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- David Fletcher examines the Marmon-Herrington Mk IV, an armoured car produced by South Africa and used by the British, among others, during the Second World War.
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David Fletcher is to military vehicles what David Attenborough is to the natural world.
Now that would be a fun crossover XD
Except DF is not obsessed with the mating behaviour of armour!
@@gusgone4527 ...are you sure though????
@@catlee8064 Perish the thought.
Sounds pleasant, but doesn't really tell you very much as he waffles on and on, repeating himself?
"At 50 miles an hour is was quite lethal" 🤣🤣
Mr Fletcher is a gem.
@Finished Finnish I can imagine for everyone inside and everyone in front of it.
@Finished Finnish no seatbelts and what looks like a lack of hand holds haha
Get the kettle on. Tank Chat inbound.
A Marmon Herrington " serving" as gate guard was the first thing greeted me when I was drafted in the Greek army, 😍 a very interesting vehicle that I think it falls in the same gategory as cascavel since many of it's mechanical components was interchangeable with things that can be found in civilian market,( Cypriots during operation Attila did a lot of repairs at civilian shops using spare parts available at the spot) it's not a coincidence that they lasted until the mid 80s ( I think Cyprus retired their own in 1986) and that was more or less replaced by the cascavels
Very cool. Thanks for sharing a personal story.
Yeah, and we Brazilians wanted to also put an upgraded armoured car, the EE-18 sucuri II, but we couldn't, would have been an good vehicle competing with the early centauro.
They used to have a squadron of these at the Helicon airport in Athens and they had a bunch of them at the Greek parachute unit that was outside of pyrese over where they used to have the US 558 field artillery headquarters we used to borrow them from the group Commander and drive them into town very good little vehicles
@@kerrydennison7947 we used also to have armored cars in prisons parking spots painted dark blue
You know just in case the inmates had any stupid ideas 😁
Marmon- Herrington was the successor to the Marmon Motor Car Company, whose Marmon Wasp was the automobile which won the first Indianapolis 500 in 1911.
As an NCO in the Greek army back in 2000 i had 2 Marmon gate guards "charged" in my name.... as if anyone could steal them. I could hardly fit inside because of the huge steering wheel an my head stuck out like a radar. Nobody then could give me any information on them. Thank you Mr Fletcher for this chat.
Αυλώνα ; 😉 by the way there are cases of " gate guards" being stolen or reused in Eastern Europe and North Africa, although OK if we end up like Syria or Libya I bet that would be the least of our worries 😏
@@Pavlos_Charalambous φιλακιο ψαλιδι ροδος πεζικο. I can assure you those poor Marmons would need a huge recovery operation just to get them on a flatbed truck and yes if someone was to go to such extent to steal them.... then something went so wrong
My late granddad used one of these in the desert. Where he, allegedly, single-handedly beat Rommel.....
I WAS THERE, IT WAS STUNNING
What did your granddad do after elevensis? Just wondering . . .
My great grandad was out in desert and drove Marks I, II and possibly Mark III he was in Kings Dragoon Guards he got wounded in Tunisina and then went to Italy in December 1943 and went back to horses.
🤣
David Fletcher: Both Knowledgeable and infinity based.
This is the most British-sounding-named machine since the Royal Einfeld!
Oh, another vehicle from the Chietain's favorite tank supplier!
Everything made by the South Africans is insanely weird and I love it
This... Thing.. Is no exception
You should see the 8x8 Mark VI Prototype! (also at Bovington Tank Museum)
Fascinating to hear a chat from David again. The vehicle has a similar name to someone I was at school with many, many years ago. I can tell the difference though, my school chum didn't weigh 6½ tons.
I remember this was the armored car that was used in the movie "The God's Must Be Crazy." I wondered if they were a real design because they looked somewhat thrown together, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
When David Fletcher gives a lecture, we in the Canadian Forces community LISTEN!!!!!!
When David Fletcher gives a tank talk, anyone who knows what's right LISTENS. Canadian Forces included, certainly.
I click on these vids to see who heaps the most effusive and hyperbolic praise on the host, David Fletcher. It's usually quite a contest.
And why not? The man is a delight.
@@tomharrington1453 I agree, he is a delight....but the over-the-top attempts by posters to get upvotes is more than a bit silly.
Why they called it a Marmon-Herrington instead of a Ford? Simple: It just sounds so much more pleasant, entertaining and _British_ to say.
Marmon-Herrington. Marmon-Herrington. Marmon-Herrington!
From what I recall on other articles. The Marmon-Herrington components are what set it apart from the the earlier attempts at making an armoured car, They made it into a pretty reliable 4x4.
I agree - it sounds like the name of someone you went to school with at Eton, old boy ;-)
like some popular biscuits you eat with tea. " won't you please pass the marmon-harringtons mum ?"
I think they are also used to it, in the Greek army every pic up truck is called " Canadian" from Canadian pattern, the habit is so old that most people don't realise that they call Canadian German, Austrian, Greek and American trucks 😁
I don't think we can blame the double-barreled Brits for this one - they were certainly called Marmon-Herrington in South Africa (I used to enjoy visiting the SA War museum in Jhb and also Fort Klapperkop). That was before South African AFVs were given aggressive names like "Gatvol".
Always a good day when I get to see a new Tank Museum video, especially with David Fletcher!
Germany: If we try really hard we might manage to make 100 of these armoured cars
Britain: haha vehicle factories in the colonies go brrrrrrrrrrrr
usa; hahaha vehicle factories go; PLAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDD
@@thurin84
When will then be now?
Bomber command: Haha! German factories go swoosh!
@@dougjb7848 ????
@@thurin84
I assume we’re both quoting “Spaceballs?”
Love the museum! Love the channel!
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Good to see the burgundy cord trousers out again - an iconic pair of breeks if ever there was one.
You can see these outside a few army buildings, and a scout hall here in Cape Town South Africa. Love to see more south african vehicles here especially the Oliphant tank.
i like this armored car look so modern
What I'd give for a video all about the A30 Challenger. :(
(Yes I know there's only one left in the Netherlands)
They actually have a wrecked one at Bovington
Yeah I heard about that, I hope they can restore it some day.
The Churchill Gun Carrier too.
There was one captured in a vehicle dump (complete, not running) in Iraq in 2003. God knows what happened to it, but there were all sorts of extremely rare vehicles in that depot, especially Italian & Brit stuff
so it's got a monocoque body, making it a sports tank.
It’s got “all wheel drive”, so it’s a rally car.
@@ultrablue2 that leaves the question of whether we should have James May drive it or the Hamster.
@@kenbrown2808 Renault FT is more May's style, surely?
@@wbertie2604 perhaps, but there'a always the risk of hammond crashing.
@@kenbrown2808 : that depends on if you want it crashed or not.
Thank you again for those little details, that are hard to see but they make a difference between two vehicles 👍
Good morning Mr Fletcher Sir, I have started my day with your video and my coffee. I am now set and ready to get into. Thanks for a brilliant content and stay well in these strange times. Cheers
Thank you , Mr Fletcher .
Thats so interesting, such a great video. Thanks for your hard work and upload.
Another video by the master. Thank you.
*waits for WG to include them in WoT and have them doing 100mph with magical armour and laser guided autoloader *
They're already in war thunder
XD premium British light
Thank you for this, I did ask a few weeks ago.
Great job as usual
My great grandfather drove these out in Middle East during ww2 he was in Kings Dragoon Guards mainly Marks I and II.
Mark III were better built than I and II not sure about the Mark IV.
Maximum war effort from the Commonwealth. Great video of a great vehicle. Cheers!
great to see inside the turret :)
WOOT! David Fletcher mentioned Indianapolis!!!
I knew Allison v12's were built here, never knew Marmon Herringtons were built here.
Leaving a comment just to help out the channel.
So what is that RAF tractor trailer combo seen among examples of Marmon-Herington work?
Its freakin to awesome
I don’t know but I want it as a mobile home!
sips my tea and enjoys a bon mot or two from the tenk maestro
Better than the Marmon-Herrington CTLS tank 😉 But what I was wondering recently is there still a driving Panhard 178 today? Or are these very scarce that you never come across them?
To hear nice things said about a Marmon Harrington armored veh... ohhh, most of it was Ford. That makes sense.
So now I can take a 1985 Yugo and bolt a Mercedes-Benz hood ornament on it and call it a Mercedes thanks to this Marmon-Herrington (Ford) vehicle.
Actual Marmon-Herrington mechanicals were involved, not merely decorative items.
You can only call it a ...
Marmon-Herrington
fascinating vehicle
Oooh perkins in a SA recce vehicle operating in Cyprus, sounds like bliss.
There is a possibility that those Perkins engines had a rebuild at " marklozis" factory at Greece that was providing license built Perkins engines quite literally to the entire Truck market ( and the army) in the first post war years, also at least some of them had also Ford engines taken directly from the civilian market ( you know instead of fixing the old one just replace it with whatever is available on the spot 😉)
@@Pavlos_Charalambous that's interesting thank you.
I think the original ford v8 flathead only went out of production in France in the 70's so I don't doubt there were easier cheaper ways of keeping them going but Perkins is obviously a very sensible upgrade.
They even made an eight wheeled armoured car somewhat similar to the German Puma (SdKfz 234/2) but unfortunately it never went into production.
I thought they did go into service but I was wrong - copy n paste from military.wikia.com:
South African Heavy Armoured Car Mark V (1942)
The Mark V was of four 8-wheeled designs[6] built as a response to reports of the German 8-wheeled armoured cars (Schwerer Panzerspähwagen). . Power was from two Albion 6-cylinder engines driving only the two middle axles. The prototype had poor performance in desert conditions and was rebuilt with both engines at the rear. Although well-armoured it was heavy at 16 tons and performance still lacked so the project was stopped. A very large vehicle armed with the QF 6 pounder gun and armoured side skirts; only the one prototype was built.[5]
Mk VI (1943)
The Mark VI was a return to the 8-wheeled design. Powered by two Mercury V8 engines with a eight-wheel drive steered on the front and rear wheels. Two prototypes were built, one with a 2 pounder and other with a 6 pounder gun in an open-topped three-man turret with electric powered traverse and protected by 10 to 30 mm of sloped armour. Additional armament consisted of 2 or 3 machine guns. The two-pounder equipped version was sent to the UK for assessment, the transmission proved unreliable suffering several axle failures.[7] The 2-pdr is now in the Bovington Tank Museum, the other in South Africa.
@@Simon_Nonymous thanks for that , information on a rarity such as that can sometimes be hard to find, saw a picture in the MacKenzie/Bachelor book Tank, had the book about forty five years, the other M,H product was little more than an armoured car, better than nothing, probably, there were quite a few others that didn't get a lot of public airing, the Morris recce car for one, making a model of it at the moment, it was small to say the least, its a shame the eight wheeler was not more successful, with a QF six pounder it would have been a match for the German puma,
YAY! Another video!
Strange thing to see this vehicles served his time during the Battle of Malaya, 1942 in Johore. Can't stop any of the Japanese tank column anyways.
Great video David. Please can you do a video on the Staghound ASAP please. Thank you .
Every time I see an armored car I think hey I could actually drive that on the road probably!
In the U.K. you can.
Just GOOD.
Interesting vehicle.
I remember these as the armored cars from The Gods Must Be Crazy
Does the museum have a copy of the Marmon-Herrington Mk1/2/3 armed with the Vickers MG which started service in East Africa with the UDF?
A single .30 cal Browning for AA defense. Ahhh, how adorable! Like a little tiger cub; harmless but makes noise and looks mean.
Marmon-Herrington carried on building trucks until 1963, at which point they re-structured into Marmon Trucks, which went out of business in 1997.
Sometimes naming can be pretty complicated. Just ask the German Tank Museum about the "Hetzer" 😄
It's really not that complicated. Hetzer is a modern nickname for the Jagdpanzer 38t.
I actually live in Indianapolis and had no idea this was a thing while being a huge ww2 nut! Lil ol indy haha
Next up the Smiths Armoured Car, so named because Smiths made the speedometer...
The speedo or the heater? Maybe both
Looked for a minute like the MKIVF was marked up for service in the army of the People's Republic of Cornwall
That'd complicate G7 :)
Popular Front or Peoples Front?
'I don't know how they shut them up'
I suspect when the lead started flying they had no problems at all.
When Carol Shelby finished they were no longer referred to as just Ford Mustangs but as Shelby Mustangs. I think the Shelby company actually purchased the cars before modifying them. I wonder if the same thing happened with this vehicle? Ford built them, maybe even with a front axle and steering and MH bought them to install the 4wd front axles?
In the early days, yes, Shelby purchased cars from dealers and modified for individual clients, and badged them as “Shelby Mustang.”
After Shelby-modified vehicles began winning important races, Ford established a more direct relationship between its design, development and engineering groups and Shelby, and the Shelby company itself became a licensed auto mfr and the resulting vehicles were badged as e.g “Shelby GT350.”
Today a Shelby GT350 starts as a very specifically configured Mustang, produced at a Ford factory and shipped directly to Shelby to “make it a Shelby.”
From what I recall from other articles, The Marmon-Herrington parts gave it the mobility it needed in its role. I
@@ptonpc back then the only way to get a four wheel drive from the automakers was to have it done by an aftermarket company. Pre WW2 American trucks that were 4wd back then now today are bloody made from unobtanium and priced accordingly.
Look up the price of a Power Wagon by Dodge or the Canadian version called Fargo If I remember correctly. They are super car priced!
I bet that Ford didn't have a front drive system and if they did it wasn't designed to handle that kind of weight. The rear was since it was a truck designed to haul loads and pull trailers but not a 4wd front axle.
Wow are we really up to 129 tank chats.
So watchable.
What purpose is served by the nine "fixtures" on the side of the hull?
Are they attachment points for miscellaneous gear to be hung on? Mounting brackets for additional armor?
Connection points for the poles of a camouflage awning when the vehicle is at an encampment?
A mix of all of these things or something I haven't thought of?
If it was addressed in the dialogue, I somehow have missed the explanation despite two viewings.
Very late but in case anyone cares.. they're attachments for pioneer tools. So things like picks, sledgehammers, pry bars etc.
All things that are useful for fixing the vehicle or setting up 'camp' but don't fit inside.
@@frostedbutts4340 As the old saying goes: better late than never.
Thank you, I hadn't considered the pioneering tools but should have since I included camouflage netting as an option. ;-)
Imagine being stuck in one of these caskets and having to go fight against panzer 3s or pkfws, too much respect to those warriors.
Score got a forgotten weapons too
Marmon Herrington made mostly farm equipment and tractors for the civilian market, also mining equipment.
They made a lot of after market 4wd axles and gearboxes. I've only seen Ford and Studebaker.
It's almost like an early tank destroyer
That sounds like a spread you would apply to your biscuit ration.
Marmite herringpone?
50 doesn’t sound mad. They were driving motorscrapers round at 50mph in the fifties. Not the perkins version though, that would be 35 :o)
My favorite part is when he barfs then swallows it. 1:19
I need that for a daily driver.
David Fletcher will you be my adopted grandfather and move to Canada? We have a nice little war museum you would like.
Can somebody explain how a muzzle brake on a 17 pounder was installed? (or in general how muzzle brakes were mounted onto cannons via riveting, welding etc.) thank you
Generally the outside surface of the muzzle was threaded and the brake screwed on.
You can’t weld or rivet the muzzle of a gun without ruining the true of the barrel and the rifling (if it is a rifled gun)
@@dougjb7848 thank you
It's amazing to see this beautiful armoured car, it's just sad to see a South African armoured car in Arab Legion colours. South Africa and Rhodesia built world class armoured cars with very limited resources over a period of nearly 50 years culminating in legendary vehicles like the Rooikat and Ratel.
Caspirs,Buffels,Rhinos, Rhino G6's,Mamba the list goes on.And that's just the vehicles never mind air defence, weapons,medical etc.
Sad? Why sad?
@@gregoryemmanuel9168 Because the Arab Legion(or the other commonwealth users for that matter) did not build it. South Africans built it, and along with those armoured cars the South Africans sent thousands of men to fight and die for the English who had committed a massive genocide against them a mere 40 years before. As part of the common wealth one would think the English would at least want to acknowledge the vehicle's builders who were also instrumental in securing victory in North Africa during WW2.
@@Julia-fc4mp Exactly.
@@tim_14777 while I agree with you about the markings the correct term would be British.
I've always found it ironic that something built on a truck's chassis would end up being called an "armored car."
Well, truck's a car, slap on some armor - boom, armored car. :D
bring us more of the short round one you call DAVE... we desire all his knowledge.. give its to us's
Fletcher rulz
I'm a simple man, i see the mustache, and i click
Oh, what a wonderful summation of a political and military folly... "The Cypriot trouble"
Angry Nerd Gaming has recommended watching this video because they're playing this AFV in War Thunder❤ 8:56
Marmon-Herrington IV, or "How to Irritate People" should be a proper Name for the Video.
What are all the things on the side?
THESE WOULD SELL LIKE HOTCAKES IN CHICAGO AND DETROIT
With their "defund the police", i think not
I can kind of see it. Ford made the engine transmission and driveshafts.
Then Marmon-Herrington attached those components to an armoured unibody.
I wouldn't call it a Ford either at that point.
Now I think on it, Marmon-Harrington would be the corporation,the final supplier who ordered up the components they themselves did not make,M-H would be the organization the British government dealt with to supply these items.
And the designers. Just as Browning machine guns in British service,no ? So whether designer or manufacturer, making reference to a particular product,it would be referenced by the contracted organization. Or it seems the logical way to keep the item referred to clear.
Do you have the mk1, 2 or 3?
A unibody armored car!
Where and Who manufactured these Armoured Cars in South Africa ???
The Marmite Herringbone?
Love it or hate it - there is no middle ground.
How to confuse the enemy - call it a Marmon-Herrington even if it isn't!
For a moment, I was afraid Marmon-Harrington had managed to dump some of it's terrible tanks on the brits... their crews had enough horrible materiel to deal with.
What was that anti tank type of vehicle next to the type f on the very first image?
At 5:41? = Italian flamethrower tankette.
@@AtheistOrphan i have no idea😅
@@AtheistOrphan found it, it is what you said: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3/33
Purpose of this vehicle is to be lethal..🤣🤣
George!
George was a mighty old Ferret, not a marmon-herrtington...
I'm sure they chose Marmon-Harrington due to decades of reading Beatrix Potter stories?
Damn, how many armoured car the British will get in war thunder ..
Already in there
Much like a unibody car then.
Thx, Sir David, good explanation (again !!!!) ! Ahhh, well how you paint tnis vehicle might be a political issue, I think............?
What are those clippy things on the sides ?
Clips.
Clips for tools etc...
"Comment" I liked and placed a comment. Hope that helps because, that is just about all I can do.
Marmon-Harrington made4x
They made four wheel drive conversions for a lot of lorries here in the US. Ford, GM, Chrysler,
International Harvester, and quite a few others.
50 miles a/h sounds to me as a McLaren Tank .