Worked at Vickers,Elswick and later the new factory ay at Scotswood from 1974 until 2000. Made parts in the machine shop for all the different vehicles including revcovery and bridgelayers.With the fall of the Shah in Iran work on a big order of an upgraded vehicle was stopped overnight.Also made spares for Abbot SPG.andwe also built the turrets for the Warrior APC.T10-55 behind the tanks you can see a Valker wheeled personel carrier.We built two prototypes (developed from the Begian BDX.One was sold to Kuwait but its was lost during the first Gulf war.I also worked on Challenger2 and Crarrv.
We moved to Newcastle just as Vickers moved to Scotswood - the ship yards were busy patching up the damage done by the Falklands war. The factory is still there but is in other hands now.
Even as a child passing elswick and seeing it basically deserted filled me with a great sorrow. Seeing this gigantically long factory be basically empty really set in from an early age what austere Britain was actually like. Even today I look at it and feel a tear in my eye from the rich history of the factory and the empty husk it is today.
India was offered MK3 variant but went for T-72 due to soviat influence & diplomacy, Vijayanta was loved by Armored corp & state run DRDO even upgraded few last once with Soviat V-46-6 engine & addon kanchan Armour plates, Vijayanta even had a coffee machine..
Procurement is usually about diplomacy. British influence was certainly a big factor in why India bought Centurions and Vickers Mk.1 tanks in the first place.
With all due respect for the vickers mkiii, i feel like that was the correct choice as the T-72 was far more advanced while being priced the same
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This is one of those tanks that was a bit under the radar for me. At a point where I thought I already new pretty much all major tank types I cam across it and was quite surprised. Certainly intersting to see that the vickers 6 t wasn't the only export success of vickers. Hopefully some museum will preserve one.
Hope you'll get better soon and get back with more interesting info to share, I thoroughly enjoy these in-depth discussions of yours. I'm also looking forward to your collaborations with The Tanks Encyclopedia YT channel. They may lend a couple more subscribers as well ;)
This is actually comment about the advertisement. I really liked how you address the advertising and you talked about what you liked about the game and I really appreciate that because it's novel and it's interesting and it makes the advertising way more fun and instead of being a chore to watch and listen to it sexy entertaining you guys are entertaining when you do the regular analysis of the vehicles and you guys are entertaining when it comes to doing the analysis of the games.
Is there a as you guys realize that I came here to watch you do analysis of the vehicles and not the video games or whatever else there is. Then I'm down with that I think it's way more fun to have somebody was interesting doing these advertisements rather than having to slog through some horrible advertising thank you for making it entertainment. Just please please please don't get caught up in making that your focus please remain focused on the vehicles and the military stuff. I just found your channel so I don't have a fully-formed opinion yet so far what I've seen I like. You've gotten a lot better as you've gone along the sum of the first videos I saw we're just horrible you can see my comments but as you've gotten better it's way more interesting to watch and I appreciate it.
It seems to me that western tanks of the Cold War era were struggling to keep up in armoured protection against their Soviet counterparts, although the Chieftain came close. The T54/55, T62 and T72 tanks all sported excellent armour on tanks around the 40 ton mark with adequate guns and speed. There probably are compromises in Soviet design, but their battle attributes in armour and firepower seem to have been recognised and feared by the west just the same.
it is also clear to me that Vickers.. could and should have their own damn techtree in wot and or war thunder.. a tree all their own seeing how they aimed for Parity against every other design ever made lol if X company made it Vickers had a analog version in the works lol
Im surprised WT hasn't given where they have the vickers currently has a lot of room in the line, although the mk4 may be a bit to similar to the already in game mk7 so the mk4 goes to premium.
It was a cockup, ive got the ATDU report by P.Flach here, some of it was Vickers, some local, organising a night even then forgettign to provide any night equipmnt, or a speed test with no stopwatches etc, while the vehicle performed well enough it was still poorly organised, and its not the first time either.
@@armouredarchives8867 I was only interested in the vehicle performance. Pity one member of the 'crew' got so pissed on the flight out - took him a week to recover!
@@jimimber164 ahh yes vehicle worked well enough, a few small issues but fixed on the spot, much better than the dubai test where the wrong vehicle was sent at least!
I wonder why they turned it down though. Was the seller just asking for an exorbitant amount, did they not have enough space at the time, surely it isn't just because it is a Vickers. It is quite sad in any case.
@@CrusaderSports250 yes it was either the valkry or timoney the valkry was based on ,they in a janes book i have they made some valkry for kuwait just as iraq invaded vickers did ,but they never bought them and they are cool expensive apc s they were .
I have been watching so far all your vids on the Vickers MBT tanks and I whish there was more information of its combat record with India, Kuwait and recently with Nigeria have you more information as its hard to come buy.
given vickers history and the majority of entities that adopted their gear. it is clear to me in the Game of life.. Vickers was making the enemy npc's gear :P
Story of Vickers sounds like the death of British manufacturing. And consolidated predecessors. Making British manufacturing reliant on just a few in modern day BAE or Rolls Royce.
You forgot the Mark 3UL (UL for Ultra Long gun) This was a standard Mark 3(I) - but with a unique difference. The L7 105mm gun had a 'ultra long' barrel...2-4 kilometers long. It was designed to give a guaranteed, first shot hit capability. Vickers sold the tanks as groups of 5. The barrels of each of the five tanks would be 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5 and 4 kilometers in length. One for each, relative link of engagement. Strangely enough. The concept never took off. And the 2 kilometer long prototype ended up decapitating several hundred seniors at a rest home. You see, the barrels were lined with razor blades so that they could cut a wide swath of destruction on enemy, dismounted infantry - while the gun moved horizontally. Sadly, as the turret was rotated (using a nuclear reactor)? The barrel cut though a group of seniors - playing shuffleboard - outside of their rest home. And 234 seniors were decapitated...mostly men. The idea was quietly scrapped after that - along with the prototype. Seriously - a shame that none may end up surviving. Thank you for this. ☮
So the two early chances to sell were ruined by a poor sales effort and the third had a customer who liked the product but could not afford to finance the factory. Quite typical of the period really. Engineers let down by administration, a bit like today!
Bloody shame about the Vickers tank series not getting bought more. It seem to better then the Centurion in some respects but you know how pig headed the limeys can be. Lol
Worked at Vickers,Elswick and later the new factory ay at Scotswood from 1974 until 2000. Made parts in the machine shop for all the different vehicles including revcovery and bridgelayers.With the fall of the Shah in Iran work on a big order of an upgraded vehicle was stopped overnight.Also made spares for Abbot SPG.andwe also built the turrets for the Warrior APC.T10-55 behind the tanks you can see a Valker wheeled personel carrier.We built two prototypes (developed from the Begian BDX.One was sold to Kuwait but its was lost during the first Gulf war.I also worked on Challenger2 and Crarrv.
As usual, unprecedented level of detail, history and wonderful visuals - great work, and much appreciated! 👍
Well written and well read. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Some of the later ones looked like bloody good tanks.
Subscribed and thumbs-upped. Keep it up.
Awesome, thank you!
gee, ed, sorry to hear you are unwell - best wishes for a speedy recovery :)
We moved to Newcastle just as Vickers moved to Scotswood - the ship yards were busy patching up the damage done by the Falklands war. The factory is still there but is in other hands now.
indeed it is, last i saw it was hired to several small firms for furniture making and so on
Even as a child passing elswick and seeing it basically deserted filled me with a great sorrow. Seeing this gigantically long factory be basically empty really set in from an early age what austere Britain was actually like. Even today I look at it and feel a tear in my eye from the rich history of the factory and the empty husk it is today.
I feel like vickers made the best export tank at the time
India was offered MK3 variant but went for T-72 due to soviat influence & diplomacy, Vijayanta was loved by Armored corp & state run DRDO even upgraded few last once with Soviat V-46-6 engine & addon kanchan Armour plates, Vijayanta even had a coffee machine..
Procurement is usually about diplomacy. British influence was certainly a big factor in why India bought Centurions and Vickers Mk.1 tanks in the first place.
With all due respect for the vickers mkiii, i feel like that was the correct choice as the T-72 was far more advanced while being priced the same
This is one of those tanks that was a bit under the radar for me.
At a point where I thought I already new pretty much all major tank types I cam across it and was quite surprised.
Certainly intersting to see that the vickers 6 t wasn't the only export success of vickers.
Hopefully some museum will preserve one.
Great Video , I noticed the picture of the turret interior is upside down. So many top class videos from you.
Better than some of the competition with many more subscribers! Good job!
Thanks! 😃
Hope you'll get better soon and get back with more interesting info to share, I thoroughly enjoy these in-depth discussions of yours. I'm also looking forward to your collaborations with The Tanks Encyclopedia YT channel. They may lend a couple more subscribers as well ;)
Another brilliant video, I knew about the Vickers Mk3 but I learnt quite a bit that I didn't know before. I hope you're feeling a lot better.
the MK3i is an absolutely gorgeous tank
This is actually comment about the advertisement. I really liked how you address the advertising and you talked about what you liked about the game and I really appreciate that because it's novel and it's interesting and it makes the advertising way more fun and instead of being a chore to watch and listen to it sexy entertaining you guys are entertaining when you do the regular analysis of the vehicles and you guys are entertaining when it comes to doing the analysis of the games.
Is there a as you guys realize that I came here to watch you do analysis of the vehicles and not the video games or whatever else there is. Then I'm down with that I think it's way more fun to have somebody was interesting doing these advertisements rather than having to slog through some horrible advertising thank you for making it entertainment. Just please please please don't get caught up in making that your focus please remain focused on the vehicles and the military stuff. I just found your channel so I don't have a fully-formed opinion yet so far what I've seen I like. You've gotten a lot better as you've gone along the sum of the first videos I saw we're just horrible you can see my comments but as you've gotten better it's way more interesting to watch and I appreciate it.
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Great video
It's quite unfortunate that none of these are really preserved. The Mk.3i is one of my favourite vehicles, shame it never went anywhere!
yeah very much so, it would not require much to get one from another country, but it would need a home to go to
I just got stuck driving behind a Mark 3 in Gilgil, Kenya.
Come to Kenya and you will see lots of those.
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I still wonder why they decided to reduce the armor thickness of the for the Mk. 3 cast turret given that the weight saving must have been marginal.
It seems to me that western tanks of the Cold War era were struggling to keep up in armoured protection against their Soviet counterparts, although the Chieftain came close. The T54/55, T62 and T72 tanks all sported excellent armour on tanks around the 40 ton mark with adequate guns and speed. There probably are compromises in Soviet design, but their battle attributes in armour and firepower seem to have been recognised and feared by the west just the same.
it is also clear to me that Vickers.. could and should have their own damn techtree in wot and or war thunder.. a tree all their own seeing how they aimed for Parity against every other design ever made lol if X company made it Vickers had a analog version in the works lol
yeahhh but WOT would bugger it all up
Im surprised WT hasn't given where they have the vickers currently has a lot of room in the line, although the mk4 may be a bit to similar to the already in game mk7 so the mk4 goes to premium.
Vickers seemed to be regarded as a threat to Big British Tank.
I feel like the vickers tanks are like british leopards there a extremely sturdy design
Edit: also war thunder should add the mk3 modifications
The tanks look good
Quite interesting, they looked rough as toast!
Mk3 in Thailand. The team did NOT 'Cock it Up', the trial was a success. The US bought the contract.
It was a cockup, ive got the ATDU report by P.Flach here, some of it was Vickers, some local, organising a night even then forgettign to provide any night equipmnt, or a speed test with no stopwatches etc, while the vehicle performed well enough it was still poorly organised, and its not the first time either.
@@armouredarchives8867 I was only interested in the vehicle performance. Pity one member of the 'crew' got so pissed on the flight out - took him a week to recover!
@@jimimber164 ahh yes vehicle worked well enough, a few small issues but fixed on the spot, much better than the dubai test where the wrong vehicle was sent at least!
Shows you how long it has been since the UK had much commercial success designing and exporting MBTs
Bit shocked to hear our museum turned down a tank, so much for caring about history
I wonder why they turned it down though. Was the seller just asking for an exorbitant amount, did they not have enough space at the time, surely it isn't just because it is a Vickers. It is quite sad in any case.
oh and was that the vickers valkyr int background i saw or the timoney just changed a bit ? but that was a good a p c no body bought the valkyr .
I noticed the rather neat looking apc as well and wondered what and who's it was, will now have to look it up.
@@CrusaderSports250 yes it was either the valkry or timoney the valkry was based on ,they in a janes book i have they made some valkry for kuwait just as iraq invaded vickers did ,but they never bought them and they are cool expensive apc s they were .
Good, well researched videos. Enjoy subbing to your channel which is a good supplement to other historical sources.
I have been watching so far all your vids on the Vickers MBT tanks and I whish there was more information of its combat record with India, Kuwait and recently with Nigeria have you more information as its hard to come buy.
not hard, but accurate? thats a diff game. the indian statistics are almost fantasy levels of made up sadly.
Nearly gave it the L60, Fuck that could have killed it
Why arent the tank museum interested in having one? Seems a bit snooty.
Probably not german enough for them :P
@@armouredarchives8867 Thanks for the reply, keep up the amazing work!
@@armouredarchives8867 seems to be run for the Wehraboos
Great content, you can also see many photos of the Vickers Mk 3 used by Boko Haram today.
11:00 isn't the mk7 just a Leopard 2 hull with a new..., ohh that makes sense.
I could be very wrong, but im sure i saw one of these when i was in Lulworth camp, this would be 90-91.
A friend thinks ATD might have had one, amongst others, knocking around Lulworth in the late 80’s
given vickers history and the majority of entities that adopted their gear. it is clear to me in the Game of life.. Vickers was making the enemy npc's gear :P
better than the leopard 1 ,cool tank that there more tea vickers .
That's a... questionable statement O_O
Nooo, not all scrapped. I wonder what the scrap value of a Vickers mk 3i would be... Probably not as much as the cost of shipping to the UK though.
get well soon
remember the Valentine ...
I have always thought the Mk3i was a good looking tank
8:21 Shilka? sgt york? vickers has an analog. lol
11:29 i'll take one me me i will
One would look good sitting out the front of my house.,😊.
Story of Vickers sounds like the death of British manufacturing. And consolidated predecessors. Making British manufacturing reliant on just a few in modern day BAE or Rolls Royce.
The mk4 was cursed lol
You forgot the Mark 3UL (UL for Ultra Long gun)
This was a standard Mark 3(I) - but with a unique difference.
The L7 105mm gun had a 'ultra long' barrel...2-4 kilometers long.
It was designed to give a guaranteed, first shot hit capability.
Vickers sold the tanks as groups of 5.
The barrels of each of the five tanks would be 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5 and 4 kilometers in length.
One for each, relative link of engagement.
Strangely enough.
The concept never took off.
And the 2 kilometer long prototype ended up decapitating several hundred seniors at a rest home.
You see, the barrels were lined with razor blades so that they could cut a wide swath of destruction on enemy, dismounted infantry - while the gun moved horizontally.
Sadly, as the turret was rotated (using a nuclear reactor)?
The barrel cut though a group of seniors - playing shuffleboard - outside of their rest home.
And 234 seniors were decapitated...mostly men.
The idea was quietly scrapped after that - along with the prototype.
Seriously - a shame that none may end up surviving.
Thank you for this.
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You have an interesting channel, it's good. Though why would you pronounce ''sabow'' as ''saybo''? 🤔
just an accent thing i guess, if i wanted to be really pernickity i could do it in the correct frenc term which is more sa-boo
So the two early chances to sell were ruined by a poor sales effort and the third had a customer who liked the product but could not afford to finance the factory. Quite typical of the period really. Engineers let down by administration, a bit like today!
yes the vickers sales side wand in hindsight, abysmal
not interested what museum was this, i hope its not the one i am thinking about
Bloody shame about the Vickers tank series not getting bought more. It seem to better then the Centurion in some respects but you know how pig headed the limeys can be. Lol
pig headed limey politicians and their side kicks