I started out as a Police Officer in 76. I Carried religiously off duty as per rules and regs. I went through a laundry list of guns including the 45 full size, the 45 commander (LW) and the Officers model. None of those lasted long in the South West where I lived and worked. What did work was a S&W 66 2.5" version of my duty gun and the G19 which I also carried on duty ditching the G17. Yeah I tried the shoulder holster, hated it. When I retired I stopped carrying anything for a few years then seeing the way my hometown was descending both politically (LIBERAL) and on the street started carrying again with the LEOSA option. Now I still carry every day, all day but have reverted to pocket carry and cargo pants. I know should there be a home invasion (I now live in South Central TX and illegals are everywhere) I won't have time to open the safe. My Hellcat with optic (I'm old damnit) sits in my pants pocket and is comfortable. I do not want a gun fight, I just want myself and my wife to survive should unpleasantness happen in spite of me with my head on a swivel. I want to be able to leave in the same condition I arrived at that location.
As a commissioned park ranger I seldom carried even though graduating from the police academy , park policy. I did keep a small pistol in my pocket when working alone at night, and working with conservation officers. In my 38 years of service with the Department Of Conservation I became very good in reading human behavior, There were many times when my hand was on my pistol when I knew something was about to happen. and quit a few physical altercations. I totally agree you.
Agreed 100 percent. I can’t say how many times I avoided having to fight or shoot simply because I read the situation and acted accordingly. When I worked the field, especially graveyard, I always had a J-Frame in my Tuffy jacket pocket. Many, many times when talking with some miscreat at night I had one hand in my jacket pocket looking very casual … Roy
A cop for 47 years and military for 19 Even though it was not authorized I always had a 1903 Colt 32acp. It was my comfort piece. Still carry it at 78. I have a 1908 in 380 but like my 32 better. All I miss is the C O L T 4 clicks but that’s a different story. Like the podcasts and am enjoying Roy’s book. Thank You guys. Richard
Great points, I first started carrying a model 60 on an ankle holster, like dragging a brick, now a model 442 in a pocket holster….light is better….be aware of where you are..
Great show as always. Ties perfectly into the previous .32 show for me. As a ‘seasoned’ citizen my wrists and other parts have succumbed to a long career in Marine infantry. So my daily carry is now a S&W J Frame I had converted to .32 Mag along with a NAA .22 mag. Yep I get the ‘no stopping power’ talks. But I shoot weekly. Know how I perform under duress. So comfort and compromise work well. Thanks again guys much respect to you both. Been reading you longer than I care to admit!!
When I first left the Corps and started in Corrections, I carried a .38 Snubby all the time. Then I got into Juvenile Narcotics. I immediately upgraded to a 45 Commander. Those kids didn't care one bit about themselves, let alone anyone else. I moved to Patrol for more than a decade before my service connected disabilities moved me to desk duties, but I never stopped carrying. These days, it's a Model 340 scandium 357 snubby in hot weather and a beat up old SIG P220 45 in colder weather. (Shoulder holster or pancake depending on HOW cold. ) I have been giving a LOT of thought to that NAA 22 magnum for the watch pocket or outside coat pocket myself. Great video as always. As others have said, I have been reading both Roy's and Duke's books.
OMG YES! I am currently still a LEO. I've carried religiously,both on and off duty, for 34 years. All I can say is my off duty guns are getting smaller and lighter.
Great conversation. Back when I started carrying, I had to retrain myself to be more vigilant about staying away from trouble. I also started carrying a Ruger P345, which is nice, but it is still a pain to carry. I later found like minded colleagues who carried smaller 380 pistols. I eventually purchased a Ruger LCP and a holster (now 6 different holsters), and it is ALWAYS with me. (Unless I am carrying something bigger). Perhaps in a future episode, you could go over different types of holsters/carry options for men and women. (Not sure if you’ve done that already?) Again, great conversation!
I currently have a number of handguns for concealed carry, open carry, and hunting. With the exception of my Super Redhawk (newest acquisition), I have a at least a few holsters for each. The chest rig for my SRH is probably the only one I’ll use for it. For my carry handguns, I just tell my wife that I need to accessorize with a certain holster for the situation/outfit. Sometimes it actually works! 😂
For a while after retiring I still carried my G17 with two spare mags. Nowadays I have down sized to a P 365 and an extra mag. Around the house there is "something" within arm's reach around the house. Ref forgot my gun....that is what made me get a truck gun.....Roy, your advice about not carrying a gun for a week is the exact same experience I had the first time I rode my Harley without a helmet. I was so much more aware of my environment. I grew to hate my helmet and sold my bikes when kalifornia passed a helmet law.
I have been saying this for decades! My winter gun is 380, and the summer gun is NAA Pug. Sometimes, I carry both. When I go to the woods it's my bulldog .44.
At a family gathering my cousin hotshot said that he wouldn't carry a puny 380 like I carry in my pocket referring to my Taurus TCP 380.. loaded with Hornady hollow points.. my cousin stated that he would never carry anything less than a 45... So I asked him where his 45 was at the time which turned out to be home in his safe.. I stated that my gun is right here in my pocket all the time and believe me if someone gets hit with two or three rounds of Hornady xtp380 it's not going to be a good day for them
I enjoyed this podcast, as always, but I guess I fall in the group that thinks "having a gun and not needing it" is better than the opposite. I too am a retired police officer and I couldn't agree more that it is no longer my job to "keep the peace". However I know that I have personally witnessed "man's inhumanity to man" on many occasions and consider it my job to be prepared to protect my loved ones or myself should "the crap hit the fan". "Let's Leave" should always be the first option, but I carry a Glock 19 sized pistol virtually every time I leave my residence. To make matters worse, I carry "appendix style". I've been retired for 20 years and now am an "old man", but my attitude toward being my family's and my own "first responder", should the need arise, stays the same. Thanks again for your magazines, podcasts, and all the enjoyment I get from you folks. God bless.
Thank you for this podcast it is the most common sense and truthful. I've seen keep up the great work it's nice to know we still have some common sense people in the world today.
As I see here I’m not the only Leo to post. I too started in 1975 and as to your comments about concealed carry, I would sooner leave extemporaneous parts of my body home or even take the garbage to the dumpster or go get the mail without my reliable friend along for the ride. Where I live old people are targeted in ever mundane activities. Several robbed coming out of the grocery store. But soul searching is a must, if you deep down know you could not Shoot in self defense you shouldn’t carry, it only gives the bad guys a free gun.
My training without a gun goes during vacation when I can't carry it.. I still usually have something like a Spyderco knife.. and hopefully pepper spray but you always train your mind to keep safe and keep away from bad areas and bad people
I retired after 30 years in ‘97 and as I’ve grown older the EDC has gotten smaller & lighter. Most of the time it’s a light J Frame, sometimes an old LCP depending on mode of dress, in a pocket holster. Anything bigger & heavier will be left at home.
if you've got a good holster and belt set up, and a reasonably lw, compact gun, (ie, 8", 30 ozs) it's easy to forget that you're carrying a gun. With a 16 oz gun in your front pants pocket holster, it's a LOT easier to just forget that it's on you. I've done so several times and was lucky to remember before walking thru a metal-detector.
My bodyguard 2.0 in my pocket I forget about. My shield plus carry comp in my enigma which is the most comfortable and concealable holster I've found, I know it's there, especially with a seat belt pushing it into my pelvic bone.
The guy from Active Self Protection said that when you enter into a gunfight every time its open class. Thats very true because you dont know what your going up against.
I really do carry a Glock 19/23 every day, and have for years. I know it’s not some big giant gun but I hear many people say they are too big. At 4 o’clock IWB I think my body has molded around the gun. I think it was John Bianchi that said, “same gun, same place, every time”. When the ballon goes up I don’t want to have to try and remember what gun I have and where I put it.
Excellent video. Should be a requirement to watch this for all new CC people. I have also found small & light is better. An LCP in the summer and a snub .38 or Bersa thunder .380 in coveralls in the winter. Have a lot of holsters & bigger guns that just don't get carried anymore. Roy has me thinking about an undercoverette .32 now.
what I hate is not the gun I carry 92 or 1911 yes every day and summer even church and my 1903 for back up what I really hate is having to carry every time I have to leave the house its not like back in the day when if you were going to or through a bad area then you carried
I remember my first few years as a LEO in Texas it took time to get used to especially in the early 2000’s due to holster selection was kinda limited. But now I kinda don’t think about it as much. Especially at the grocery store. 😅 I currently carry the Walter PPS M2 in 9mm.
Awareness and what ifs keep you out of jail with legal fees. Never thought of improving those skills with some time without the gun. I keep pepper spray with me, but I still think about backstops/angles and a quick exit plan first.
I carried a 1911 .45 for about 45 years, including decades in deep concealment in a non permissive environment. I flirted with Charter .44’s and G19, but it was 1911’s. Recently, my wife, who carries J-frames, has lured me to the dark side. A model 638 fits nicely in a Mika pocket holster, and you hardly know it is there. I add the 4” Kimber .45 and spare mags when we visit a city, but the Airweight J-frame is just nice.
The problem in the "gun community" is they think civilians should carry guns issued to the police and military. The 25acp, 32acp, and the 32 s&w. They were normal everyday carry for decades. And they were very effective at stopping an attack. They don't have kill the criminal. Just stop them from attacking you.
Terrific episode. And I know there's probably not even a snowball's chance in hell - and I know Connor's retired - but is there any chance he could ever be a guest on one of these podcasts? That would be truly fascinating. I didn't realize that Roy actually knew him from serving on the force together, but I would love to hear more stories about him when Roy worked with him ... just helps bring Connor to life, in addition to all the excellent columns he wrote.
I can't be the only guy who was surprised by hearing that's how you first knew him. I thought you got to know him at a SHOT show or through his writings or whatever, like the stories you tell about Duke and other writers on the staff. If he was your LT - even for a minute! - THAT must have been interesting!
I worked for him for quite a while, then knew him around on the agency, then got to know his family and such. When I first joined and completed the academy, I took top gun there. During phase training I was walking across the patio of our old station and John was passing me and stopped. “I hear you can shoot,” he growled. I had heard of him and nodded. “What do you think about this?” He took a 3” slab-sided Model 10 from a shoulder holster. It had a Bomar style rib on it, bobbed hammer and was hard chrome. Pretty edgy for the late ‘70s. We weren’t supposed to take guns out like that as you can imagine, but I took it, cleared it, examined it and said it was a very special gun, indeed. I told him I had shot PPC for some years with a sort of bigger version of it and really liked this idea. He just grunted, smiled a half-smile, reholstered and sauntered off. That was the beginning of our friendship. Roy
Roy, the more you talk about how long and how well you've known Connor, the more I find myself wondering if you might be the basis of one of his recurring characters!
Anything that requires commitment and discipline will develop the taint of grind - guns, marriage, prayer, children. But beneath the grind is a deeper awesomeness to experience.
Yes, pocket carry is the comfort solution year round in the south. Biggest hassle for me is having to reinforce my pocket because my colt defender in its kidex holster is brutal on the pocket's fabric.
@JohnTBlock I have been using an iron-on patch kit from Walmart. Works OK, but I keep having to re-glue as it begins to peal back up. The patches are big enough nearly cover the entire inside of the pocket.
you CAN have a really effective, yet controllable load in a pocket 9mm. 50 grs, 2000 fps, 450 ft lb Liberty Arms solid copper hp. Animal tests prove that it works a LOT better than standard, lead-cored jhps, which often fail to expand in lung tissue. This load has no more recoil than a hot 380 cartridge.
I learned ALMOST everything about tactics and legality from GUN MAGAZINES. Not to be a kiss-up but AMERICAN HANDGUNNER was the BEST. Second was SWAT. Third, Combat Hundguns and various special editions of various magazines. Pribably the SINGLE best source was Massad Ayoob. Lessons from REAL gunfights and the aftermath, sometimes in court, is the BEST teacher. Been reading gun magazines since the late '80s, when I was 14, I have some experience with who does it best. I was not a big fan of GUNS Magazine in the '80s and '90s but NOW it's one of the best. I was probably WRONG back then because my interests were different. Now I'm interested in ALL KINDS of guns. If I could get my hands on old GUNS editions from the '50s to "70s I'd read them cover to cover!
The nice thing about carrying a gun in the movies is they can stop the scene and hand it to you when the story calls for it. In real life you really need to keep it with you. I was a guard at the state prison when i was younger. If i think about not carrying i just imagine my wife and myself being at the mercy of some of the people i have dealt with. I gear up after that.
Thank You gentlemen for the talk today!! Appreciate You! Evil will find us either in spiritual form, or physical form………We all need to stay on the ready Mind,Body,Spirit 💪🇺🇸✝️☝️ -Nate (Ohio) God,Family,Country
Just carried with one for the first time, the Fanny pack I’ve got is definitely slower to deploy than my IWB holster but so far it seems more comfortable and realistic for daily life and getting over the feeling of wanting to leave my pistol home to avoid inconvenience. Living in Florida I sweat all over it when IWB too so requires extra maintenance and I’ve completely avoided taking it when doing outdoor activity partially for that reason. Hoping the Fanny pack solves that.
@@fmgpubs especially summer carry I go with my Ruger ECS9 9 mm with 7 and 9 round magazines 2 9 round spare mags in my truck . Roy , when going to my door , delivers or pizza , I to , packet a 22 mag North American revolver or my rock island J frame 38! Special with wad cutters , nowadays you just never know.
I have trained myself from the time I get up in the morning I have either a 380 a 32 or even a 25 in my pocket at all times that way if I had to run out like throughout the trash and get something out the car it's already in my pocket and if I ask you have to go out someplace I grab either my micro contact or subcompact 9 mm or even small j-frame snub nose put that in a fanny pack but that around my waist and go about my business therefore I have two guns now I rather go for comfort that way you'll carry it with no problem and won't have to think about it I live in Phoenix so there's only two seasons shorts and sweatpants
Yes tacticards nowadays will say you need a high capacity full size semi-automatic &2 - three spare mags .. Hi cap carried in a appendix carry holster with Red Dot optic (so you can blow off your family jewels and hit yourself in the femoral artery and die) .. and they practice shooting their high cap semi-auto at 75 yards quick magazine changes..🤣.. ..seriously no actual close quarter self-defense drills are practiced with these guys.. as most attacks take place point blank up to 25 ft maybe 30 tops.. I practice up to 50 with my centennial j frame 38 but that's just so I can hit close up even better
That's funny Roy. I DON'T carry my money in my wallet BUT I used to keep a $50 bill in there. Then once, when the kids were little, I went to 7-11 to get milk. I'd forgotten my money, pulled out my emergency "wallet 50." They wouldn't take a 50. Used to carry two 20s, now I carry 3 20s......you know......&!]#
I know what you mean. I always have “emergency” money stashed in a pocket. And I carry my wallet in my left front pocket. It’s one of those funny shaped “front pocket wallets.” Dont it for years and its’ real comfortable and not easily stealable. Roy
@@fmgpubs I have a friend that has a safe with 29 Colt handguns in it...from small to cannons...and he won't carry..and I ask him now and then,, "what if you find yourself in a life-threatening doo-wop with all this hardware in your safe?" He just shrugs and say's "nope,,don't want to"...And he carried a 1911 when we wore the green,, way back when...
Yep, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. Younger guys especially, have a hard time adapting their wardrobe to carrying. Might have to go from a boy’s medium T-shirt to an XL.
Wonderful discussion as always gentlemen. You're luckliy spoilt for choice with regards what you can carry. Try living in a country where you can only have one firearm for self/personal protection. Young YeetToober's also have alot of ego involved in their carry choices
a 90% stopping probability is 4x better than a 60% stopper 10 failures in 100 shootings,not 40 such failuers. The 450 ft lb liberty arms 9mm load is THAT much better than a 380, .32 mag .38 snub. and you can get 6" long, 16 oz 9mm's. Single stack, in a velcroed-in kydex front pants pocket rig, they look just like a wallet. Put your ID, and one card in money-clip and everything else you'd normally carry in a pocket in the ankle pouch, with the spare magazine. I know a guy who survived a pat-down with such a rig (no ankle pouch)
Yes, yes and yes! Thank you for the great topic. I saw the thumbnail and immediately agreed before I even viewed the episode. You gents hit the nail right on the head. 👍
That video should be required for every person carrying a firearm. I’m not a Leo but worked in some bad places in north St. Louis. Back in the 80s and 90s. Carried a 9mm High power, with 2 spare mags. I avoided a lot of bad things by evacuating myself with great enthusiasm to safety. I still carry every day. But usually a light J frame on an ankle holster. Had to laugh when you talked about my big 1911 and 4 spare mags in my center console. Who said we talk about carrying a .45 , shame the 9mm and we actually have a .380 or J frame on us.
Sword cane, suspenders, etc. They won’t see it coming! I had lunch with Rex Applegate a few times at the Blade Show. He told me how he pretty much beat up three thugs who had attempted to strongarm him on the streets of Atlanta. He used his walking stick. Rex was 82 when it happened! They didn’t realize he used to teach unarmed combatives to OSS operatives during WWII. Ha! Roy
I went on a Jet Boat cruise down south of where I live, where Rex lived. We came across something or other named Applegate, a creek or something on the cruise. I asked the river guide if he knew who Rex was. He had no idea, they had a legend living in their midst and NOBODY knew he was there. One of my customers went down and found him. While they were looking for him some people knew him but NOT who he REALLY WAS. He gave this guy his personal Applegate folding knife he was carrying. That guy gave it to me, I gave it to an Iraq War Veteran who got blown up in an IED explosion, I think everyone else in the hit was lost. Anyway, he was a huge Applegate fan who ALSO went down and met Rex. At least some of his fellow Orygunians knew who he was, and had our respect.
I felt "safer" during war in Bosnia than people in U.S. in many of these Marxist states (came here in 1996 as war refugee). Yes you knew who the enemy was and they wore uniforms. But now we have all the illegals who are claiming this to be their new hunting grounds and they don't strike untill its too late. Serving in US Army as 11B and combat deployments give me an upper hand in recognizing the threats. But common citizens especially weak and unarmed are getting what they voted for and plus some. Sadly many did not and still have to deal with effects. Stay strapped, train and know your laws. Get some kind off insurance as well.
Carried a weapon nearly daily for 14 years in the military. While I had concealed carry permits off and on I have never been comfortable carrying a weapon off duty. It is not needed and a cause for many shootings these days. Folks no longer appear to be able to talk to one another civilly and are way more prone to resort to violence it seems. This lack of coping skills likely can be partially attributed to the widespread electronic interactions rather than in person. It sucks y'all tough guys need a firearm to feel safe. This culture is one of the leading causes folks want to do away with them, because y'all scare the crap out of people needlessly. Firearms are tools needed in certain situations, driving around town really isn't one. If your situational awareness is so good you can be prepared to be a hero, it should be enough to inform you to leave before a weapon is needed.
Move to California, where the government will do anything and everything to prevent you from exercising your right to carry…. I guarantee when you live under circumstances where they try and create a can’t carry environment, you’ll carry everyday, and you won’t ever say it sucks… and when you’re limited to a roster limiting your choice of guns to about 10% of what the rest of the country has to choose from… you also won’t complain about carrying a Glock 19 (gen3), with a light, and an optic and a spare mag, in a sidecar appendix rig, everyday…. You just won’t….
I started out as a Police Officer in 76. I Carried religiously off duty as per rules and regs. I went through a laundry list of guns including the 45 full size, the 45 commander (LW) and the Officers model. None of those lasted long in the South West where I lived and worked. What did work was a S&W 66 2.5" version of my duty gun and the G19 which I also carried on duty ditching the G17. Yeah I tried the shoulder holster, hated it. When I retired I stopped carrying anything for a few years then seeing the way my hometown was descending both politically (LIBERAL) and on the street started carrying again with the LEOSA option. Now I still carry every day, all day but have reverted to pocket carry and cargo pants. I know should there be a home invasion (I now live in South Central TX and illegals are everywhere) I won't have time to open the safe. My Hellcat with optic (I'm old damnit) sits in my pants pocket and is comfortable. I do not want a gun fight, I just want myself and my wife to survive should unpleasantness happen in spite of me with my head on a swivel. I want to be able to leave in the same condition I arrived at that location.
All well said, Tanker and what most of us have gone through and do now. Roy
Well said sir.
Great video! Snub nose for life!
As a commissioned park ranger I seldom carried even though graduating from the police academy , park policy. I did keep a small pistol in my pocket when working alone at night, and working with conservation officers. In my 38 years of service with the Department Of Conservation I became very good in reading human behavior, There were many times when my hand was on my pistol when I knew something was about to happen. and quit a few physical altercations. I totally agree you.
Agreed 100 percent. I can’t say how many times I avoided having to fight or shoot simply because I read the situation and acted accordingly. When I worked the field, especially graveyard, I always had a J-Frame in my Tuffy jacket pocket. Many, many times when talking with some miscreat at night I had one hand in my jacket pocket looking very casual … Roy
A cop for 47 years and military for 19 Even though it was not authorized I always had a 1903 Colt 32acp. It was my comfort piece. Still carry it at 78. I have a 1908 in 380 but like my 32 better. All I miss is the C O L T 4 clicks but that’s a different story. Like the podcasts and am enjoying Roy’s book. Thank You guys. Richard
“Lets leave.” Some of the best advice ever. I am retired LEO, 7 years of my 21 on SWAT, and carry a 4” S&W Shield every day.
I’m here to tell you I still hear him saying that, and the look up at me. I still tell myself that same thing now and again! Roy
Very interesting discussion and sage advice. As a retired LEO, I absolutely agree. Yes, I still carry.
We hate it … but we do it. It’s because we understand. Roy
Great points, I first started carrying a model 60 on an ankle holster, like dragging a brick, now a model 442 in a pocket holster….light is better….be aware of where you are..
Light always wins … Roy
Great show as always. Ties perfectly into the previous .32 show for me. As a ‘seasoned’ citizen my wrists and other parts have succumbed to a long career in Marine infantry. So my daily carry is now a S&W J Frame I had converted to .32 Mag along with a NAA .22 mag. Yep I get the ‘no stopping power’ talks. But I shoot weekly. Know how I perform under duress. So comfort and compromise work well. Thanks again guys much respect to you both. Been reading you longer than I care to admit!!
Always love to hear different perspectives from people who have done an honest review of their lives and make sensible choices for their needs.
Appreciate that David, and for you taking the time to let us know. Roy
When I first left the Corps and started in Corrections, I carried a .38 Snubby all the time. Then I got into Juvenile Narcotics. I immediately upgraded to a 45 Commander. Those kids didn't care one bit about themselves, let alone anyone else. I moved to Patrol for more than a decade before my service connected disabilities moved me to desk duties, but I never stopped carrying. These days, it's a Model 340 scandium 357 snubby in hot weather and a beat up old SIG P220 45 in colder weather. (Shoulder holster or pancake depending on HOW cold. ) I have been giving a LOT of thought to that NAA 22 magnum for the watch pocket or outside coat pocket myself. Great video as always. As others have said, I have been reading both Roy's and Duke's books.
Hi James, thanks for your comments and it pretty much sums up the process we all seem to go through. And thanks for getting the books!!! Roy
Always the best. Well said from another retired LEO, you guys always bring with age comes wisdom. You guys are Rock Stars to so many. Stay safe.
Appreciate your very kind word sir. We’ll keep it up until they arrest us for it. Roy
OMG YES! I am currently still a LEO. I've carried religiously,both on and off duty, for 34 years. All I can say is my off duty guns are getting smaller and lighter.
Boy howdy! Roy
Outstanding. You and Roy have hit the nail on the head. Thank you.
Appreciate it Lewis. Roy
Retired LEO. Always have my Ruger LCPII in 22 cal. Laugh but I always have it.
Always having it is half the battel … Roy
I personally think picking holster is the most important consideration. Good topic ✅
Yep! This and having a good gun belt is a must.
Agreed. I made mine just the way I wanted it. It’s ugly but I love it.
I have carried a full size revolver and full size service autos but I now carry a polymer frame 9mm compact.
Damn great pod cast. Need to follow the instructions given in this show because they make sense. Thanks guys. ICE.
Thanks for the kind words Carlos! Roy
Great conversation. Back when I started carrying, I had to retrain myself to be more vigilant about staying away from trouble. I also started carrying a Ruger P345, which is nice, but it is still a pain to carry. I later found like minded colleagues who carried smaller 380 pistols. I eventually purchased a Ruger LCP and a holster (now 6 different holsters), and it is ALWAYS with me. (Unless I am carrying something bigger). Perhaps in a future episode, you could go over different types of holsters/carry options for men and women. (Not sure if you’ve done that already?) Again, great conversation!
Your “journey” is about how it goes! And if you don’t have a box of old holsters you’re not trying, eh?! Roy
I currently have a number of handguns for concealed carry, open carry, and hunting. With the exception of my Super Redhawk (newest acquisition), I have a at least a few holsters for each. The chest rig for my SRH is probably the only one I’ll use for it. For my carry handguns, I just tell my wife that I need to accessorize with a certain holster for the situation/outfit. Sometimes it actually works! 😂
For a while after retiring I still carried my G17 with two spare mags. Nowadays I have down sized to a P 365 and an extra mag. Around the house there is "something" within arm's reach around the house. Ref forgot my gun....that is what made me get a truck gun.....Roy, your advice about not carrying a gun for a week is the exact same experience I had the first time I rode my Harley without a helmet. I was so much more aware of my environment. I grew to hate my helmet and sold my bikes when kalifornia passed a helmet law.
Thanks Mike. But I do wear a helmet! Roy
I have been saying this for decades! My winter gun is 380, and the summer gun is NAA Pug. Sometimes, I carry both. When I go to the woods it's my bulldog .44.
That’d work just fine Daren. Especially if you carry both. Roy
Retired LEO here. They are comforting aren't they. The biggest problem I see is people who carry but are not really mature enough to do so.
You guys said it all , no comment . Good show. ❤ From California
Thanks Millard! Roy
Not to mention a spare mag of ammo, or a couple of speed loaders, or strips....never less tha 15 rds. W/ a J frame, 2 mags for a 1911, 1 for a Glock.
At a family gathering my cousin hotshot said that he wouldn't carry a puny 380 like I carry in my pocket referring to my Taurus TCP 380.. loaded with Hornady hollow points.. my cousin stated that he would never carry anything less than a 45... So I asked him where his 45 was at the time which turned out to be home in his safe.. I stated that my gun is right here in my pocket all the time and believe me if someone gets hit with two or three rounds of Hornady xtp380 it's not going to be a good day for them
Ha! Exactly! Roy
I enjoyed this podcast, as always, but I guess I fall in the group that thinks "having a gun and not needing it" is better than the opposite. I too am a retired police officer and I couldn't agree more that it is no longer my job to "keep the peace". However I know that I have personally witnessed "man's inhumanity to man" on many occasions and consider it my job to be prepared to protect my loved ones or myself should "the crap hit the fan". "Let's Leave" should always be the first option, but I carry a Glock 19 sized pistol virtually every time I leave my residence. To make matters worse, I carry "appendix style". I've been retired for 20 years and now am an "old man", but my attitude toward being my family's and my own "first responder", should the need arise, stays the same. Thanks again for your magazines, podcasts, and all the enjoyment I get from you folks. God bless.
Thanks Scott. Sounds like your journey is about the same as all of we older gents. Roy
Thank you for this podcast it is the most common sense and truthful. I've seen keep up the great work it's nice to know we still have some common sense people in the world today.
Appreciate that Mike. I know what you mean though, just too many arm-waving hysterics out there with little real world experience. Roy
As I see here I’m not the only Leo to post. I too started in 1975 and as to your comments about concealed carry, I would sooner leave extemporaneous parts of my body home or even take the garbage to the dumpster or go get the mail without my reliable friend along for the ride. Where I live old people are targeted in ever mundane activities. Several robbed coming out of the grocery store. But soul searching is a must, if you deep down know you could not Shoot in self defense you shouldn’t carry, it only gives the bad guys a free gun.
Agreed Fred. Roy
It is a real pain even if it is only 1lb which is on the light side. I am too old fight and too old to run so i carry as i now feel vulnerable.
Ditto! Roy
My training without a gun goes during vacation when I can't carry it.. I still usually have something like a Spyderco knife.. and hopefully pepper spray but you always train your mind to keep safe and keep away from bad areas and bad people
I like to carry a heavy duty cane when I travel too. Roy
I retired after 30 years in ‘97 and as I’ve grown older the EDC has gotten smaller & lighter. Most of the time it’s a light J Frame, sometimes an old LCP depending on mode of dress, in a pocket holster. Anything bigger & heavier will be left at home.
38 Derringer to s&w shield to cz75compact
Great video! I'm a gateway firearms instructor. Some great analogies I'm going to steal LOL. Keep up the great work guys.
Steal away Bob! Roy
if you've got a good holster and belt set up, and a reasonably lw, compact gun, (ie, 8", 30 ozs) it's easy to forget that you're carrying a gun. With a 16 oz gun in your front pants pocket holster, it's a LOT easier to just forget that it's on you. I've done so several times and was lucky to remember before walking thru a metal-detector.
My bodyguard 2.0 in my pocket I forget about. My shield plus carry comp in my enigma which is the most comfortable and concealable holster I've found, I know it's there, especially with a seat belt pushing it into my pelvic bone.
I've been carrying a Glock 32c for over 10 years. I live in South Florida. Shorts and t shirts 95% of the time.
Use to cary a S&W MOD 19 than went to a Glock 23. When not working I have a Ruger LCP 22lr in my pocket
Great advice
The guy from Active Self Protection said that when you enter into a gunfight every time its open class. Thats very true because you dont know what your going up against.
I really do carry a Glock 19/23 every day, and have for years. I know it’s not some big giant gun but I hear many people say they are too big. At 4 o’clock IWB I think my body has molded around the gun. I think it was John Bianchi that said, “same gun, same place, every time”. When the ballon goes up I don’t want to have to try and remember what gun I have and where I put it.
Excellent video. Should be a requirement to watch this for all new CC people. I have also found small & light is better. An LCP in the summer and a snub .38 or Bersa thunder .380 in coveralls in the winter. Have a lot of holsters & bigger guns that just don't get carried anymore. Roy has me thinking about an undercoverette .32 now.
what I hate is not the gun I carry 92 or 1911 yes every day and summer even church and my 1903 for back up what I really hate is having to carry every time I have to leave the house its not like back in the day when if you were going to or through a bad area then you carried
I ALWAYS have a gun....but not always one I'm proud of.
Ha! That’s a great way to describe it … Roy
They do get pretty raggedy when being carried every day!
Not really the condition, although they do get worn, I mean the size and caliber aren't always impressive.
@@jeffhutchins7048 hell son, carry your 25 auto with pride. Just kidding. 😊
Usually not THAT embarrassing!😊
Thank you sirs!
You’re welcome Stephen. Roy
I remember my first few years as a LEO in Texas it took time to get used to especially in the early 2000’s due to holster selection was kinda limited. But now I kinda don’t think about it as much. Especially at the grocery store. 😅 I currently carry the Walter PPS M2 in 9mm.
Milt Sparks Summer Special. It’s leather, and once broken in feels great. Galco makes an imitation of it that also works for me.
“Let’s leave.” My new rule #1. Print it on t-shirts. Great video, thank you.
You bet, Applejack. It’s good advice most of the time … Roy
Awareness and what ifs keep you out of jail with legal fees. Never thought of improving those skills with some time without the gun. I keep pepper spray with me, but I still think about backstops/angles and a quick exit plan first.
I carried a 1911 .45 for about 45 years, including decades in deep concealment in a non permissive environment. I flirted with Charter .44’s and G19, but it was 1911’s. Recently, my wife, who carries J-frames, has lured me to the dark side. A model 638 fits nicely in a Mika pocket holster, and you hardly know it is there. I add the 4” Kimber .45 and spare mags when we visit a city, but the Airweight J-frame is just nice.
Experience pays off …. Roy
Love these guys.
I find this fairly common for people that carried a gun on duty till retirement. Can't stop though I can carry lighter ones.
The problem in the "gun community" is they think civilians should carry guns issued to the police and military.
The 25acp, 32acp, and the 32 s&w. They were normal everyday carry for decades. And they were very effective at stopping an attack. They don't have kill the criminal.
Just stop them from attacking you.
Pretty much so Chris. Roy
Point well taken , it helped me .
Good Frank, that’s what it’s all about. Roy
Terrific episode. And I know there's probably not even a snowball's chance in hell - and I know Connor's retired - but is there any chance he could ever be a guest on one of these podcasts? That would be truly fascinating. I didn't realize that Roy actually knew him from serving on the force together, but I would love to hear more stories about him when Roy worked with him ... just helps bring Connor to life, in addition to all the excellent columns he wrote.
The old goat is 100 percent retired and there’s no budging him. I worked with John for many years. He was even my LT at one point! Roy
I can't be the only guy who was surprised by hearing that's how you first knew him. I thought you got to know him at a SHOT show or through his writings or whatever, like the stories you tell about Duke and other writers on the staff. If he was your LT - even for a minute! - THAT must have been interesting!
I worked for him for quite a while, then knew him around on the agency, then got to know his family and such. When I first joined and completed the academy, I took top gun there. During phase training I was walking across the patio of our old station and John was passing me and stopped. “I hear you can shoot,” he growled. I had heard of him and nodded. “What do you think about this?” He took a 3” slab-sided Model 10 from a shoulder holster. It had a Bomar style rib on it, bobbed hammer and was hard chrome. Pretty edgy for the late ‘70s. We weren’t supposed to take guns out like that as you can imagine, but I took it, cleared it, examined it and said it was a very special gun, indeed. I told him I had shot PPC for some years with a sort of bigger version of it and really liked this idea. He just grunted, smiled a half-smile, reholstered and sauntered off. That was the beginning of our friendship. Roy
Roy, the more you talk about how long and how well you've known Connor, the more I find myself wondering if you might be the basis of one of his recurring characters!
Anything that requires commitment and discipline will develop the taint of grind - guns, marriage, prayer, children. But beneath the grind is a deeper awesomeness to experience.
Well said sir. Roy
Old Timer Wisdom . 😊
You’re right Stone. They may make fun of us but we know stuff. Roy
Yes, pocket carry is the comfort solution year round in the south. Biggest hassle for me is having to reinforce my pocket because my colt defender in its kidex holster is brutal on the pocket's fabric.
yeah, yeah, a 6.7" long, 30 oz (loaded) gun in a pants pocket. your name better be Lou Ferrigno, or you're a liar.
@@richardthomas6602 get some 3 or 4 oz. Veg-tan leather, and make new pockets!
@@SonnyCrocket-p6hnonsense to both.
@JohnTBlock I have been using an iron-on patch kit from Walmart. Works OK, but I keep having to re-glue as it begins to peal back up. The patches are big enough nearly cover the entire inside of the pocket.
you CAN have a really effective, yet controllable load in a pocket 9mm. 50 grs, 2000 fps, 450 ft lb Liberty Arms solid copper hp. Animal tests prove that it works a LOT better than standard, lead-cored jhps, which often fail to expand in lung tissue. This load has no more recoil than a hot 380 cartridge.
Yep, it's a pain in the butt, sometimes litterally.
I learned ALMOST everything about tactics and legality from GUN MAGAZINES.
Not to be a kiss-up but AMERICAN HANDGUNNER was the BEST.
Second was SWAT.
Third, Combat Hundguns and various special editions of various magazines.
Pribably the SINGLE best source was Massad Ayoob. Lessons from REAL gunfights and the aftermath, sometimes in court, is the BEST teacher.
Been reading gun magazines since the late '80s, when I was 14, I have some experience with who does it best.
I was not a big fan of GUNS Magazine in the '80s and '90s but NOW it's one of the best.
I was probably WRONG back then because my interests were different.
Now I'm interested in ALL KINDS of guns.
If I could get my hands on old GUNS editions from the '50s to "70s I'd read them cover to cover!
The nice thing about carrying a gun in the movies is they can stop the scene and hand it to you when the story calls for it. In real life you really need to keep it with you. I was a guard at the state prison when i was younger. If i think about not carrying i just imagine my wife and myself being at the mercy of some of the people i have dealt with. I gear up after that.
Exactly Flaco. It’d make me crazy to let someone get the best of me and my family. Not going to happen, eh? Roy
I've paid $600 a year for home owners/fire insurance for over 50 years. Not because I want to but I have to.
Thank You gentlemen for the talk today!! Appreciate You!
Evil will find us either in spiritual form, or physical form………We all need to stay on the ready Mind,Body,Spirit
💪🇺🇸✝️☝️
-Nate (Ohio) God,Family,Country
Thanks Nathan! Roy
Pro Secret: I Hate Carrying a Gun! - GMP #250
We all hate to carry but its better than being defenseless and a victim in the evil society of today.
Well said sir. Roy
Common sense discussion. Thank you.
You bet sir. Thanks for tuning in. Roy
A fanny pack covers a multitude of sins...
Just carried with one for the first time, the Fanny pack I’ve got is definitely slower to deploy than my IWB holster but so far it seems more comfortable and realistic for daily life and getting over the feeling of wanting to leave my pistol home to avoid inconvenience. Living in Florida I sweat all over it when IWB too so requires extra maintenance and I’ve completely avoided taking it when doing outdoor activity partially for that reason. Hoping the Fanny pack solves that.
Agreed John. Roy
It also forces you to stay tuned into what’s going on around you. Like the say, the fastest draw is one that starts with your gun in your hand. Roy
@@fmgpubs especially summer carry I go with my Ruger ECS9 9 mm with 7 and 9 round magazines 2 9 round spare mags in my truck .
Roy , when going to my door , delivers or pizza , I to , packet a 22 mag North American revolver or my rock island J frame 38! Special with wad cutters , nowadays you just never know.
While itself being a nearly unforgivable sin.
Pocket carry a sig 238 or a seecamp
I have trained myself from the time I get up in the morning I have either a 380 a 32 or even a 25 in my pocket at all times that way if I had to run out like throughout the trash and get something out the car it's already in my pocket and if I ask you have to go out someplace I grab either my micro contact or subcompact 9 mm or even small j-frame snub nose put that in a fanny pack but that around my waist and go about my business therefore I have two guns now I rather go for comfort that way you'll carry it with no problem and won't have to think about it I live in Phoenix so there's only two seasons shorts and sweatpants
Same here. Always got “something” in my pocket, even when sitting around at home or puttering in my work shop. Roy
A gun or two at all times. Thank God for cargo pants.
And cargo shorts! Roy
Yes tacticards nowadays will say you need a high capacity full size semi-automatic &2 - three spare mags .. Hi cap carried in a appendix carry holster with Red Dot optic (so you can blow off your family jewels and hit yourself in the femoral artery and die) .. and they practice shooting their high cap semi-auto at 75 yards quick magazine changes..🤣.. ..seriously no actual close quarter self-defense drills are practiced with these guys.. as most attacks take place point blank up to 25 ft maybe 30 tops.. I practice up to 50 with my centennial j frame 38 but that's just so I can hit close up even better
Agreed with what you’re saying Glen. Roy
"Lets leave" lol
And it works …. Roy
That's funny Roy. I DON'T carry my money in my wallet BUT I used to keep a $50 bill in there.
Then once, when the kids were little, I went to 7-11 to get milk. I'd forgotten my money, pulled out my emergency "wallet 50."
They wouldn't take a 50.
Used to carry two 20s, now I carry 3 20s......you know......&!]#
I know what you mean. I always have “emergency” money stashed in a pocket. And I carry my wallet in my left front pocket. It’s one of those funny shaped “front pocket wallets.” Dont it for years and its’ real comfortable and not easily stealable. Roy
I have to carry.. cops are too heavy...
I haven’t heard that one in years! Roy
@@fmgpubs I have a friend that has a safe with 29 Colt handguns in it...from small to cannons...and he won't carry..and I ask him now and then,, "what if you find yourself in a life-threatening doo-wop with all this hardware in your safe?" He just shrugs and say's "nope,,don't want to"...And he carried a 1911 when we wore the green,, way back when...
I just don’t understand putting your own safety in the hands of others like that. Bet you don’t either. Roy
Carry a Sig P226 SAO. You get used to it
Yep, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. Younger guys especially, have a hard time adapting their wardrobe to carrying. Might have to go from a boy’s medium T-shirt to an XL.
Wonderful discussion as always gentlemen. You're luckliy spoilt for choice with regards what you can carry. Try living in a country where you can only have one firearm for self/personal protection.
Young YeetToober's also have alot of ego involved in their carry choices
I’d tend to agree about the youtubers. Many (most?) are actually novices with an iPHone and a youtube channel! Roy
a 90% stopping probability is 4x better than a 60% stopper 10 failures in 100 shootings,not 40 such failuers. The 450 ft lb liberty arms 9mm load is THAT much better than a 380, .32 mag .38 snub. and you can get 6" long, 16 oz 9mm's. Single stack, in a velcroed-in kydex front pants pocket rig, they look just like a wallet. Put your ID, and one card in money-clip and everything else you'd normally carry in a pocket in the ankle pouch, with the spare magazine. I know a guy who survived a pat-down with such a rig (no ankle pouch)
I have found no one who would stand in front of my 380s or 22 mags yet.
Review James Reeves podcasts re accessories and ammo type could work against you in court. Something to think about.🤔
Not ashamed of anything we’re saying Jim. But I understand what you’re saying. Roy
Im sad that i feel ghe need to carry everyday even at my home.
Yes, yes and yes! Thank you for the great topic. I saw the thumbnail and immediately agreed before I even viewed the episode. You gents hit the nail right on the head. 👍
Appreciate that Eagle! Roy
That video should be required for every person carrying a firearm. I’m not a Leo but worked in some bad places in north St. Louis. Back in the 80s and 90s. Carried a 9mm High power, with 2 spare mags. I avoided a lot of bad things by evacuating myself with great enthusiasm to safety. I still carry every day. But usually a light J frame on an ankle holster. Had to laugh when you talked about my big 1911 and 4 spare mags in my center console. Who said we talk about carrying a .45 , shame the 9mm and we actually have a .380 or J frame on us.
Ha! We always say J-Frames are often the gun few people admit they carry … Roy
I wish this WASN'T true but, when I'm somewhere I can't have a gun I am A LOT more observent of my surroundings.
I have a sword cane for just those moments …. Roy
Do you have a monocle on a chain too? 😂
Sorry, couldn't resist.....makes GOOD SENSE!!!
Sword cane, suspenders, etc. They won’t see it coming! I had lunch with Rex Applegate a few times at the Blade Show. He told me how he pretty much beat up three thugs who had attempted to strongarm him on the streets of Atlanta. He used his walking stick. Rex was 82 when it happened! They didn’t realize he used to teach unarmed combatives to OSS operatives during WWII. Ha! Roy
I went on a Jet Boat cruise down south of where I live, where Rex lived. We came across something or other named Applegate, a creek or something on the cruise. I asked the river guide if he knew who Rex was. He had no idea, they had a legend living in their midst and NOBODY knew he was there.
One of my customers went down and found him. While they were looking for him some people knew him but NOT who he REALLY WAS.
He gave this guy his personal Applegate folding knife he was carrying. That guy gave it to me, I gave it to an Iraq War Veteran who got blown up in an IED explosion, I think everyone else in the hit was lost.
Anyway, he was a huge Applegate fan who ALSO went down and met Rex.
At least some of his fellow Orygunians knew who he was, and had our respect.
When Boker came out with their Applegate/Fairbairn dagger he sent me one and signed the blade. So then I could never use it! Roy
I like carrying a gun, but my big belly not so much.
I understand …. Roy
Speaking of situational awareness, I'll bet cell phone addicts are especially vulnerable to being a victim.
Boy howdy! Roy
I felt "safer" during war in Bosnia than people in U.S. in many of these Marxist states (came here in 1996 as war refugee).
Yes you knew who the enemy was and they wore uniforms.
But now we have all the illegals who are claiming this to be their new hunting grounds and they don't strike untill its too late.
Serving in US Army as 11B and combat deployments give me an upper hand in recognizing the threats.
But common citizens especially weak and unarmed are getting what they voted for and plus some.
Sadly many did not and still have to deal with effects.
Stay strapped, train and know your laws.
Get some kind off insurance as well.
;-)
Carried a weapon nearly daily for 14 years in the military. While I had concealed carry permits off and on I have never been comfortable carrying a weapon off duty. It is not needed and a cause for many shootings these days. Folks no longer appear to be able to talk to one another civilly and are way more prone to resort to violence it seems. This lack of coping skills likely can be partially attributed to the widespread electronic interactions rather than in person. It sucks y'all tough guys need a firearm to feel safe. This culture is one of the leading causes folks want to do away with them, because y'all scare the crap out of people needlessly. Firearms are tools needed in certain situations, driving around town really isn't one. If your situational awareness is so good you can be prepared to be a hero, it should be enough to inform you to leave before a weapon is needed.
Move to California, where the government will do anything and everything to prevent you from exercising your right to carry…. I guarantee when you live under circumstances where they try and create a can’t carry environment, you’ll carry everyday, and you won’t ever say it sucks… and when you’re limited to a roster limiting your choice of guns to about 10% of what the rest of the country has to choose from… you also won’t complain about carrying a Glock 19 (gen3), with a light, and an optic and a spare mag, in a sidecar appendix rig, everyday…. You just won’t….
Or … you could move like we did! Roy