CRF300 Stage 4 Final Setup
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2024
- After weeks of testing, I settle on a great gearing setup for the 550 Performance CRF300 301cc Stage 4 mods.
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See my other videos for the full modification journey I have taken.
15t front sprocket: www.yuminashi.eu/15t-520-pitch-jt-pro-series-front-sprocket-cb300f-cbr250-cbr300-crf250-cbf250-xr250/
or www.ebay.com/itm/203754321439
So right away in this you address one of my biggest questions, one of the time on the highway w/ other folks. The 6th gear
and someone said a 15tooth gear would give you all you need for the roads(70mph). I estimate now that I'll be an 80% - 20%
rider of the roads, then trails? So the extra weight of the Rally along w/ proper suspension/tires, ect ect is the way to go.
But you've done a whole grocery list from levels 1-3 >> > It just lets me know what IS possible. "Priceless" Nah, but at
least I know. I love the linear approach. visualizing it for us ! peace
the detail your providing the 300 community is invaluable. Thank you! Will continue to watch your progression with this kit. Very intrested in the future reliability of the engine.
Thanks mate, I will keep the videos coming 👍
100 mph Rally! I would love to see that. You really found the sweet spot, Sean!
Very impressive result Sean . Great Video mate
Thanks, glad you liked it and hope you found it just a little helpful.
Very interesting Shonky, I have wached you from day one and really enjoy your show
Thanks mate. I really enjoy the journey of modification with this bike. I think we're pretty much done now... just ride and enjoy!
That is amazing how much grunt the bike has now, given it's only 301cc. Love your testing process; it's the way I used to do too; one thing at a time. Great video.
Thanks Gary, I feel this gearing really compliments the power and power delivery of the 301cc Stage 4 mods.
That looks like it's the ticket for the riding you enjoy. Sure seems to perform well. Good stuff. Loving the content Shonky 🙂
Thanks mate, it definitely suits my style of riding, but the amazing thing is... It's so easy to ride and the power delivery is so smooth and linear, that anyone can use and enjoy it.
Absolutely brilliant mate, I can see Honda Aus/Japan will be knocking on your front door asking for you to join them. 👍🏻
Haha... I wish! I would like to do the Sunraysia Safari again this year, if I can find the money for the entry fee 🤔
Great video. The Rally sure livened up with that 15t front sprocket. Obviously the gearing change suited the gearbox ratios better. Definitely worth the experimentation.
The engine sure sounded better to me anyway. Well done. 👍🇦🇺
Thanks. Yes, I think this 15/40 is the best for the Stage 4 power and power delivery.
I really like your videos mate! Interesting and fun. Would be fun to see a video where you breakdown the total cost and what you done with the engine setup, and also see the whole bikes setup. Keep it up man 👍
Thanks mate. I have been meaning to do a video like that.. maybe I'll get a chance soon.
Because then we get a good picture on what to compare towards other popular models like exc 500 etc.
Great job
Ktm 690 enduro seems like the perfect bike to ride on the road to the trail thats still around the same weight as the 300 with double the power.
While on paper that appears true... in reality the 690 has a close ratio gearbox that is not as versatile as the CRF gearbox with overdrive 6th gear. The 690 is similar weight, but a lot more top heavy and harder to handle in slow, technical sections. It does have double the power and needs more fuel to cover the same distances. My CRF used 21L of fuel crossing the Simpson Desert. Less fuel needed = less weight.
How do I know all this? I have friends with 690's and know the lengths they have gone to to make their bikes as versatile as my CRF Rally is. I have ridden 690's in slow, technical off-road sections and I much prefer the CRF Rally.
I think you’ve nailed it 👊👊
Thanks mate, me too 💪
@@ShonkyProductions I have to say I’m surprised but you don’t even use 1st in technical stuff. I also went up a tooth on the front on my Beta 390RR to cope with Road sections between our pathetic amount of legal lanes. Thankfully I don’t need to worry about where the power is on the 390, it pulls like a train right off the bottom 👊👊
@@TrippyandDa 2nd gear is much easier to modulate power on technical and slippery/loose surfaces. It's easier to control wheel spin and unwanted wheelies when climbing steep hills.
Off road, and especially when riding my enduro bike, first gear is only used for pivot turns.
Give 2nd gear a go yourself and see if you find it easier and smoother.
@@ShonkyProductions agreed I hardly use 1st but I see people doing hard enduro going 13 or even 12.
That final evolution sounds very snappy in the low and still beefy at a higher pace with a good exhuast note to boot
Yes, I am very happy with the power all the way through the rev range now... and I love the way it sounds when revving!
i switched to 15/39 my speedo is now right on with gps where it was 8-10k off before. comfortably cruise on highway now at 110kph 6800 rpm maybe 6900 rpm as for off road i dont do hills , just do gravel roads and 2 tracks easy single.
Sounds like you have a great setup too.
What have you doing tuning wise?
@@no66 550 Performance ECU
www.550performance.com/products/my21-ecu-tuning-honda-crf-300-l?variant=44027457831159
@@ShonkyProductions I meant the guy above 🙂
Thank you for taking all the guesses work out of the upgrades. I really appreciate you and your co tent.
What size chain do you need with this set up, stock or bigger?
My pleasure. I enjoy the development and sharing my journey. I am using the stock (106 links I think) chain. I probably could add another 2 links and pull the wheel back slightly... but I like the wheelies too much as it is 😅
Wow you have gone to a lot of trouble! I am keen to run the 15 tooth front on mine just with standard output.
I ran a 15t back when I had it standard and with Stage 1.5. I liked it but it struggled in 6th gear in hills or headwinds.
The way I gear my bikes is to change the gearing until the peak horsepower rpm occurs at the same time I reach my absolute fastest top speed possible on level ground.
Nice series of videos, really enjoyed watching them. Im going to get the stage 3 for my 300L, i don’t have much use for the top end since i live in Norway. What gearing would you recommend for the stage 3?
Good choice. I liked 14/38 or 14/39. 14/30 should give you an accurate speedo.
time to throw a cbr300 clutch in….you will be glad you did
No issues yet with the stock clutch. If anything I would upgrade to the new Recluse Torq Drive clutch as it retains the slipper/assist clutch basket to keep the light clutch feel and added lock up pressure.
nice video. did 15x40 set up require longer chain than stock? or just needed adjustment
You can run 15/40 with the stock chain, it will just move the rear wheel forward as I showed in the video.
Hmmm that does look like fun! I am still wondering if i will do a stage 3 for my L. A lot of the stuff I like to ride is tight slower speed single track anf then a few moto camping thrown in. Worst case scenario I buy a set of sport cams and retune the ECU later!
I say try the Stage 3, you will love it.
@@ShonkyProductions what was your preferred gearing for tight stuff with the stage 3?
Hi Sean, would you also recommend the 15-41 gearing for a bike with the stage 1.5 set up and the d606 12/90-18? I saw an earlier vid where you liked the 14-41 gearing prior to the stage 4 installation.
As with many of us in oz, my riding is usually decent length highway stretches before hitting the trails. I am more of an adventure rider than an enduro. I like to be able to sit in 6th and feel safe on the highway.
It's a cheap experiment to see if it will work for you. You may find that in 6th it lacks the torque to pull over 100-110kph, especially uphill, into headwinds or with luggage.
Wow! totally different motorcycle eh? And I was thinking that Honda would produce my perfect unicorn bike if it were one with at least a new 400-450cc engine, but from what you have demonstrated here, it appears that it would only need to be a 350cc. Possibly uncorked, remapped and all that business, I’m sure. But in stock form, it seems we’re just slightly short of the perfect bike, in my opinion. I will definitely be considering this build in the future. It’s been so nice watching you do all the testing and fine tuning for us. I believe that I would still be satisfied with the stage 3 to be honest. But this does look tempting. I hope you keep this bike around for a while. My biggest concern is longevity. If this set up last as long as a Honda last in stock form, that will be quite impressive as well.
Did you ever figure out your top speed?
Do you have any plans to run the race again that you ran previously with this bike?
Yes, totally different and much more versatile bike now. If Honda was to develop a bike in the 350 - 450cc range it would be possible to have the mid-range of the Stage 3 with the top-end of the stage 4.
I haven't tested the top end yet... maybe this week.
I would like to race the Sunraysia Safari agin this year, but finding the money for the entry fee is a little difficult at the moment.
Do you have to remove the OEM crank saver to fit a 15T front sprocket ?
Meant to say case saver
What tire pressure do you run in the Dunlop 606 Rear and what are you running on the front?
I generally run 22psi everywhere to avoid pinch flats. I prioritise puncture resistants over traction and then only adjust air pressure if needed.
Sorry if you have this info elsewhere , but where can I find the details/list of the Stage 4 mods?
P.s: Found your chennel yesterday, saw all your videos related to the crf (yes I didn't do much this sunday) and with the mods that you got, I'm sold. thank you and keep up on those videos
Have a look at the 550 Performance website
Hi Mr Shonky, where did you get the font T15 sprocket?
Look at the first comment. Or google CBR300 15t sprocket.
Looking good! I Think i need to find myself a 15 tooth front sproket now 😃
Btw no website have a 15 t sproket Iisted, I wonder if any 520 will do?
YES use a 520 sprocket. I'll try to put a link in the description for a 15 tooth sprocket. HINT: Google CBR300 15t front sprocket.
Sorry, I was confused for a minute.. It is a 520 sprocket you want. I use the a 520 chain.
www.yuminashi.eu/15t-520-pitch-jt-pro-series-front-sprocket-cb300f-cbr250-cbr300-crf250-cbf250-xr250/
Love your work Shonky. 🍻Wondering whether 15/40 gearing would also be suitable for Rally that does more on-road riding with 550 ECU, air filter, stock exhaust and 120/80 rear tyre?
Hi Jimmy, I was running 15/40 with my stage 1.5 setup last year and liked it. It makes the bike more relaxed and enjoyable for on-road riding, but struggled slightly in 6th gear up hills and into headwinds. I say try it... you will like it. Just keep in mind that in some occasional situations, you may be better off dropping down to 5th gear and revving a little more.
Cheers mate! Appreciate your insights.
@@888jimmy I also ran 14/38 with the Stage 1 tune and liked that. I got my rear sprockets for MXstore (Same as XR250)
@@ShonkyProductions Cheers 👍I was just running the numbers when I got your reply. 14/38 might be a better combo for me. Torque loss is a little less -5.3% compared to 15/40 at -7.1%. As you very well know, every little bit counts when it comes to the 286cc of displacement. Still a cracking do it all light adv bike. Just would like a little more punch. Maybe I should shell out for the 301 kit...
@@888jimmy enjoy what you have for a while and save up for the 301cc down the track.
Would a 15 front do 110km on flat road ok stock bike?
Yes. But I'm sure you could do 110kph on stock gearing. A stock bike with a 15t front struggles uphill or into headwinds in 6th gear.
Hi
Great work …if one wants to drop a 300 rally off to a mechanic and get this stage 4 mod done from a stock starting point …where do we go ?
I live in mid Northern NSW .
How much to get a mechanic to install ride in ride out ?
Cheers
Any decent mechanic can do the work... If I can do it all myself, it can't be too hard. I actually found taking the airbox out to install the CBR inlet to be the most difficult part. If someone was to do it all together from a stock bike it would be simpler than the way I did it... bit by bit. I bought all the parts from 550 Performance in the USA.
Ok …cheers
What app is that you are using?
It's just called "GPS Speedometer - Odometer App". It's OK, but as a free app, it's always trying to force you to buy the premium version. I need to open it, then close it a few times to get past the "Upgrade" screens.
That tyre to swing arm clearance might be a problem in the mud.
You may want to get a longer chain to get the correct clearance
Yes, in that thick, clingy mud it may be an issue... but I'm loving its willingness to wheelie!!!
@@ShonkyProductionshopefully you won’t lose that by very much....
hey Shonky great stuff man. I just got the stage 4, big bore, sport cams, to jump my stage 1 up ... I also installed a torq drive clutch pack from Rekluse and im wondering did you try a 13 tooth to get some more midrange/low end torq...i see you had a stock 14 tooth and didn't like it with the d606 but just wondering if ya tried the 13? cheers buddy thanks
Sounds like you have a great setup. I didn't' try a 13t because I need to ride on the freeway and want comfortable cruising revs. Maybe the Stage 3 setup (CBR cams and tune with 301cc kit) would suit you better?
How are you finding the Torq Drive clutch?
What type of riding are you doing?
Hey shonky bro i just added the stage 4 and big bore also got the torq deive clutch pack in and im very interested in the 15t sprocket idea where did you get your? I also ride road/highway to get to the off road … where did you get your 15T sprocket?
@@BraapPacker Google CBR300 15t sprocket
@@ShonkyProductions sweet got one … im finding that if i shift from 5th gear to 6gear at 6-6.5rpm there is no pull/acceleration with the d606/mt 21 set and stock 14/40 gearing … hoping switching to 15/40 will fix this… what ya think? (If i wring it out to 8k then shift 5-6 then there is the pull to get up to passing speed but yea i think your right if i can get a tiny bit better road and still keep the offroad goodies for the most part itll be the perfect lightweight do all)
I think you may just have the modern unicorn there ??
Haha... close enough for me 👍
I really question the reliability that has been degraded by going stage 4 though.. Changing out the cams and top end seems like a bad idea. 🤷♂️
How so? The piston, rings and wrist pin are better quality than standard Honda parts. The squish clearance is maximised for better fuel burn and economy. The cams only move the power higher in the rev range, but still within the recommended safe range well below redline.
So I read in comments that your bike is a 301cc ,I haven't watched all the upgrades but have you bored out the 286 standard.
Yes, watch my last few videos on my Stage 4 mods to learn all about it. 550 Performance sell a bolt on 301cc kit which includes a new cylinder, piston, gaskets and a matching ECU.
What’s the total cost of the modifications including the cost of the bike ?
I'm working that out now and will do a video on the costs involved in getting a stock bike up to this level.
I just got my L's for my R-E this week and this video solidifies that this is the bike I'm going to buy, thank you. That's the most acceleration I've seen out of a rally and it would take me a long time, if ever, to grow out of it while never being able to find a replacement bike at the same weight. My mate is trying to sell me on a drz400e but after this, the choice is obvious. I'm very impressed with that
Besides the sprocket and the taller rear tyre, what other performance mods have you done? Just the stage 4 from 550? (I can't find the stage 4 on their website, just a bunch of different stages I'm assuming you added together, sorry, I'm new to your channel) as well as suspension too please
I've liked this video so I can refer back to it that way I shouldn't need to ask again. Plus I think it deserves a like regardless 😂
I have ridden plenty of bikes over the last 35 years and I don't see myself growing out of this power for the type of riding I want to do.
Stage 4 is: CBR300 airbox mods, 301cc big bore kit, Sports cams and matching (stage 4) ECU.
I would recommend finding a second hand CRF300 Rally, you may find one with the suspension already fixed. Ride that for a while to get use to it and then modify it to Stage 4 if you want more power. If you are looking for more of a trail bike than an adventure bike, you could get the CRF300L and use the Stage 3 mods. It will give you a stronger mid-range for slower, trail riding.
@@ShonkyProductions I appreciate the reply mate, thank you. I wont do any performance mods while I'm still learning but its good to know that I've got that bit of extra room to push it when I get my skills up and the warranty is over lol. But if I don't find it lacking anything, I may just leave it stock
I've looked at them second hand as they're only a grand or 2 cheaper. I've never bought any vehicle new but at least bikes make that possible compared to the cars I'm used to driving, so i might buy new just for the experience and I've had some bad experience with used cars where the old owner has done some dodgy mods that I've had to spend time and money fixing which if I can avoid, I will. I know what you're saying but I'd prefer the peace of mind
@JoshSinnott97 hey mate where are you? I'm on my RE Ls as well abd picked up one in Perth for 9500 with YSS suspension, stage 1.5, yoshie Exhaust full system, mirrors,pegs better handlebar guards, fathers,pegs and a host of other stuff about 6grand worth of extras, 4500ks on the clock for $9500 I didn't even attempt at offering a lower price hahaha. Only had one service I'm stoked. So there out there.
@@Galvoflysoz sounds like a great buy! I'm on the NSW Central Coast.
@ShonkyProductions I know where you are, your in that shonky hippie area😁was directed at Josh in case he was over in WA. This was a great video, mate as I progress I will get this done. I've got the airbox done just need the cams a 15t front sprocket,ecu upgrade ( alreasy have the 95tune) and cams and good to goso not a huge expense I just want to see if I can lower the bike a little as pretty tall with the YSS I'm on tiptoes and only learning. Thinking of that Link from bikerbitz. Until I'm a lot better rider anyway.
You keeping eye on engine temperature while your doing all this mate .
Yeah, thanks. I haven't noticed any increase in engine temp or the radiator fan cutting in... It's getting plenty on air flow 🤣
1.02, Why did you pick left and not right twice?
Smoother line out of the rutt.
Okay, Why is this road closed from everyone
.@@ShonkyProductions
Great watching your clips, it makes me have a go maybe.
Did you ever fully stretch it on a "closed course" flat ground to see your new top speed?
Not yet... maybe this week. I would love to crack 100mph (160kph).
@@ShonkyProductionsi ran into a snag with my stage 4 build today ( the cams came with damage), but will hopefully be back together soon. Then I just have to wait for this snow to melt...
@@ShonkyProductionsand WOW! 100MPH.... if it happens. :) I would be happy with 150 kmph.
@@brucerossonthetube My previous record was 145kph and this setup is faster, so I believe I may be able to crack 160kph. I feel confident that it will do 150kph easily.
@@brucerossonthetube Dam, sorry to hear that. At least it's not too frustrating during your winter.
I'm eager to hear your thoughts once you get to ride it.
For the money you've put into it... you could have bought a KTM 350/500exc.
and then one starts modding that.... 🙂
Yes, I could have. But I have modified a KTM500 for adventure in the past and it wasn't as comfortable or versatile as this bike. Plus you have higher maintenance and lack of security with out an ignition lock.
I will be riding with a mate on his KTM500 in the coming weeks, so we will see the differences in performance and comfort then.
Looks epic! Do you still have that modified half turn throttle on?
Yes, I always run a quick turn throttle on small capacity bike. It's probably somewhere between 1/4 & 1/6 turn so I can get to full throttle easily.