Technical Tuesday: Red Dots vs Iron Sights
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2023
- In this video, Quinn Cunningham, one of our sponsored shooters, offers his thoughts on the merits of red dots. Trevor is a die hard irons shooter...can Quinn convince him?
This video will be the first in an examination of irons vs. red dots. Stay tuned for more on this subject, in particular, how to make the switch to red dots if irons are your thing.
Part II: • Technical Tuesday: Red... - Розваги
I have shot Iron sights for over 40 years. I put a green dot on my MR920, took me about 300 rds to get used to it, now it one of my primary carry guns.
I just got an MR920 and I want to get a red dot soon, but I just turned 21 and it’s my first gun so I want to familiarize myself with the irons incase my red dot fails
@@ChuckisNorrishif you buy a decent optic like a RMR you should be fine. It you can add co witness irons that would be best.
@@BidensHairyLegs69 i don’t want absolute co witness and i don’t like the rmr
You boresighted it or zero'd it in?
It took 300 rounds? No, you are not even close to being used to it
My War Poet is the first red dot on a pistol I ever owned. Immediately fell in love, I could shoot very rapidly with a very nice grouping on my first run. Im with Quinn never going back lol
DITTO! WARPOET WITH SHADOWS SYSTEMS COMPENSATER, SUREFIRETURBO & T.REX SIDECAR! BEST MONEY I EVER SPENT ON A PISTOL. WAS WORRIED I WOULD HAVE TROUBLE WITH FIRST PISTOL DOT. SNAP CAPPED FOR ABOUT 6 NIGHTS TILL I COULD SHOOT IT. GOT USED TO FINDING DOT INSTANTLY.
ALMOST 5K ROUNDS. NOT ONE ISSUE WITH ANY BRAND ANY WEIGHT AMMO!
💯, agree. Red dots have their place. My personal opinion on carry a pistol for EDC. No need for a optic or light. Most people seems like they are doing because it's ' the cool ' thing to do. For me. Iron sights EDC, Red dot for the range
Loved the conclusion!! I shot iron sights all my life and competed for a whole year in IDPA with iron sights too. After IDPA States were over, I switched to a dot and I'm never going back!
just great guns keep up the great work keep on improving!
I want that shadow systems shirt.
Man i hated dots for the longest time! I spent thousands of rounds finally getting uae to it. Now i have them on all pistols! Fantastic video content
The absolute beauty of a dot is that the dot appears where you are looking. That’s what makes it so fast and that’s why you’re able to shoot more accurately. The dot goes where the eyes go.
The auto adjust on the trijicon rmr type 2 is quite good. The new rmr hd might be even better since they moved the sensor
I have shot Iron for 20 years, added a SRO to my DR920L and over 500 rounds later, I am still getting the feel for it. Not giving up yet as Quinn said spent the money on it give it a good go.
Looking forward to the next Tech Tuesday. I find myself hunting for the dot a lot more than I wish. I also use different platforms so consistency in hold (as in natural point of aim)is problematic. I just can’t shoot one pistol on range day.
If you have multiple systems it is a bit more difficult. I run a p10F, pdp pro and some sigs. There are a few differences. If you go to Modern Samurai Project look up his vids on finding the dot. Best stuff out there on learning the dot that I can find at the moment. Also practice plenty on drawing and use your right pinky to pull the gun down on presentation. This can help. Have a good one
I appreciate the fact the DR920L comes with great iron sights, I love mine! With a great front sight you can still shoot target focus with Irons…
Loving my new CR920 with Holosun EDC.
I tried a dot recently. I probably screwed up some which way but the best I could get it sighted in was 3-4" off of point of aim. I plan to revisit red dots when I get a chance but I'll stick to iron sights for now. Besides the mr920 sights are pretty great for iron sights anyway.
I have an astigmatism and I can't see my front sight really well, however dots really help me now
After carrying irons for 8 years I gave a Holosun 507k x2 a try on a few of my micro 9's. Ultimately, the added bulk for EDC and super slim chance of needing to take a distant shot in an EDC scenario make me prefer the irons still. However, I understand the appeal of faster target acquisition, a single point of aim dot, etc. Maybe I need more red dot practice but it's just not my preference and my vision is fairly good at this point still fortunately.
for the aiming device thing yall forgot about crossbows but it was pretty close
Enjoying the dr920L so much I’m carrying it. 👍🏻
…with an SRO.
Optics are just so much better in my opinion. I've got a DR920P and a CR920 both with optics, absolutely love em
For the new Trijicon RCR are you guys going to work with them on doing longer screws?
Iron sights bullseye shooting is more challenging. Seems like people always look for the easy way out.
It is unlikely I will ever run any optic on a pistol. Iron sights all day for pistols. Rifles and shotguns is where I'll absolutely start using red dots and magnified optics.
My shots at distance are much better with a RD. However, I find no value in double tap failure drills within normal civilian/off duty distances.
As both a new firearm owner and someone of advanced age needing to wear glasses, I decided to get a red dot for my gun. I purchased a Burris Fastfire 4 Red Dot Sight. While I love using it at the range, the only issue I have with it is that in order to use it I have to press and hold a button for about 1-2 seconds to turn it on before I can use it. This makes it almost unusable in a sudden emergency situation where you have to draw and acquire your assailant quickly. Is this common amongst other or all red dot sights?
When I first used red dots I hated it. However I learned you don't have to wait until the dot stops to get accurate hits. You simply just have to break the shot when the dot paints the Target. Overall I be am much faster with red dots then iron sights
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Definitely good to know. As a new shooter, I can see this being a common mistake.
I shoot iron sights,and got an optic ready gun.I am still skeptical on which one to get for an optic.There is so many to choose from,and it is kinda overwhelming to be honest.I don’t want to break the bank,but don’t want a crappy one either.I feel like I am going to stick with my iron sights for awhile,and I believe save up,and get a decent Red Dot,and give it a go.
Fear + adrenaline + someone trying to kill you = point shooting 99% of the time for self defense.
Laser sight for the win.
You can stay target focused and have a visible reference on the target from any shooting position without have to get the gun up to eye level.
Yes, bows have sights. Certainly modern bows do, but attach a goose quill to a longbow with a piece of string, and you have a sight. That is how I shoot my longbow all the time. It's secure and adjustable for range.
I do not feel that sights are required on a pistol, if you adhere to the FBI stats. on average shooting. In WWI as I understand it, training on shooting the 1911 basically consisted of alignment with the forearm. That being said there is also a whole discussion around predictive shooting. I am up in years and started switched to MRD's on all my EDCs several starting about 5 years ago. The draw and presentation is definitely different than irons, but with practice and proper technique there are as fast for me. Great discussion on the topic. By the way, I am not a Glock fan primarily because of the angle of presentation. However, Shadow Systems definitely resolved that issue by changing the grip angle with your back strap system, way to go. Today I do not hear any debate about the value of optics on long guns and I feel we are rapidly approaching that with pistols.
The auto brightness issue will hopefully be resolved with the new RMR HD. It’s sooo annoying
A green dot is better for my old eyes with astigmatism. What a lot of people fail to consider is what if your glasses are not even on ? Look at your iron sights and then micro dot. For myself it was not even close. The micro dot was better. The CR with a carry version of the holosun I will carry after 500-600 rds are fired
Going from irons to a dot is hard.
But if you learn on a dot (like a lot of younger shooters do), switching to irons is easy. Being a good dot shooter makes you a better iron shooter.
what about rain snow hevey fog
I bought an MR920 _specifically_ to mount an optic (I came from many years with my trusty G19), and I "hate" the red dot too. (9:27). I am convinced that the red dot will [eventually] be better for me (older eyes), but the transition so far has not been fun... 😑
I have a MR918 frame and a Suarez optics cut slide...thus the "Sharez or the Suadow 19. 😮
No sight alignment is a preference, not an advantage. I disagree that a dot is more accurate, but they are certainly no less accurate either. Also, no one ever pulls up irons with a major discrepancy in sight alignment, because you are aligning as the weapon comes up into sight. I've seen many a dot shooting competitor draw and be in the dead zone where their grip is off and the dot is completely out of sight. The one place you are correct is that the dot is easier, and that is the entire reason for their popularity. Why actually learn to sight when you can go the lazy route. I've never had any issues going back and forth, irons to dot to irons, so I don't get that one.
I'm with Trevor, for now. I need a LOT more trigger time on my two War Poet pistols to get my brain wrapped around the Glock trigger action. Then I'll put the red dots back on and start working with those.
Red dots are ideal for range and competition, in a defensive situation you don’t have time to pick up a dot , the iron sights are dead on plus they’ll never fail
What does it take to become a sponsored shooter for Shadow Systems? :)
Mine came with a black front sight. Where can I order a Ameriglo / fiber optic front sights with the right specs (.260?) for the MR 920 elite?
shadowsystemscorp.com/product/mr-dr-xr-cr-sights-multiple-options/
Thank you for the link. Do you have a link to the tool needed to replace the front sight?@@ShadowSystemsCorp
I will never carry without a dot again. It made me a way better shooter with both dots and irons, allows me to threat focus and shoot way more accurately and quicker at distance. With the amount of shootings stopped by people at greater distances I think it is important to learn, take Eli Dickens and that Chad Boomer in his church. Some shootings are over 40 yards. Dot for life and as for reliability I literally have irons still so I have a back up that is still just as good as irons have always been, plus I have seen more issues with irons falling off and breaking than dots these days.
Every pistol I carry has a dot. My old eyes just work better with them and I shoot better and quicker than with irons.
For those who have trouble acquiring the dot when presenting your weapon, you might try looking for the front sight as you are presenting it. You should find the dot coming into view as your pistol becomes level with the target.
Irons all day, especially for civilian edc
I look forward to Trevor being converted to a dot shooter. Should not take long 🥳
Red dots are cool, however it requires training and a lot of practice to be efficient with one. I know, that in a real world defensive situation the “dot” has to be found very fast.
It's called practice. I practice every night with snap caps even if just 5min. Usually bout 15min. & shoot a lot. I didn't take me that long to switch over with practice. U don't make every three-pointer in basketball if u only touch a ball every 2 months. Just sayin.
I take this shit seriously. It's my life and others in my hands; I carry always. With practice u will find dot every time. We are responsible for every round that comes out of that🔫
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"WE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE!"
~ALLEN IVERSON
And of course snap caps with iron sights same thing. Practice with what u carry every night.
It's the same as using irons. If you pick up irons quick, you can do the same with a dot.
Personally, for some reason, even though it's supposed to be the other way around, I have a harder time finding the proper sight picture with a red dot than with iron sights.
Do u snap cap every night with your pistol from concealment & go to range enough. It takes a lot of practice. U don't just make every single three-pointer in basketball if u only touch a basketball every 2 months.... just sayin. I practice every night for even 5min. Usually about 15min. a night.
And shoot a lot. But seriously the more time you put in the more u get. I take this shit seriously, it's my life & others in my hands, cause I carry always. You are responsible for every round that comes out of that 🔫
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@@YELLTELL yeah I need to practice more with snap caps, but I do go to the range very often. Don't get me wrong, I pick a proper sight with my red dot real quick, but I'm a bit quicker with the iron sights
It's practice.
@Fideon snap capping has made me such a better shooter all around dot or not Also the dot will never stop moving just shoot
On Elite MR920 with day/night sites it's absolute unnecessary to run a red dot.
Sorry had one and hated it due to fact you have to rely on batteries and electronic device to shoot.
If you cant use is on sites on these pistols and hit where you aim that get a rifle.)
Iron sights make you a better shooter, red dots make your gun a better tool, but in real life, you better be a better shooter !!
Red dots will help you become a better iron sight shooter. I'll argue that the trend of even the most devoted iron sight shooters are closer to the red dot than they think.
What do most iron sight shoot? Either a fiber optic/tritium front sight with a blacked out rear sight, it's just a smaller sight picture. After training/shooting red dots you can begin to shoot iron sights target focused as well in most practical and defensive situations.
Simplicity excuse with having to change a battery or tighten screws is lazy. I can only talk for myself but I can shoot way more consistently with a red dot
Tech Tuesday topic idea, streamlining manufacturing to get the cr920p into my hands. 🤣
This was not about Red Dot versus Iron Sights. This was a Red Dot love in. Frankly, it is a bit dishonest title
Good content, however slightly latent, homoerotic vibes going on towards the end of the video.
Cheap, crappy optic?
Oh yeah, you mean Halosun.
What standard are you subscribed to where you believe that Holosun is cheap and crappy?
Idk why it’s so difficult for the production team to slap on some Lav mics instead of the big piece rode square on the collars 😵💫
These... literally are lavalier mics. It's a microphone attached to the lapel lol
@@G82Jesse Lav mic cable is what I’m talking about but it’s ok you will catch up with the times