Thank you so much. I too wondered why they want me to press the “I want interest” button. I just thought so far I keep the total amount (investment and cash) below £85k my money is covered if they go bust. It’s concerning to know that it’s at risk. I’ll keep to normal savings.
I have contacted support and asked about whether you lose the right to FSCS when getting interest on uninvested cash and I received this response: "No, earning interest on your uninvested funds does not affect your right to FSCS protection. Your funds and assets held with Trading 212 are still protected by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) with compensation coverage of up to £85,000, even if you choose to earn interest on your uninvested cash." So I believe you are safe :)
@@matullko It's only the element of your cash that in banks that is protected. From the Trading 212 Interest on cash FAQ page: "Money placed with a QMMF is treated as an investment and not as money held with a bank. In the unlikely event that the QMMF fails to maintain their low-risk strategy, as with any investment, the protection will not be available. We carefully select all QMMFs to ensure that they are highly liquid, stable in value and maintain their highly regulated status." and "You can see your cash holdings in QMMFs and banks through the app's interest on cash dashboard, and in the 'Cash in banks' and 'Cash in QMMFs' sections of your account activity and monthly statements."
As someone holding a Trading 212 stocks and shares ISA, but also a novice, I would say the answer is no. You transfer money to Trading 212 and it sits there. If you haven't signed up to the 5.2% interest discussed in this video then you get zero interest. If you do sign up, then you are liable for tax if you go over the interest earned threshold. As soon as you invest the money into the stocks and shares ISA, your profits from that are tax free. Just be aware that if you buy UK shares you pay 0.5% stamp duty at the time of purchase. Blame HMRC not Trading 212. If you buy USA shares then there are different charges for money exchange. Trading 212 sort all this out for you and it is really easy.
@@ContactDailyKaizen I don't believe this is true, but I'm happy to be corrected. Money transferred to Trading 212 sits there until you specify which shares you wish to purchase. If the money is uninvested it is not in the ISA. I see no mechanism to push the money into the stocks and shares ISA without specifying exactly how it is to be invested.
Once your money is I'm an isa whether it be cash or stocks and shares isa, its tax free whether the money be invested or not at any given time it is still in the tax wrapper of the isa, you are not fscs protected for the cash side once you opt into he 5.2% as it's invested possibly in a qmmf, bit all stocks or etfs bought are ringfenced and are protected shoukd something happen to t212
Not sure if this is a change since, but actually part of your deposit is protected. The platform shows you how much is in a QMMF and how much is in various banks. I am for example approximately 1/3rd in QMMFs, and 2/3rds in banks. The 2/3rds is fully protected under the FSCS scheme. I would agree though that I would not use this as a savings account for such a marginal interest gain, but I'm happy with it for my cash that is waiting to be invested, as most platforms offer nowhere near this on cash held and not invested.
I think the main benefit is that its 5.2% interest on unlimited balance and it does NOT count toward your interest allowance if held in their ISA account... I dont think anything else can beat that at the moment?
for cash isa purposes please note trading 212 does not allow transfer ins any more even though the option is there and it still advertises as such, presumable until they lower the interest paid out and a false means of drawing people in. thats the catch
Keep in mind that they also offer that in ISA account so you DON"T pay any tax on this interest! If you do with bank, with normal savings account, you'll be paying it
@@JamesVWorld I'm not talking about card. I don't even have their card. You can get this yield by enabling interest on cash on ISA account, which is huge, that's what I'm talking about.
Hi Guys..I Have Used Up My ISA Allowance For This Year. I Will Put In Say £1K Into Trading 212 , Dabble Say £500 For The Year And Keep The Other £500 For The Interest.Paul I Understand What You Are Saying But I Think The Interest Rate Is Variable My Bricks And Mortar ISA Is Fixed For 1 Year But The Rate Is Lower Though. The FSCS Protection Is Very Important (Northern Rock) So While I Am Willing To "Invest" 1K I Think A Lot Of People Are Going To Be Worried About The Up To Max £20K Especially If It's Just Sitting There For The 5.21%
@@ThomasTube0303 Of course it is variable, it is based on BOE base rate in a first place. The benefits of having it in T212 Isa is pretty simple - you can take it out at any time, it might be important to you or not. If you've used up your isa - it is irrelevant to you. If you are worried about brokers collapsing, I suggest to use US brokers instead, like IBKR, they also pay interest and you're protected by half a million I think.
More of a casual audience and the UK population in general and maybe including him know nothing to little about investing and could alienate his audience
Tip: it's possible to max the Santander Edge Saver (£4k @ 7%) and not pay any fee. This is achieved by simply not setting up any direct debit on the associated Edge current account.
@@Mazwell96 You definitely need to have an Edge current account in order to open the Edge Saver. However, you don't have to have direct debits on the Edge current account if you don't want to. With no direct debits, you won't pay a fee (and obviously don't earn cashback on direct debits, since you have none). All 3 adults in my family do this, as do countless people on Moneysavingexpert (where I learnt to do it). The previous Santander offering worked exactly the same before Edge came about, and it still works.
@@Mazwell96 My reply seems to have disappeared. Anyway, the terms of the Edge current account say they'll start charging the current account fee when you meet the criteria for cashback... so if you never set up direct debits on the Edge current account then they don't charge a fee and you can still use the associated Edge Saver. If anyone does join them via the switch incentives though, which often stipulate DD do need to be switched in, then that's different.
The Answer Is Yes. This Video Was Made BEFORE Trading 212 Had A Cash ISA Option. What Andy Is Talking About Here Is Uninvested Cash In Your Account. You Would Earn Interest At (Currently) 5.2%. But You Would Have To Option In, But Once You Opt In You Are Giving T212 Permission To Use QMMF And This Is Where You Would Lose The FSCS Protection. But As Of Today You Would Place Your Spare Uninvested Cash In The Cash ISA Option And Your FSCS Protection Is Valid Because That Option Does NOT Use QMMFs.
If I had a S&S ISA with T212 in FY22 and then opened a new SSISA with a different provider. Can I still opt into the interest offer on my SSISA with T212 and it won’t impact my ISA allowance?
now that's interesting, that's now how I understand it, you have 2 options with T212, CFD's (avoid like the plague) and Stock and shares ISA, once you open the ISA and put your money into that, then you should be protected.
Depends on what you mean by protected. You either put your money into Stocks. This can go up or down. Or leave it as "Cash". Trading212 then invest that in Money Market funds, which are ultra short term bonds, which pay interest, close to SONIA. This has very minimum risk and is not protected by FCA/FSA.
@@Dosh__ how confident are you that it isn't protected by FCA? I saw a video saying that it was up to £85k and read that in many places also, but I am dubious about it.
@@ggoog1845 A little complicated now that T212 have introduced Cash ISA. If you have cash in their GIA or Stocks and Shares ISA then my above statement applies. But if you stick your cash in their new Cash ISA then you are FCA protected. All pay the same rate of 5.2%. I think now you can also move your cash from S&S ISA (unprotected) to Cash ISA (protected) and vice-versa, provided both add up to your ISA allowance or less.
@@ggoog1845 The risk is very low in having cash in S&S ISA or GIA, which is why T212 ask you to opt in to get the 5.2%, because then they invest your money in money market funds as explained before. If you don't opt in then the cash sits in their bank and is fully protected.
@@ggoog1845 In both S&S ISA and GIA accounts, if you *don't* opt in to the 5.2% interest then your cash is protected as they hold this in a bank. If you do opt in then they invest your cash in Money Market Funds, which has a very low risk. That is, your money is *invested* and is not "real" cash. If you invest in their new Cash ISA then it is FCA protected.
Most if not all of the execution-only stockbrokers have resumed paying interest on uninvested cash but their rates are much lower than this, typically 2-3%.
My Halifax regular saver offers 5.5% interest, yes there are restrictions but I’d rather use 212 for my stocks and shares. The Halifax one isn’t easy access but I’d rather it that way.
But your regular saver only pays half the advertised rate on the total amount you invest in a year. It's due to how the rate is calculated. I got scammed by first direct offering 7%, I only got 3.4% on 3600 in a year.
@@OH2023-cj9if These type of accounts are only good for the first and second deposit. you can put the max amount in for the first 2 months and then reduce you contributions to a minimum. Then seek out a another bank account and do the same thing with that. i.e put small amounts scattered among different accounts
@@OH2023-cj9if You were only able to pay in £300 at a time though. You got 7% on the cash that was actually in the account. You could have kept the money in an easy access savings account and slowly ferried it into the regular saver.
Thank you for invaluable information. I never read small print and will never knowingly open a "bank account" where you loose fscs protection! I would have opened your video with this and not wait until 6min 30sec.
Pros: Ease of opening, ease of use -depositing funds and trading with Zero platform and transaction charges and low FX fee compared to competitors. Cons: T212 seems to have a problem calculating and displaying the true average cost price 1) Average price shown after purchase does not include the 0.5% Stamp duty for UK stocks, assume it must be the same for other stocks where stamp duty is payable. This has been raised previously with T212 and only received a polite thank you 2) Similarly, does not include the fx fee for US stocks in the average cost price. 3) Poor experience transferring Stocks and share ISA - transferred cash is held and not applied to the account once received
Seen other things saying Trading 212 cash ISA is FCS protected to 85k. In theory if I put 10k in it could go down? I thought it was covered and acts the same as a bank eg guaranteed interest
Does any money sat in cash come under the ISA wrapper if you hold one with T 2-1-2 and have spare capacity in there? Or are you still liable for any income tax if you go above the thresholds?
It certainly came across that way on here ,but it is not the case .You can see your cash isa money and which banks hold what so you have the protection up to 85k per institution .It is just QMMF money that has a tiny risk which you can avoid be just moving it to the cash isa
I’m sure they can offer a great return, as you do a forex trade like 270,000 GBP/USD and you take the green, then you do the same trade 4.5 minutes later, same direction, almost identical but suddenly your stop loss triggers and you say WHAT!! WHAT HAPPENED ! When your statement comes you notice the 3,520% increase in the mark up (very liquid mark up) on the spread !!
Trouble with using 212 for cash is the lack of FSCS protection, and the fact that lump-sum investing tends to out-perform PCA knocks out a real use-case for holding a pot of 212 "cash" in their trading app system.
I like trading 212 but they don't offer a SIPP so I'm on freetrade instead. But I like some features of trading212 such as profits from loaning your shares
What are your thoughts on the idea of converting spare cash into csk (Czech crown) to get the 6% interest? Poland and Hungary also have good rates on here (6 and 7% respectively), but I'm using csk asy example as I travel there regularly, and I know the exchange rate is pretty stable. The fee for converting two ways (to brown, then back to euro when needed)would be covered in the first week. A seventh of 1%.
Considering they are potentially investing this money will the any profits generated from uninvested cash be considered for annual CGT or interest allowance?
Can i check if this is still up to date advice? On their website, it does call out....Question - Does FSCS still cover me?. Answer - Yes. If Trading 212 fails, the value of your assets is protected up to £85,000 by the FSCS. This is under the 'pay interest on cash' section.
This is from the FAQ’s Where we hold your money with a bank, you are protected by the FSCS up to a limit of £85,000. Learn more about how your money is protected here. Money placed with a QMMF is treated as an investment and not as money held with a bank. In the unlikely event that the QMMF fails to maintain their low-risk strategy, as with any investment, the protection will not be available. We carefully select all QMMFs to ensure that they are highly liquid, stable in value and maintain their highly regulated status.
@@OH2023-cj9if tbf the video doesnt really cover that qu. Investments aren't covered by FSCS anywhere. Sounds like waiting cash would be if you dont opt in.
I have an interesting question if anyone is willing to share an opinion. Say you have 50,000 that you want to put into the S&P 500. statically lump sum wins DCA more often than not in terms of returns, but I’m lead to believe that those studies are assuming no interest on the spare cash while DCAing. What if while you DCA you park the spare cash in trading212 for the 5.2% interest?
Trading 212 offer stocks and shares isa and normal savings isas. I have the 5.2 savings isas and it shows you which banks your money is in ( barcleys,natwest and jp morgan in my case )..... If you go stocks and shares isa then your money goes into funds and it is more like investing, so do some serious homework before you make a descision on this one although long term the returns will be better than a standard isa. Just gotta trust the process.
@@crg92 they should move to another provider I believe but I can’t remember what the exact procedure is, because you have actually bought the underlying asset.
Hello all .. can someone help me please .. what interest can i exoect if i put, say £10,000, in a 212 trading account for say a period of 30 days? Thanking you in advance
about £43 (in 12 months you would get £520 on £10000 at 5.2% so divide that £520 by 12) T212 will tell you how much daily interest you can expect for the amount you put in
It's wrong about losing the FSCS protection. You don't with the cash that is "in the bank" - it's in their FAQ. Mine has been 100% bank since I transferred my ISA a couple of months ago, apart from today when I sold some shares and it's dropped to 92%. I expect it to move back up towards 100% in the coming days.
About 80% into this YT video you verified what I presumed to be the case - this financial service company is in the UK. My request for you and all similar UA-camrs is to state right at the beginning of the video what jurisdiction you are educating about. US, Canadian, Australian - they all make this same ommission.
Lots of decent information, thank you. 👍🏻 Question: is the daily interest you receive directly available? In other words: do you see the cash amount getting higher each day?
Trade Republic gives 4% interest rate with easy access too, is it the same case you're covering here? You also have an extra step to get that interest so im wondering if it's the same case as here.
They do not pay HMRC as there is no requirement to or agreement between T212 and HMRC to collect tax on their behalf. If T212 are telling you they do, it needs investigating when you get a tax bill. I had my tax code adjusted because no bank or savings provider pays your tax for you in the UK. They INFORM HMRC how much interest you make as that IS a legal requirement. It's for the person to pay tax, so I would send your evidence about T212 to FCA for urgent investigation.
So quick question if anyone can answer. If I deposit £1000 with T 212 and activate the interest payment. How much will they pay me at the end of first day ?
@becleverwithyourcash thank you for your review. Are you sure that uninvested cash under interest earning option is not covered by FSCS? I saw comments saying that as long as it's under 85K it is still protected.
ISA cash interest isn't worth the hassle compared to Stocks ISA You will earn a lot more in the long term with fund investment. Just to simplify it, if you had £100,00 in Cash ISA and earned 5% AER, by the end of the annual return your money would be £105,000. You will make a lot more with Stocks ISA.
I can't believe how many people have difficulty understanding what I thought was a very clear plain language explanation. Watch the video! Why does everyone post the same question and want the answer typed out over and over. What is it you all don't understand?
I appreciate you are not an investing channel, but if I might add, a lot of money market funds are currently paying closer to 5.5%. This is essentially a MMF with poor terms.
I'm thinking to put some cash in stocks, I was at Salt Shack and i overheard some friends saying its ripe enough, but Is this a good time to buy stocks? I’ve been sitting on over $545K equity from a home sale and I’m not sure where to go from here, is it a good time to buy into stocks or do I wait for another opportunity?
Off course, but Just because there are opportunities in the market doesn’t mean you should go in blindly. To understand the potential factors that contribute to your financial growth, I'll advise you to seek the help of a professional.
Agreed, It's essential to diversify your portfolio. While quality stocks are a solid foundation, you should also consider other assets to spread risk. Thankfully, I can attest to the success of this approach aided by professional guidance seeing my portfolio of $330k grow by 15% this year alone... maybe you should do the same.
This week Plum and Moneybox increased their rates to 5.17% AER and 5.16% AER respectively.
I make use of this as it’s a great place to put the money before I move it into my S&S ISA on the 6th April 😊
Is it free from tax on interest? Or can that interest be paid in to the ISA?
@@OH2023-cj9if it has an invest ISA yes
@@OH2023-cj9ifyour cash already sits in the ISA before being invested so it’s tax free.
@@OH2023-cj9ifas long as it doesn’t roll over into next tax year
you can put money in cash ISA to avoid tax
Thank you so much.
I too wondered why they want me to press the “I want interest” button.
I just thought so far I keep the total amount (investment and cash) below £85k my money is covered if they go bust.
It’s concerning to know that it’s at risk.
I’ll keep to normal savings.
i thought it was safe as long as its below 85
I have contacted support and asked about whether you lose the right to FSCS when getting interest on uninvested cash and I received this response:
"No, earning interest on your uninvested funds does not affect your right to FSCS protection. Your funds and assets held with Trading 212 are still protected by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) with compensation coverage of up to £85,000, even if you choose to earn interest on your uninvested cash."
So I believe you are safe :)
@@matullko Hi thank you does this apply for the qmmfs? as in its protected up to £85,000
@@matullko Then what is the catch? 🤔
@@matullko It's only the element of your cash that in banks that is protected. From the Trading 212 Interest on cash FAQ page:
"Money placed with a QMMF is treated as an investment and not as money held with a bank. In the unlikely event that the QMMF fails to maintain their low-risk strategy, as with any investment, the protection will not be available. We carefully select all QMMFs to ensure that they are highly liquid, stable in value and maintain their highly regulated status." and "You can see your cash holdings in QMMFs and banks through the app's interest on cash dashboard, and in the 'Cash in banks' and 'Cash in QMMFs' sections of your account activity and monthly statements."
Excellent info. Probably going to 212 in April, really good to know.
How it goes so far for you?
@@ram4uall Good thanks. 212 isn't perfect, but from the looks of it is on par with the best app wise, and cheap. Am making money.
Using T212, getting the 5.2% and 1% cashback for deposits. I'm not getting that much return anywhere else at the moment.
What about taxation ? On the interest gained
5.2% isa. 20% s&p500 over the last year. not investing is stupidity. this also bad info 212 cash isa is a ISA protected bu fca up to 85k
If i put 10K as uninvested cash in ISA account in trading 212, will the interest earned be tax free (as its a ISA account)?
Yes a stocks and shares isa can hold cash and make tax free interest just like a “regular” cash isa
As someone holding a Trading 212 stocks and shares ISA, but also a novice, I would say the answer is no. You transfer money to Trading 212 and it sits there. If you haven't signed up to the 5.2% interest discussed in this video then you get zero interest. If you do sign up, then you are liable for tax if you go over the interest earned threshold. As soon as you invest the money into the stocks and shares ISA, your profits from that are tax free. Just be aware that if you buy UK shares you pay 0.5% stamp duty at the time of purchase. Blame HMRC not Trading 212. If you buy USA shares then there are different charges for money exchange. Trading 212 sort all this out for you and it is really easy.
@@ContactDailyKaizen I don't believe this is true, but I'm happy to be corrected. Money transferred to Trading 212 sits there until you specify which shares you wish to purchase. If the money is uninvested it is not in the ISA. I see no mechanism to push the money into the stocks and shares ISA without specifying exactly how it is to be invested.
@@philzvids3577it’s categorically tax free and does not utilise your personal savings allowance.
Once your money is I'm an isa whether it be cash or stocks and shares isa, its tax free whether the money be invested or not at any given time it is still in the tax wrapper of the isa, you are not fscs protected for the cash side once you opt into he 5.2% as it's invested possibly in a qmmf, bit all stocks or etfs bought are ringfenced and are protected shoukd something happen to t212
Not sure if this is a change since, but actually part of your deposit is protected. The platform shows you how much is in a QMMF and how much is in various banks. I am for example approximately 1/3rd in QMMFs, and 2/3rds in banks. The 2/3rds is fully protected under the FSCS scheme.
I would agree though that I would not use this as a savings account for such a marginal interest gain, but I'm happy with it for my cash that is waiting to be invested, as most platforms offer nowhere near this on cash held and not invested.
So it wouldn't be covered by the fscs ?
no
The money sitting doing nothing until you use it to buy shares with is not protected if you ask T212 to invest it until you use it.
I saw on other comment that actually the not used cash would be protected
I think the main benefit is that its 5.2% interest on unlimited balance and it does NOT count toward your interest allowance if held in their ISA account... I dont think anything else can beat that at the moment?
It’s the best.
Just don't keep much money in while you keep investing
Your card is limited to your non-ISA account, so you're not protected by your ISA wrapper
@@JamesVWorld I'm saying when held in the S&S ISA though, without using the card
Still limited by your ISA limit
What happens if a bank goes bust with no fscs protection, all my money in that bank is gone and irrecoverable?
for cash isa purposes please note trading 212 does not allow transfer ins any more even though the option is there and it still advertises as such, presumable until they lower the interest paid out and a false means of drawing people in. thats the catch
Keep in mind that they also offer that in ISA account so you DON"T pay any tax on this interest! If you do with bank, with normal savings account, you'll be paying it
Your Trading212 card is restricted to your non-ISA account on the app, so your interest is not held within your tax wrapper.
@@JamesVWorld I'm not talking about card. I don't even have their card. You can get this yield by enabling interest on cash on ISA account, which is huge, that's what I'm talking about.
Hi Guys..I Have Used Up My ISA Allowance For This Year.
I Will Put In Say £1K Into Trading 212 , Dabble Say £500 For The Year And Keep The Other £500 For The Interest.Paul I Understand What You Are Saying But I Think The Interest Rate Is Variable My Bricks And Mortar ISA Is Fixed For 1 Year But The Rate Is Lower Though.
The FSCS Protection Is Very Important (Northern Rock) So While I Am Willing To "Invest" 1K I Think A Lot Of People Are Going To Be Worried About The Up To Max £20K
Especially If It's Just Sitting There For The 5.21%
@@ThomasTube0303 Of course it is variable, it is based on BOE base rate in a first place. The benefits of having it in T212 Isa is pretty simple - you can take it out at any time, it might be important to you or not. If you've used up your isa - it is irrelevant to you.
If you are worried about brokers collapsing, I suggest to use US brokers instead, like IBKR, they also pay interest and you're protected by half a million I think.
@@paulf3353won't the savings yield go towards the 20k isa allowance?
Why don't you cover investing on you channel? Is investing not being clever with your cash?
More of a casual audience and the UK population in general and maybe including him know nothing to little about investing and could alienate his audience
Why don't you go down to the bookies or the casino im sure your win
@@SL1CKSHOT. ...and your comment shows why Andy needs to guide people on the subject.
@@SL1CKSHOT.Are you saying investing is like gambling because it isn't
Andy doesn’t investing as their is certain element of risk. Your capital is at risk. Potentially lose every penny.
Tip: it's possible to max the Santander Edge Saver (£4k @ 7%) and not pay any fee. This is achieved by simply not setting up any direct debit on the associated Edge current account.
but i thought you only open the saver by having an edge current account, the edge current account requires 2 direct debits and a £3 monthly fee
@@Mazwell96 You definitely need to have an Edge current account in order to open the Edge Saver. However, you don't have to have direct debits on the Edge current account if you don't want to.
With no direct debits, you won't pay a fee (and obviously don't earn cashback on direct debits, since you have none).
All 3 adults in my family do this, as do countless people on Moneysavingexpert (where I learnt to do it).
The previous Santander offering worked exactly the same before Edge came about, and it still works.
@@Mazwell96 My reply seems to have disappeared. Anyway, the terms of the Edge current account say they'll start charging the current account fee when you meet the criteria for cashback... so if you never set up direct debits on the Edge current account then they don't charge a fee and you can still use the associated Edge Saver.
If anyone does join them via the switch incentives though, which often stipulate DD do need to be switched in, then that's different.
Is the Cash ISA FSCS protected (as opposed to the uninvested funds in the S&S ISA pot)?
So is T212 Cash ISA and Stocks and shares ISA FSC protected or not?????
The Answer Is Yes.
This Video Was Made BEFORE Trading 212 Had A Cash ISA Option.
What Andy Is Talking About Here Is Uninvested Cash In Your Account.
You Would Earn Interest At (Currently) 5.2%. But You Would Have To Option In,
But Once You Opt In You Are Giving T212 Permission To Use QMMF And This Is Where You Would Lose The FSCS Protection.
But As Of Today You Would Place Your Spare Uninvested Cash In The Cash ISA Option And Your FSCS Protection Is Valid Because That Option Does NOT Use QMMFs.
Do you lose FCS protection on just the 5.2% cash or on your entire portfolio?
If I had a S&S ISA with T212 in FY22 and then opened a new SSISA with a different provider. Can I still opt into the interest offer on my SSISA with T212 and it won’t impact my ISA allowance?
So if I’ve enable the internet on cabs and then decide to disable the Interest in cash will I get my fscs protection back
Yes just do it day before their fund implode and you will be safe. lol
Do we lose FSCS protection if we invest in a Cash ISA with Trading 212?
now that's interesting, that's now how I understand it, you have 2 options with T212, CFD's (avoid like the plague) and Stock and shares ISA, once you open the ISA and put your money into that, then you should be protected.
Depends on what you mean by protected. You either put your money into Stocks. This can go up or down. Or leave it as "Cash". Trading212 then invest that in Money Market funds, which are ultra short term bonds, which pay interest, close to SONIA. This has very minimum risk and is not protected by FCA/FSA.
@@Dosh__ how confident are you that it isn't protected by FCA? I saw a video saying that it was up to £85k and read that in many places also, but I am dubious about it.
@@ggoog1845 A little complicated now that T212 have introduced Cash ISA. If you have cash in their GIA or Stocks and Shares ISA then my above statement applies. But if you stick your cash in their new Cash ISA then you are FCA protected. All pay the same rate of 5.2%. I think now you can also move your cash from S&S ISA (unprotected) to Cash ISA (protected) and vice-versa, provided both add up to your ISA allowance or less.
@@ggoog1845 The risk is very low in having cash in S&S ISA or GIA, which is why T212 ask you to opt in to get the 5.2%, because then they invest your money in money market funds as explained before. If you don't opt in then the cash sits in their bank and is fully protected.
@@ggoog1845 In both S&S ISA and GIA accounts, if you *don't* opt in to the 5.2% interest then your cash is protected as they hold this in a bank. If you do opt in then they invest your cash in Money Market Funds, which has a very low risk. That is, your money is *invested* and is not "real" cash. If you invest in their new Cash ISA then it is FCA protected.
Thankyou so much for explaining.
Most if not all of the execution-only stockbrokers have resumed paying interest on uninvested cash but their rates are much lower than this, typically 2-3%.
most pay you nothing
@@sender5804 The ones I checked, Hargreaves Lansdown, Interactive Investor, Barclays Smart Investor and AJ Bell all pay interest on uninvested cash.
@@sender5804keep in mind they still get interest on your cash! They are cashing in big time
Ulster bank also offers 5.2% on balances over 5k
Yes, though you now have to be an Ulster bank current account holder to get this
Shit, didn't know this
Trading 212 allow traders to hold stocks permannently in a portfolio?
My Halifax regular saver offers 5.5% interest, yes there are restrictions but I’d rather use 212 for my stocks and shares. The Halifax one isn’t easy access but I’d rather it that way.
But your regular saver only pays half the advertised rate on the total amount you invest in a year. It's due to how the rate is calculated. I got scammed by first direct offering 7%, I only got 3.4% on 3600 in a year.
You can get easy access accounts at near 5%, why bother with regular savers?
@@OH2023-cj9if These type of accounts are only good for the first and second deposit. you can put the max amount in for the first 2 months and then reduce you contributions to a minimum. Then seek out a another bank account and do the same thing with that. i.e put small amounts scattered among different accounts
Which easy Access account offers 5%? @@OH2023-cj9if
@@OH2023-cj9if You were only able to pay in £300 at a time though. You got 7% on the cash that was actually in the account. You could have kept the money in an easy access savings account and slowly ferried it into the regular saver.
Can you move it out of QMMF ?
If I turn off the Earn interest on savings in the app, do I regain my protection on my money again? Thanks!
I did that and before 100% of my money was in QMMF and 0% in bank. Now it has 0% in Bank and 0% in QMMF so I aint got a clue!!
Thank you for invaluable information. I never read small print and will never knowingly open a "bank account" where you loose fscs protection!
I would have opened your video with this and not wait until 6min 30sec.
Pros: Ease of opening, ease of use -depositing funds and trading with Zero platform and transaction charges and low FX fee compared to competitors.
Cons: T212 seems to have a problem calculating and displaying the true average cost price
1) Average price shown after purchase does not include the 0.5% Stamp duty for UK stocks, assume it must be the same for other stocks where stamp duty is payable. This has been raised previously with T212 and only received a polite thank you
2) Similarly, does not include the fx fee for US stocks in the average cost price.
3) Poor experience transferring Stocks and share ISA - transferred cash is held and not applied to the account once received
Really hard to beat, but ofc MMFs are outside the comfort zone of most people
Money market funds, what a boomer
QMMFs > MMFs. QMMFs are totally safe.
Ofc?
@@NightElff88difference?
Can you please explain about compounding as well?
Trading 212 shows you what % is in a bank account and % in QMMF. Currently mine is 100% bank accounts, and so is FSCS protected.
Mine is 100% in the QMMF all £20k of it wtf
@@DanIngham mine is 100% QMMF now too, it changes almost daily.
If it’s in a cash isa can you lose it
What about interest earned on this uninvested money which earns interest of 5.20%? Will it be taxable?
Seen other things saying Trading 212 cash ISA is FCS protected to 85k. In theory if I put 10k in it could go down? I thought it was covered and acts the same as a bank eg guaranteed interest
No diffrent products he has confused the stocks and shares isa with the cash isa savings account which is fcs protected and intrest paid daily
Is there a withdrawal fee with 212?
No fees, There wasn't for me last year' but Now I would not know, as I withdrew everything just before the crash last year. I bought GOLD instead.
@@B0NES1000 if I type gold on trading 212 I get more than one option. How do I determine which one is the one to buy?
@@B0NES1000 What do you do with the gold?
Does any money sat in cash come under the ISA wrapper if you hold one with T 2-1-2 and have spare capacity in there? Or are you still liable for any income tax if you go above the thresholds?
Simple question. Is your cash isa impacted by having a a separate pot invested in QMMF ?
It certainly came across that way on here ,but it is not the case .You can see your cash isa money and which banks hold what so you have the protection up to 85k per institution .It is just QMMF money that has a tiny risk which you can avoid be just moving it to the cash isa
So if i deposited £1000 on trading 212 sia account. How often would i be making 5.2% of £1000?
I’m sure they can offer a great return, as you do a forex trade like 270,000 GBP/USD and you take the green, then you do the same trade 4.5 minutes later, same direction, almost identical but suddenly your stop loss triggers and you say WHAT!! WHAT HAPPENED ! When your statement comes you notice the 3,520% increase in the mark up (very liquid mark up) on the spread !!
Is this rate also available on their S&S ISA?
Yes, that's the whole point
Yes I use it in mine very happy so far
I'm with zoopa it's 5.07% seems good so far wernt sure weather to go over to t212 but needs to be safe I don't like risk of losing my money
For me a MMF is a no brainier in a isa if your balance is large enough and you are looking for income only.
Trouble with using 212 for cash is the lack of FSCS protection, and the fact that lump-sum investing tends to out-perform PCA knocks out a real use-case for holding a pot of 212 "cash" in their trading app system.
Is it worth changing your money to Hungarian to get 7%?
I like trading 212 but they don't offer a SIPP so I'm on freetrade instead. But I like some features of trading212 such as profits from loaning your shares
What's a SIPP? I'm looking to get into investing to trying to educate myself, any help would be appreciated, thanks!
@@RFCJoe it's a private pension pot. It's for the UK only.
What are your thoughts on the idea of converting spare cash into csk (Czech crown) to get the 6% interest? Poland and Hungary also have good rates on here (6 and 7% respectively), but I'm using csk asy example as I travel there regularly, and I know the exchange rate is pretty stable. The fee for converting two ways (to brown, then back to euro when needed)would be covered in the first week. A seventh of 1%.
Are trading 212 fscs approved. In other words is 85k covered by the government if they go bump?
Considering they are potentially investing this money will the any profits generated from uninvested cash be considered for annual CGT or interest allowance?
no
If T212 goes bust and you have money in their 5.2% MM fund - who gets paid first and who gets paid last?
Can i check if this is still up to date advice? On their website, it does call out....Question - Does FSCS still cover me?. Answer - Yes. If Trading 212 fails, the value of your assets is protected up to £85,000 by the FSCS. This is under the 'pay interest on cash' section.
This is from the FAQ’s
Where we hold your money with a bank, you are protected by the FSCS up to a limit of £85,000. Learn more about how your money is protected here.
Money placed with a QMMF is treated as an investment and not as money held with a bank. In the unlikely event that the QMMF fails to maintain their low-risk strategy, as with any investment, the protection will not be available. We carefully select all QMMFs to ensure that they are highly liquid, stable in value and maintain their highly regulated status.
So i have 20k imvested in stocks in trading 212. I switched the 5.2% interest on when i had spare funds. Is my invested cash still protected?
No longer protected by the FSCS. That's the catch with qualifying money market funds.
Invested cash (stocks and shares) isn’t protected by the FSCS anyway. You own those stocks, not T212
Did you not watch the video?
@@OH2023-cj9if tbf the video doesnt really cover that qu. Investments aren't covered by FSCS anywhere. Sounds like waiting cash would be if you dont opt in.
Your 20k is gone I am afraid.
I have an interesting question if anyone is willing to share an opinion.
Say you have 50,000 that you want to put into the S&P 500. statically lump sum wins DCA more often than not in terms of returns, but I’m lead to believe that those studies are assuming no interest on the spare cash while DCAing.
What if while you DCA you park the spare cash in trading212 for the 5.2% interest?
You could DCA the lump sum as well? Leave it as cash and then 2000 per month into the S&P
Yea but can only put 20k in a isa per tax year
Don't use abbreviations, you might know what they mean, no one else does.
Plain language will do.
Hi, in the entire video, you didn't explain if this interest is taxable if it's more than £500. Can you please clarify this? Thanks.
It is in their GIA and not in their isa
Are they SIPC protected
No, but Robinhood is.
@@chris-jh4cx no one using robbing hood brother
Set up 212 account started with cash isa never seen any QMMF pop up but when I set up stock isa I then got the pop up telling me about QMMF
QMMFs are only used in the stocks ISA, not the Cash ISA.
cash isa = bank account fcs protected. Uninvested cash in stocks and shares isa =QMF not FCS protected
Trading 212 offer stocks and shares isa and normal savings isas. I have the 5.2 savings isas and it shows you which banks your money is in ( barcleys,natwest and jp morgan in my case )..... If you go stocks and shares isa then your money goes into funds and it is more like investing, so do some serious homework before you make a descision on this one although long term the returns will be better than a standard isa. Just gotta trust the process.
So if your lose the FCFS protection on the "uninvested cash" when earning the 5% interest rate. Are you still protected on your invested cash?
No because it’s invested into something, the investment could go up or down or the company could go bankrupt, ultimately leaving you with nothing
@robson15rc yeah I get that but for instance if Trading 212 went bankrupt one day.. would I get my invested cash back?
@@crg92 they should move to another provider I believe but I can’t remember what the exact procedure is, because you have actually bought the underlying asset.
@@crg92Your shares would be safe. Trading212 don't own your shares, it could take a couple weeks to get them back.
Hello all .. can someone help me please .. what interest can i exoect if i put, say £10,000, in a 212 trading account for say a period of 30 days?
Thanking you in advance
about £43 (in 12 months you would get £520 on £10000 at 5.2% so divide that £520 by 12)
T212 will tell you how much daily interest you can expect for the amount you put in
Trading 212 say they have plans to launch a cash isa at the same rate in May.
trading 212 seems don’t offer cash ISA right now?
... but do now! Is the Cash ISA FSCS protected (as opposed to the uninvested funds in the S&S ISA pot)?
Hi Andy please could you cover their new T212 debit card in an upcoming video, I have been considering it and would like to know your thoughts
Second this!
@@hollybfilm2967 he's done this now check his channel
Chip isa now 5.10%.
They also want access to your other account and watch how you spend your money. If that doesn't scream alarm bells nothing will.
20k in NS&i or 20k in 212 for the interest?
212 definitely for stocks and shares isa.
It's wrong about losing the FSCS protection. You don't with the cash that is "in the bank" - it's in their FAQ. Mine has been 100% bank since I transferred my ISA a couple of months ago, apart from today when I sold some shares and it's dropped to 92%. I expect it to move back up towards 100% in the coming days.
Thanks for this video, I've decided not to enable this due to losing FSCS protection, that's really shady
You don't need it, most will pay £20,000 IN and use it straight away to invest.
Thank you - great info
About 80% into this YT video you verified what I presumed to be the case - this financial service company is in the UK. My request for you and all similar UA-camrs is to state right at the beginning of the video what jurisdiction you are educating about. US, Canadian, Australian - they all make this same ommission.
Are you using your annual ISA limit by parking cash into this account? Also, are there any fees for this?
Yes, uninvested cash also makes up part of your ISA utilisation, and no, there are no fees I am aware of.
Lots of decent information, thank you. 👍🏻 Question: is the daily interest you receive directly available? In other words: do you see the cash amount getting higher each day?
Yes,you receive interest everyday after 22.00,and cash amount getting higher each day.I have an account with them.
Hungary has 7% is this better or will I end up losing money from switching back over
Yes that’s how it works, don’t do FX
Great video, thank you
Well done Andy
Is it just the cash sitting in the account that’s not protected or the stocks and shares as well.
How about 6.5% with nationwide??
So the whole amount including the bank savings but isn’t covered ? 212 say it is ,
Is it covered by Fca insurance policy?
No
Chase has 5.1% I’ll stick to that for now
Great vid! Thanks for the breakdown
The Ulster Bank loyalty saver account pays 5.2% if your balance is over £5000, not up to £3000 which I think you mentioned
Interest is paid daily as well
Trade Republic gives 4% interest rate with easy access too, is it the same case you're covering here?
You also have an extra step to get that interest so im wondering if it's the same case as here.
Do you know much about CSH2 which I believe is a money market fund also? I think its about 5.1% so very similar for people on other platforms?
It's a MMF I use it on interactive brokers, it tracks the SONIA rate of the bank of england essentially.
Lightyear is 4.5% they take a 0.75% fee. not sure of its put into a MMF though
Il est impossible de retirer ses profits sur trading 212 car en 2024 on ne peut retirer que la somme déposé par mode de paiement
You have forgot the 20% witholding tax in a general investment account that T212 implement. That puts is at 4.1% unless you use an isa
No withholding tax in the U.K
@@cianog Read the terms and conditions, they withhold 20% to pay to hmrc
@@ElectricWatts MMFs in a isa are tax free.
His first comment literally said “unless you use an ISA”..
They do not pay HMRC as there is no requirement to or agreement between T212 and HMRC to collect tax on their behalf. If T212 are telling you they do, it needs investigating when you get a tax bill.
I had my tax code adjusted because no bank or savings provider pays your tax for you in the UK. They INFORM HMRC how much interest you make as that IS a legal requirement.
It's for the person to pay tax, so I would send your evidence about T212 to FCA for urgent investigation.
do you only lose FCFS on the saving element? Investments are still protected right?
So quick question if anyone can answer. If I deposit £1000 with T 212 and activate the interest payment. How much will they pay me at the end of first day ?
About 13p a day
How is it 13p a day? Is it 5.2% annually? So £52 a year for the initial £1000 split over 365 days is well 14p really @@elementary101Music
@@elementary101Musicis this money safe\ protected in T212 ?
@becleverwithyourcash thank you for your review. Are you sure that uninvested cash under interest earning option is not covered by FSCS? I saw comments saying that as long as it's under 85K it is still protected.
Why is it all so complicated, why can't you just put your money, invest, get a return, enjoy your money, rinse and repeat 🙃??
ISA cash interest isn't worth the hassle compared to Stocks ISA
You will earn a lot more in the long term with fund investment.
Just to simplify it, if you had £100,00 in Cash ISA and earned 5% AER, by the end of the annual return your money would be £105,000.
You will make a lot more with Stocks ISA.
I dont lose FSCS protection on the ETFs I hold do I just uninvested cash?
Just in the uninvested cash
ETFs are not covered by FSCS, only UK investments are covered and ETFs are domiciled in Ireland.
I can't believe how many people have difficulty understanding what I thought was a very clear plain language explanation.
Watch the video!
Why does everyone post the same question and want the answer typed out over and over.
What is it you all don't understand?
But if held in isa…..don’t pay 20% income tax
better than leaving your money in natiowide bank and getting nothing. I just opened robinhood UK it has 5.0% mate
6:35
that speed at the end of the video made me laugh so hard!
I appreciate you are not an investing channel, but if I might add, a lot of money market funds are currently paying closer to 5.5%. This is essentially a MMF with poor terms.
I'm thinking to put some cash in stocks, I was at Salt Shack and i overheard some friends saying its ripe enough, but Is this a good time to buy stocks? I’ve been sitting on over $545K equity from a home sale and I’m not sure where to go from here, is it a good time to buy into stocks or do I wait for another opportunity?
Off course, but Just because there are opportunities in the market doesn’t mean you should go in blindly. To understand the potential factors that contribute to your financial growth, I'll advise you to seek the help of a professional.
Agreed, It's essential to diversify your portfolio. While quality stocks are a solid foundation, you should also consider other assets to spread risk. Thankfully, I can attest to the success of this approach aided by professional guidance seeing my portfolio of $330k grow by 15% this year alone... maybe you should do the same.
Thanks, really useful video!
I opened a Cash ISA with Trading 212 and didn't see any "i want interest" button?