Ah, yes, the three Ds: Dune, Dawn, and Dick. I've read all three of them, Maze of Death I finished this past week! It's much darker in its implications than his more popular works. PKD did think the FBI was following him, so you wondering what conspiracy he'd believe isn't far off. Dawn was good at atmosphere, poor at dialogue. I kept skimming through sections because "I thought they had this conversation already," very circular, but Butler does have a knack for giving chills down the spine. Dune is a book I appreciate, not close to my Top 10. While the Worldbuilding is top notch, it was hard to get into, and it took strange turns towards the end. But you have to give it a nod for helping usher Scifi and Space Opera into the mainstream.
Dune gets a massive antiquity bonus for sure. Can't believe I missed Dune, Dawn & Dick alliteration 😅 Perfect theming. Maze of Death was pretty dark. A difficult book to talk about because I didn't want to spoil it
I respect your opinions. 😊 I try to read a book every evening, but longer or denser titles usually take two evenings. Even so, there are way too many books out there for me to be influenced by someone I don’t know and whose opinions I don’t trust. Since I started watching BookTube while working from home during the pandemic, I have found several reviewers who helped me broaden my reading adventures. That’s a good thing. Thank you for your contribution. 😺✌️
One book a night wow! Depending on the length and density of the book, I usually read 2-3 books a week. I'm always amazed by people who read 30 books in a month.. like how lol. My TBR is so long, I wish I could read 30 books a day 🤣 I, too, love booktube! It's my #1 source for recommendations.. other two sources are the library catalog and random Amazon recs.
I read Dune when I was 15, 46 years ago, and I am always surprised when they say that it is a philosophical novel because the only thing I remember is that it was a superb adventure novel. I definitively need to reread it.
Have you thought about reading any more books from the Dune series that Herbert wrote? I’ve been binging them one after the other after reading Dune Messiah. Currently on God Emperor of Dune. EDIT**nvm I read the rest of the comments! Looking forward to your reviews when you get to them!
I haven't read a ton of science fiction but I did finish Dune last year. I think it's great sci-fi for fantasy readers - its mode is less experimental but epic with lots of world-building (maybe like Star Wars is epic and Star Trek is more speculative/experimental). Its main plot is basically the monomyth (chosen hero) and some writing choices feel quite juvenile (as others here have pointed out), like how thoughts of some characters are told directly. The world-building is great, though, which is perhaps why it has appeared in other media. I only thought Paul and Jessica were such profane names for this world. I haven't read Dawn or A Maze of Death but I might pick up a Butler or a Dick in the near future. Great video, as always
I just finished God-Emperor of Dune earlier this week and thought that it was excellent. This, and Dune Messiah, are better books than Dune in my opinion. Each book is different and the reader can benefit if they see the ideas that Herbert tries to encapsulate each story in. Dune is an apocalyptic novel. The Golden Path is the apocalypse that usurps all other agendas and schemes and dominates history. Dune Messiah is a romantic novel. Look for themes like isolation, longing for the lost past, knowing what needs to be done but being unable to enact it, et cetera. Children of Dune confused me but it may have an inverted fairy tale narrative structure. And God-Emperor of Dune is a dystopian novel and perhaps the most prescient one that’s ever been written. I think the fact that it is a fourth book in a series is the only reason that it doesn’t get mentioned with 1984 or Brave New World. Have a great weekend.
Looking forward to them all now, thanks! From what people say I'm going to enjoy Dune Messiah the most and you have confirmed that! Hope you have a good weekend too!
That same asterisk and notation should be in the corner of most "news" programs as well. And as for my opinion with Dune, read it for the first time two years ago, not on my top ten list either, in fact, I didn't even really like it too much, just average. Haven't read Dawn, but A Maze of Death is one of my favorite PKDs.
I see your point. I read Dune when I was a kid (mid 70s) and have always considered it a juvenile. While I enjoyed Dune, I liked Maze of Death a lot more. Still think about it occasionally, thirty years after I first read it.
I'm still here. I've tried a few times to read Dune but keep getting stuck in it. Perhaps it's just not for me. I've got A Maze of Death ready to read among my ebooks, just have to wait until it gets to the front of the queue. I like PKD's novels more than his short stories. The novels have a lot of variation but I find the shorts are too similar in theme. I've not thought of seeing him as being unable to trust his own perception of reality, but that thought will certainly move Maze up the list out of curiosity.
I read "Dune", and the first trilogy, while I was Active Duty, 1977 - 1981. I thought it was great back then. I still recall a lot of it and I still think it was a great book.
@@bookjack I was also "around" during the introduction of micro computers. I remember wanting so bad to have an Apple II. But, even a few years later, it was a Commodore VIC 20 for me.
If you're Gonna read the dune series, at least get to God Emperor Heretics and chapter house are good Don't get me wrong , but it peeks at god emperor Like if you just read the first two or three , you're not gonna get most of what's trying to be gotten across
I haven't read it either or seen any of the movies. Frankly I'm tired of hearing about it because a story about deserts and sand worms isn't exactly my cup of tea nor am I at the age where I want to take on some serious world-building.⚛
I’m curious as to what was said about they them pronouns. As an lgbtqia fan it would make me sad to find out that jack has negative or derogatory opinions of my community. Comments about pronouns are not just random little moments as he described it. And he doesn’t seem sorry that he offended some people. It seems like he blames people for over reacting and that’s such a privileged response. He will never know what it’s like to be misgendered there fore he can never appreciate the weight of his words. I’m afraid this might be a problematic voice in this book community that is supposed to be about love and passion for what we read. Curious if there’s anything you have to say for yourself jack.?
Wow the baseless allegations here... I was talking about the use of gender neutral pronouns in writing and saying that it's clunky but that if we keep reading them they no longer will be. All the comments I'm talking about were bashing me for being accepting of that
@@bookjack it doesn’t seem like that comment had anything to do with what was being discussed in your video so I’m not sure why you felt the need to say it but it was jarring to hear you mention something like that so casually. You could of made it its own video addressing what actually happened as opposed to vaguely referencing comments that steady viewers of yours probably didn’t even notice. Even as a regular viewer myself, I had no idea what you were referencing. Perhaps some concise clarity would have been better in this situation as opposed to a micro aggressive comment that could be taken any which way. There was literally no context for it so I provided my natural reaction to this video and my comment was exactly how you made me feel watching it.
Unfortunately, I totally disagree. In my opinion, Dune is one of the WORST science fiction book ever written. (As one of the problems I have, for example, Herbert totally ignores basic ecology and biology - Dune is a desert world, and has Gargantuan worms - and they eat WHAT to get to that size? ) For starting SF, I would recommend Andre Norton, Robert Heinlein, John Campbell, Jack Williamson, Frederic Pohl, C.J.Cherryh, Ann McCaffery, and Edward E. "Doc" Smith. Or even Orson Scott Card. Herbert is definitely not beginner material. Haven't read anything by Butler, and from several reviews- yours included- it is unlikely that I will waste my time doing so. On the other hand, I, too, thoroughly enjoy PKD, although he is not one of my top ten authors, he is in my top 100. C. J. Cherryh's Cuckoo's Egg, is one of the finest single volume world and character building stories I think I've ever read!
Thanks for the recommendations! As far as the worms go I kind of figured Spice had a lot of semi-magical qualities that covered plot holes like that. Maybe it turns your eyes blue, fuels time dilation and is very protein rich? 😅
i like your style dude
Thanks! 🤙
Ah, yes, the three Ds: Dune, Dawn, and Dick. I've read all three of them, Maze of Death I finished this past week! It's much darker in its implications than his more popular works. PKD did think the FBI was following him, so you wondering what conspiracy he'd believe isn't far off.
Dawn was good at atmosphere, poor at dialogue. I kept skimming through sections because "I thought they had this conversation already," very circular, but Butler does have a knack for giving chills down the spine.
Dune is a book I appreciate, not close to my Top 10. While the Worldbuilding is top notch, it was hard to get into, and it took strange turns towards the end. But you have to give it a nod for helping usher Scifi and Space Opera into the mainstream.
Dune gets a massive antiquity bonus for sure. Can't believe I missed Dune, Dawn & Dick alliteration 😅 Perfect theming.
Maze of Death was pretty dark. A difficult book to talk about because I didn't want to spoil it
I respect your opinions. 😊
I try to read a book every evening, but longer or denser titles usually take two evenings.
Even so, there are way too many books out there for me to be influenced by someone I don’t know and whose opinions I don’t trust. Since I started watching BookTube while working from home during the pandemic, I have found several reviewers who helped me broaden my reading adventures.
That’s a good thing.
Thank you for your contribution.
😺✌️
One book a night wow! Depending on the length and density of the book, I usually read 2-3 books a week. I'm always amazed by people who read 30 books in a month.. like how lol. My TBR is so long, I wish I could read 30 books a day 🤣 I, too, love booktube! It's my #1 source for recommendations.. other two sources are the library catalog and random Amazon recs.
Happy to be a contributor :)
A book every evening is big game! Took me about 3 weeks to get through Dune 😅
@@bookjack I don’t watch tv or use social media unless I’m on the clock, so I have several hours after dinner to read uninterrupted.
@@bookjack You are lucky to have a wonderful wife. 😊
@@bookjack You are lucky to have a wonderful wife. 😊
I read Dune when I was 15, 46 years ago, and I am always surprised when they say that it is a philosophical novel because the only thing I remember is that it was a superb adventure novel. I definitively need to reread it.
Make sure to read at least up to the second book, because it gets way more philosophical and Paul's character because like so amazing
I would classify it as an adventure novel over a philosophical novel for what it's worth
Awesome video! "Maybe wine" ...sounds familiar 😳
Have you thought about reading any more books from the Dune series that Herbert wrote? I’ve been binging them one after the other after reading Dune Messiah. Currently on God Emperor of Dune.
EDIT**nvm I read the rest of the comments! Looking forward to your reviews when you get to them!
I keep being warned about how weird the books get. But I like weird most of the time
I haven't read a ton of science fiction but I did finish Dune last year. I think it's great sci-fi for fantasy readers - its mode is less experimental but epic with lots of world-building (maybe like Star Wars is epic and Star Trek is more speculative/experimental). Its main plot is basically the monomyth (chosen hero) and some writing choices feel quite juvenile (as others here have pointed out), like how thoughts of some characters are told directly. The world-building is great, though, which is perhaps why it has appeared in other media. I only thought Paul and Jessica were such profane names for this world.
I haven't read Dawn or A Maze of Death but I might pick up a Butler or a Dick in the near future.
Great video, as always
I will try my best to incorporate the word monomyrh in conversation from now on 😁
@@bookjack will totally not make you look like a douche nerd 😂🤓
I just finished God-Emperor of Dune earlier this week and thought that it was excellent. This, and Dune Messiah, are better books than Dune in my opinion.
Each book is different and the reader can benefit if they see the ideas that Herbert tries to encapsulate each story in. Dune is an apocalyptic novel. The Golden Path is the apocalypse that usurps all other agendas and schemes and dominates history. Dune Messiah is a romantic novel. Look for themes like isolation, longing for the lost past, knowing what needs to be done but being unable to enact it, et cetera. Children of Dune confused me but it may have an inverted fairy tale narrative structure. And God-Emperor of Dune is a dystopian novel and perhaps the most prescient one that’s ever been written. I think the fact that it is a fourth book in a series is the only reason that it doesn’t get mentioned with 1984 or Brave New World.
Have a great weekend.
Looking forward to them all now, thanks! From what people say I'm going to enjoy Dune Messiah the most and you have confirmed that!
Hope you have a good weekend too!
That same asterisk and notation should be in the corner of most "news" programs as well. And as for my opinion with Dune, read it for the first time two years ago, not on my top ten list either, in fact, I didn't even really like it too much, just average. Haven't read Dawn, but A Maze of Death is one of my favorite PKDs.
Glad we can agree on that :)
I see your point. I read Dune when I was a kid (mid 70s) and have always considered it a juvenile. While I enjoyed Dune, I liked Maze of Death a lot more. Still think about it occasionally, thirty years after I first read it.
I really like the concept that the ending brings up. Makes me wonder if it would work in reality
I'm still here. I've tried a few times to read Dune but keep getting stuck in it. Perhaps it's just not for me. I've got A Maze of Death ready to read among my ebooks, just have to wait until it gets to the front of the queue. I like PKD's novels more than his short stories. The novels have a lot of variation but I find the shorts are too similar in theme. I've not thought of seeing him as being unable to trust his own perception of reality, but that thought will certainly move Maze up the list out of curiosity.
This was my second attempt at Dune and I'm glad I got through it. Might not have survived a third try
I read "Dune", and the first trilogy, while I was Active Duty, 1977 - 1981. I thought it was great back then. I still recall a lot of it and I still think it was a great book.
I would have loved to be around for the first wave of hype
@@bookjack I was also "around" during the introduction of micro computers. I remember wanting so bad to have an Apple II. But, even a few years later, it was a Commodore VIC 20 for me.
If you're
Gonna read the dune series, at least get to God Emperor Heretics and chapter house are good Don't get me wrong , but it peeks at god emperor
Like if you just read the first two or three , you're not gonna get most of what's trying to be gotten across
I will try my best 😅 planning on reading all of them eventually
I haven't read it either or seen any of the movies. Frankly I'm tired of hearing about it because a story about deserts and sand worms isn't exactly my cup of tea nor am I at the age where I want to take on some serious world-building.⚛
I’m curious as to what was said about they them pronouns. As an lgbtqia fan it would make me sad to find out that jack has negative or derogatory opinions of my community. Comments about pronouns are not just random little moments as he described it. And he doesn’t seem sorry that he offended some people. It seems like he blames people for over reacting and that’s such a privileged response. He will never know what it’s like to be misgendered there fore he can never appreciate the weight of his words. I’m afraid this might be a problematic voice in this book community that is supposed to be about love and passion for what we read. Curious if there’s anything you have to say for yourself jack.?
Wow the baseless allegations here... I was talking about the use of gender neutral pronouns in writing and saying that it's clunky but that if we keep reading them they no longer will be.
All the comments I'm talking about were bashing me for being accepting of that
@@bookjack it doesn’t seem like that comment had anything to do with what was being discussed in your video so I’m not sure why you felt the need to say it but it was jarring to hear you mention something like that so casually. You could of made it its own video addressing what actually happened as opposed to vaguely referencing comments that steady viewers of yours probably didn’t even notice. Even as a regular viewer myself, I had no idea what you were referencing. Perhaps some concise clarity would have been better in this situation as opposed to a micro aggressive comment that could be taken any which way. There was literally no context for it so I provided my natural reaction to this video and my comment was exactly how you made me feel watching it.
Also I can’t find any of the comments youre referencing anywhere so I’m struggling to make sense of things. How are you being bashed?
Unfortunately, I totally disagree. In my opinion, Dune is one of the WORST science fiction book ever written. (As one of the problems I have, for example, Herbert totally ignores basic ecology and biology - Dune is a desert world, and has Gargantuan worms - and they eat WHAT to get to that size? ) For starting SF, I would recommend Andre Norton, Robert Heinlein, John Campbell, Jack Williamson, Frederic Pohl, C.J.Cherryh, Ann McCaffery, and Edward E. "Doc" Smith. Or even Orson Scott Card. Herbert is definitely not beginner material. Haven't read anything by Butler, and from several reviews- yours included- it is unlikely that I will waste my time doing so. On the other hand, I, too, thoroughly enjoy PKD, although he is not one of my top ten authors, he is in my top 100. C. J. Cherryh's Cuckoo's Egg, is one of the finest single volume world and character building stories I think I've ever read!
Thanks for the recommendations!
As far as the worms go I kind of figured Spice had a lot of semi-magical qualities that covered plot holes like that. Maybe it turns your eyes blue, fuels time dilation and is very protein rich? 😅
Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents by Butler are worth reading.
They eat sand plankton
As for them getting that size I don’t know can a species not grow big because it’s in their biology?