Dear David, I like this post. I am 70 years old. Shoot 50's cameras. I and my wife live the truth every day. Be safe, and all of your followers. I am having a Canadian beer. Love your show. Peace Tom Cocktail sounds great!
Love the idea David! Thanks for being real with us, and I love the idea of cameras and cocktails! Would love to hear more of your opinions on the broader non-photography world as well
Congratulations about the job, David. An after dark show sounds like a great way to move forward. As for the nature of truth on the internet, I stand with you in your lack of a satisfying answer.
I'd say if you're interested in truth, then observe phenomenal reality, follow your intuitions about what it's telling you, and ignore the sea of narratives generated and regurgitated by others.
Weird..... my wife and I were talking about all of this at lunch today. The future of AI and the media/creativity and what is ‘truth’ scares the crap out of me. Those who downplay its ramifications for society going forward are burying their head in the sand. Sh**s about to get real.....
I'd say keep with the coffee as it's not as bad for you. I teach teens on a daily basis and they really don't know which end is up anymore. Scary. They will be taking care of me when I'm old.
I'm a tea person, I hope that I'll still be allowed to be here 😊. Truth is a fluent thing, but with fact checking you can come close, but there are things which will still be splitting hairs as it is something which is not measurable. As I was told in school; if you can't fact check it, then it not worth discussing. But humans are humans we will discuss things until doomsday just because. Art is not something which is you can define, photography is a different thing - there are people who use scissors when do nature macro photography to remove grass, and there are people who say that if you do that then it is no longer nature photos. It comes down to ethics, and that will be a never ending discussion. I do like your channel, as you try to argue your opinions - and that allow the viewer to have their opinion.
We welcome tea drinkers for certain. :D And yes, one of my photography professors was a macro and inset photographer and he refused to damage plants, and taught us to do that, too. He used to carry some small disc magnets so that he could weigh down grass or something like that if he needed to. His rule, and I adopted this, too, was that if it was already dead -- like a downed branch or some dry grass that dropped its seeds -- then it's fine to remove it. But don't hard something living if as all possible.
As a scientist I am terribly saddened by this erosion of truth. There are very real, terrible consequences that will result, consequences that could have been avoided. Perhaps a good time to drink that cocktail! At least the film negative provides some physical proof, suspect film photography may be more valued soon!
Its hard to believe anything in this world anymore starting from our leadership and working down. A lot of us never answer our phones anymore either, unless we are expecting a call. Spoofed emails are common also. Basically, I have no answers. I do enjoy your videos though, even if you are real or not.
More than truth, photography lately is making me question reality. Everything we see and touch is real but is the real we experience truly reality? But I do admit I am asking a lot of, probably to many, questions recently. As always I wish you and yours well and safe journeys onwards.
Thank you, Dave. I am with you and I find myself asking questions I never struggled with often, especially on this subject. I try to remind myself that it's a sign I haven't checked out yet and still care enough to occasionally ask what the heck is going on.
Dave -- sounds like a great plan for evening videos *BUT* you need to come in the house, on camera, like Mister Rogers and change your shoes and put on a cardigan.... 😁
In my first encounter with digital image manipulation, which was grabbing frames from a robot mounted camera. The *entire* purpose of the assignment we'd been given was to see if there was, or wasn't a ping pong ball in frame, and if it wasn't, issue instructions to the robot to help find it. If it was we needed to direct the robot so it could pick it up. As a result almost all the images produced weren't what was there, but useful representations/abstractions of the original image, which in its original form was essentially useless. In my normal photography I tend not to edit much, but I do like to sometimes make heavy use of shadows when using contrasty film to create interesting silhouette images not entirely dissimilar to the intermediate processing ones I created for robot vision. I've not had a Facebook account for getting close to a decade now, before then I'd mostly used it as part of my job and had really started to despise it. This is now the only online platform I post on.
That's fascinating about the robot work. It's always amazing to me what we CAN do with technology when we want to do something good with it. That's a good call on the FB account. Here and Imgur are the only places I actually enjoy posting.
@@DavidHancock I don't share any images online. Sometimes I think I should, but there are so many people doing it already and my work isn't *that* interesting. At the moment I can't afford to take the off piste photos I'd like to as well as the ones I normally do, which I still find really interesting. I'd just like to spend more time being experimental on film than I have been in the last couple of years.
It is actually unbearable that you cannot trust anything anymore. Even authorities we are depending on. For analog photos - when you are using camera scanning, you are free to do anything afterwards.
I concur, especially with the post-digitization of negatives. It's something I struggle with, too, because of the nature of my reviews. How much editing is too much editing? Cloning out a dust particle, just fine. Adjusting contrast and colors, just fine. What about cloning out a trash can? I think that's fine, but at what point does the editing start to show what software can do versus a camera, lens, or film stock.
About fact-checking; the best lies are half truths anyway. So whether it's a digital image or Bots on FB, it will be more and more difficult to trust anything. As for your series update, why choose only one? Cameras & Coffee & Cocktails, or maybe just CC&C. Please tell me mixing it up won't scare subs away.
I don't think a change here would scare anyone away. My big fear was that, since I've known a number of people in recovery over the years, that anyone out there in recovery could find themselves in a position of declining to watch to avoid temptation. I don't want want that for anyone. But ultimately, for the channel writ large, no one series is the big one any more. There is some limited overlap in the viewerships of the video subjects, but interestingly there are discrete names that pop up on different video types over and over. Our conversations are a perfect example of that. And frankly, that's what I've worked toward. I don't want this channel to be a one-trick pony. So I don't think that making a change in format to this series will causally result in a mass unsubscribe event.
Why not both. My coffee to alcohol ratio has to be 100:1. I don't mind either, but I'll probably be drinking coffee while watching either. at the risk of sounding pretentious, I'd need you to define "real" or real human being if you're talking strictly about bots/ai, then we can try to figure out some parameters. I do not like what the internet has become(course I don't like society much as a whole, just the throwback hunter gatherer genes we label as ADHD, im built for a tribe and something to do today to help everyone that needs it, not grow crops and sit around scheming and plotting my brain goes squirrely).
Good point. By real, I mean you could walk up to me and shake my hand were we in the same room. I could probably put a carajillo on the early menu list. That's a bit of both.
Yeah, that was a new term that I heard less than a month ago (not sure how I missed it for so long). That kept coming up as I read up on this to try and have an opinion on it which flirted with partially informed. :D
Truth is what we can know from real lived experience and what we can measure repeatably. Not convoluted theory from on high or "accepted knowledge" via education and media . eg The real earth is not a globe in outer space. Why did you think the "fact checkers" knew what the Truth is?
Meta suppressed a lot of truth during the last few years. I'm glad to see that changing. (I'm in favor of cocktails, but mix in non-alcoholic versions of them too, maybe?)
Oh I don't think that's changing. If anything, they're opening the floodgates on unverifiable falsehoods, which will eclipse the truth quickly. Lies travel with the speed of a wildfire in high winds on a dry plain. Truth travels with the speed of a gently rising ocean tide, generally arriving long after the damage from the lies is already done.
Why should truth be engineered by a company via fact checking? How does that evolve humanity's pursuit of truth in any meaningful way. We are not machines and will never respond well to a 'set program' or a set truth. Things change and evolve on a societal level all the way down to the individual. Truth is organic and will be as it needs to be for the people who search it out. Do not mistake me, truth exists and is important, but it could/should never be the mandate of a few engineers in silicon valley. It does sound pretty messed up not to differentiate bots from humans, though. That will probably be their new way of 'fact checking.' They could have bots flooding whatever 'truth' they want to push into the comments and posts. Hoping the new job will be a good fit for you!
@DavidHancock it will be so difficult to tell apart real from fake digital pictures that in the quest for authenticity people will turn to film to make "real" photos. I am kind of quoting Ari Jaaksi from "Shoot on Film" UA-cam channel that in one of his videos explains the concept much better than me. Even though he talks more broadly about photography in general. 🙂
@@gianlusc I think @gianlusc is right. We all have to submit to what is true and real, or reality will smack us around until it forces us to admit what is real. Film provides the hard-to-alter negative as physical proof, very valuable in these lying times.
Dear David, I like this post. I am 70 years old. Shoot 50's cameras. I and my wife live the truth every day. Be safe, and all of your followers. I am having a Canadian beer. Love your show. Peace Tom Cocktail sounds great!
Thank you, Tom!
Truth is the REAL WORLD!
Love the idea David! Thanks for being real with us, and I love the idea of cameras and cocktails! Would love to hear more of your opinions on the broader non-photography world as well
Congratulations about the job, David. An after dark show sounds like a great way to move forward. As for the nature of truth on the internet, I stand with you in your lack of a satisfying answer.
Thank you, Pete!
Works for me!! “I make a wicked Old Fashioned!” That gave me a chuckle.
I'd say if you're interested in truth, then observe phenomenal reality, follow your intuitions about what it's telling you, and ignore the sea of narratives generated and regurgitated by others.
seas lay level. ;)
Weird..... my wife and I were talking about all of this at lunch today. The future of AI and the media/creativity and what is ‘truth’ scares the crap out of me. Those who downplay its ramifications for society going forward are burying their head in the sand. Sh**s about to get real.....
Dude, we're living in the post-truth era. Have been for years now.
I'd say keep with the coffee as it's not as bad for you. I teach teens on a daily basis and they really don't know which end is up anymore. Scary. They will be taking care of me when I'm old.
This is scary... I share your feelings :)
I always thought you were a bot! :) Congrats on the new gig! I don’t drink but if your topic is of interest, I’ll watch.
I'm a tea person, I hope that I'll still be allowed to be here 😊. Truth is a fluent thing, but with fact checking you can come close, but there are things which will still be splitting hairs as it is something which is not measurable. As I was told in school; if you can't fact check it, then it not worth discussing. But humans are humans we will discuss things until doomsday just because.
Art is not something which is you can define, photography is a different thing - there are people who use scissors when do nature macro photography to remove grass, and there are people who say that if you do that then it is no longer nature photos. It comes down to ethics, and that will be a never ending discussion.
I do like your channel, as you try to argue your opinions - and that allow the viewer to have their opinion.
We welcome tea drinkers for certain. :D And yes, one of my photography professors was a macro and inset photographer and he refused to damage plants, and taught us to do that, too. He used to carry some small disc magnets so that he could weigh down grass or something like that if he needed to. His rule, and I adopted this, too, was that if it was already dead -- like a downed branch or some dry grass that dropped its seeds -- then it's fine to remove it. But don't hard something living if as all possible.
As a scientist I am terribly saddened by this erosion of truth. There are very real, terrible consequences that will result, consequences that could have been avoided. Perhaps a good time to drink that cocktail! At least the film negative provides some physical proof, suspect film photography may be more valued soon!
Sounds like a good plan!!
Congrats on the new job. Personally I am a coffee guy and have enjoyed the various coffee descriptions over the years in this segment.
Thank you, Ross! I do hope to keep with the morning editions when I can.
Its hard to believe anything in this world anymore starting from our leadership and working down. A lot of us never answer our phones anymore either, unless we are expecting a call. Spoofed emails are common also. Basically, I have no answers. I do enjoy your videos though, even if you are real or not.
Thank you!
Hi David, please stay with the coffee, like it is.
I'll send him some good Russian coffee (while I fondle my Ukrainian 50mm lens for my Canon 7).
More than truth, photography lately is making me question reality. Everything we see and touch is real but is the real we experience truly reality? But I do admit I am asking a lot of, probably to many, questions recently. As always I wish you and yours well and safe journeys onwards.
Thank you, Dave. I am with you and I find myself asking questions I never struggled with often, especially on this subject. I try to remind myself that it's a sign I haven't checked out yet and still care enough to occasionally ask what the heck is going on.
Cameras and Cocktails works for me. Good luck with the new job.
Dave -- sounds like a great plan for evening videos *BUT* you need to come in the house, on camera, like Mister Rogers and change your shoes and put on a cardigan.... 😁
:D
I would love to get your recipe for old fashioned.
I'll do that one first. :D I'll include the recipes in the video notes.
In my first encounter with digital image manipulation, which was grabbing frames from a robot mounted camera. The *entire* purpose of the assignment we'd been given was to see if there was, or wasn't a ping pong ball in frame, and if it wasn't, issue instructions to the robot to help find it. If it was we needed to direct the robot so it could pick it up.
As a result almost all the images produced weren't what was there, but useful representations/abstractions of the original image, which in its original form was essentially useless.
In my normal photography I tend not to edit much, but I do like to sometimes make heavy use of shadows when using contrasty film to create interesting silhouette images not entirely dissimilar to the intermediate processing ones I created for robot vision.
I've not had a Facebook account for getting close to a decade now, before then I'd mostly used it as part of my job and had really started to despise it. This is now the only online platform I post on.
That's fascinating about the robot work. It's always amazing to me what we CAN do with technology when we want to do something good with it.
That's a good call on the FB account. Here and Imgur are the only places I actually enjoy posting.
@@DavidHancock I don't share any images online. Sometimes I think I should, but there are so many people doing it already and my work isn't *that* interesting. At the moment I can't afford to take the off piste photos I'd like to as well as the ones I normally do, which I still find really interesting. I'd just like to spend more time being experimental on film than I have been in the last couple of years.
It is actually unbearable that you cannot trust anything anymore. Even authorities we are depending on.
For analog photos - when you are using camera scanning, you are free to do anything afterwards.
I concur, especially with the post-digitization of negatives. It's something I struggle with, too, because of the nature of my reviews. How much editing is too much editing? Cloning out a dust particle, just fine. Adjusting contrast and colors, just fine. What about cloning out a trash can? I think that's fine, but at what point does the editing start to show what software can do versus a camera, lens, or film stock.
Ah yes, the most simple question one can ask in the morning over coffee 😂
When there's nothing photographic to talk about, it's best to stick to small, easy questions. :D
@DavidHancock on my daily elevator ride at work I tend to also stick to light subjects like the afterlife and taxes
About fact-checking; the best lies are half truths anyway. So whether it's a digital image or Bots on FB, it will be more and more difficult to trust anything. As for your series update, why choose only one? Cameras & Coffee & Cocktails, or maybe just CC&C. Please tell me mixing it up won't scare subs away.
I don't think a change here would scare anyone away. My big fear was that, since I've known a number of people in recovery over the years, that anyone out there in recovery could find themselves in a position of declining to watch to avoid temptation. I don't want want that for anyone. But ultimately, for the channel writ large, no one series is the big one any more. There is some limited overlap in the viewerships of the video subjects, but interestingly there are discrete names that pop up on different video types over and over. Our conversations are a perfect example of that. And frankly, that's what I've worked toward. I don't want this channel to be a one-trick pony. So I don't think that making a change in format to this series will causally result in a mass unsubscribe event.
On a lighter note: how about Cameras and Club Sandwiches? Make it a lunch show?
:D I wish I had the calorie budget for that.
As long as they are real cocktails not mocktails, LOL
Look, it's gonna booze or water. :D But for real, week nights, I do tend to go mocktails. Friday night, I'm not above a beer or a cocktail.
Why not both. My coffee to alcohol ratio has to be 100:1. I don't mind either, but I'll probably be drinking coffee while watching either.
at the risk of sounding pretentious, I'd need you to define "real" or real human being if you're talking
strictly about bots/ai, then we can try to figure out some parameters. I do not like what the internet has become(course I don't like society much as a whole, just the throwback hunter gatherer genes we label as ADHD, im built for a tribe and something to do today to help everyone that needs it, not grow crops and sit around scheming and plotting my brain goes squirrely).
Good point. By real, I mean you could walk up to me and shake my hand were we in the same room.
I could probably put a carajillo on the early menu list. That's a bit of both.
Dead. Internet. Theory.
Yeah, that was a new term that I heard less than a month ago (not sure how I missed it for so long). That kept coming up as I read up on this to try and have an opinion on it which flirted with partially informed. :D
Truth is what we can know from real lived experience and what we can measure repeatably. Not convoluted theory from on high or "accepted knowledge" via education and media . eg The real earth is not a globe in outer space. Why did you think the "fact checkers" knew what the Truth is?
Ill take a Kir Cassis or Bellini.
@@monsieurgolem3392 both of those sound delightful.
@DavidHancock hell yea they are, lol.
puppy kisses
John 18:38.
What is truth?
(Answer: John 14:6)
Meta suppressed a lot of truth during the last few years. I'm glad to see that changing. (I'm in favor of cocktails, but mix in non-alcoholic versions of them too, maybe?)
Oh I don't think that's changing. If anything, they're opening the floodgates on unverifiable falsehoods, which will eclipse the truth quickly. Lies travel with the speed of a wildfire in high winds on a dry plain. Truth travels with the speed of a gently rising ocean tide, generally arriving long after the damage from the lies is already done.
Why should truth be engineered by a company via fact checking? How does that evolve humanity's pursuit of truth in any meaningful way.
We are not machines and will never respond well to a 'set program' or a set truth. Things change and evolve on a societal level all the way down to the individual.
Truth is organic and will be as it needs to be for the people who search it out. Do not mistake me, truth exists and is important, but it could/should never be the mandate of a few engineers in silicon valley.
It does sound pretty messed up not to differentiate bots from humans, though. That will probably be their new way of 'fact checking.' They could have bots flooding whatever 'truth' they want to push into the comments and posts.
Hoping the new job will be a good fit for you!
I know. I have no idea who the arbiter of truth in our society should be. I can say I don't think it should be tech bros.
AI is the best thing that could happen to film photography.
@@gianlusc you have the floor, so I'm curious about your explanation.
@DavidHancock it will be so difficult to tell apart real from fake digital pictures that in the quest for authenticity people will turn to film to make "real" photos. I am kind of quoting Ari Jaaksi from "Shoot on Film" UA-cam channel that in one of his videos explains the concept much better than me. Even though he talks more broadly about photography in general. 🙂
@@gianlusc I think @gianlusc is right. We all have to submit to what is true and real, or reality will smack us around until it forces us to admit what is real. Film provides the hard-to-alter negative as physical proof, very valuable in these lying times.