I had an f150 with the 5.4. Had two or three plugs blow out on me. I just used the dorman repair plugs for those and they worked great. Never popped out again.
Quality helicoils, inserted using the proper process and tool, are great! There's a reason they're used to repair military and aerospace equipment... That said I definitely remember my Ranger spitting a plug about halfway across Kansas when I was driving from Colorado back to Virginia after leave from my third deployment. Ended up having her towed 180 miles to Nebraska as that was the only shop who could get me in next day. USAA covered everything!
@removefromme Yep. I had a '03 E150 with the 5.4l in it and it blew the plug in one of the cylinders. (The engine is a you know what to work on in Ford vans!) My shop installed a heli coil and it worked for my case. But I never changed the plug again in that cylinder while I owned it. This seems like a much more expensive (and better) way to fix it than a heli coil though. It wasn't available when I had my issue...
@@hdpro66I owned an F-150 with the 4.6L V8 and never that issue thankfully. Also made sure to torque the plugs to ~25 ft lbs instead of the 13-15 ft lbs manufacturer spec.
its a 2V mod motor issue. not enough threads in the cyl heads to engage along with a lower than necessary torque spec. Had this happen on an explorer with the 4.6. 3V mod motors have the opposite issue where the 2 piece spark plugs get seized into the heads and pull apart when you try to take them out.
Another junk ass ford popping plugs total trash made by ford i once seen a 4.6L ford in a F150 that had 6 or 8 cylinders helicoiled i will never own a 5.4 or 4.6 ford too many issues
I’m not a fan of Helicoils myself! I hate them with a passion! They cause more grief than good. By the way, a good machinist will tell you that a Time Cert is a “PERMANENT” thread repair, where as a helicoil is not! Reason why people go to the helicoils first, is because of cost. Time certs are expensive, but well worth the effort in the long run!!!
We used Lock N Stitch kits. I remember the first one I did was on a van. The hole that blew was right below the dash so It was done all pretty much by brail. Ford... a better idea?
red loctite releases around 500F, temperature at the threads can get close to that under heavy engine load. High temp JB weld is double that so it gives a much better chance of the bond not breaking down over time. JB weld is also much more goopy and probably acts somewhat as a thread dope to prevent a spiral path of leakage around the threads.
Thats funny there has been a few test that show the couls are stronger i think project farm did one they used steel but they were stronger than the incerts at a feaction of the price
I have a 99 lightning. After 2 blew out because the dealer over torqued plugs. I put 8 of them in my truck. That was in 2000. 24 years later and over 100k still strong with zero issues. BTW the truck makes about 800 rwhp now.
Nothing wrong with helicoils. They are a perfectly good repair option....just not for spark plug holes in these garbage Ford motors. Blame Ford, not helicoils. Keep up the fantastic work! Love all your content, bro!
"Garbage Ford motors" ? The 4.6L 2V in my 2000 Mustang has 376,000 miles on it (and has never blown out a spark plug, luckily). Browse around the internet, and you will see Crown Victoria Police Interceptors that experienced rough law enforcement service, that were then auctioned to Taxi companies for a 2nd life of rough service. Many forums with posts of 300,000, 400,000, 500,000 on this motor. And then there is the Lincoln Town Car with this 4.6L that belongs to the limo company in Florida that has 800,000 on his highest mileage limo. And there are some Mercury Grand Marquis as well. "Garbage Ford Motors", huh. Usual misinformed (or should I say uninformed) keyboard jockeys here in the comments as uaual..
The time sert looks like a 100 percent better way to fix it
Just harder to find or even consider stocking, but... Absolutely 💯
Excellent
Mike is a master mechanic 😎
I had an f150 with the 5.4. Had two or three plugs blow out on me. I just used the dorman repair plugs for those and they worked great. Never popped out again.
Nice one mike, the drill bit is called a "reamer" 😎. Cheers
I used JB Weld to fix a toilet bowl once in a pinch. Was surprised how well it worked.
if the plugs were checked and torqued properly to the higher spec of 24 ft-lbs they wouldn't have blown out in the first place.
That's a reamer, not a drill
Vry great use of jb weld securing tightening plug
Great advice thank you Mike.
Had to use a Time-Sert on a 3.0 ecodiesel. Best to let the JB Weld set up 24 hrs
Classic 5.4 Triton
Quality helicoils, inserted using the proper process and tool, are great! There's a reason they're used to repair military and aerospace equipment...
That said I definitely remember my Ranger spitting a plug about halfway across Kansas when I was driving from Colorado back to Virginia after leave from my third deployment. Ended up having her towed 180 miles to Nebraska as that was the only shop who could get me in next day. USAA covered everything!
How in the hell does it blow out a spark plug ??? I'm 64 and I have never heard of this.
Not enough thread engagement. I know the 4.6L V8 and 5.4L V8 are prone to this issue.
@removefromme Yep. I had a '03 E150 with the 5.4l in it and it blew the plug in one of the cylinders. (The engine is a you know what to work on in Ford vans!) My shop installed a heli coil and it worked for my case. But I never changed the plug again in that cylinder while I owned it. This seems like a much more expensive (and better) way to fix it than a heli coil though. It wasn't available when I had my issue...
@@hdpro66I owned an F-150 with the 4.6L V8 and never that issue thankfully. Also made sure to torque the plugs to ~25 ft lbs instead of the 13-15 ft lbs manufacturer spec.
its a 2V mod motor issue. not enough threads in the cyl heads to engage along with a lower than necessary torque spec. Had this happen on an explorer with the 4.6. 3V mod motors have the opposite issue where the 2 piece spark plugs get seized into the heads and pull apart when you try to take them out.
Aluminum heads?
Another junk ass ford popping plugs total trash made by ford i once seen a 4.6L ford in a F150 that had 6 or 8 cylinders helicoiled i will never own a 5.4 or 4.6 ford too many issues
I’m not a fan of Helicoils myself! I hate them with a passion! They cause more grief than good. By the way, a good machinist will tell you that a Time Cert is a “PERMANENT” thread repair, where as a helicoil is not! Reason why people go to the helicoils first, is because of cost. Time certs are expensive, but well worth the effort in the long run!!!
Jb weld on an aluminum head? Figured they'd siggest alum-bond..
We used Lock N Stitch kits. I remember the first one I did was on a van. The hole that blew was right below the dash so It was done all pretty much by brail. Ford... a better idea?
I’ve used helicoils lots of times and they have their places. Spark plug holes ain’t one of them.
How about cal van inserts ?
Same shit, different pile.
Helicoils are fine. Just not for sparkplugs.
I avoided that problem by buying a Chevy.
Is there a benefit to using JB Weld instead of red Loctite?
red loctite releases around 500F, temperature at the threads can get close to that under heavy engine load. High temp JB weld is double that so it gives a much better chance of the bond not breaking down over time.
JB weld is also much more goopy and probably acts somewhat as a thread dope to prevent a spiral path of leakage around the threads.
@@aoeuidhtnsnthdiueoaGood to know, thank you.
@@aoeuidhtnsnthdiueoa loctite is just a brand. There is high heat thread locker for many reasons. You're not gonna get it from AutoZone either.
Do it right once .
Cjtff
Thats funny there has been a few test that show the couls are stronger i think project farm did one they used steel but they were stronger than the incerts at a feaction of the price
Jb weld wth should be red threadlocker
Time serts are the only way to repair any of them!
Mike, you are the win for us.
Popcorn fart for the win 😎🫡
With the JB Weld, when it's time to change the plug, you actually remove the plug and Time Sert as one then?
The time sert stays in the cylinder head when the spark plug is removed. At least it’s supposed to.
Timesert for the win
Fuck yea I call that a win
I J.B. wield them in !
Good voidos
Very well explained.....😊
Hole 🕳
There are the solid heli coils made for fixing spark plug threads
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Waiting for someone to say "hey,that new spark plug was left hand thread".
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I have a 99 lightning. After 2 blew out because the dealer over torqued plugs. I put 8 of them in my truck. That was in 2000. 24 years later and over 100k still strong with zero issues. BTW the truck makes about 800 rwhp now.
I own a 2003 Ford sport Trac and I have had to do this to 2 of my cylinders so far. And they were the worst 1's to do . Behind the AC dryer.
Nothing wrong with helicoils. They are a perfectly good repair option....just not for spark plug holes in these garbage Ford motors. Blame Ford, not helicoils.
Keep up the fantastic work! Love all your content, bro!
No denying the spark plug problem, but otherwise they are generally good engines.
"Garbage Ford motors" ? The 4.6L 2V in my 2000 Mustang has 376,000 miles on it (and has never blown out a spark plug, luckily). Browse around the internet, and you will see Crown Victoria Police Interceptors that experienced rough law enforcement service, that were then auctioned to Taxi companies for a 2nd life of rough service. Many forums with posts of 300,000, 400,000, 500,000 on this motor. And then there is the Lincoln Town Car with this 4.6L that belongs to the limo company in Florida that has 800,000 on his highest mileage limo. And there are some Mercury Grand Marquis as well. "Garbage Ford Motors", huh. Usual misinformed (or should I say uninformed) keyboard jockeys here in the comments as uaual..
WTF? Why are they making 💩 like this?
See post above poo-poo emoji king, for the answer to your question.
@@hoyinwong Pedophile says what?