I’m a PK and I relate to Vicky and Lex with the whole being introverted and being in the back and cam hit it on the nail with the they chastise us more than they do their own kids MY GOD from Zion lol thank you soooo much for this I feel so safe here watching these it’s like no one understands the PK life it’s hard out here y’all 🤣
I didn’t know I was a people pleaser until my husband called me out on it. As a PK I never was given the chance to say no. As a 26 year old wife and mother, I’m just now stepping into and owning my “No”.
I'm not a PK, but I felt the expectations part growingb up as a Christian....or being excluded, dumbing yourself dwn, hiding and being called names for being or doing your best. I'm still effected by these things I grew up with.
I’m a PGK (preachers grand kid)and was homeschooled … so all of this was relatable x10 LOL glad I’m now a 33 year old married woman who can laugh about it now.
I remember failing a class in my last year in school and it was the actual equivalent to the end of the world. I didn't eat for about 2 days and I was a literal walking corpse but somehow God came through for me in those moments, So I'm just grateful.
I feel like I was a people pleaser a lot growing up mainly. Towards adults because feeling pressured that you have to always do what you are told & don’t talk about. It took me awhile to learn how to say “No” in adulthood. I’ll proud say no now🥴
The conversation about father’s had me breaking down in TEARS! I never thought of the relationship I have with my earthly father as being the first representation of a relationship with Christ. It’s so true and makes so much sense. I went to see Vicky’s dad preach 1 time and it’s stuck with me ever since. Thank you for what you all are doing here. ❤️❤️
Soooo many truths in this episode. This was triggering AND edifying at the same time. True PKs need to be affirmed that they should not apologize or dumb down the gifts God has given us in order to fit in.
Thank you so much for this. I can resonate with all of this. My dad is a preacher and all my uncles and cousins. It helped me understand why I am they way I am. I’m like Vicky and Lex I like to hide because I’m tired of hearing their opinions and the whole church talking about you. I want to live without caring what everyone things. I’m 33 and I still struggle with the affects of growing up a PK. Love this!!
Loooove this episode. As a preachers kid, I can 100% percent relate. The bar be high sometimes and a lot people forget we are humans too. Thank you two for shedding some light on this ❤
This was a great Conversation. I definitely was living my whole life pleasing everyone that was in my life and making them happy instead doing what was pleasing to God. But I’m starting the enjoy the pleasure of being free of living to please people because God had to pull people out of my life and open my eyes to see those around me wasn’t for me. I’m about to be 30 this month this resonate a lot. Thanks Guys for this
This is good. I am somewhat a child of someone who ministered. I honestly never really even admitted that cuz I didn’t consider it relevant to my life. But I will say being in ministry and trying to be everything everyone else wants you to be is exhausting and has caused me so much stress that physically my body has perpetually been tormented 😫. I am recovering from being a people pleaser and also an introvert who has made myself be extroverted to make other people feel comfortable. There is nothing like accepting yourself the way you are and not being pressed if others do. And yes you can still love God and people! 😊
Kudos to you guys for broaching this topic. I can certainly relate having grown up as a PK. Especially, with the introversion and scrutiny and living to please others. Thank you for sharing.
I can relate to you .I am also a twin and have a dad as a preacher.. Its sooooooooo much to talk about my upbringing. You have to please everyone except yourself. Lots to say.
Cam, you better preach! Many aren't called... Llexis, that was a word!!! I always thought when people judged preachers kids, they needed to look within and raise their own kids.
This was so good and so needed! I was born a PK as well and the ideology of being perfect, performing well constantly and the expectation to succeed differently than folks own kids has always been a struggle for me. It wasn't until just a few years ago when I started to find the words to better communicate to help my mom understand these struggles. Now that my dad has passed, he was a pastor, I've wanted to go through all of these questions and just awakening that I've come to with him. Vicky the comment you made about PK's living in silence because its such a lonely road was spot on! So all of that plus living in America as a black woman, in corporate America...talk about a headache! lol But God!
Heavy on the were just talking about cereal 😭🤣 I think when people say things like that they look for any reason to exclude you because they have nothing else to say 🤦🏾♀️ it’s crazy how all of us can relate ! Nice video ❤️
I literally leaped for Joy when I saw the title and the Logan gang!! 😆😁😁 Hey Lexi 😍 as a PK this is relatable, tfs. 💕 Can't wait for more videos like this!!
I love this upload! It gave me a lot more insight as to some of the few experiences a pastors kid may have growing up and makes total sense. Thank you guys for always being so transparent!!! The three of you guys should do more videos together! This was nice! Also, your sister is beautiful Cam! ♥️ & heeeeey vickyyyyy lol
Omg!!!!! I've been waiting for something like this we go through so much as a PK!!! listen, I was set down from directing my Youth Choir cause I had on red fingernail polish. I was that one that felt neglected cause they were always traveling, ministering to others, on top of that we had a 24 hr prayer line connected to our home phone line so it was always about ministry and here I am my life is in shambles like you don't see me?! cause of the expectations of how others view me Oh, I went through it!!! And dealing with the rejection came along with other things that happened so I'm grateful for this and I too was one of the ones who like dummy down cause you didn't want others to feel some kinda way of being smart and I was the youngest of my siblings that didn't help either... Too much! and still suffering and I'm 53yrs old
This touched me so much , kinda made me emotional. My dad is a rev, and I still struggle with downplaying myself & coming out of people pleasing as a 27 grown adult! This has helped me so much, thank you !
This resonated SO WELL! So many good points. I remember during my childhood, I was at a workshop and a lady who happened to be a preacher shared that while she was called into the ministry, she is extremely mindful in not putting that responsibility on her child and I remember feeling like wow...why can't everyone think this way. i feel like our generation of PKs had a hard time because our parents/grandparents were very much still into the "traditional ways" which ultimately left me to seek a church far from that.
I am glad you all made it 😊. ..it feels the sort of the same being an adult and trying to live free and speak your Truth even if you were not a PK Lord help us all 💕
I want to know from Vicky and Cam as to what they are going to do when they have children to allow them to grow and flourish without having being stamped as a “PKs”. What advice would you give yourself in raising children “PKs” and what advice would you give your children on handling this label. -from one PK to you all.
Hmmmm in not even 5 minutes in and I'm already excited for this and I'm not a PK!! This was amazing! I grew up in the church and that people pleasing just hit different, I would love for yall to dig into that more. This was definitely more therapeutic than I was expecting and y'all said and brought to light loss of thoughts and feelings that I unknowingly pushed down.
I also believe that that's why a lot of people have a hard time believing in prophecies because there's so many false prophets out here prophesying out of a spirit of familiarity instead of actually listening to and speaking the word of God
I love that you all are speaking your truth and in some way I think it can bring awareness of how we treat people and what we say. This made me reflect on growing up in church and how I remember I had such a negative experience being a child in church. And some of those experiences stick with me to this day.
Thank you so much for this conversation, it so relatable and true. Definitely agree with being a PK is like being a celebrity child 😭 It's hard out here but we bless God for grace.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I felt as if it will relate to most if not all PK’s. Which will cross denominations, ethnicity’s, and cultures. Thank you all so much! And I’ll be watching 😜
I’m not a PK but my parents are elderly and in our church it was kinda the same thing as a PK because our pastors kids were not in church, I sooo relate to y’all.
I’m a PK kid (😑 kinda). My dad is a pastor but my dad and myself have no relationship at all never took care of me a day in my life. Super close to my other relatives on his side though. Watched his sermon one time and was utterly annoyed because I knew he was a literal hypocrite. People would always ask me about him and his church “did you hear you daddy preach?” “How you feel about your daddy” “ Amazing man of God, you gone take his mantle?” Me asking what mantle? False prophet? Those questions were always cringe for me and having people think certain things about me and judge me because I wasn’t interested in my fathers teaching made me disappear from everyone and everything. Being a PK hits different when you are disassociated from the “P”, a whole other conversation to be talked about.
This was interesting podcast quite relatable even though I am not a PK I did grow up in church there was a time where I felt uncomfortable being in church I haven’t been in church except for online church community sometime can be very judge mental and people pleasing can leave you drained and unhappy
I’m not a PK. But as a Christian and growing up in a more restrictive denomination + Nigerian church where you are almost related to everyone so everyone THINKS they are your parent or have the right to constantly interject unwanted info/ opinions is very discouraging and annoying. And like Vicky said for a period of time I didn’t want no parts of church and still til this day kind of struggle with it. But I enjoy watching talks like this cause Church hurt is real.
This is an interesting topic. I wonder how people feel whose parents became preachers when they are now adults? Is it still pressure now that y’all are adults?
Some people inside and outside of the church always say "You know what they say about them PKs, they're the worst" ! Chileee, I've gotten this statement since elementary school. So many pedal-stools we are placed on that we didn't even ask for. Let me be human please ! & yes, I feel like I'm still trying to please people as a 30 year old, because of this title "PK".. I'm still trying to get free from it. This was a great topic ya'll!!
If I meet anyone outside of church, I don’t want them to ask me anything about my family. Being a “PK” is like a dirty secret you don’t want anyone to know or find out. I want to be considered “normal”.
I understood exactly what Vicky was saying about being the "smart kid"...I just wanted to feel normal and not like everyone looked to me to know what was going on I remember purposely missing the application test for the high school academy so that I can go to the public high school instead
@@victoriouslogan 😭 whole time Disney Channel lied because high school was not like that 😂 but I will say going to public school effected me negatively when I went to college because being the "smart kid" quickly faded away at the PWI I went to surrounded by all these people that had better preparation for college through their high schools
@@kateo. this is true! I got into college automatically and my first year was very easy. But that’s also one of the reasons I ended up dropping out, I wanted to know how to live on my own without ppl telling me how to. I felt like I had no life skills and everything was chosen for me. So I did my own thing. No regrets
Omg🤦🏼♀️ I’m not a pk but I hated that a lot my family. Would dry snitch on me tell my parents stuff🥴 I didn’t add family on social media until I became an adult…
I see people trying to please people instead of God whether you are a PK or not I just want to say to you all speak your Truth and be free and stay free because you are your own person and I know you all hear from the Lord yourselves...I pray that the people that are in your parents congregation's would mind their own business and let you all live your adult lives...
C’mon Pastor Cam with the stats about the fake Called!! (Necessary rant) Tag team message from the siblings. “Trying to raise you instead of raising their own kids”
Y’all lowkey describing my childhood 😂 and my Mom wasn’t a preacher or pastor. Is some of this synonymous with just being a church kid in general? What y’all think? 🤔
I’m a PK and I relate to Vicky and Lex with the whole being introverted and being in the back and cam hit it on the nail with the they chastise us more than they do their own kids MY GOD from Zion lol thank you soooo much for this I feel so safe here watching these it’s like no one understands the PK life it’s hard out here y’all 🤣
I didn’t know I was a people pleaser until my husband called me out on it. As a PK I never was given the chance to say no. As a 26 year old wife and mother, I’m just now stepping into and owning my “No”.
I feel youuuu..... Everyone be expecting us to be so perfect and cute to be point that we aren't allowed to be "human" sometimes
Girl u opened my eyes as a people pleaser and first born daughter too😭🥲Tk you
Lex is finding her voice! So proud 💕
I saw “Preachers Kid” and I was like “immediately yes!”
You know it... Same lol
Llexis said (about her job) "alot of people need me, it don't mean I need to stay there". Amen to that. 🙌🏾
He said “a lot of y’all ain’t called”
Cmon now! A word.
whew… being a PK… it’s such a complicated experience. shout out to all the unicorns out there, we’re built in a way that iykyk
I’m a PK and this is SPOT ON!! Thanks for shining the light on this topic. It’s not talked about enough!
I'm not a PK, but I felt the expectations part growingb up as a Christian....or being excluded, dumbing yourself dwn, hiding and being called names for being or doing your best.
I'm still effected by these things I grew up with.
I’m a PGK (preachers grand kid)and was homeschooled … so all of this was relatable x10 LOL glad I’m now a 33 year old married woman who can laugh about it now.
I remember failing a class in my last year in school and it was the actual equivalent to the end of the world. I didn't eat for about 2 days and I was a literal walking corpse but somehow God came through for me in those moments, So I'm just grateful.
I feel like I was a people pleaser a lot growing up mainly. Towards adults because feeling pressured that you have to always do what you are told & don’t talk about. It took me awhile to learn how to say “No” in adulthood. I’ll proud say no now🥴
The conversation about father’s had me breaking down in TEARS! I never thought of the relationship I have with my earthly father as being the first representation of a relationship with Christ. It’s so true and makes so much sense. I went to see Vicky’s dad preach 1 time and it’s stuck with me ever since. Thank you for what you all are doing here. ❤️❤️
Soooo many truths in this episode. This was triggering AND edifying at the same time. True PKs need to be affirmed that they should not apologize or dumb down the gifts God has given us in order to fit in.
Thank you so much for this. I can resonate with all of this. My dad is a preacher and all my uncles and cousins. It helped me understand why I am they way I am. I’m like Vicky and Lex I like to hide because I’m tired of hearing their opinions and the whole church talking about you. I want to live without caring what everyone things. I’m 33 and I still struggle with the affects of growing up a PK. Love this!!
Loooove this episode. As a preachers kid, I can 100% percent relate. The bar be high sometimes and a lot people forget we are humans too. Thank you two for shedding some light on this ❤
This was a great Conversation. I definitely was living my whole life pleasing everyone that was in my life and making them happy instead doing what was pleasing to God. But I’m starting the enjoy the pleasure of being free of living to please people because God had to pull people out of my life and open my eyes to see those around me wasn’t for me. I’m about to be 30 this month this resonate a lot. Thanks Guys for this
This is good. I am somewhat a child of someone who ministered. I honestly never really even admitted that cuz I didn’t consider it relevant to my life. But I will say being in ministry and trying to be everything everyone else wants you to be is exhausting and has caused me so much stress that physically my body has perpetually been tormented 😫. I am recovering from being a people pleaser and also an introvert who has made myself be extroverted to make other people feel comfortable. There is nothing like accepting yourself the way you are and not being pressed if others do. And yes you can still love God and people! 😊
Thank you for speaking up for pks all over in the world
Kudos to you guys for broaching this topic. I can certainly relate having grown up as a PK. Especially, with the introversion and scrutiny and living to please others. Thank you for sharing.
My twin sister and I NEEDED this as being PK's. Soo good to see LLexis lex flex in this!!
I can relate to you .I am also a twin and have a dad as a preacher.. Its sooooooooo much to talk about my upbringing.
You have to please everyone except yourself.
Lots to say.
@@cherryjanes5681 Yes ma'am, this right here! Lots to say but Lord knows. I pray we'll get some ease
Baby !!!! I felt this in my spirit . These facts are even worse when your mother is the preacher !!! All of the expectations go up by 10x!
Wowww, I was thinking and hoping y’all would do a podcast on this. And yall did it! Us PK’s need conversations like these. Thanks guys! 😁😁
Cam, you better preach! Many aren't called...
Llexis, that was a word!!!
I always thought when people judged preachers kids, they needed to look within and raise their own kids.
This conversation is so good!! 🙌🏽
The best marriage pod ever! ❤ keep’em coming, fam. Love y’all!
This was so good and so needed! I was born a PK as well and the ideology of being perfect, performing well constantly and the expectation to succeed differently than folks own kids has always been a struggle for me. It wasn't until just a few years ago when I started to find the words to better communicate to help my mom understand these struggles. Now that my dad has passed, he was a pastor, I've wanted to go through all of these questions and just awakening that I've come to with him. Vicky the comment you made about PK's living in silence because its such a lonely road was spot on! So all of that plus living in America as a black woman, in corporate America...talk about a headache! lol But God!
Heavy on the were just talking about cereal 😭🤣 I think when people say things like that they look for any reason to exclude you because they have nothing else to say 🤦🏾♀️ it’s crazy how all of us can relate ! Nice video ❤️
You brought back memories with the sagging pants. Pops was NOT having it 😂
I literally leaped for Joy when I saw the title and the Logan gang!! 😆😁😁 Hey Lexi 😍 as a PK this is relatable, tfs. 💕 Can't wait for more videos like this!!
Is it just me or does being a PK and growing up in an African household sound similar 😭
I love this upload! It gave me a lot more insight as to some of the few experiences a pastors kid may have growing up and makes total sense. Thank you guys for always being so transparent!!! The three of you guys should do more videos together! This was nice! Also, your sister is beautiful Cam! ♥️ & heeeeey vickyyyyy lol
Omg!!!!! I've been waiting for something like this we go through so much as a PK!!! listen, I was set down from directing my Youth Choir cause I had on red fingernail polish. I was that one that felt neglected cause they were always traveling, ministering to others, on top of that we had a 24 hr prayer line connected to our home phone line so it was always about ministry and here I am my life is in shambles like you don't see me?! cause of the expectations of how others view me Oh, I went through it!!! And dealing with the rejection came along with other things that happened so I'm grateful for this and I too was one of the ones who like dummy down cause you didn't want others to feel some kinda way of being smart and I was the youngest of my siblings that didn't help either... Too much! and still suffering and I'm 53yrs old
This touched me so much , kinda made me emotional. My dad is a rev, and I still struggle with downplaying myself & coming out of people pleasing as a 27 grown adult! This has helped me so much, thank you !
This resonated SO WELL! So many good points. I remember during my childhood, I was at a workshop and a lady who happened to be a preacher shared that while she was called into the ministry, she is extremely mindful in not putting that responsibility on her child and I remember feeling like wow...why can't everyone think this way. i feel like our generation of PKs had a hard time because our parents/grandparents were very much still into the "traditional ways" which ultimately left me to seek a church far from that.
I’m Muslim and I can relate to most of this that’s crazy the pressure adults put on kids 😭
😔❤️
Now this right here is why this is my favorite podcast! Never related to something so much. This was the best!
Great topic!! As a PK! I’m sure I will agree with most of what you all say! Ready to hear the nuggets you all share!
I am glad you all made it 😊. ..it feels the sort of the same being an adult and trying to live free and speak your Truth even if you were not a PK Lord help us all 💕
I want to know from Vicky and Cam as to what they are going to do when they have children to allow them to grow and flourish without having being stamped as a “PKs”. What advice would you give yourself in raising children “PKs” and what advice would you give your children on handling this label. -from one PK to you all.
Yes Cam!! PK’s are like celebrity child
I totally relate 😅
Hmmmm in not even 5 minutes in and I'm already excited for this and I'm not a PK!!
This was amazing! I grew up in the church and that people pleasing just hit different, I would love for yall to dig into that more. This was definitely more therapeutic than I was expecting and y'all said and brought to light loss of thoughts and feelings that I unknowingly pushed down.
I also believe that that's why a lot of people have a hard time believing in prophecies because there's so many false prophets out here prophesying out of a spirit of familiarity instead of actually listening to and speaking the word of God
Glory to God... Vicky you just preached a sermon... freedom is all I can say 💕
I love that you all are speaking your truth and in some way I think it can bring awareness of how we treat people and what we say. This made me reflect on growing up in church and how I remember I had such a negative experience being a child in church. And some of those experiences stick with me to this day.
Tons to unpack indeed!
When cam said that some of the pks act like that cause their parents aren’t saved??? Whew stuff is really making sense
That is Michael Jackson on the background vocals for "Somebody's Watching Me" by Rockwell (Berry Gordy's son) so you aren't tripping Vicky.
Thank you so much for this conversation, it so relatable and true. Definitely agree with being a PK is like being a celebrity child 😭 It's hard out here but we bless God for grace.
Pray for our families and the people of the world....whew....lex speak your Truth girl it tight but it's right.
😂 it’s they “Y’all know me, You know like I know” for me LOL I miss star 😩
Same 🥺🥺🥺
Cam is preaching the word abt half of these churches needed to shut down! Come on sir!
Wheeewwww just in time!! 🔥🔥🔥
Omg as a PK I related to all of this sooo much. It was always a phone call for me too and the things weren’t even big deals 😩
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I felt as if it will relate to most if not all PK’s. Which will cross denominations, ethnicity’s, and cultures. Thank you all so much! And I’ll be watching 😜
I’m not a PK but my parents are elderly and in our church it was kinda the same thing as a PK because our pastors kids were not in church, I sooo relate to y’all.
I’m a PK kid (😑 kinda). My dad is a pastor but my dad and myself have no relationship at all never took care of me a day in my life. Super close to my other relatives on his side though. Watched his sermon one time and was utterly annoyed because I knew he was a literal hypocrite. People would always ask me about him and his church “did you hear you daddy preach?” “How you feel about your daddy” “ Amazing man of God, you gone take his mantle?” Me asking what mantle? False prophet? Those questions were always cringe for me and having people think certain things about me and judge me because I wasn’t interested in my fathers teaching made me disappear from everyone and everything. Being a PK hits different when you are disassociated from the “P”, a whole other conversation to be talked about.
I will be soo happy to meet you guys in person i feel pks need a shoulder to cry on
When she said “ How old I am is not a fun fact” took me out 😂
What Cam and Lex said about false christians and PKs💯🔥
This was interesting podcast quite relatable even though I am not a PK I did grow up in church there was a time where I felt uncomfortable being in church I haven’t been in church except for online church community sometime can be very judge mental and people pleasing can leave you drained and unhappy
I’m not a PK. But as a Christian and growing up in a more restrictive denomination + Nigerian church where you are almost related to everyone so everyone THINKS they are your parent or have the right to constantly interject unwanted info/ opinions is very discouraging and annoying. And like Vicky said for a period of time I didn’t want no parts of church and still til this day kind of struggle with it. But I enjoy watching talks like this cause Church hurt is real.
20:38 - 22:00 oups 😬🙊IM A PK AND I COULDNT AGREE MORE
As soon as I click play, I press like. I know it's gonna be good lol duh
This is an interesting topic. I wonder how people feel whose parents became preachers when they are now adults? Is it still pressure now that y’all are adults?
Some people inside and outside of the church always say "You know what they say about them PKs, they're the worst" ! Chileee, I've gotten this statement since elementary school. So many pedal-stools we are placed on that we didn't even ask for. Let me be human please ! & yes, I feel like I'm still trying to please people as a 30 year old, because of this title "PK".. I'm still trying to get free from it.
This was a great topic ya'll!!
Now this is the one!! Off title alone! 🙋🏾♀️🙃
Would love to hear the plus side of being a PK. Also invite your dad in for the convo.
Trying to please anyone...Ties you up and allows you not to be who God has called you to be 💕
If I meet anyone outside of church, I don’t want them to ask me anything about my family. Being a “PK” is like a dirty secret you don’t want anyone to know or find out. I want to be considered “normal”.
21:30 he just read fake pastors for filth 😂👏🏽👏🏽
C'monnnn yall better call these people out 🔥 only 20 minutes in! Soooo good!
Awesome podcast.....
I understood exactly what Vicky was saying about being the "smart kid"...I just wanted to feel normal and not like everyone looked to me to know what was going on
I remember purposely missing the application test for the high school academy so that I can go to the public high school instead
Man I was PISSED that I couldn’t go to public school in high school. I wanted to be regular like the kids on Disney channel so bad 😂
@@victoriouslogan 😭 whole time Disney Channel lied because high school was not like that 😂 but I will say going to public school effected me negatively when I went to college because being the "smart kid" quickly faded away at the PWI I went to surrounded by all these people that had better preparation for college through their high schools
@@kateo. this is true! I got into college automatically and my first year was very easy. But that’s also one of the reasons I ended up dropping out, I wanted to know how to live on my own without ppl telling me how to. I felt like I had no life skills and everything was chosen for me. So I did my own thing. No regrets
@@victoriouslogan I feel that! 🙌🏽 Once you start living for yourself, it's something that no one can take away from you!
Omg🤦🏼♀️ I’m not a pk but I hated that a lot my family. Would dry snitch on me tell my parents stuff🥴 I didn’t add family on social media until I became an adult…
I see people trying to please people instead of God whether you are a PK or not I just want to say to you all speak your Truth and be free and stay free because you are your own person and I know you all hear from the Lord yourselves...I pray that the people that are in your parents congregation's would mind their own business and let you all live your adult lives...
Complete sidebar..MJ does do that part of the song. It’s someone else’s song, but he sang the hook 😇😇
C’mon Pastor Cam with the stats about the fake Called!! (Necessary rant) Tag team message from the siblings. “Trying to raise you instead of raising their own kids”
This!!
the same for first elder kids we part of the group lol..
Being a PK truly is a lonely thing.
I guess I am curious if there are any benefits to being PK from yalls perspective I feel like we always hear the negative but is there any positive?
Definitely! There’s multiple conversations that can be had around this topic
Michael Jackson is on that song as a feature!
Cam is right...that is the exact reason millennials don't want to go to church....
Y’all lowkey describing my childhood 😂 and my Mom wasn’t a preacher or pastor. Is some of this synonymous with just being a church kid in general? What y’all think? 🤔
Have y’all went to therapy?
Tell the truth shame the devil
No positives lol? Church got to do better
There are positives lol but this episode is about the pressures