I have tried finding help on what I should do with these big blisters and you hit it out of the park with this video. Now I feel way more confident with this customers pool I am currently prepping for epoxy. I really appreciate the helpful tips. Thank you!
Your video was so informative, I would gladly pay you to consult with my pool needs. I'm in CA and NO ONE wants to work these days. They just want to brush and go. I've literally drained, and chiseled out a bunch of bubbles. And your video gave me the confidence that I'm on the right track. Thank you!
Pro Tip: The Leslie patch material is essentially equivalent to, if not the same formulation as, a product call Cement All. It's a high density concrete grout that dries very fast, but very hard. Good stuff, but mix in small quantities until you're used to working with it.
If that is the case, I wonder if the Rapid Set “Set Control” will work with it so that you have more time to do patches per batch. Cement All is great, but it’s also powdered panic attack in a bag if you’re trying to use it in the Texas summer heat. Set Control made it much more manageable and also helped prevent the larger patches from cracking while drying. I know it says it won’t crack, but the Texas summer doesn’t care what your spec sheet says.
good job!...you say this video was kinda vague and not as detailed as ypu would've liked but i found it very informative and explanatory...i also could not find other videos about this particular issue and you referenced common easy to obtain materials from Leslie pool supplies!...perfect!...thanks
I have a pool that i am going to do some plaster repairs on. How do i know if i have to sand it? Like what you did? I dont think there is any epoxy on my pool.
Thanks, very useful infos, I'm working on my pool, drained and high pressure washed, next TSP wash clean and dry for paint to be arrived. I have some cracks on the spa, green algae under the top layer, have to remove and clean it.
The only video I've found helpful. Quick question tho. If I have flaking/spalling spots but don't hear the hollow sound when tapping it, can I just put some type of resin putty on top to smooth it out or buff it up and double coat with epoxy paint?
Thank you for this video! No one to help with pool issues where we live so its much appreciated ! Our pool is from the 80"s and we are getting ready to paint it for the first time. We found one thin crack about 10" long and it sounds hollow 6-8" all around it. Do we need to remove the entire area that sounds hollow or just the immediate area near the crack? Using EZ patch to repair it, then will sand & TSP it before using acrylic paint. No long periods of dryness here, so we thought acrylic would be best. Thanks!
Hey Craig, what sand pad did you use in this video? Also was very curious to hear what you did with the small minor blisters that the owner didn’t want patched - how did you go about those? Did you just lightly smooth them out and paint over it with the epoxy?
Yeah all the other blisters they did not want to fix were left in place but it need to be understood that there would be no warranty as I could not guarantee these other blisters would not pop or crack
My pool only is plastered, there is no paint over the plaster. Do i still have to sand the entire pool before painting with epoxy? Also do you recommend leslies brand of paint?
Yes .. you still have to sand the pool .. it taked off the top layer of oils and stuff from your water while adding a rough surface for the paint to grab ahold of.. and thats what I used in this video was leslies paint... I used th 2 part epoxy which was if I remeber right around $80 a gallon.. and I used around 6 gallons..
Brand new homeowner here bought a pool that has a couple craters like the ones you shown now I’ve been researching around the internet and can’t get an answer so can I buy “Rapid set cement all” and paint over it? Or does this have to be a plaster mix?
@@Tech360Dallas what’s the best plaster out there I can get like in those big bags ? What I don’t understand is Leslie patch it describes it as a “pool cement”
What about egg shelling plaster that has some years on it and was never painted? Can the bad spots just be patched like you did here, and then use the epoxy paint like you also did? I'm assuming the epoxy paint would smooth over the egg shelling plaster pretty good, no? I'm just hoping not to have re-plastering as my only option...Thanks in advance.
If it’s coming back up from your drain you have a leak somewhere, Because that would be water coming back from your filter. If your lines and valves along with your filter were airtight it should not drain back to the pool, BUT! .. In that case you can drain your filter off and let the water finish draining back to the pool and vacuum it out before starting your work
Very helpful - I feel inspired to try patching my blisters now instead of doing a complete re-plaster. I'm left with a few of questions though: 1.How the heck did you do those vertical patches with plaster that liquid? Or did you mix it thicker for those sections? 2. Almost everyone on Reddit says "No!!!!" when I ask about painting when it wasn't painted before. They say things like "it'll last only a couple of years before looking shitty and then you'll have to spend $$$ or more paint and re-painting" (maybe not so much if you do it yourself) and "the paint wears off, gets in your water and clogs your filter". So they think spending $5-10K on replastering that lasts 10+ years (mine is at 20+ years and looking no worse than the one you just did). 3. If I do good patches and paint and keep the paint refreshed could a pool basically last forever without plastering? (assuming no ground movement or underlying concrete issues) 4. Any recommendations on paint? Epoxy seems to the best and most durable - worth the extra $ but which kind? 5. If I don't want to paint are there any tricks to getting plaster patches to blend in? I had someone patch a few small areas last year with Leslies PatchIt and most of solid but still stand out as not matching?
Yes if you have the funds replastering would be the better bet over painting, But this specific customer was not going to have the funds very soon so this would give him about 3 to 4 years to save before it’s time to redo it, The paint i used I got from Leslie’s pool supply and it is a two-part Epoxy paint. And patching the walls was a bit tricky before I smear the walls I went in with a hammer drill and bit and put about 40 inch and a half holes all in it and cleaned them all out well and mixed up the plaster and let it sit until it started to cure and then hurried up and smeared it on the wall before hardened up.. Because if I would have mixed it up and smeared it on the wall it would have just ran down to the bottom of the pool but with a curing a little bit and having all the little holes in the walls it gives it something more to hang on to,, This particular customer did not want to spend much money and one of the fastest cheapest way out, But I did make it very clear to him that it was not going to be a permanent fix that it would only hold him over a few years before those patches start coming loose or areas not prepped well come loose….
Thank you for this video! My concrete pool has blisters in the paint, I’m pretty sure it would need this same job done. What’s a ballpark on much should I expect to pay for this job to be done by a pro? Thanks in advance for answering my question 🙏🏼
If you were to have the entire pool done it’s usually around 12 to 20 grand Depending on the size of the pool.. If you do it yourself blister repair it self in the materials for that will be around $100. If that.. But if your pool is painted and you have to repaint you have to take an account the price of materials for paint as well in which this pool cost me around $600 to paint myself
Ehh shouldnt.. now it may get kind of ashy feeling like when you rub your hand across it and you may get it on your hands, but it shouldn’t feel if it was put on correctly
It depended.. the first time I went through this pool and did it. I just used a black permanent marker and made an X on the bed spots I wanted to replace.. eventually I had to come back about a year later and drain it again because they did not want to fix all the bad spots the first go around and some of the others started cracking and causing problems so the second time I went back and explain to the owner that this pool is one big bad spot… so I went around with bright yellow spray paint and circled every bad spot in this pool and it was to the point that they should have just had a company come in and tear out the old plaster and re-shoot the whole pool, but they didn’t wanna spend the money and just wanted to keep patching it.. . What I was trying to explain to the owner was that the amount of money you’re paying me hourly, and the money you spend on materials you could have had at least half of this pool already re-shot and repaired, but I couldn’t get that to sync into his head..
Great Job! You are correct, all the videos are trying to sell their product. How did you come to choose Leslie's Epoxy instead of a really expensive one like AquaGuard 5000?
thank you for your awesome video.... i want repaint my moms pool with epoxy paint, the paint is all cracking. Can i just go ahead sand the entire pool down, spray with TSP and paint? or am i missing a step?
Craig, great video. My 25 year old pool is drenched with hot Florida sunshine, so my question is... Epoxy same/better/worse than Rubberized flex finishing primer/paint? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.
great vid i am gonna sand my pool and epoxy coat it what sanding discs are you using to scuff the plaster ? i have a 2500 rpm sander milwaukee car buffer that pretty HD just curious as the discs i used dulled real fast on the plaster thanks in advance
You can if the patches a little rough looking on the surface,, Because sometimes it hardens a pretty rough so you can go over it and send it down a bit to make it a little more smoother and blend in with the rest of the pool
A link to your products and how much used would be nice. I have no idea how big my pool is and how many gallons of paint it will take after I'm done but it's got a very nice long crack in the plaster that runs the full length of the pool it probably hasn't been done in 10 years so it's overdue....
I'm not Craig but you can measure and take a good estimate of square footage. If your pool isn't rectangular that will be harder but divide it into a few approximate rectangles measure and add up - its going to be between 50 and 100% of that depending on how curvy it is. Products will tell you on the label what the "coverage" is which is how many square feet they cover per gallon. Allow for two coats if the paint requires it.
Hey bud, is there anyway you could describe how to find out what paint was used prior? I have a concrete pool/pond and want to repaint it but don't know how to determine what paint was used
.. Well sometimes depending on the builder, Or original specs of the pool, Sometimes they do not paint them at all, They make the concrete bowl and then spray Plaster over the concrete and fill it up.. The most common paint is Epoxy, Being it is very durable and can last many years if applied correctly.. But Epoxy paint is pretty smooth and a pool that has not been painted is rough. Like if you can skin your toes on the bottom of the pool it’s more than likely not painted..
Great video. What if the pool has Acrylic paint? Would the process be different? Does Acrylic need sanding or can I just acid wash then TSP then rinse, let it dry and then paint? Any thought or do you have a video about Acrylic? I am painting Acrylic onto an already Acrylic painted pool.
Yes.. That’s what this pool was,a plaster pool, It has some blisters and mild cracking so I just hit the surface with a sanding wheel Just the scuff up the surface a bit. Rinsed it all down.. let dry COMPLETLY! LIKE GIVE IT A DAY OR 2 BEFOR PAINTING… Because if you rinse the pool down and just let it dry for an hour or two, Do you want to make sure the plaster is very dry or the Epoxy paint will come loose. There are a lot of pores in plaster, So you need to make sure that plaster is 100% dry before you apply primer and the paint or if you do not, then When the water starts to evaporate out of the plaster it rises and gets in between the plaster and the Apoxsee paint and creates a blister which is basically an air pocket and as soon as someone’s foot or something hits it it will crack it and then water gets Back onto the plaster and spreads throughout the entire pool until the entire pool plaster is soaked with water again and the paint comes loose
a.co/d/h53pbqe You can order it on amazon or go to leslie pool supply and pick it up .. this is the bigger bucket of the stuff. But they do have smaller backets
So it’s normal to have water underneath the plaster? I saw water underneath or inside my plaster bubbles and started to freak out. And wondering where the leak is at. Should I worry? Thanks man!
You will have water to some degree in between the concrete and plaster.. But when it becomes a problem is when the plaster separates from the concrete. The easiest way to tell is like I did in the video and the pool is drained get something and tap around on all the walls and flooring and once you have that hollow sound that is a bad spot that will need to come out eventually.. But if you don’t have the money or time to repair it as long as there are no cracks where that blister is you can probably get by with it for another couple years..
My pool is concrete but I think there is a layer of plaster on top. Because when I went to power wash it chips of the plaster started coming off. My question is do I fill in those bad patches first then acid wash or vice versa. Also do you think I need to sand my whole pool? It’s pretty much in good shape other than the parts I blasted with water
Honestly if the parts that had shipped off are not that big and don’t think it will be that noticeable you could just paint over it, But if it’s a pretty deep gouge then maybe do a plaster patch and then you’re gonna want to acid wash the pool and then TSP wash. Tri sodium phosphate Which neutralize the acid that may get left behind in the pores of the plaster. But I would definitely recommend doing a light acid washing just to remove any kind of Greece or film that may be on the plaster that would cause the paint not to stick properly and come back up
@@Tech360Dallas thank you bro. One last question. I think I have black algae. My pool is already drained but there are faint black spots everywhere. But even with the pressure washer it wouldn’t go away. Would the acid wash work on that?
@@cityoftrees9953 the acid should eat away most of it. Acid wash, and scrub with a chemical resistant scrub brush. Then rinse down with water hose. Then TSP wash And you should be good to go
It definitely can but if you’re draining for repairs and then that’s a sacrifice you have to make sometimes.. But it’s not like it flakes off in chunks it kind of turns ashy and when you wipe your hand down it you have white residue all over your hands.
@@PaulMcClellanmn Yeah sometimes you can just rinse off the walls with a water hose and put a sub pump in and pump it out before you start filling but by the time the pool is full again the walls are dry so yeah wouldn’t be a bad idea once it is full go along with your brush and brush the walls to get that stuff stirred up and get it out of the pool
Thanks so much for the walkthrough. How much of the “patch-it” product did you use or how much square footage does it cover? I found the 10lb bucket but can’t find anything bigger and wanted to make sure it would be enough. Thank you!
Yea thats All i could get as well, but i used probly about 15 buckets of it throughout the whole pool. It was in rough shape. But for a spot 10” round and 1 or so inches deep 1 bucket should be fine.
@@Jay-bi8kn If you’ve never done it I would get you a cup of water or something and pour a little bit into it stir it up, It will be real clumpy so you’ll have to continue adding water but just do a little bit at a time so you don’t get it too runny, If you’re making a repair on a wall you do not want it running at all you’re gonna want it kind of thick so it doesn’t run down the wall and out of the hole, But also remember the more water you add the longer it takes to dry, I think of it as pancake mix, You pour the powder into a bowl and then add a little bit of water and keep adding until it gets to the consistency you like, Once you have your whole cleaned out and wiped out and all the dust and debris out of it you will pour the mix into the hole and get something flat to smooth it out. Now when it dries it may crack and split a little bit. So you may have to go back over it with a second coat to fill in the little cracks. But in order to do that you will have to get a second bucket of this stuff. Because no matter how you mix it or how well you put the lid back on This stuff dries up hard as a rock within about a minute or so. So you don’t have long. But also the more water you add the longer it will take for it to harden up which will give you a little more time to work with it. It may take you from a minute of work time to about two minutes of working time.
a007kaz Will you don’t necessarily have to take all the paint off you mainly just want to scuff up the surface real good so the new layer of paint will stick well
This a great video! Thank you for making it! My small pool was dried for a while because I drained it because of blisters and now the whole pool needs to be replaster. I think I'm gonna do what you did but to the whole pool and put epoxy paint. You think it will work?
Great video !My pool is around 1,200 square feet, same problem as the pool you fixed, how much it gonna cost to repair and paint as you did if I hire a pro to do? Or how much to re plaster whole pool? Thanks
The epoxy paint is a 2 part paint .. when you buy 1 gallon it comes with a quart of activator.. If I remember right it was about $80 a gallon.. and this pool needed five gallons.. I also have another vid on my youtube of the overhaul on the pool ... “ Pool remodel”
Well I’m kind of curious when you say it’s a concrete pool.. If it’s a concrete pool it should have a liner or plaster over the concrete.. If it’s white plaster it’s not a must to paint it but I can help extend the life of it by a few years
Tech 360 Thank you for the reply. After some research, it’s plaster of concrete. A previous owner painted white over a previous blue color and now the white paint is chipping in some areas. I don’t think all the paint can be removed as it has been there for years. I guess the best choice is to scrape the chipping paint and prep the area to paint white again. Thanks again for the reply.
Thank you. Love the video. I have to do alot of work to my pool this spring. Im going to plaster the whole pool. Can i do 2 coats of plaster and the paint also? I think the paint you used in the video looked very nice
Craig. Great video that answered many of my questions. But I do have one more. You used Leslie's Patch It mixed thinly. Will Patch It adhere to the plaster below the blister or do I have to take the plaster out all the way down to the concrete? I appreciate your answer.
Hi Craig. Thank you once again for your video. Its helping me greatly with my pool repair. But I have another few questions. I prepped two de-laminated areas as instructed in your video, mixed the Patch It to a pancake-batter consistency, and then applied it to the two holes. All seemed to go as in your video (thank you very much) but my technique is lacking. My questions are: 1) the thin Patch It mix seemed to shrink as it dried leaving cracks in the patch. Is this to be expected? And 2) Can I add another layer of Patch It on top of the the first layer for each hole to take care of the cracks and to better finish the look of the overall patch? Thanks again for your reply.
Yes all you have to do when it starts cracking like that is just go back over it with a skim coat to fill in the cracks and yes when it does dry up it is usually hard as a rock but sandable.. Because I would usually fill the hole then once it has dried I would go back in either with a hand sander or a big grinder and smoothing it out some so it’s not as noticeable
It depends... if there is no paint on the pool then yes .. you have to use primer and let dry then paint.. BUT if you already have pint on the pool then no. Just scuff the pool up and re paint.. BUT if you have latex or any other type of paint OTHER that epoxy then u have to completely sand the whole pool down to remove it .. epoxy works with epoxy .. no other paint
When he says ‘plaster’, it is ‘cement’? In Australia we have Fibreglass and or Cement pools. Here in Australia, ‘plaster’ means dry wall for in doors, like ‘plaster walls’.... Plaster goes soggy and soft in water.
The lable on the Container says: Great for small repairs! Waterproof cement for repairing tile, pool plaster or chipped cement. Twice the strength and three times the bonding power of concrete. Works equally well under-water.
Look if your good enough, paint it once and then put your second coat. Remember an exterior pool nobody could ever guess 5 days of weather. Really it all boils down to your mixture of the paint and 2 days of dry time. If your mixture of the paint isn't right that's what causes blister. While painting keep your roller wet never dry roll. Remember your putting paint on.
But sadly I don't have the $15,000 that would take to have a professional come in chip all the plaster out get down to the original gun I put a new plaster and stuff like that so I have to do it myself suck it out clean it sand you know chip out along the crack wherever it's bad it's not leaking water so I know the gunite isn't leaking....
Because if I was to give exact grit of paper I used, and someone was to use the same thing but did it wrong And destroyed their pool then I can be hit with liability lawsuits. But if you were to take the time and go through the comments I have posted several links to the wheels that I have used.
This makes no sense, undurcutt the tile, chip ,hydralic around fittings and lights fill in hollows, bond kote, get crystal krete, or pebble . Do not paint your pool..
Yea but not everyone has that kind of money or know how.. this was just a job I did because they didnt want to pay to have the whole pool re-shot, being it has so many blisters and black staining ..
Thanks!
Thank you brotha! Much appreciated.
As a swimming pool restorer, I truly appreciate videos like this. Great video and great advice. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
I have tried finding help on what I should do with these big blisters and you hit it out of the park with this video. Now I feel way more confident with this customers pool I am currently prepping for epoxy. I really appreciate the helpful tips. Thank you!
Hey bud, Glad I could help!!
How did the project go with your customer?
Your video was so informative, I would gladly pay you to consult with my pool needs.
I'm in CA and NO ONE wants to work these days. They just want to brush and go. I've literally drained, and chiseled out a bunch of bubbles. And your video gave me the confidence that I'm on the right track. Thank you!
Glad I was able to help!!
@@Tech360Dallas Seriously. I'd love to call/text you some images. I'll pay you for your time/advice
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This was the BEST pool repair/repainting video I have ever watched! Thank you!
Glad you Enjoyed it.. share it !
Ive got a few other as well on here
@@Tech360Dallas I will most def watch those too! Thank you!!
Hi sorry I meant to ask what brand is your grinder and which wheel/grit did you use?
How much did it cost for a job like that?
thank you for this tutorial, just wondering if you can share the products and materials used on this video.
Pro Tip: The Leslie patch material is essentially equivalent to, if not the same formulation as, a product call Cement All. It's a high density concrete grout that dries very fast, but very hard. Good stuff, but mix in small quantities until you're used to working with it.
If that is the case, I wonder if the Rapid Set “Set Control” will work with it so that you have more time to do patches per batch. Cement All is great, but it’s also powdered panic attack in a bag if you’re trying to use it in the Texas summer heat. Set Control made it much more manageable and also helped prevent the larger patches from cracking while drying. I know it says it won’t crack, but the Texas summer doesn’t care what your spec sheet says.
good job!...you say this video was kinda vague and not as detailed as ypu would've liked but i found it very informative and explanatory...i also could not find other videos about this particular issue and you referenced common easy to obtain materials from Leslie pool supplies!...perfect!...thanks
Thank you, for this demo on pool refurbishedment.
I have a pool that i am going to do some plaster repairs on. How do i know if i have to sand it? Like what you did? I dont think there is any epoxy on my pool.
What kind of paper grinder do you use for sanding epoxy paint ?
This video helped me IMMENSELY! The first and only video that actually did so. Much appreciated!!!
Could you tell me which grit sandpaper wheel you used? I’ve got a bunch of 80 grit flap wheels
Diablo from home depot.. I just grabbed the grittiest paper I could find
Tech 360 thank you!
This is really helpful!! i was almost going for replaster the whole pool. This video literally give me the cheapest and easiest option. THANKS MAN!
Hey bud glad I could help..
Im in the same boat, ive got quite a few blister and i am going to go this route myself
Thanks, very useful infos, I'm working on my pool, drained and high pressure washed, next TSP wash clean and dry for paint to be arrived. I have some cracks on the spa, green algae under the top layer, have to remove and clean it.
Right on brotha!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The only video I've found helpful. Quick question tho. If I have flaking/spalling spots but don't hear the hollow sound when tapping it, can I just put some type of resin putty on top to smooth it out or buff it up and double coat with epoxy paint?
Great information I have a question will this work for outside commercial pools?
Thank you for this video! No one to help with pool issues where we live so its much appreciated ! Our pool is from the 80"s and we are getting ready to paint it for the first time. We found one thin crack about 10" long and it sounds hollow 6-8" all around it. Do we need to remove the entire area that sounds hollow or just the immediate area near the crack? Using EZ patch to repair it, then will sand & TSP it before using acrylic paint. No long periods of dryness here, so we thought acrylic would be best. Thanks!
Hey Craig, what sand pad did you use in this video? Also was very curious to hear what you did with the small minor blisters that the owner didn’t want patched - how did you go about those? Did you just lightly smooth them out and paint over it with the epoxy?
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Yeah all the other blisters they did not want to fix were left in place but it need to be understood that there would be no warranty as I could not guarantee these other blisters would not pop or crack
Hi, did you prime on area where bistered area patch up before painting
My pool only is plastered, there is no paint over the plaster. Do i still have to sand the entire pool before painting with epoxy? Also do you recommend leslies brand of paint?
Yes .. you still have to sand the pool .. it taked off the top layer of oils and stuff from your water while adding a rough surface for the paint to grab ahold of.. and thats what I used in this video was leslies paint... I used th 2 part epoxy which was if I remeber right around $80 a gallon.. and I used around 6 gallons..
Actually no .. if its plaster only and no paint .. then just acid wash and scrub and rinse with tsp or soda ash to kill the acid ..
Tech 360 thank you. This will be my project for vacations. Any tips on painting a pool deck?
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Is primer needed if pool was sanded and scuffed epoxy paint that was on it
How long should the epoxy paint last before it starts chipping?
If done correctly for about three or four years..
Brand new homeowner here bought a pool that has a couple craters like the ones you shown now I’ve been researching around the internet and can’t get an answer so can I buy “Rapid set cement all” and paint over it? Or does this have to be a plaster mix?
Cement wont match and you will see it.. plus if water gets to it, it will pop back out
@@Tech360Dallas what’s the best plaster out there I can get like in those big bags ? What I don’t understand is Leslie patch it describes it as a “pool cement”
What about egg shelling plaster that has some years on it and was never painted? Can the bad spots just be patched like you did here, and then use the epoxy paint like you also did? I'm assuming the epoxy paint would smooth over the egg shelling plaster pretty good, no? I'm just hoping not to have re-plastering as my only option...Thanks in advance.
I needed to see your work to know I was going in the right direction! Thank you so much! I will look at your other stuff this evening!
Thank you 🎉
What did you do so water from the main drain won’t come back up ?
If it’s coming back up from your drain you have a leak somewhere, Because that would be water coming back from your filter. If your lines and valves along with your filter were airtight it should not drain back to the pool, BUT! .. In that case you can drain your filter off and let the water finish draining back to the pool and vacuum it out before starting your work
Very helpful - I feel inspired to try patching my blisters now instead of doing a complete re-plaster. I'm left with a few of questions though:
1.How the heck did you do those vertical patches with plaster that liquid? Or did you mix it thicker for those sections?
2. Almost everyone on Reddit says "No!!!!" when I ask about painting when it wasn't painted before. They say things like "it'll last only a couple of years before looking shitty and then you'll have to spend $$$ or more paint and re-painting" (maybe not so much if you do it yourself) and "the paint wears off, gets in your water and clogs your filter". So they think spending $5-10K on replastering that lasts 10+ years (mine is at 20+ years and looking no worse than the one you just did).
3. If I do good patches and paint and keep the paint refreshed could a pool basically last forever without plastering? (assuming no ground movement or underlying concrete issues)
4. Any recommendations on paint? Epoxy seems to the best and most durable - worth the extra $ but which kind?
5. If I don't want to paint are there any tricks to getting plaster patches to blend in? I had someone patch a few small areas last year with Leslies PatchIt and most of solid but still stand out as not matching?
Yes if you have the funds replastering would be the better bet over painting, But this specific customer was not going to have the funds very soon so this would give him about 3 to 4 years to save before it’s time to redo it,
The paint i used I got from Leslie’s pool supply and it is a two-part Epoxy paint.
And patching the walls was a bit tricky before I smear the walls I went in with a hammer drill and bit and put about 40 inch and a half holes all in it and cleaned them all out well and mixed up the plaster and let it sit until it started to cure and then hurried up and smeared it on the wall before hardened up.. Because if I would have mixed it up and smeared it on the wall it would have just ran down to the bottom of the pool but with a curing a little bit and having all the little holes in the walls it gives it something more to hang on to,, This particular customer did not want to spend much money and one of the fastest cheapest way out, But I did make it very clear to him that it was not going to be a permanent fix that it would only hold him over a few years before those patches start coming loose or areas not prepped well come loose….
I also have another video of when I prepped the bottom of the pool and applied first coat of paint..
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what brand of sander/grinder did you use?
Thank you for this video! My concrete pool has blisters in the paint, I’m pretty sure it would need this same job done. What’s a ballpark on much should I expect to pay for this job to be done by a pro?
Thanks in advance for answering my question 🙏🏼
If you were to have the entire pool done it’s usually around 12 to 20 grand Depending on the size of the pool.. If you do it yourself blister repair it self in the materials for that will be around $100. If that.. But if your pool is painted and you have to repaint you have to take an account the price of materials for paint as well in which this pool cost me around $600 to paint myself
This video was great. It helped me out very much! Thanks!
Does the epoxy paint peel off if exposed to the sun (empty pool)
Ehh shouldnt.. now it may get kind of ashy feeling like when you rub your hand across it and you may get it on your hands, but it shouldn’t feel if it was put on correctly
What did you use to mark the areas needing repair?
Great video BTW!
It depended.. the first time I went through this pool and did it. I just used a black permanent marker and made an X on the bed spots I wanted to replace.. eventually I had to come back about a year later and drain it again because they did not want to fix all the bad spots the first go around and some of the others started cracking and causing problems so the second time I went back and explain to the owner that this pool is one big bad spot… so I went around with bright yellow spray paint and circled every bad spot in this pool and it was to the point that they should have just had a company come in and tear out the old plaster and re-shoot the whole pool, but they didn’t wanna spend the money and just wanted to keep patching it.. . What I was trying to explain to the owner was that the amount of money you’re paying me hourly, and the money you spend on materials you could have had at least half of this pool already re-shot and repaired, but I couldn’t get that to sync into his head..
Thank you!
Great Job! You are correct, all the videos are trying to sell their product. How did you come to choose Leslie's Epoxy instead of a really expensive one like AquaGuard 5000?
thank you for your awesome video.... i want repaint my moms pool with epoxy paint, the paint is all cracking. Can i just go ahead sand the entire pool down, spray with TSP and paint? or am i missing a step?
I would sand the pool down fix any cracks in the plaster Then acid wash then tsp then prime and paint
Is there a specific type of grit that you use on the grinder when you are sanding?
The roughest ones I could find
How long after the plaster repair were you able to paint over it
It all depends on the temperature outside and the humidity.
But it’s good to wait at least 12 hours Minimum to fully cure out and dry
@@Tech360Dallas thank you
Craig, great video. My 25 year old pool is drenched with hot Florida sunshine, so my question is... Epoxy same/better/worse than Rubberized flex finishing primer/paint?
Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.
Rubberized isnt bad . But soft and can be punctured and cause more problems. epoxy dries hard and I think lasts and more Durable.
great vid i am gonna sand my pool and epoxy coat it what sanding discs are you using to scuff the plaster ? i have a 2500 rpm sander milwaukee car buffer that pretty HD just curious as the discs i used dulled real fast on the plaster thanks in advance
Yea I used the “ Diablo “ sanding disks.. The real gritty ones..
Tech 360 Home Depot ? Or empire abrasives ? But cool thanks
@@Tech360Dallas the real gritty ones? What’s the grit number?
Did you sand afterwards after repairing?
You can if the patches a little rough looking on the surface,,
Because sometimes it hardens a pretty rough so you can go over it and send it down a bit to make it a little more smoother and blend in with the rest of the pool
@@Tech360Dallas did you get any dark spots when you applied the fresh paint? Where you repaired
@@SATX-JR no mine didn’t do that..
Hi what is name of product to patch ? thanks
Its called "Patch it " from leslie pool supply.
What kind of paint and color? Can I have the information please
How much did it cost?
A link to your products and how much used would be nice. I have no idea how big my pool is and how many gallons of paint it will take after I'm done but it's got a very nice long crack in the plaster that runs the full length of the pool it probably hasn't been done in 10 years so it's overdue....
I'm not Craig but you can measure and take a good estimate of square footage. If your pool isn't rectangular that will be harder but divide it into a few approximate rectangles measure and add up - its going to be between 50 and 100% of that depending on how curvy it is. Products will tell you on the label what the "coverage" is which is how many square feet they cover per gallon. Allow for two coats if the paint requires it.
@enmodo it is a large kidney shaped pool
SqFt(=)L(x)W(x)1.65
Hey bud, is there anyway you could describe how to find out what paint was used prior? I have a concrete pool/pond and want to repaint it but don't know how to determine what paint was used
.. Well sometimes depending on the builder, Or original specs of the pool, Sometimes they do not paint them at all, They make the concrete bowl and then spray Plaster over the concrete and fill it up.. The most common paint is Epoxy, Being it is very durable and can last many years if applied correctly.. But Epoxy paint is pretty smooth and a pool that has not been painted is rough. Like if you can skin your toes on the bottom of the pool it’s more than likely not painted..
Do u hv to chlorine wash, b4 powerwashing? Or just powerwash is enough b4 painting?
Yes, it was helpful. I have to do something with my pool. I'm retired, so I have the time. Thanks👍Like 786
Wow Great Job! What type of roller did you use to paint?
Just a Regular large knap paint roller
Great video. What if the pool has Acrylic paint? Would the process be different? Does Acrylic need sanding or can I just acid wash then TSP then rinse, let it dry and then paint? Any thought or do you have a video about Acrylic? I am painting Acrylic onto an already Acrylic painted pool.
With acrylic if I’m correct you were going to want to remove any loose or flaking spots and then acid wash then TSP and primer and paint.
Thank you so much you did good job... KSA ❤
So it's ok to epoxy a plaster pool, right? Shall I sand the plaster before paint?
Yes.. That’s what this pool was,a plaster pool, It has some blisters and mild cracking so I just hit the surface with a sanding wheel Just the scuff up the surface a bit. Rinsed it all down.. let dry COMPLETLY! LIKE GIVE IT A DAY OR 2 BEFOR PAINTING… Because if you rinse the pool down and just let it dry for an hour or two, Do you want to make sure the plaster is very dry or the Epoxy paint will come loose. There are a lot of pores in plaster, So you need to make sure that plaster is 100% dry before you apply primer and the paint or if you do not, then When the water starts to evaporate out of the plaster it rises and gets in between the plaster and the Apoxsee paint and creates a blister which is basically an air pocket and as soon as someone’s foot or something hits it it will crack it and then water gets Back onto the plaster and spreads throughout the entire pool until the entire pool plaster is soaked with water again and the paint comes loose
@@Tech360Dallas Thanks, I don't have a sander but a angle grinder, cannot find the right sand paper for stone or concrete, all for metal :(
@@dmtycn I’m actually about to upload another video Giving explanations to some of the questions I have received On these pool videos
@@Tech360Dallas perfect, hope I can catch up, my paint is on the way.
@@dmtycn Yea ill post it here shortly.. It will answer alot of questions and give people idea of things to be carefull with
Every time I use epoxy paint, it starts chalking and coming up on swimmers and in filter, how do you prevent this??
That's been my fear of painting - I've had loads of people say "No, no, no!"
is that an angle grinder you're using? what tool and pad is that?
It was a large 7 inch angle grinder with Diablo sanding discs.
@@Tech360Dallas Thanks! What grit? Probably a 60 or 80?
@@Paul-jp8zz you know honestly, I don’t remember it’s been a while since I’ve done that job.. I do know the grittier the better..
Link for the patch it product?
a.co/d/h53pbqe
You can order it on amazon or go to leslie pool supply and pick it up .. this is the bigger bucket of the stuff. But they do have smaller backets
Thank you!
What kind of primer was that?
Hey buddy what kind of primer did you used ?
lesliespool.com/smart-seal-rough-prime-primer-1-gallon/26649.html
How much does it cost!!!!???
So it’s normal to have water underneath the plaster? I saw water underneath or inside my plaster bubbles and started to freak out. And wondering where the leak is at. Should I worry? Thanks man!
You will have water to some degree in between the concrete and plaster.. But when it becomes a problem is when the plaster separates from the concrete. The easiest way to tell is like I did in the video and the pool is drained get something and tap around on all the walls and flooring and once you have that hollow sound that is a bad spot that will need to come out eventually.. But if you don’t have the money or time to repair it as long as there are no cracks where that blister is you can probably get by with it for another couple years..
Thank you very much!
Why did you choose Epoxy paint over a chlorinated paint?
My pool is concrete but I think there is a layer of plaster on top. Because when I went to power wash it chips of the plaster started coming off. My question is do I fill in those bad patches first then acid wash or vice versa. Also do you think I need to sand my whole pool? It’s pretty much in good shape other than the parts I blasted with water
Honestly if the parts that had shipped off are not that big and don’t think it will be that noticeable you could just paint over it, But if it’s a pretty deep gouge then maybe do a plaster patch and then you’re gonna want to acid wash the pool and then TSP wash.
Tri sodium phosphate Which neutralize the acid that may get left behind in the pores of the plaster.
But I would definitely recommend doing a light acid washing just to remove any kind of Greece or film that may be on the plaster that would cause the paint not to stick properly and come back up
@@Tech360Dallas thank you bro. One last question. I think I have black algae. My pool is already drained but there are faint black spots everywhere. But even with the pressure washer it wouldn’t go away. Would the acid wash work on that?
@@cityoftrees9953 the acid should eat away most of it.
Acid wash, and scrub with a chemical resistant scrub brush. Then rinse down with water hose. Then TSP wash
And you should be good to go
@@Tech360Dallas appreciate it 💯
New pool owner here.. I was told that leaving a pool empty for even a day will dry out the plaster and cause it to flake and scale
Thoughts ?
It definitely can but if you’re draining for repairs and then that’s a sacrifice you have to make sometimes..
But it’s not like it flakes off in chunks it kind of turns ashy and when you wipe your hand down it you have white residue all over your hands.
@@Tech360Dallas gotcha, so after filling you need to brush the sides again like a new pool
@@PaulMcClellanmn Yeah sometimes you can just rinse off the walls with a water hose and put a sub pump in and pump it out before you start filling but by the time the pool is full again the walls are dry so yeah wouldn’t be a bad idea once it is full go along with your brush and brush the walls to get that stuff stirred up and get it out of the pool
Wow, I love it! Great Video! I have a question for you. How manny Gallons of paint & hardener did you end up using?
5 gallons of paint . When you buy the paint it comes with a quart of Hardner with it
I have same job for my pool,can you doit?
Where can I buy the same paint that you used in this project?
Leslie’s pool supply
Thanks so much for the walkthrough. How much of the “patch-it” product did you use or how much square footage does it cover? I found the 10lb bucket but can’t find anything bigger and wanted to make sure it would be enough. Thank you!
Yea thats All i could get as well, but i used probly about 15 buckets of it throughout the whole pool. It was in rough shape. But for a spot 10” round and 1 or so inches deep 1 bucket should be fine.
@@Tech360Dallas thanks! What’s you’re recommended water mixing ratio to get that watery effect like you did with it here?
@@Jay-bi8kn If you’ve never done it I would get you a cup of water or something and pour a little bit into it stir it up, It will be real clumpy so you’ll have to continue adding water but just do a little bit at a time so you don’t get it too runny, If you’re making a repair on a wall you do not want it running at all you’re gonna want it kind of thick so it doesn’t run down the wall and out of the hole, But also remember the more water you add the longer it takes to dry, I think of it as pancake mix, You pour the powder into a bowl and then add a little bit of water and keep adding until it gets to the consistency you like, Once you have your whole cleaned out and wiped out and all the dust and debris out of it you will pour the mix into the hole and get something flat to smooth it out. Now when it dries it may crack and split a little bit. So you may have to go back over it with a second coat to fill in the little cracks. But in order to do that you will have to get a second bucket of this stuff. Because no matter how you mix it or how well you put the lid back on This stuff dries up hard as a rock within about a minute or so. So you don’t have long. But also the more water you add the longer it will take for it to harden up which will give you a little more time to work with it. It may take you from a minute of work time to about two minutes of working time.
@@Tech360Dallas Noted, thanks boss! 🙏🏽
@@Jay-bi8kn glad I could help!
Great video - looks like a manageable but time consuming task but worth it
great video, thank you. Quick question, what kind of disks did you use to sand the pool?
I dont remember the grit . But i think they were “Red Devil” brand i do know they were Heavy grit ..
I tried Diablo 40-grit from home depot with an orbital sander 5", it is not taking the old paint off. Should i be using grinder instead?
a007kaz Will you don’t necessarily have to take all the paint off you mainly just want to scuff up the surface real good so the new layer of paint will stick well
I see,thanks, i will continue using my sander then, thanks a lot
Thanks for this video alot of great information on here.
This a great video! Thank you for making it! My small pool was dried for a while because I drained it because of blisters and now the whole pool needs to be replaster. I think I'm gonna do what you did but to the whole pool and put epoxy paint. You think it will work?
It will not fix the problem .. but can buy you a few more years.
Great video !My pool is around 1,200 square feet, same problem as the pool you fixed, how much it gonna cost to repair and paint as you did if I hire a pro to do? Or how much to re plaster whole pool? Thanks
What did u use for fill
ADUB112 “ Patch-it “
@@Tech360Dallas what about the epoxy pool paint?
The epoxy paint is a 2 part paint .. when you buy 1 gallon it comes with a quart of activator..
If I remember right it was about $80 a gallon.. and this pool needed five gallons.. I also have another vid on my youtube of the overhaul on the pool ... “ Pool remodel”
@@Tech360Dallasand what grit sanding disk did you use?
I dont remember honestly.... i think they are the “Red Devil” brand.. and the grittyer the better..
This is really helpful!!
Thanks!
I have started on mine and i can confirm i am tracking 😉
Cool!! Hope it turns out well for you!!
Nah looked great for 1 week
Maybe didnt dry enough
Man i dunno
Alot of rework now
Oh well keeps me busy
Where are you located? We have a pool in Big Sur CA that needs this done. Maybe you and your wide (?) need a working vacation in Big Sur!
Do you have to paint a concrete pool? Can you remove the paint and just leave it?
Well I’m kind of curious when you say it’s a concrete pool.. If it’s a concrete pool it should have a liner or plaster over the concrete.. If it’s white plaster it’s not a must to paint it but I can help extend the life of it by a few years
Tech 360 Thank you for the reply. After some research, it’s plaster of concrete. A previous owner painted white over a previous blue color and now the white paint is chipping in some areas. I don’t think all the paint can be removed as it has been there for years. I guess the best choice is to scrape the chipping paint and prep the area to paint white again. Thanks again for the reply.
Can i add this over new plaster
John Dushane you can... just need to clean the spot .. and maybe even power was the spot before hand
Thank you. Love the video. I have to do alot of work to my pool this spring. Im going to plaster the whole pool. Can i do 2 coats of plaster and the paint also? I think the paint you used in the video looked very nice
My name is Jonah I plaster swimming pools from Florida will travel great prices
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@@johndushane2375 Do not paint your pool dude, get Krystal krete or pebble, you will be sorry if you paint your pool..
Mine is bad im in irving tx can you checkit out
Hello I can. I’m in San Antonio
Thanks for the how-to! Great video.
wow that was amazing
Craig. Great video that answered many of my questions. But I do have one more. You used Leslie's Patch It mixed thinly. Will Patch It adhere to the plaster below the blister or do I have to take the plaster out all the way down to the concrete? I appreciate your answer.
It will go wherever you put it if prepped correctly
@@Tech360Dallas Thanks for your prompt reply. I little vague but I get it.
Hi Craig. Thank you once again for your video. Its helping me greatly with my pool repair. But I have another few questions. I prepped two de-laminated areas as instructed in your video, mixed the Patch It to a pancake-batter consistency, and then applied it to the two holes. All seemed to go as in your video (thank you very much) but my technique is lacking. My questions are: 1) the thin Patch It mix seemed to shrink as it dried leaving cracks in the patch. Is this to be expected? And 2) Can I add another layer of Patch It on top of the the first layer for each hole to take care of the cracks and to better finish the look of the overall patch? Thanks again for your reply.
Also, it the Patch It supposed to dry to a rock hard finish or stay just a little soft?
Yes all you have to do when it starts cracking like that is just go back over it with a skim coat to fill in the cracks and yes when it does dry up it is usually hard as a rock but sandable.. Because I would usually fill the hole then once it has dried I would go back in either with a hand sander or a big grinder and smoothing it out some so it’s not as noticeable
How long poxy stay
How much does something like this cost?
For what I did .. meterials ran about $1,600 total
Wow that was amazing, thank you very much.🙏
Was the name of that product
Do I Use premier before paint?
It depends... if there is no paint on the pool then yes .. you have to use primer and let dry then paint.. BUT if you already have pint on the pool then no. Just scuff the pool up and re paint.. BUT if you have latex or any other type of paint OTHER that epoxy then u have to completely sand the whole pool down to remove it .. epoxy works with epoxy .. no other paint
It’s not new Concrect. I am planing to sand blasting than use epoxy paint.
@@Tech360Dallas it was painted before, I m sendblasting , Do I still use premier ?
Great video. I learned a lot. Thank you.
When he says ‘plaster’, it is ‘cement’? In Australia we have Fibreglass and or Cement pools. Here in Australia, ‘plaster’ means dry wall for in doors, like ‘plaster walls’.... Plaster goes soggy and soft in water.
Well the pool itself Is concrete, But it has layer of gunite over it .. some people call it plaster and some gunite...
The lable on the Container says: Great for small repairs! Waterproof cement for repairing tile, pool plaster or chipped cement. Twice the strength and three times the bonding power of concrete. Works equally well under-water.
@@Tech360Dallas Hi!. whats the name of the cement you used and the Brand of paint you use as well pleas🙏.
@@scorpius7jeremiel500 u can use high bond non shrink grout
Great video
Good job thank you.
Good video. Thanks
Hope I was able to help!
Thank you
Very informative, thank You very much.
Painted mine
FML
Blisters after 1 week
Reworking today
Good Times
Lol .. blisters suck.. Especially when you have to go back and repair it
@@Tech360Dallas all good
I found out the plaster / gunite was weak in places
Popped up “wooosssaaahhhh” lol
Ill rewatch your video and move forward 💪
Fantastic!!
Great information thanks
Look if your good enough, paint it once and then put your second coat. Remember an exterior pool nobody could ever guess 5 days of weather. Really it all boils down to your mixture of the paint and 2 days of dry time. If your mixture of the paint isn't right that's what causes blister. While painting keep your roller wet never dry roll. Remember your putting paint on.
Excellet advice, but the audio was hard to hear.
It looks like there would be less work in doing a complete replaster
awesome
what type 0f sanding pad did you use
But sadly I don't have the $15,000 that would take to have a professional come in chip all the plaster out get down to the original gun I put a new plaster and stuff like that so I have to do it myself suck it out clean it sand you know chip out along the crack wherever it's bad it's not leaking water so I know the gunite isn't leaking....
Idk what everyone is praising for. He doesn’t even tell you what grit number is being used for the wheels on the grinder.
Because if I was to give exact grit of paper I used, and someone was to use the same thing but did it wrong And destroyed their pool then I can be hit with liability lawsuits. But if you were to take the time and go through the comments I have posted several links to the wheels that I have used.
This makes no sense, undurcutt the tile, chip ,hydralic around fittings and lights fill in hollows, bond kote, get crystal krete, or pebble . Do not paint your pool..
Yea but not everyone has that kind of money or know how.. this was just a job I did because they didnt want to pay to have the whole pool re-shot, being it has so many blisters and black staining ..
Bevel. It's call bevel
Where you live come fix my pool !!!!
Lol Dallas Tx