Thank you! As a watercolor beginner I've been dutifully making color charts with the 2 single paints carefully premixed on a palette for even coverage. I loved watching you dip + add/ dip-change the options within a square. Wonderful variations that bring additional life to a color chart. A new doorway has opened. Thanks Teoh,
Your comparison is perfectly timed for me! I have French Ultramarine and last night I was wondering about adding Ultramarine Blue to my palette. Very helpful!
Thank you sooooo much for this. I'd love to see more comparisons of paints that seem extremely similar. It is frustrating to see/read misleading statements from the makers. I'd be soooo much happier if they just stated something like "Ultramarine blue is almost identical to french ultramarine blue, except it has heavy granulation". From the computer, it looks like UB is slightly brighter or more vibrant but it is sooooo close. It is definitely not a warm vs cold difference at all. Anyway, thanks again Teoh, this was so useful! (although I can't seem to find Daniel Smith paints in Japan, and I cant seem to get them sent here to me, so it kind of a mute point. Annoying though, I really want to try the primatek range).
Because of the lack of difference I actually like the W&N ultramarine which is what I consider the red tone that I have sitting next to my DS FUltramarine in my palette. Having those two changed up my mixing capabilities for the better. I also keep phthalo blue red shade and green shade in my palette for a transparent staining blue for when I need that. Really nice comparison! Hope you are doing well, take care!
I already had a tube of DS French Ultra Marine (5 ml), but was curious about the color differences myself. A week ago I went onto Amazon and found the 15ml tube of the plain DS Ultra Marine was only 10 cents more so, of course, I bought that 15 ml tube quickly. I find there is little difference between the two colors, but the plain UM is a little cooler, imo.
I love watching you mix the paints on your paper and the variations you get in your colors. I enjoy that technique too very much. Also, Teoh, a damp Mr. Clean magic eraser will get watercolor stains off of plastic beautifully.
Teoh, thank you so much for this comparison. I agree, other than granulation there is very little difference. I created two palettes one with each color based on your palette and Jane Blundell's palette . I'm happy with either color, although I also like Winsor Newton's ultramarine blue.
So important! Thanks for this. It confirms many things I’ve suspected! So many professionals are devoted to one or the other- but it seems a bit like the Emperor’s New Clothes! Well done, Thankyou.
Reminded I bought a tube of Winsor & Newton French Ultramarine recently but I didn't see a Ultramarine Blue color from that line at the store. Nice to know there's not much difference anyway.
The difference is that French Ultramarine has Pthalo blue pigment added. That's what I have noticed on the pigment info on brands that I have checked. The granulation difference that we see is that Ultramarine pigment granulates while Pthalo blue pigment does not.
When I watch instructional videos and the artist lists ultramarine blue as one of the colors, I just substitute French Ultramarine because that is what I have. When I got my first set of paints from Daniel Smith, it was a set called Susie Short's Essential 7 and French Ultramarine was part of that set.
Great review as always you give really helpful advice when it comes to choosing what paints you should purchase! Thank you Teoh.... looking forward to your next video! :)
Teoh Yi Chie You're very welcome Teoh,.... I always watch your videos so I can learn more and become better at drawing. Thank you again,... I will watch out for your next video! :)
Thanks for doing this comparison. I've always used DS Ultramarine Blue but wondered if I was missing something. Looks like not much difference. Some of the mixtures look a bit more intense with UB.
I think you were pretty spot on with that comparison. On your second sheet I could see a slight red shift on my screen for the French ultra marine but not much. The granulation difference was very apparent though. Could this be more to do with the particulate size of the pigment - how long it's been milled I wonder.
This is very brand specific, Teoh. For example, French Ultramarine by Winsor and Newton can give much more pronounced granulation and sedimentation effect than, say, Ultramarine Blue (also Green Shade) from Da Vinci.
How very strange. I had always thought French Ultramarine would granulate more and was slightly warmer. But here you are finding more granulation in Ultramarine. I get French Ultramarine in WN paints for the granulation. But I haven't tested their Ultramarine to see the difference. Schminke does an Ultramarine version that doesn't granulate at all, if anyone's looking for one. I know a botanical artist who uses it. I think it's called Ultramarine Fine or Finest and they grind the pigment very small. Thanks for the video - Xina
Are both pigments synthetic, or is it just the french ultramarine that is? in that case, french ultramarine paints should probably be cheaper to produce.
Since it's always recommended to have 1 cool and 1 warm of each color....what two from each (ROY G BIV rainbow-palette) would you say would make the most colors? Maybe you can do a future video with this explanation? Thanks, Teoh! 🤗 🎨 🖌
If you want to have a versatile palette that can mix any many colours as possible, just have many sets of primary colours in it. E.g. Have 3 yellows, 3 reds and 3 blues. Colours like green, violet, purple, orange are just convenient colours that you can mix yourself, but they save you time from having to mix them.
Thanks! So that takes care of the primaries and all the lovely colors in between. But how should we pick and choose the duller colors? (browns, siennas, grays tints like paynes vs tint? etc... Again, I'd like to make it limited for travel. lol
+Sylvia Catalano Burnt Sienna is a useful colour. You can mix with Ultramarine to get grays so there is no need to include grays in your palette. If you use a lot of green, it is convenient to have some greens in your palette. Another colour I use a lot is Yellow Ochre for mixing skin tones. You might also want to check out Raw Sienna. For mute grays, you can just mix three primary colours together. I'm not very familiar with grays or tints from tubes as I seldom use them.
Thanks, Teoh. I just watched your scary mold videos. Yikes! I sure hope the desicant dry-packs have helped keep your paints from getting moldy. I would've just thrown away the entire inside part. And hand washed with hot water & dishsoap the entire inner & out part. I'd think you'd have to eradicate that stuff like the plague or ebola! lol Thanks again for your help, T! :)
Another thing about selecting colours for your palette. The convenient colours you select, e.g. greens, should be one that can be mixed with existing primary colours in your palette. It will be easier to achieve colour harmony.
French ultramarine is slightly warmer and has red undertone. You can see it better on the second chart. I like the French ultramarine color and granulation from ultramarine blue. I've came here to compare these two and decide which one to buy but now I'm even less sure xddd
Dear tiochi, if I want to make terquoise colour in water colour at home how to make. Because I must know how many of each colour is required to make terquoise blue. Thanks rims1
You can use Phthalo Blue with a bit of green. www.wikihow.com/Mix-Colors-to-Get-Turquoise
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Teoh, a great video. Ultramarine is my favourite colour. Watching the French Open 2017 I see Nadal wearing Paramount Blue. I recently painted a door in ultramarine (Little Greene) and it seems to my eye that paramount blue is a very similar colour. Are my eyes deceiving me? What do you think?
I thought the ultramarine looked cooler than FUM in the 2nd color chart.. But that could be because i just heard you say that's what daniel smith says 😄
+Amy Huang Daler Rowney Aquafine, student paper. I use this paper for practice and also UA-cam demo because it's cheap. But it's not that durable compared to more expensive paper of course.
They are both biased cool (on my opinion) or indigo/violet/purple/ cool red biased, instead of turquoise/Teal/green/ cool yellow biased (warm on my opinion)
Thank you! As a watercolor beginner I've been dutifully making color charts with the 2 single paints carefully premixed on a palette for even coverage. I loved watching you dip + add/ dip-change the options within a square. Wonderful variations that bring additional life to a color chart. A new doorway has opened. Thanks Teoh,
+kula89511 THanks :-)
Your comparison is perfectly timed for me! I have French Ultramarine and last night I was wondering about adding Ultramarine Blue to my palette. Very helpful!
+Debbie Riley Thanks 😀
Thank you sooooo much for this. I'd love to see more comparisons of paints that seem extremely similar. It is frustrating to see/read misleading statements from the makers. I'd be soooo much happier if they just stated something like "Ultramarine blue is almost identical to french ultramarine blue, except it has heavy granulation". From the computer, it looks like UB is slightly brighter or more vibrant but it is sooooo close. It is definitely not a warm vs cold difference at all. Anyway, thanks again Teoh, this was so useful! (although I can't seem to find Daniel Smith paints in Japan, and I cant seem to get them sent here to me, so it kind of a mute point. Annoying though, I really want to try the primatek range).
onyana I am a bit late on the correction, but the expression is moot point. Not mute.
Thank you for this comparison! It's really helpful since the colors are so similar and even made from the same pigment .
Yeah, I wonder why they sell both.
I have always wondered what the difference was...now I know! Thanks for doing this comparison and sharing! Looking forward to your next one!
+nknana3 Thanks \ (•◡•) /
Because of the lack of difference I actually like the W&N ultramarine which is what I consider the red tone that I have sitting next to my DS FUltramarine in my palette. Having those two changed up my mixing capabilities for the better. I also keep phthalo blue red shade and green shade in my palette for a transparent staining blue for when I need that. Really nice comparison! Hope you are doing well, take care!
+Erin S. Thanks. I like WN French Ultramarine a lot too. :-)
thank you for your video, it helps to have an experienced painter make these observations.
I really appreciate these color mixing/comparison vids. Thanks!
+Marisa Hernandez Thank you ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
I already had a tube of DS French Ultra Marine (5 ml), but was curious about the color differences myself. A week ago I went onto Amazon and found the 15ml tube of the plain DS Ultra Marine was only 10 cents more so, of course, I bought that 15 ml tube quickly. I find there is little difference between the two colors, but the plain UM is a little cooler, imo.
I love watching you mix the paints on your paper and the variations you get in your colors. I enjoy that technique too very much. Also, Teoh, a damp Mr. Clean magic eraser will get watercolor stains off of plastic beautifully.
+Lori Jones Oh. Looks like I have to make a Mr Clean vs Phthalo Blue video. 😂
@@teohyc Waiting 7 years now for this one :D
Teoh, thank you so much for this comparison. I agree, other than granulation there is very little difference. I created two palettes one with each color based on your palette and Jane Blundell's palette . I'm happy with either color, although I also like Winsor Newton's ultramarine blue.
So important! Thanks for this. It confirms many things I’ve suspected! So many professionals are devoted to one or the other- but it seems a bit like the Emperor’s New Clothes! Well done, Thankyou.
Reminded I bought a tube of Winsor & Newton French Ultramarine recently but I didn't see a Ultramarine Blue color from that line at the store. Nice to know there's not much difference anyway.
The difference is that French Ultramarine has Pthalo blue pigment added. That's what I have noticed on the pigment info on brands that I have checked. The granulation difference that we see is that Ultramarine pigment granulates while Pthalo blue pigment does not.
When I watch instructional videos and the artist lists ultramarine blue as one of the colors, I just substitute French Ultramarine because that is what I have. When I got my first set of paints from Daniel Smith, it was a set called Susie Short's Essential 7 and French Ultramarine was part of that set.
In other brands there are distinct differences but in DS they are virtually the same.
I have the W&N cups, but no difference there either...
Thank you so much for the video, it answered my questions about the different blues. Good job
As always, very interesting comparison! Thank you for doing this!
+Karin Hedenvind Thanks 😁
Great review as always you give really helpful advice when it comes to choosing what paints you should purchase! Thank you Teoh.... looking forward to your next video! :)
+AllyKatPerth Thanks 😀
Teoh Yi Chie You're very welcome Teoh,.... I always watch your videos so I can learn more and become better at drawing. Thank you again,... I will watch out for your next video! :)
Thanks for doing this comparison. I've always used DS Ultramarine Blue but wondered if I was missing something. Looks like not much difference. Some of the mixtures look a bit more intense with UB.
is acrylic Marian blue paint is it the same as ultramarine blue
I think you were pretty spot on with that comparison. On your second sheet I could see a slight red shift on my screen for the French ultra marine but not much. The granulation difference was very apparent though. Could this be more to do with the particulate size of the pigment - how long it's been milled I wonder.
+Peter Sobocki I am not sure how they are made. There are also different granulation across different brand.
Thank you very much. . I've always wondered about the difference. .. I liked the ultramarine because it looked more dynamic for skies.
+BIOnerd93 Not too much difference 😂
+Teoh Yi Chie haha yes I know but I could still pick it up on the video maybe not so in reality... I'm watching your Daniel Smith wc review 😊😊
This is very brand specific, Teoh. For example, French Ultramarine by Winsor and Newton can give much more pronounced granulation and sedimentation effect than, say, Ultramarine Blue (also Green Shade) from Da Vinci.
+LTalks Oh yes. I actually prefer Winsor Newton's French Ultramarine over Daniel Smith's.
What would be a usable non-granulating alternative to DS Ultramarine Blue? Perhaps DS Phtalo Blue Red Shade or Indanthrone Blue?
They both are good alternatives
Thank you for doing this video. It was really helpful! I've always asked myself if there was a big difference in these two colors or not.
+Liesa Luise Thanks. I think different brands may also look different
How very strange. I had always thought French Ultramarine would granulate more and was slightly warmer. But here you are finding more granulation in Ultramarine. I get French Ultramarine in WN paints for the granulation. But I haven't tested their Ultramarine to see the difference. Schminke does an Ultramarine version that doesn't granulate at all, if anyone's looking for one. I know a botanical artist who uses it. I think it's called Ultramarine Fine or Finest and they grind the pigment very small. Thanks for the video - Xina
love this comparison series ! great videos , thanks for sharing :-)
Thanks (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
Thank you very much for the great information. By the way, did you try Mr. Clean Magic Eraser to clean your palette?
Are both pigments synthetic, or is it just the french ultramarine that is? in that case, french ultramarine paints should probably be cheaper to produce.
Since it's always recommended to have 1 cool and 1 warm of each color....what two from each (ROY G BIV rainbow-palette) would you say would make the most colors? Maybe you can do a future video with this explanation? Thanks, Teoh! 🤗 🎨 🖌
If you want to have a versatile palette that can mix any many colours as possible, just have many sets of primary colours in it. E.g. Have 3 yellows, 3 reds and 3 blues. Colours like green, violet, purple, orange are just convenient colours that you can mix yourself, but they save you time from having to mix them.
Thanks! So that takes care of the primaries and all the lovely colors in between. But how should we pick and choose the duller colors? (browns, siennas, grays tints like paynes vs tint? etc... Again, I'd like to make it limited for travel. lol
+Sylvia Catalano Burnt Sienna is a useful colour. You can mix with Ultramarine to get grays so there is no need to include grays in your palette. If you use a lot of green, it is convenient to have some greens in your palette. Another colour I use a lot is Yellow Ochre for mixing skin tones. You might also want to check out Raw Sienna. For mute grays, you can just mix three primary colours together. I'm not very familiar with grays or tints from tubes as I seldom use them.
Thanks, Teoh. I just watched your scary mold videos. Yikes! I sure hope the desicant dry-packs have helped keep your paints from getting moldy. I would've just thrown away the entire inside part. And hand washed with hot water & dishsoap the entire inner & out part. I'd think you'd have to eradicate that stuff like the plague or ebola! lol Thanks again for your help, T! :)
Another thing about selecting colours for your palette. The convenient colours you select, e.g. greens, should be one that can be mixed with existing primary colours in your palette. It will be easier to achieve colour harmony.
Thank you for this video! I am just about to purchase one of these blues :-)
French ultramarine is slightly warmer and has red undertone. You can see it better on the second chart. I like the French ultramarine color and granulation from ultramarine blue. I've came here to compare these two and decide which one to buy but now I'm even less sure xddd
Dear tiochi, if I want to make terquoise colour in water colour at home how to make. Because I must know how many of each colour is required to make terquoise blue. Thanks rims1
You can use Phthalo Blue with a bit of green.
www.wikihow.com/Mix-Colors-to-Get-Turquoise
Teoh, a great video. Ultramarine is my favourite colour. Watching the French Open 2017 I see Nadal wearing Paramount Blue. I recently painted a door in ultramarine (Little Greene) and it seems to my eye that paramount blue is a very similar colour. Are my eyes deceiving me? What do you think?
+pat comerford It's like Ultramarine violet. 😂
That’s why Daniel Smith uses French ultramarine blue for the violet blue instead of ultramarine blue, I still like it as my cool blue (on my opinion)
Thanks for this video!
Great review and comparison!
+corikay Thanks :-)
Thank you for the info 😊
I thought the ultramarine looked cooler than FUM in the 2nd color chart.. But that could be because i just heard you say that's what daniel smith says 😄
Great comparison. I'm using french ultramarine in my palette.
What kind of paper do you use? It looks so nice to work on!
That's Daler Rowney Aquafine. Affordable watercolour paper I usually use for such demos.
Hey Teoh I was just wondering what kind of scanner you used.
+zamted I use Canon Lide 220 www.parkablogs.com/content/review-canon-lide-220-scanner
Okay thank you so much!
cobalt blue for sky?
Sure, why not?
Thank you for the comparison. It was really helpful :)
+firecloud Thanks ♪~ ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ
Thanks! I always wondered about this.
french ultramarine is also one price series higher. I can tell a difference since the french version is warmer, but not so much in the mixes
but that is supposed to be the synthetic one...
Great review !
+Hubert le Gypster Thank you :-D
The difference is that one talks with an accent
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Really good info!
Usefull video. As always.
This explains the difference: ua-cam.com/video/EMWR1r5-z64/v-deo.htmlm24s
Daniel Smith Watercolours with John Cogley
What paper are you using?
+Amy Huang Daler Rowney Aquafine, student paper. I use this paper for practice and also UA-cam demo because it's cheap. But it's not that durable compared to more expensive paper of course.
Thanks for this!
I do not know, but I can see the French ultramarine is a little more violet than normal ultramarine.
I guess, I'll pick up some W&N french Ult B now.. cause DS, isn't doing it for me. thanx!
+Suzala Suzala Different brands perform differently too. I like WN French Ultramarine as well.
Thank you :-) Good vidéo !
French Ultramarine Blue appears SLIGHTLY warmer.
not so much difference here too! I started using ultramarine blue which is slightly cheaper than the French Ultramarine
The UB looks a little more intense/punchier than the FUB from my computer screen. The FUB looks almost muddy.
They are both biased cool (on my opinion) or indigo/violet/purple/ cool red biased, instead of turquoise/Teal/green/ cool yellow biased (warm on my opinion)
French ultra marine is definitely softer
How to make turquoise blue with only white and yellow
+Rupali Malhotra Just get a tube of turquoise blue instead