Joy Division - Ceremony (Rehearsal Session in Manchester 1980)

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  • There are three recorded versions of "Ceremony" in existence. The first is a live version, available on the Still album, from their final concert at High Hall, Birmingham University on 2 May 1980. The second, available on the Heart and Soul four-disc box set is from a rehearsal tape made in April/May 1980. The third is a version recorded at the soundcheck on the afternoon of 2 May 1980.

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  • @milanwitulski1253
    @milanwitulski1253 5 місяців тому +71

    It is 18.05.2024 and I am here. Ceremony was the first song that made me cry because of lyrics, how it sounds and knowing the sad history of Ian Curtis. Rest In Peace my all time hero and muse.

    • @Rhino1931
      @Rhino1931 4 місяці тому +5

      I’m there with you. Never felt anything emotional from music all my life and Ceremony made me cry at 27.
      At this point in my life, there’s nothing I’d want more than for Ian Curtis to still be here.

  • @katerludwig4900
    @katerludwig4900 8 років тому +996

    And a few days later there was no Joy Division anymore...
    This song always had a strong meaning to me. It's like the ending of a wonderful day, but instead of the dark night you can already see a new dawn. Some of the greatest musicians of all time passed away in 1980: John Lennon, Bon Scott, John Bonham and of course Ian Curtis.
    May everyone of you come home safely this evening.

    • @johnr2630
      @johnr2630 5 років тому +29

      I got goosebumps after reading this comment

    • @dannycheesums
      @dannycheesums 5 років тому +21

      I got goosebumps too - as before I read your comment I was listening to this song last thing before bed, and feeling melancholy because of how Ian must have been feeling, but good because this past year everything has gone right for me after several years of shit. Weird how music (and UA-cam comments!) can catch you like that. Peace.

    • @hubich3416
      @hubich3416 4 роки тому +6

      ... and vladimir vysotzki

    • @erikjmineer5810
      @erikjmineer5810 4 роки тому +4

      You're not alone with that sentiment bon Scott and Ian such iconic musicians at least to me Bonham great drummer and Lennon not ot shabby either

    • @matlockduybay1888
      @matlockduybay1888 4 роки тому +6

      darby crash =chuck wagon

  • @soula48
    @soula48 10 років тому +611

    I saw JD by accident in 1978, life was never the same thereafter.

    • @ok2760
      @ok2760 5 років тому +1

      Whereabouts?

    • @softcoreluvr
      @softcoreluvr 5 років тому +10

      by accident?

    • @jakeola10
      @jakeola10 4 роки тому +34

      I wish i could accidentally see one of the greatest bands of all time.

    • @gillesleguen7762
      @gillesleguen7762 3 роки тому

      except JD didn’t exist in 1978 ... 😅😂🤣

    • @flowerface9011
      @flowerface9011 3 роки тому +42

      @@gillesleguen7762 they formed in 76, with their band previously being titled Warsaw. They changed it because there was another group with the same name. I understand how much of a rush it can be to call someone a liar on the internet, but a cursory Google search will even tell you they formed in 76

  • @TheFibtastic
    @TheFibtastic 10 років тому +952

    Stephen Morris is never given enough credit.

  • @dabu4223
    @dabu4223 8 років тому +447

    This is the greatest song not released. Ian Curtis' haunting vocals on full display. What could have been.

    • @SandraMcCalip
      @SandraMcCalip 10 місяців тому +1

      To Ian and Joy
      Division . . . we love you
      We will never forget you 💔

    • @willemdeboer1029
      @willemdeboer1029 4 місяці тому +2

      There was never gonna be a coulda. This was it. Ian knew it.

  • @alanajung440
    @alanajung440 9 років тому +329

    I love the rawness of this track. It's like I'm right there in 1980.

    • @bargello2
      @bargello2 9 років тому +7

      +Alana Jung best comment by a country mile..... In my opinion you truly know what you are saying.

    • @JohnPrince80
      @JohnPrince80 6 років тому +2

      You can hear the sadness in his voice.

    • @davidsomerset
      @davidsomerset 6 років тому

      You can be, again. Investigate Dancehouse Theatre, Manchester this April.

    • @TheSanityMachine33
      @TheSanityMachine33 Рік тому +2

      Love it... I relate to Ian... i'm kind of a tormented.. madman Artist... poet... painter...
      I make videos about reality... i've written poetry on asylum walls.
      This raven is mine.
      I hope your last 7 years have been kind to you in this Hell realm.

  • @adamdxion34
    @adamdxion34 8 років тому +317

    what a drummer

    • @cmswrD
      @cmswrD 4 роки тому +14

      Ikr, Stephen Morris is so good

    • @gloritta
      @gloritta 4 роки тому +1

      My fav

    • @MarcioSilva-fk1hq
      @MarcioSilva-fk1hq 3 роки тому +5

      He was a jazz drummer , and this explains a lot ...

    • @A9_Chord
      @A9_Chord 3 роки тому +1

      Drum machine but in human form

    • @chipaway
      @chipaway 2 роки тому +1

      only one to compete imho was nigel preston from the cult

  • @hurstdale
    @hurstdale 9 років тому +365

    God has this on his i-pod

    • @ernestocanalesmaldonado6047
      @ernestocanalesmaldonado6047 9 років тому +7

      al hendy Ian singing in heaven, I think!!! =)

    • @djunawn7213
      @djunawn7213 9 років тому +21

      He sings it to my beautiful daughter. What times they have - all we have are memories

    • @anonomousous
      @anonomousous 6 років тому +2

      People go to hell for committing suicide according to "God".

    • @givememoney8985
      @givememoney8985 6 років тому +3

      well god dosnt exist so...

    • @anonomousous
      @anonomousous 6 років тому

      exactly

  • @KevinsYouTube
    @KevinsYouTube 9 років тому +1479

    This version has Ian on it. Therefore, it can be deduced that this is the best version of the song to ever exist.

    • @franciscovasquez9164
      @franciscovasquez9164 7 років тому +98

      KCwellard this version sucks. just because ian is singing doesnt make it better. personally i think bernard sung it much better

    • @slosheroni
      @slosheroni 7 років тому +13

      lol

    • @RodneyGarza
      @RodneyGarza 7 років тому +165

      Ian was probably already given thought to his near death when he wrote this song. Bernard's wimpy voice does not do it justice.

    • @franciscovasquez9164
      @franciscovasquez9164 7 років тому +61

      Rodney Garza well im not you, I like bernard's wimpy voice

    • @paulinesvisuals
      @paulinesvisuals 7 років тому +31

      I prefer New Order's version of this as well. SO much better.

  • @kevinhyland5524
    @kevinhyland5524 Рік тому +38

    I was fortunate to be at Warsaw's first gig supporting Buzzcocks at the Electric circus in Manc, l love them to bits..what an amazing inspirational band they still are ❤

  • @nightwalkerj
    @nightwalkerj 2 роки тому +85

    Its amazing that a song where you can't really understand the lyrics still hits like a ton of bricks. Especially if you know some of Ian's history. He really put his soul into his music.

    • @acmemasteri
      @acmemasteri 5 місяців тому

      I have thought that I understand those lyrics.
      One of the greatest of all still... after 27 years.

  • @karmatage1234
    @karmatage1234 8 років тому +346

    imagine a third album ....

    • @SportstalkDudes
      @SportstalkDudes 8 років тому +74

      Kane Armatage "movement" by new order is essentially that

    • @steve261brown
      @steve261brown 6 років тому +51

      Jake No! no! nothing without Ian’s vocals sorry!

    • @odw_99
      @odw_99 6 років тому +42

      Steve Brown no that’s true, but the music for Movement was most likely written around about the time of Ian’s death, so musically, it’s a Joy Division album

    • @steve261brown
      @steve261brown 6 років тому +5

      The2011Collector Barny is no Ian though! IMHO not a very good singer.

    • @eileenstubington8592
      @eileenstubington8592 5 років тому +3

      It's a jd/no song

  • @tallykev6608
    @tallykev6608 4 роки тому +160

    I love New Order's version, but I wish that Ian could have done a formal, recorded version. The lyrics are certainly different in some places. On the other hand, this one is kinda haunting and adds to the mystique that was Ian Curtis.

    • @fabsouza11
      @fabsouza11 Рік тому +1

      A version with an AI-created Ian Curtis' voice is available!

    • @jamman217
      @jamman217 8 місяців тому +8

      @@fabsouza11 AI 'resurrection' in film and music is abhorrently disgusting. The very idea of using a computer to imitate a person after their death makes a mockery of their life and legacy.

    • @tomasrichardson9262
      @tomasrichardson9262 Місяць тому

      I feel like that's an unpopular opinion, and I don't like how you're stating it as fact. ​@@jamman217

  • @shawnkavanagh3554
    @shawnkavanagh3554 9 років тому +33

    Broken glass and thoughts unnerve me,
    Turn away, the same old story
    Broken glass and wheels are turning
    Turn away turn toward this time
    Broken glass and same old story
    Turn away and we will be there
    Broken glass the saints are calling
    Turn away and turn toward this time
    I’ll break their bones
    No mercy shown
    Heaven knows it’s got to get better
    Watching her, this sinking ship,
    The times she tried and failed to wake this time,
    Oh I'll break them all, no mercy shown
    Heaven knows, it's got to be this time
    Avenues all lined with trees,
    Picture me in ten years’ time watching
    Watching forever
    Watching forever
    Everything…. Out of control
    You’re everything, out of control
    Out of control, out of control

    • @kyuseok98
      @kyuseok98 9 років тому +2

      What an awesome lyrics catching!

    • @liamjones9541
      @liamjones9541 9 років тому +3

      Are they the genuine lyrics for Ian's first verse? I thought they were still undiscovered, massive respect if they are right and to you or who ever made them out

    • @shawnkavanagh3554
      @shawnkavanagh3554 9 років тому +1

      my interpretation of this version of the lyrics, after multiple listens. His lyrics didn't appear to be set in stone, as they seemed to change each time he sang the song.

    • @goosex3644
      @goosex3644 6 років тому +1

      Thanks man

    • @dianalewis3148
      @dianalewis3148 6 років тому +1

      Whoa ... I really like these lyrics

  • @blackphoenix8932
    @blackphoenix8932 5 років тому +447

    Man, Ian's barely audible vocals are heartbreaking.
    You don't even need to be able to make out the lyrics to feel what he is feeling at this point, shortly before self-inflicted death.

    • @greenplastic69
      @greenplastic69 4 роки тому +42

      SECRET ORIGINAL LYRICS:
      Focus how the wheels are moving
      Find the same, the same old story
      Focus why the wheels are turning
      throw them away until they will catch fire
      Hope to find the same little story
      maybe then they will see me
      Hope and pray, no one saw me
      maybe then, they will go catch fire
      I'll break them all, no mercy shown
      heaven knows I got to get somewhere
      crash and burn, the things I did
      I got too stealth prepared for it this time
      I'll break them all, no mercy shown
      heaven knows I got to be somewhere
      Avenues all wind with trees
      pictures me and then you'll start watching
      watching forever
      watching forever,
      wherever i go, they will go
      wherever i go, they will go
      wherever i go, they will go

    • @ParanoidParkProject
      @ParanoidParkProject 4 роки тому +12

      @HULK HOGAN That's fucked up. He most have known at that time he wouldn't last much longer

    • @alfiex6667
      @alfiex6667 3 роки тому

      @@ParanoidParkProject people usually plan to kill themselves

    • @pen2199
      @pen2199 3 роки тому +1

      @@alfiex6667 yeah they do, he was gloomy though

    • @alfiex6667
      @alfiex6667 3 роки тому +12

      @@pen2199 I'm suicidal I think I would know lmao, you think about it for years and then one day you just can't take it and you do it, not something people plan, if they do they really don't wanna die they just want someone to pay attention to them.

  • @s1050
    @s1050 4 роки тому +184

    This was the future sound of Joy Division which makes it special even though Ian’s vocals are of poor audible quality. I think he would’ve made the track even better if he had time to properly record it. I also genuinely think the electronic sound of New Order would’ve been Joy Division if Ian lived. Ian actually encouraged synths as he was a fan of Kraftwerk.

    • @tomo366
      @tomo366 3 роки тому +4

      I wouldn't have liked joy division fully if they went into synth more

    • @al1665
      @al1665 Рік тому +4

      I think they would have sounded like a mix of New Order, The Cure and Radiohead.

    • @PatchouliPenny
      @PatchouliPenny 9 місяців тому +2

      I agree with you. I'm not a fan of dance music, people plonking away on synths isn't proper music. When New Order made Blue Monday they got asked to do it live for TV and they couldn't because they didn't know how to because so much was just studio editing. They were going to do a concert in Australia and were shitting themselves as they knew they'd be asked to do it. So they had to put parts together on the old floppy discs and try to play to that. They accepted a live offer on UK TV and fucked up badly as somehow what was on floppy was loaded wrong and played in reverse order.
      IMO Ian Curtis WAS Joy Division. After he died the rest didn't know what to do because he wrote all the songs and he chose what bits of music sounded best with his lyrics. Very occasionally they would play some bits and Ian would say, "okay I'll write lyrics for that." They seriously lucked out when ian joined them and he's dead and they're still raking in the millions!
      This song makes me want to sob because IMO it's a suicide note. Now I'm going to say something i thought I never would say so bear with me for a minute.
      I was once watching JD videos on here when I saw a comment saying the band sacrificed Ian so that New Order could become famous and rich. I burst out laughing, thinking what a nutcase! Since then I've been reading all the books and watching interviews. So many have asked how his band members could not be aware of how depressed and suicidal he was. Their answer was they didn't really listen to his lyrics, it was his business and they just left it to him. Firstly what band in history hasn't known the lyrics of the singer standing next to them, ESPECIALLY when studio recordings are made? What terrible friends would hear that and think their mate is okay? People can say it was a different time and men didn't talk about things like that. Well, they weren't men , yes they were over the age of 18 but that doesn't make you a man, all they had to do was listen but apparently they never heard!
      Then in one interview I heard hooky blaming Ian's suicide on his wife, Debbie! He actually says, "they had an argument, that's obviously what made him do it!" Im not sure how old you are but i am old and Hooky's expression when he said that was very suspect like he knows he isn't telling the truth.
      Then there's the girl Ian had an affair with. After hearing the songs for the new album, she phoned someone in a panic but i can't remember who. It might have been Bernard. Whoever, they asked her what she thought and she said i hate it! They asked her why and she said because he means every word and it terrifies me.
      So okay, you must have heard the theory that bands sign a deal with the devil in order to become famous? I'm an athiest so i don't believe in a literal devil but what if the record company and other band members knew Ian was in a bad way? What if they all knew everything would be over without ian, especially if he just embarrassed them in the future cos he was disabled and scared of flying? What if they were told to ignore his problems, he'll kill himself and then I'll make you guys famous? They refused to give interviews for ages afterwards and say JD didn't give interviews but Ian did, I've heard it, it's on UA-cam and he doesn't sound depressed in the slightest!
      So now im beginning to think that comment wasn't so crazy and they didn't mean they cooked him on a bbq for Satan but maybe there's more to it than that. Now whenever I hear Ceremony by either band, I feel weird and sick and I've come to the conclusion that the other guys have not been honest about something in this story. Maybe Ian didn't want to go electronic at all. ​@tomo366

    • @tanis3639
      @tanis3639 3 місяці тому +1

      Hopefully someday, we can get a similar treatment which was used on The Beatles Get Back documentary and usingg AU, get remixed version

    • @DethTyrant
      @DethTyrant Місяць тому +1

      ​@@PatchouliPennywhat are u even yappin about

  • @furleybart
    @furleybart 5 років тому +97

    the strokes, the cure, but this song is a masterpiece.......would love to go back in time to see them play live.

    • @smkxodnwbwkdns8369
      @smkxodnwbwkdns8369 2 роки тому +3

      Ian wasn’t delicate, he had health problems that would of crushed anybody

  • @ApriliaRacer14
    @ApriliaRacer14 Рік тому +14

    Song meant everything to me as a kid. Everything.

  • @dizza4944
    @dizza4944 3 роки тому +19

    This version will always be so haunting to me...it's like he's saying goodbye

    • @paulph12002
      @paulph12002 3 роки тому +2

      I get that feeling too. This was recorded on 14th. May 1980, just four days before his passing.

  • @dbo514
    @dbo514 4 роки тому +51

    His vocal intonation/melody at 1:01 ''the wheels are turning'', breaks my heart, it's so god damn beautiful.

  • @farmertedburgess9153
    @farmertedburgess9153 4 роки тому +39

    when it's 12.24 on a saturday afternoon and you;re already wasted drunk, trawling youtube for the most depressing songs you know and then you remember this...and it strangely makes you feel better, and the only annoying thing is that the speakers on your laptop don't go any louder

  • @dylankelly2024
    @dylankelly2024 4 роки тому +20

    RIP Ian. 40 years ago today. Immortal.

  • @darrenbass732
    @darrenbass732 9 років тому +58

    It's lovely seeing Ian smile. Beautiful song.

  • @SteveASuper
    @SteveASuper 8 років тому +156

    I don't know if it's in the nature of this recording a combination, including the speed at which it was laid down on tape, the placement of the mics, and Ian's emotional and physical state, but what comes across in this recording is sheer, forboding pathos.
    Apparent is the weariness, the kind of flat despondency that people that have given up the fight express themselves in, drained, exhausted vocals, the complete disregard for covering up the crying tremors in his voice, the resigned absence of any "punch" or highs and lows in the delivery of the words. What is strange is the words aren't in a monotone, yet the sound level has no hills or valleys and the frequency is low, as though breaking through a barrier, removed and muffled.
    The words, when you strain to hear them, contain the power unique to this version of the song, the utter truth of being right near the end, stripped of pretense or artiface.

    • @tedex8100
      @tedex8100 5 років тому +4

      Fuck me,the pub bore.

    • @rockingchairsofpiss1404
      @rockingchairsofpiss1404 5 років тому +5

      Very true and accurate description of this song's deliverance, it's even more so with their last track ever recorded called in a lonely place

  • @helterskelter7499
    @helterskelter7499 2 роки тому +54

    This in my top 5 songs of all time and trust me I've heard it all.
    Ugh if only Ian was still here cause it hurts me so much. I'm honestly so bothered he left cause it aches me for a clear version. I hope they find a clear version or find something cause if it ever gets discovered then hell it might be the best actual song to exist even if the unclear version is still a top 5 for me.
    God if I had a time machine I would get that song hell I'd even save him it just hurts cause we'll never hear it. I know people wanted Kurt but I want Ian back.
    I've made probably a million posts about this song but my obsession to find "the" version kills me. There's no clean vocal ceremony song by Ian and it kills me. I saw a comment that said perhaps if you believe in fate then Ceremony was never supposed to be. It hurts cause it might be true. Part of me thinks Ian never wanted to popularise the song but part of me is too selfish. This song is definitely an unfortunate fate which only makes me believe even more that this might the best song that never was.
    Ceremony has became my most favourite Joy Division track. There's so many different versions on this song and it has been in my top joy division songs until it has become one of my favourite songs to ever exist. Everytime I listen to it, it defines a new story. The fact theres no clear ian curtis Ceremony song says how good this song is. Everytime I listen to it I always love it more. When I listen to it.. it feels like an ending to another night. It almost feels like your singing as if you know you screwed up and there's a presence in you a bad one that still longs chasing after you. It's almost as if your trying to correct a mistake that could never be managed.
    Ian probably wrote this song for himself when he saw everything in life, all the clouds, sky, and love all leaving him behind. Its almost leaving a trail to an endless or eternal point which will never end. Its sad to believe that suicide was believed to be the only way for him to balance the mistakes he has caused with his life. Its almost as if he knew that the trigger was suddenly come back to haunt him and there won't be Ian no more.
    In the end, there's no clear way of representing this song hence makes it one of the most cursed and beautiful song simultaneously. This is one of those songs that are impossible to hate due to its story and lyrics.

    • @denny1006
      @denny1006 11 місяців тому

      this is the best version of ceremony, captures the emotion of what this tape gives you. this a clear version you are searching for, this....

  • @willvaughan3936
    @willvaughan3936 7 років тому +59

    this was recorded at graveyard studios on 14th May 1980 according to Peter Hook.

    • @SynthMusicWorld
      @SynthMusicWorld 3 роки тому +6

      really? Man, four days before Ian hung himself. Ian sounds pretty defeated at this point.

  • @paulcurtis1639
    @paulcurtis1639 Рік тому +8

    The best joy division song.

  • @azariahportillo
    @azariahportillo 2 роки тому +14

    not sure if this is correct but here it is:
    This is why it’s so unnerving
    Would you say the same old story?
    This is why the wheels are turning
    Turn away and turn towards this time
    Listen now the savior’s calling
    Come again and we will be there
    Traveled fast but now I’m stopping
    Think again and change its way this time
    Oh, I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
    Heaven knows I got to get somewhere
    Crash and burn, the things I did
    The times she cried, too frail to wake this time
    I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
    Heaven knows I got to be somewhere
    Avenues all lined with trees
    Picture me in ten year’s time, watching
    Watching forever
    Watching forever
    Forever, letting go
    Forever, letting go
    Forever, letting go

    • @JustPlainGod
      @JustPlainGod Рік тому

      I think he says "forever letting go let it be shown, and/or watching love grow

    • @Pyrrhic537
      @Pyrrhic537 Рік тому

      So sad. Beautiful song but tragic and haunting. He was suicidal.

    • @azariahportillo
      @azariahportillo Рік тому +1

      @@JustPlainGod hmm..this was a long time ago but i found the right lyrics

    • @azariahportillo
      @azariahportillo Рік тому +2

      here’s an updated version of the lyrics:
      This is why it’s so unnerving
      Would you say the same old story?
      This is why the wheels are turning
      Turn away and turn towards this time
      Listen now the savior’s calling
      Come again and we will be there
      Traveled fast but now I’m stopping
      Think again and change its way this time
      Oh, I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
      Heaven knows I got to get somewhere
      Crash and burn, the things I did
      The times she cried, too frail to wake this time
      I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
      Heaven knows it’s got to be somewhere
      Avenues all lined with trees
      Picture me in ten year’s time, watching
      Watching forever
      Watching forever
      Where I will go, they will go
      Where I will go, they will go
      Wherever I go, they will go

    • @azariahportillo
      @azariahportillo Рік тому +1

      @@Pyrrhic537 yea. but i could somehow relate to what he’s singing

  • @deathknigt3000
    @deathknigt3000 8 років тому +212

    >tfw there will never be a studio recording of Ceremony with Ian on vocals.
    "Watching her. These things she said. The times she cried. Too frail to wake this time."

  • @michellemarshall9879
    @michellemarshall9879 4 роки тому +17

    RIP Ian Curtis. Legend and mentor for so many 💜

  • @tokenofdevotion
    @tokenofdevotion 11 років тому +47

    This is were Joy Division were moving on and growing up but Ian broke that process. Damn Ian, we really miss you.

  • @fernandorato6152
    @fernandorato6152 4 роки тому +14

    Best singer ever... R.I.P. Ian.

  • @ST1973
    @ST1973 2 роки тому +7

    JoY Division, one of the best bands ever, in the era of the punk-rock bands ever

  • @andrewdate4955
    @andrewdate4955 4 роки тому +35

    There’s something haunting about those muffled vocals. Beautiful song.

    • @lolah3838
      @lolah3838 Рік тому +3

      The voice of a ghost.

  • @TheKathleenR
    @TheKathleenR 12 років тому +22

    love the way the drums sound in this!

  • @Vox_Phantom_Mark-VI
    @Vox_Phantom_Mark-VI 9 років тому +23

    Ian, the great, the best, the genius...the eternal!!!!

  • @shanebonter6521
    @shanebonter6521 9 років тому +50

    When something so beautifully sorrowful apears to my ears... It's always ian's voice that brings a tear to my eye.... I remember in my younger years, falling to pieces when I would think about how much tallent was lost in Mr. Curtis... My first memory of music is listening to unknown pleasures on cassette in my moms shitty little geo metro..... Begging her to play it over and over,.... Oh sober nostalgias bitter sting bites at my heart strings once more..

    • @rachelsonfire
      @rachelsonfire 8 років тому +3

      +Shane “The Suburban Shaman” Bonter Beautifully put. Thanks for such a sweet comment. My heart is heavy for your sorrow. I share that sorrow.

    • @charlottepoole8963
      @charlottepoole8963 7 років тому +1

      Shane Bonter where are you from pal ?

    • @charlesroberts3650
      @charlesroberts3650 5 років тому

      I miss him so much, specially since I did not know about him until after he died. Touched my Soul with his words and tragic genius......

  • @Nominay
    @Nominay 5 років тому +30

    This version has a restlessness to it that the post-Curtis version doesn't. The guitar also has a post punk feistiness to it that the New Order one doesn't.

  • @Sacmagique
    @Sacmagique 11 років тому +29

    I have completely violated the replay button.

  • @IDasheZ
    @IDasheZ 3 роки тому +6

    Today is 41 Years that Ian has been gone. Rest in Peace to Manchesters Greatest Poet

  • @ericac2596
    @ericac2596 7 років тому +50

    And I"ll cry everytime I listen to this :(

    • @vonspire
      @vonspire 5 років тому +3

      🖤🖤🖤🖤😭😭😭😢😢😢😢

    • @Broatch6
      @Broatch6 4 роки тому +7

      we all do

  • @johnr2630
    @johnr2630 4 роки тому +63

    The greatest song ever written.

    • @steve261brown
      @steve261brown 2 роки тому +3

      Bar none. Ian’s gift. A Joy Division masterpiece!

  • @michelemarsoni583
    @michelemarsoni583 3 роки тому +3

    Happy birthday Ian, rest in peace 🖤

  • @bluemysterio6194
    @bluemysterio6194 Рік тому +8

    43 years later

  • @sabbathshepard9861
    @sabbathshepard9861 3 роки тому +14

    This song and 'In a lonely place' are probably JD's darkest most depressing songs. God the chills.

  • @waycnf7229
    @waycnf7229 3 роки тому +7

    One detail I think most people overlook is that what is mostly interpreted as "The times she cried, too frail to wake this time" also sounds a lot like "The captain shouts, too frail to wake this time". I think the second line is likelier if you believe he's saying "this sinking ship" and not "these things she said".

  • @sergiofutbol123
    @sergiofutbol123 3 місяці тому +2

    I saw New Order live last year and when they played this I just about cry such a good song

  • @Dinno854
    @Dinno854 2 роки тому +19

    É triste saber que nunca iremos saber o que Ian realmente escreveu em sua música, mas isso a torna ainda mais especial para mim. Definitivamente uma das melhores que já escutei.

  • @sup3rkangkong
    @sup3rkangkong 10 років тому +21

    love the guitars on this

  • @derin111
    @derin111 4 роки тому +9

    Poor Ian.
    Hearing this is and watching the video.
    I was at the ULU gig (the one that comes free with the CLOSER cd), aged 16 and even at that age you sensed something terrible was going to happen.
    RIP Ian.

  • @ExiLeProductionz
    @ExiLeProductionz 10 років тому +100

    This band and new order has gotten me thru really tuff times. My mom has major liver problems and my father doesn't think i exisit.

    • @patrick6427
      @patrick6427 6 років тому +12

      Yo bro, I'm really sorry to hear that. I know its been a while since you posted this comment, but I hope you know that people will ALWAYS be here for you on this Earth and people will ALWAYS love you. Even if its just a random internet stranger.
      If you're still in a dark place, message me buddy. Lets talk.

    • @RoyAH.
      @RoyAH. 6 років тому

      Amazing.

    • @tedex8100
      @tedex8100 5 років тому +2

      I'm right here with @Patrick
      Stay massively strong,my brother,my PM is also available to you.

    • @tedex8100
      @tedex8100 5 років тому +2

      @@patrick6427
      I love your Soul.You're a Pillar of Society, in my book.
      May your God Bless you.

    • @kojinko
      @kojinko 5 років тому +1

      I hope your able to cope a little better after 5 years.

  • @adinocc2042
    @adinocc2042 22 дні тому

    Ian eternal, we love you!
    Please accept our love and dance with us to you're wonderful music.
    You will never be forgotten...
    ..Ever!

  • @TheBeautyBoxLife
    @TheBeautyBoxLife 11 місяців тому +2

    Such a great song .. When N.O. plays this live on stage, I can truly hear the sadness in Bernards voice, sadness in knowing it should be Ian, whenever NO play a JD song live, it's definitely an ode to their dear friend Ian. 😢

  • @leachristine5264
    @leachristine5264 5 місяців тому +2

    Wooooooooooow I had no idea there was a recording of Ian singing this

  • @TheKathleenR
    @TheKathleenR 12 років тому +9

    If you blast this song out full blast! IT'S EPIC.

  • @Kingrizla-fm2rr
    @Kingrizla-fm2rr 4 роки тому +55

    I love this version but it always makes me sad too. I think that Closer is the best post-punk album ever but Ceremony shows they were just getting started. Brilliant as NO are, I've long believed that had JD lasted and continued to evolve at the stunning rate they already were they would have become the best band ever of any genre or any period in history.

    • @OpossumGeorge
      @OpossumGeorge Рік тому

      I don't think so. Closer by mood is a complete finale, end of all ends. There is literally no way where Ian's mind could grow whilst keeping a burden of such illness on his shoulders. He could go into some serious treatment instead of taking his life, but this would take years and tremendous effort to heal such wounds and he would be a completely different person and creator afterwards

  • @jameskerr9346
    @jameskerr9346 8 років тому +9

    Love this so much have it on repeat. Great tribute to Ian Curtis. So nice to see him smile at the end. RIP Ian GBNF Lisa McDonough via James Kerr.

  • @AW-kr9fl
    @AW-kr9fl 3 місяці тому +3

    3:35 is incredible. That vocal melody Ian did wasn’t included on the New Order version. His lyrics are also unintelligible there. But it sounds so mysterious and his last contribution…

    • @folladordeprostis
      @folladordeprostis 2 місяці тому

      Why unintelligible??

    • @pern1044
      @pern1044 2 місяці тому

      ​@@folladordeprostisCan you make out those lyrics? 3:35 What do you hear?

    • @kenbalmont1697
      @kenbalmont1697 Місяць тому

      I heard:
      Everything, let it be so
      For everything, let it be so
      Everything, let it be so...

  • @meneervanrijckevorsel8856
    @meneervanrijckevorsel8856 3 роки тому +4

    Heard this song in 1981 when i borrowed still from a friend (was 14 years old), never stopped listening. Couldn't believe that Ian didn't live anymore when I discovered them. JD is timeless (son of a friend is a major fan now, because of me :) )

  • @mjdomicello
    @mjdomicello 7 років тому +10

    yes, this is one of the only 3 versions Ian had ever sung on.

  • @dartmouthhoop
    @dartmouthhoop 6 років тому +10

    Man, the shots of Manchester from 1979/1980 look so stark....music fits it perfectly...they were definitely a band from a time and a place

  • @azurasnumber1fan
    @azurasnumber1fan 3 роки тому +3

    It took a long while before I knew New Order was Joy Division. I never put two and two together. Cerenony is still my fave as the opening song from the Substance album. By chance, I found love will tear us apart, much later. Fell for Ian Curtis, then. And then, to learn the two were the same, blew me away. Meant even more.

  • @WelcomeToTheInterzone
    @WelcomeToTheInterzone 11 днів тому +1

    If only Ian had decided to live, at least a while longer, we might have seen New Order version musicianship with Ian's vocal styling over the top of it all. Just thinking of it sounds glorious.

  • @acmemasteri
    @acmemasteri 5 місяців тому +1

    I have this without a cleaning and this is good.
    Great job.
    18th day I put my restaured studio outtakes from 1979 and that original video released aug 18, 1982.

  • @adamdxion34
    @adamdxion34 8 років тому +10

    happy new year everyone
    and rip ian sadly missed by many

  • @jasona1106
    @jasona1106 Місяць тому

    I can feel the pain of Ian’s lyrics in various songs . A cry for help with many listening but still unheard.

  • @Stampistuta
    @Stampistuta 6 місяців тому +1

    Reading Hooks JD book and it’s brought me here. What a gem to have this recorded and available.

  • @anidamsa4396
    @anidamsa4396 11 місяців тому +1

    Bought this first time around with Bernard singing on it. It’s a masterpiece either way. Love the rawness and energy of it . Pure expression . ❤️🙏🙏👏

  • @ElGwapo1927
    @ElGwapo1927 3 роки тому +7

    Is there a sadder, more poignant track recorded anywhere than this? Just exquisite.

  • @science-revision
    @science-revision 2 роки тому +2

    The best of joy division.......love it

  • @adolfo4943
    @adolfo4943 Рік тому +2

    Me sigue maravillando igual ahora que la primera vez que la oí hace ya tanto...

  • @moonobodies1
    @moonobodies1 2 роки тому +4

    Siempre he querido ver, más contenido de Ian en vídeo, cuando lo ví sonreír no pude evitar sentirme triste, como deseo haberlo conocido, siento tanta empatía con él, ver vídeos de él en vivo me pone la piel de gallina

  • @user-nekkek228
    @user-nekkek228 2 роки тому +6

    You will find that words unnerve me
    Different time, the same old story
    This is why the things are turning
    Go forward, it hasn't gone this time
    Listen to the same old glory
    Then again the same old difference
    Word will part, so I won't happily
    Going then and never go this time
    I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
    Heaven knows, it’s got to get closer
    Watching her, these things she said
    The times she cried
    Too frail to wake this time
    I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
    Heaven knows, it’s got to get closer
    Avenues all lined with trees
    Picture me and then you start watching
    Watching forever, watching forever

    • @f-ingstupid4408
      @f-ingstupid4408 2 роки тому

      I think these might be the closest to the lyrics, and man are they painful not in a bad way but a emotional way

  • @blackcoastuk
    @blackcoastuk Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this.

  • @MichaelDeTorrice
    @MichaelDeTorrice 5 років тому +10

    this song gives you the vibe you'd get if new order songs were sung by Ian...amazing as always

  • @johnr2630
    @johnr2630 5 років тому +2

    Of course we all wish he was here. But what people don’t understand. Is there are some people on this earth that make such a mark and shine so much brighter that they shine for half as long. They are supposed to be remembered in their prime. Therefore they never grow old. I mean just think about some of the artists that were huge in the 60s and 70s they’re all fat and ugly most of them and start playing shows at morongo casinos and shit and keep making music even though it’s not that great anymore or people are just tired of them. We’ll that will never happen with IAN. All we can do is be thankful that he was able to do the incredible things he did in the short time we had him on this earth. R.I.P. IAN & JOY DIVISION forever

  • @saw141
    @saw141 3 роки тому +4

    It's interesting that Ian wrote about "Avenues lined with Trees" in The Only Mistake, and this... it was clearly an important thought for him.

  • @jpcsfp
    @jpcsfp 4 роки тому +3

    Dang, chills down my spine and to see them guys smiling and enjoying themselves brings me tears of joy that these brilliant musicians had really fun times together.

  • @jimmyvulmer9476
    @jimmyvulmer9476 2 роки тому +2

    Miss you Ian

  • @jamesthompson3016
    @jamesthompson3016 2 роки тому +2

    Rip Ian this is the best version!!

  • @marksim990
    @marksim990 3 роки тому +2

    Raw and natural, a true demo tape. Absolute gold.

  • @TerryLee788
    @TerryLee788 4 роки тому +2

    ♥️ love this song, one of my favourites of Joy Division. ❤

  • @sergiomassama
    @sergiomassama 9 років тому +2

    JOY DIVISION EVER!

  • @citileft
    @citileft 4 роки тому +9

    This is the greatest rock song ever written. I hope one day through technology we can have a proper Ian Curtis vocal. I love the Galaxie 500 version just as much. But the song has a longing and plaintive beauty that is heartbreaking

  • @acmemasteri
    @acmemasteri 5 місяців тому +1

    There is their last gig's Ceremony (1st line can be heard only by flooding mics) on 'Still' and one normally recorded tape (this cass recording) as they reheals it where's Ian on vocals.
    I have had these all nearly 25 years. And I have remastered this tape also. I just don't know where it is but it's not a question... just a meaning of to an end.
    So as I listen my first vinyl ever, Ceremony's (almost fully listened second pressing) it's great to see that "Music written by Joy Division"... So they made kinda a cover from it.
    And so they really did.
    "Chicken's won't stop"-record pressing's note between the track & ... as "Wish You Were Here" on b-side.

  • @presentedadeusa3635
    @presentedadeusa3635 9 років тому +10

    pqp! emociona demais...

  • @axeldlr10
    @axeldlr10 2 роки тому +1

    I love this song, and this version with Ian it is amazing, I can feel his pain. It's a bautiful sad song

  • @christinahorton15
    @christinahorton15 2 роки тому +1

    Legend. Thank you Ian for your soul touching music❤️

  • @jasonjones1690
    @jasonjones1690 5 років тому +1

    makes me feel so sad.......when I was young listening and even more so now.......

  • @Onemoretimetine
    @Onemoretimetine 10 місяців тому

    And then Hooky formed his own band Peter Hook & the Light and brought back the true heart and soul of Joy Division/New Order. Thanks Hooky - forever grateful!! Fans of over 42 years - seen them live x7 times with x3 more booked. Can't get enough. Hooky is Joy Division and New Order. If you are a fan try and catch a gig - pure total joy!!!

  • @sorryimsosad
    @sorryimsosad 2 роки тому +21

    Ian was one of the sensitive ones. The ones who need the most protection but ends up the loneliest

    • @smkxodnwbwkdns8369
      @smkxodnwbwkdns8369 2 роки тому +5

      nonsense. ian had friends, lovers, and family. he was no more sensitive than anyone else. he killed himself because he had physical health problems that made his life intolerable.

  • @jamlhubderso.3166
    @jamlhubderso.3166 2 роки тому +2

    This such a gem! This is a hit much better with ians voice and orignal sound! 🎶

  • @ButterflyRoseX
    @ButterflyRoseX 13 років тому +1

    One of my all-time *Favourites*.. No words...

  • @raimywinter2309
    @raimywinter2309 Рік тому

    Thank you Ian.🌹🙏🏻

  • @jumofi
    @jumofi Рік тому +1

    First time I heard this song in 1988 I immediately hated it. Two years later I bought Still album it became one of my favorite songs forever! Times change indeed...

  • @Yamswool
    @Yamswool 9 років тому +18

    This is why events unnerve me,
    They find it all, a different story,
    Notice whom for wheels are turning,
    Turn again and turn towards this time,
    All she ask's the strength to hold me,
    Then again the same old story,
    World will travel, oh so quickly,
    Travel first and lean towards this time.
    Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown,
    Heaven knows, it's got to be this time,
    Watching her, these things she said,
    The times she cried,
    Too frail to wake this time.
    Oh I'll break them down, no mercy shown
    Heaven knows, it's got to be this time,
    Avenues all lined with trees,
    Picture me and then you start watching,
    Watching forever, forever,
    Watching love grow, forever,
    Letting me know, forever.

    • @Yamswool
      @Yamswool 9 років тому

      ***** Yeah, the difference between the two is very evident. I posted Sumner's interpretation so that I could see the difference. And for others as well. I read the entry in wikipedia, "

    • @Yamswool
      @Yamswool 9 років тому +3

      ***** "Sumner said that he had to put the "Ceremony" rehearsal tape as sung by Curtis through a graphic equalizer to transcribe the lyrics." And I said to myself, well that didn't work out too well, did it.

    • @djunawn7213
      @djunawn7213 9 років тому +17

      This is why it's so unnerving.
      Then again the same old story.
      This is why the wheels are turning.
      Turn away and turn again this time.
      This is not the same old story.
      Not again, but we will be here.
      Travel fast and no-one stopping.
      Turn again and turn towards this time.
      I'll break them all, no mercy shown.
      Heaven knows, it's got to get closer.
      What she heard, the things they did.
      The times she cried.
      Too frail to wake this time.
      I'll break them all, no mercy shown.
      Heaven knows, it's got to be closer.
      Avenues all lined with trees.
      Picture me and then you start watching.
      Watching forever, watching forever.
      Everything, let it be so.
      For everything, let it be so.
      Let it be so, let it be so

    • @user-vd7io9jc8f
      @user-vd7io9jc8f 7 років тому

      Djuna WN
      Wow this actually sounds really accurate, did you transcribe it yourself or did you get this version from somewhere?

    • @thunderclap113
      @thunderclap113 6 років тому +1

      Here's what I think it is, from a mixture of already transcribed lyrics and what I could hear:
      This is why it feels unnerving
      Then again the same old story
      This is why the wheels are turning
      Turn away, turn towards this time
      Listen now, the saviour calling,
      Time again, and he would be here,
      Travelled fast, but now I'm stopping,
      Think again and change its way this time
      I'll break them all, no mercy shown
      Heaven knows it's got to get closer
      Watching her, a sinking ship
      The times she cried, too frail to wake this time
      I'll break them all, no mercy shown
      Heaven knows he's got to be stronger
      Avenues all lined with trees
      Picture me, and then you start watching
      Watching forever
      Watching forever
      I was told, where your faith goes
      Now I was told, may it be so
      Truth be told, shall it be so

  • @2visiondigital
    @2visiondigital Рік тому +1

    Holy Crap, we all could use a hug forever.

  • @erikjmineers3816
    @erikjmineers3816 4 роки тому +1

    This song and band both brilliant it's almost like he knew or had a premonition his time was up literally stirs every emotion imaginable into me when I listen to this song

  • @juanfacundors
    @juanfacundors 7 років тому +3

    Este tema desde el.primer día que lo escuche me erizó la piel, la melodía puede estar en tu cabeza todo el día, sin chocar con ninguna de las paredes de tu cerebro, fluyendo.

  • @bartvanleeuwen9190
    @bartvanleeuwen9190 4 роки тому +4

    best version period. Ian is on this one.