Me too. I love to take the time to know the limit of every instrument. After all they have to sound. On the other hand I noticed that musician who stick on one specific setup actually play better on that specific setup. Stange! isn´t it?
@@EdgarRuss Yes, I suppose they are very used to it. I've noticed that I get a better sound out of my violin than a friend (who is a good player) gets out of my violin. I guess it's because know it well 😊. I'm going to try a longer tailpiece on my violin because the current one is fairly far from the saddle. I need to do this, otherwise I won't think that I've tried everything. It sounds good as is, but I need to test out a longer one 😄
Yes! I'd subscribed and it's another thumbs up from Singapore! Thank you for these very insightful lessons. I hope I can go to your shop one day. Wishing you well post COVID.
Hello Edgar! Thanks for the videos you make, I love them! I wanted to ask what you think of the tailpiece in the shape of a harp (the one with the most space for the G and C strings in Viola) thanks :)
By the way, i own several very beautyful chinrests of ebony, rosewood, boxwood…. but what have i mounted on each instrument at least? The Wittner chinrests made of plastics! Why? They are adjustable, mainly in height! Therefore a question: Would you ever buy a bicycle, where you can‘t adjust the height of the saddle or the handle bar?
Thanks something you can only test with special equipment. Similar as it is used in the car industry. A tiny "digital senso hammer which registered and measures the surface how it bounches back each time you knock on the piece. Pretty interesting toy! And expensive!
What is a crunchy E-string? I have a small ebony on the side and my E-string has more ring and sustain without chinrest, the chinrest damps the sustain of the open E-string. Should I change the chinrest?
Interesting! On a violin I have never even tried. Give me some time. I have written it on my list of videos to be made in future. all the best from Cremona Edgar
ah I have subscribed at last! I have watched many of your video's and I have learned so much! Thank you! In regard to the chin rest, I am left handed and there is effectively zero choice in just about anything regarding the violin apart from the bow and strings. It is heart breaking even though I understand the fiscal needs of makers and manufacturers. I am also 65yrs old and a learner, please bear that in mind regarding my comments. I would imagine the player who can afford the best of the best (an Edgar Russ of course!!) should know what he or she wants from the instrument and perhaps experiment with different chin rests to find what suits their style, needs and the instrument best.
Thanks Kevin, Your comment gave me a new idea. Very likely I will get some left-handed Chinrest made very soon. And then I will build of every line a left handed instrument. Thanks again for your comment. All the best from Cremona Edgar
@@EdgarRuss I do believe there is a very small market waiting to be filled. It was the same for guitars... left handed were very rare before the 1950's. Now every major maker has left handed models, there are left handed guitar groups all over social media, and they can be great places for networking and free advertising for the makers of good instruments. the players give much credit to makers who have left handed instruments to offer. I believe it is a case for strings that someone makes the leap. Without that, the market will never see it's potential. Your comment here has made my heart sing! There is hope!! ;)) Grazie Grazie Grazie!!!
I would have said from pure aesthetics I like Hill style pegs and bridge in boxwood along with the smaller chin rest in boxwood. But you've opened me up to not matching.
It gets too sharp. Once you have it all you will understand. It s like dreaming of a sports car to be faster and once you have it you understand why other cars still exist. A great Instrument needs to be able to make different sounds to be expressive like a human. Someone who laughs all the time becomes a pain in the neck. Don't you think so? Edgar
Hi Edgar, personally I would never want one of the small chin rests, I have seen violin tops get ruined from the clamping force.. I just feel much safer with one attached where the block is. My favourite style is a smaller one that is just above the tailpiece, it’s very nice for American old-time style fiddle playing, or traditional Celtic styles (I don’t think it’s very common). I’m personally not too fussed with the wood type used.
Fittings pieces don't have to be the same or match in color .For optimum sound result. Yes many people prefare box wood tail piece because light in weight to get better sound. I like Rose Wood for pegs. Matter of try and change. Others affecting sound : - Strings type . - bow quality. - Bridge quality. - sound post.
Nice idea! But I think it is quite important that the grain is somehow along the shaft of the pegs. Usually the wood used for pipe making is pretty irregular. And it seems too heavy to me. But it would look awesome! all the best from Cremona Edgar
Thanks Edgar. Very interesting. For the chin rest, would this be also depending on the player who may prefer how high it shall be or if it is on the side or in the middle? Also matters I think if the player uses a shoulder rest or not. For me I am still in search for one that fits me for playing with no shoulder rest. ;)
Well Simon, Central or sideways chinrest, shoulder rest or no shoulder rest? That's a good question! First check what you prefer for comfort than check the sound. Than put all the results on mental scale and see what is the winning version for you. All the best from Cremona Edgar
I'm a beginner (a bit more than a year). After several failed attempts, it was the Kreddle chin rest that helped me get rid of the shoulder rest a few months ago. It took some patience and a lot of adjusting (the Kreddle is extremely adjustable), but after a week or so, I was as comfortable as I was with the shoulder rest. I highly recommend it. What is amazing is that I just discovered I do not seem to need the Kreddle any more. Out of curiosity, I switched back to my old chin rest, and I can still play fine without the shoulder rest. After months of practice with the Kreddle, I just got used to playing without a shoulder rest. It's like the Kreddle was training wheels. :) Good luck with your search!
@@SeasickSailor76I love the Kreddle! Even though it was designed to be used without a shoulder pad, I use it with a shoulder pad. My neck is so tall that I use the taller Kreddle strut alongside a Bon Musica shoulder pad on (almost) it’s highest height setting. Together, they solved the tension issues which had plagued me.
Very interesting Edgar. In my opinion, what matters is how it sounds. But some require a look to match the sound. My question is that if the weight of the tailpiece affects the sound, would it be a good idea to have a "tenue able" tailpiece?
I bought it recently. Well, yes, the sound is a little bit sharper, but i don't like it, because I already have a titanium tailpiece and an end button(also titanium) and it's too sharp with a protector...but if you don't have any titanium fittings, the protector will make your instrument a little bit sharper. But just a little bit
It costs very little and it makes the e string slightly brighter. Definitely worth to try. On the violin it changes more than for instance on the cello. So after all I think it is a valueable accessory which might help many musicians to raise a string or to protect the bridge.
Greetings Maestro. As usual another helpful and interesting video! Since the video is about set up it raises a question some other players and curious minds may also be interested in. I see at least on cellos that harp style tailpieces are popular. On the sites that sell them they speak of better achieving a perfect 5th with them on the G and C strings etc. In the future could you please elaborate on the subject? Thank you as always.
Greetings Maestro two questions: a. What’s your opinion on Harp-style tailpieces? b. For central chinrests ( such as Flesch or Berber) is there a type of wood you think usually favors the sound or you think it doesn’t make a difference if it’s sideways or central?
I am not a fan of Harp shaped tailpieces. It changes a lot. but most of the times it changes but is not really better. Too often changing and better are mixed up. Central or sideways? that's a good question. First check what you prefer for comfort than check the sound. Than put all the results on mental scale and see what is the winning version for you. All the best from Cremona Edgar
Hello Edgar, i think at least the pegs and the tailpiece should match in style, wood and color. The chinrest may vary. Especially when the tone or brightness varies to much, then change the wood e.g. take an ebony chinrest to the boxwood or rosewood setup. Greetings from Aalen/Germany! 😊
Aesthetics are just aesthetics and do not matter, except to the owner, but if something is chosen, just for aesthetics, and is detrimental to the sound, then it is simply wrong. Nothing is more important than the sound. That is what musical instruments are all about. 🎶🎶🎶
I go with what sounds best. Doesn't matter if it's matching.
Me too. I love to take the time to know the limit of every instrument.
After all they have to sound.
On the other hand I noticed that musician who stick on one specific setup actually play better on that specific setup.
Stange! isn´t it?
@@EdgarRuss Yes, I suppose they are very used to it. I've noticed that I get a better sound out of my violin than a friend (who is a good player) gets out of my violin. I guess it's because know it well 😊.
I'm going to try a longer tailpiece on my violin because the current one is fairly far from the saddle. I need to do this, otherwise I won't think that I've tried everything. It sounds good as is, but I need to test out a longer one 😄
Yes! I'd subscribed and it's another thumbs up from Singapore! Thank you for these very insightful lessons. I hope I can go to your shop one day. Wishing you well post COVID.
Hi Emeritus, thank you
Hello Edgar! Thanks for the videos you make, I love them! I wanted to ask what you think of the tailpiece in the shape of a harp (the one with the most space for the G and C strings in Viola) thanks :)
By the way, i own several very beautyful chinrests of ebony, rosewood, boxwood…. but what have i mounted on each instrument at least? The Wittner chinrests made of plastics! Why? They are adjustable, mainly in height! Therefore a question: Would you ever buy a bicycle, where you can‘t adjust the height of the saddle or the handle bar?
I agree with you
Maestro Russ, you mentioned testing of the tailpiece frequency.
How would someone go about doing that?
Thanks something you can only test with special equipment. Similar as it is used in the car industry. A tiny "digital senso hammer which registered and measures the surface how it bounches back each time you knock on the piece.
Pretty interesting toy!
And expensive!
@@EdgarRuss: Thank you.
For pegs, the preference would be the plain swiss model? its uncomfortable to tune those with pip or nipple as friction pegs need to push in.
I feel ebony pegs are better for tuning. They seem to get stuck less than others.
Hi from america. Your tip for waxing the threads on bow adj. Knob, excellant. I am most greatful. Sincerely chris e. Usa
What is a crunchy E-string?
I have a small ebony on the side and my E-string has more ring and sustain without chinrest, the chinrest damps the sustain of the open E-string. Should I change the chinrest?
can you make a video with a tailpiece making 1/5th and 1/6th string length ratio to see how different it sounds ?
Interesting!
On a violin I have never even tried.
Give me some time. I have written it on my list of videos to be made in future.
all the best from Cremona
Edgar
ah I have subscribed at last! I have watched many of your video's and I have learned so much! Thank you!
In regard to the chin rest, I am left handed and there is effectively zero choice in just about anything regarding the violin apart from the bow and strings. It is heart breaking even though I understand the fiscal needs of makers and manufacturers. I am also 65yrs old and a learner, please bear that in mind regarding my comments.
I would imagine the player who can afford the best of the best (an Edgar Russ of course!!) should know what he or she wants from the instrument and perhaps experiment with different chin rests to find what suits their style, needs and the instrument best.
Thanks Kevin, Your comment gave me a new idea. Very likely I will get some left-handed Chinrest made very soon. And then I will build of every line a left handed instrument.
Thanks again for your comment.
All the best from Cremona
Edgar
@@EdgarRuss I do believe there is a very small market waiting to be filled. It was the same for guitars... left handed were very rare before the 1950's. Now every major maker has left handed models, there are left handed guitar groups all over social media, and they can be great places for networking and free advertising for the makers of good instruments. the players give much credit to makers who have left handed instruments to offer. I believe it is a case for strings that someone makes the leap. Without that, the market will never see it's potential. Your comment here has made my heart sing! There is hope!! ;)) Grazie Grazie Grazie!!!
I would have said from pure aesthetics I like Hill style pegs and bridge in boxwood along with the smaller chin rest in boxwood. But you've opened me up to not matching.
I think its worth checking out!
Edgar
Edgar, what do you think of a titanium tailpiece or titanium tail gut, or end button? Like Stradpet from Aliexpress?
It gets too sharp. Once you have it all you will understand.
It s like dreaming of a sports car to be faster and once you have it you understand why other cars still exist.
A great Instrument needs to be able to make different sounds to be expressive like a human.
Someone who laughs all the time becomes a pain in the neck.
Don't you think so?
Edgar
Hi Edgar, personally I would never want one of the small chin rests, I have seen violin tops get ruined from the clamping force.. I just feel much safer with one attached where the block is. My favourite style is a smaller one that is just above the tailpiece, it’s very nice for American old-time style fiddle playing, or traditional Celtic styles (I don’t think it’s very common). I’m personally not too fussed with the wood type used.
👍🏼
Fittings pieces don't have to be the same or match in color .For optimum sound result.
Yes many people prefare box wood tail piece because light in weight to get better sound.
I like Rose Wood for pegs.
Matter of try and change.
Others affecting sound :
- Strings type .
- bow quality.
- Bridge quality.
- sound post.
I agree, Nasser!
all the best from Cremona
Edgar
Having hard time to choose box wood, ebony, pernambuco or rose wood for the tailpiece and peg for better sound setup.
How comes?
What is your suggestion?
What about using the Erica Carnea , or Italian heather wood for smoke pipe? to make those fittings
Nice idea! But I think it is quite important that the grain is somehow along the shaft of the pegs. Usually the wood used for pipe making is pretty irregular.
And it seems too heavy to me.
But it would look awesome!
all the best from Cremona
Edgar
Thanks Edgar. Very interesting. For the chin rest, would this be also depending on the player who may prefer how high it shall be or if it is on the side or in the middle? Also matters I think if the player uses a shoulder rest or not. For me I am still in search for one that fits me for playing with no shoulder rest. ;)
Well Simon, Central or sideways chinrest, shoulder rest or no shoulder rest?
That's a good question!
First check what you prefer for comfort than check the sound.
Than put all the results on mental scale and see what is the winning version for you.
All the best from Cremona
Edgar
I'm a beginner (a bit more than a year). After several failed attempts, it was the Kreddle chin rest that helped me get rid of the shoulder rest a few months ago. It took some patience and a lot of adjusting (the Kreddle is extremely adjustable), but after a week or so, I was as comfortable as I was with the shoulder rest. I highly recommend it.
What is amazing is that I just discovered I do not seem to need the Kreddle any more. Out of curiosity, I switched back to my old chin rest, and I can still play fine without the shoulder rest. After months of practice with the Kreddle, I just got used to playing without a shoulder rest. It's like the Kreddle was training wheels. :) Good luck with your search!
@@SeasickSailor76 thank you! I'll look it up.
@@SeasickSailor76I love the Kreddle! Even though it was designed to be used without a shoulder pad, I use it with a shoulder pad. My neck is so tall that I use the taller Kreddle strut alongside a Bon Musica shoulder pad on (almost) it’s highest height setting. Together, they solved the tension issues which had plagued me.
Very interesting Edgar. In my opinion, what matters is how it sounds. But some require a look to match the sound. My question is that if the weight of the tailpiece affects the sound, would it be a good idea to have a "tenue able" tailpiece?
Sorry Hassan, But I don't get your question.
What do you mean with "tenue able"?
@@EdgarRuss I wanted to say that, if its possible to make a tailpiece that can be tuned/adjusted to give the best sound
Does it sound better to use titiam protection on the bridge?
I bought it recently. Well, yes, the sound is a little bit sharper, but i don't like it, because I already have a titanium tailpiece and an end button(also titanium) and it's too sharp with a protector...but if you don't have any titanium fittings, the protector will make your instrument a little bit sharper. But just a little bit
@@dimakeylin Exactly! 👌🏼
It costs very little and it makes the e string slightly brighter. Definitely worth to try.
On the violin it changes more than for instance on the cello. So after all I think it is a valueable accessory which might help many musicians to raise a string or to protect the bridge.
Greetings Maestro. As usual another helpful and interesting video! Since the video is about set up it raises a question some other players and curious minds may also be interested in. I see at least on cellos that harp style tailpieces are popular. On the sites that sell them they speak of better achieving a perfect 5th with them on the G and C strings etc. In the future could you please elaborate on the subject? Thank you as always.
Hi Charly!
I will do my best and research on this matter and will fit the best sounding tailpiece on your new cello.
All the best from Cremona
Edgar
I have absolute faith in you Edgar.
Greetings Maestro two questions:
a. What’s your opinion on Harp-style tailpieces?
b. For central chinrests ( such as Flesch or Berber) is there a type of wood you think usually favors the sound or you think it doesn’t make a difference if it’s sideways or central?
I am not a fan of Harp shaped tailpieces. It changes a lot. but most of the times it changes but is not really better. Too often changing and better are mixed up.
Central or sideways? that's a good question.
First check what you prefer for comfort than check the sound.
Than put all the results on mental scale and see what is the winning version for you.
All the best from Cremona
Edgar
Thank you for your , response Maestro. Hope you have a wonderful day!!
Hello Edgar, i think at least the pegs and the tailpiece should match in style, wood and color. The chinrest may vary. Especially when the tone or brightness varies to much, then change the wood e.g. take an ebony chinrest to the boxwood or rosewood setup. Greetings from Aalen/Germany! 😊
Genau so mache ich das!
All the best from Cremona
Edgar
Are you know GERALD CROWSON fittings?
As long as it sounds good to me... That is the thing with string instruments...
Thanks for your comment!
All the best from Cremona
Edgar
Aesthetics are just aesthetics and do not matter, except to the owner, but if something
is chosen, just for aesthetics, and is detrimental to the sound, then it is simply wrong.
Nothing is more important than the sound. That is what musical instruments are all about. 🎶🎶🎶
That´s true!
Edgar