Because she is a Kazama but very far relatives of Jin. Also T5 ending is not canon. Moon is right, if that ending will became canon Asuka is much better of with Lili helping her to Eliza and discovering her true powers before encountering Jin.
I think you missed the point. The reason Asuka was being pushed to Jin's storyline is because she was first introduced as the only who was able control the Devil Gene inside Jin. Then came the era where Bamco decided that they would just pair up side characters into friendship/rivalry so they have an excuse to bring them in the roster every Tekken game without actually involving them in the main story. Paul, who was supposed to be Kazuya's main rival, was demoted to be part of three idiots. Same with Asuka, being demoted as Tsukkomi to Lili's Boke, as part of their two-woman clown act. Lili was already associated with that era of demoting side character's storylines, so even if Bamco do got their act together and is cooking an actual storyline for these side characters, players can't help on dwelling on the character's original premise and wonder what could have been.
I think that when Asuka first debuted, she was revealed with the Kazama name, making everyone believe she would have an important role in the main story. And everyone feels she wasn't utilized to her full potential as a character. Not only was she not involved in the Mishima plotline and what could have been a potentially interesting dynamic with Jin, but heck; even her original story with trying to get revenge on Feng was dropped. And to add on, Asuka was put in a rivalry with Lili (for the most part, seems to be one-sided). If the writers insist on keeping a dynamic with Asuka and Lily, for me personally I would like to see them develop a "Quid Pro Quo" type of relationship (working together in exchange for special favors). Because the Asuka/Lili dynamic just bears way too much resemblance to the Sakura/Karin dynamic from Street Fighter
@@Mclucasrv And that because the tekken writing has been trash since T5, they only focus on stupid toilet humor rather than giving each characters something meaningful, look what they've done with Paul, the Laws, Yoshimitsu and Eddie.. at least the street fighters characters has something to do, Tekken is the only fighting game that has 95% of the roster is relegated for stupid unfunny skits and the roster is full of failures..
I really think the writers need to get past the whole Asuka Lily rivalry and just get rid of Lily. At least Asuka had the name Kazama so can connect to the main story somehow.
@@LouSassol69er They can't get rid of lily. She is insanely popular. A large amount of ppl play and main her. That's just bad from a business perspective.
Lili should have a story centered around dealing with her traumatic experience, where she first learned how to defend herself. Maybe her father passes away and she takes over the company. Dealing with the balance between her darkness and her goodness. If Asuka is still involved, her good nature can help heal her and give Asuka a bigger platform to pursue Jin and her family issues.
Lili, the most unserious character ever forced to have a serious introspective arc? Sounds very silly to me. It's also never been in asuka arc to "pursue Jin" that is xiaoyus thing. Let asuka do her own thing
@MrInuhanyou123 that's the point of giving Lili a serious arc though, to remove the silly factor from her. I feel she hides behind a facade of confidence because she never wants to feel the powerlessness she had experienced during her kidnapping again. I do agree it would be nice to see Asuka get her own serious arc as well. But the family relation has to be addressed at some point so she can grow. To me, the story of Tekken has always been about trauma and overcoming your own personal darkness. Jin and his devil gene/family issues, Jun with Unknown, Anna and Nina's harsh upbringing and rivalry etc. It's about growth, in my opinion.
@@anotherhealingjourneybegins then use Jun kazama if you want a serious arc, asuka can't be taken seriously due the fact Japan didn't like Jun seriousness so why change something that ain't broken
@shenell johnson I do use Jun, and will again. There's nothing wrong with wanting characters to progress story wise. The whole point of this video is fans claiming it IS broken. I'm not saying Asuka needs to be moody and brooding. But it'd be nice to see Asuka do more in the story than get slapped in the mouth by Lili after waiting a decade for a new plot entry.
I genuinely think Lili is using Asuka to get to Jin, she even mentions that shes moving into the dojo too because she assumes that Asuka will get dragged into the family drama eventually. They just haven't let that side unfold yet because of lack of budget and time. literally nobody got story progression besides the main characters. it will also give Lili the opportunity to show if shes a redeemable character and fight along Asuka and jin or continue the witch hunt for him because she blames him for her fathers company being at risk.
dang, it really is kinda a punch to the gut realizing how none of the characters stories have progressed outside of the Mishima conflict. There have been maybe minor advancements but they feel like footnotes rather than new paragraphs. Really hoping for a decent character arcade mode for tekken 8, but we'll see. The more they focus on the Mishima blood feud the less relevancy the other characters and their stories have. Wish we could get the best of both worlds somehow
I think, as you say, a better Arcade Mode would be key. No reason there shouldn't be decently long enough Intros, Outros, and at least 2-3 cutscenes on each run as it were in the old games. I'd go extra and even add alternate routes just for flavor text with alt characters if anything (Strive does this if you lose rounds or perhaps don't lose a single round). Anything to give the characters more flavor, because if all is in on the big story mode, it'll be impossible to spread the love to enough of the roster unless they do something big.
I dont think she “needs to be” but the fact that she is a kazama needs to be addressed. The reason i say that is I’m wracking my brain thinking of a meaningful impact Asuka could have that Jun couldn’t. Jun is gonna save Kazuya (or try), Jin already mastered the devil gene so no need for Asuka there. Maybe console him, well that’s where Xiaoyu comes in plus they never even met so why should he care. Ideally they should create solid B plots with groups of characters like how moonsault suggested.
Similar to Jin and Hwoarang, I feel like they could maintain Asuka's rivalry with Lili and also take her in a new direction. That said, in games with rosters as big as Tekken, not everyone is going to have a super important story. Perhaps she will somehow partner up with Xiaoyu to find Jin, maybe with their travel fees paid by Lili, with the caveat that she joins them as well. Probably not, but it's a fun idea lol.
Right it's lol literally the same thing with Jin and hwoarang, if I was Murray or harada, I would ignore that crowd asking to stop the lili/Asuka rivalry, since Tekken doesn't write it's stories based on feedback and last I checked I don't think bamco Tekken is looking for any writers either lol.
Let's be real here for a second, she got paired with Lili because they wanted to rip off Karin and Sakura's relationship on a superficial level which wasn't even good in its own game. And even if you argue that Asuka could have a better story outside the Mishima Kazama bloodline, she already has a story that was unresolved to this day. Feng. Did everyone forget this? They have to continue this story. Feng also has nothing to do, the whole Kung Fu gang has nothing to do actually besides maybe Xiayou. I'm hoping pairing her reveal with Leroy means Leroy will get her closer to Feng and then Lili can do whatever it is she wants to do with the vampire.
In all Honesty, they definitely need to Separate the Feud of both Asuka and Lili ASAP, because making them a Rivalry was an utter Mistake since Tekken 6, So time for those 2 to just Move on and let them get their own Creative Storylines that will have nothing to do with each other anymore.
I honestly hope Lili can get her story revived with Eliza and finding out if the two are really related,what went on to where Eliza was trapped under her estate & why. They can have interesting stories it’s just the writers do absolutely nothing with the characters.
No asuka need to be removed from Lily. What did both did since they debut in 5 I can wait. Asuka already had something going on. With Feng and Jin but scraped that try make Lily important but it got worst nothing but stalker love story. If they want Lily do something pair her with another character like claud hunt down that vampire.
When I first saw Lili in Tekken, I immediately think she's an interesting character just base on her design. Together with Lars, they should be the new generation face of Tekken. (She should also work with Lee and Claudio and they will be called the Team Elegance.)
Please Read Mr. Moon Yes, I do agree that Lili and Asuka being together is technically not a potentially bad story. Sometimes we do have to remind ourselves as fans that the developers don't always get what they want to develop their game story because they're so focused on making it playable that it won't complain about everything else. that's why if this game comes out in late 2024 I wouldn't mind so they can focus on the story the most. And for your third reason Mr.Moon, I 100% agree with what you're trying to say Don't let Tekken 8 be another Ant-Man story. But, I would at least like Jun and Asuka to have a little bump in the road within their story and those two meets. Technically, Jin and Jun minus the Mishimas, Are the only family members she really knows after her family incident with her family’s dojo. Basically, just doing some confirming like say if Asuka says to Jun, “ Auntie Jun!! You're Alive!? Because the tree can be very scatterbrained sometimes and don't know why so it's really into who. After that little dialogue, they just split up into their different stories and do whatever the developers want to do. Personally, I think it'll be cool if Asuka and Jun how to split screen moment where they're defeating both of their main targets and exercising the demons out of say Kayzua and Eliza at the same time in different places.
So here's my thoughts on Asuka and Lili. While it's true it's just another Sakura and Karin, but it's clear that such is super one sided and Lili is strangely toxic. Doing things without Asuka's consent, and in her T7 ending, she smacks the woman down to the ground for reasons as "You deserve it for being so you", which I find infuriating and gross. Even if it's true Lili for whatever reason likes Asuka, or maybe escaping Eliza- the way she goes about it is again- insufferable. I like the thought of Asuka scolding Jin and helping stop Kazuya, I wouldn't mind that happening. But I also like the thought of her being important ENOUGH to stop Eliza. Just as long as she does SOMETHING as a Kazama. In short; I agree with you. She doesn't have to be with the rest, but if she does more than be Lili's punching bag, I'm content.
Asuka and Lili both need their stories to progress. The only characters they interact with is each other. I def see them concluding their rivalry this game and moving on their own paths. I personally want to see Lili interact with a Mishima, specifically Jin and confront him.
Very true point. They have not progressed many characters story and that's why I feel T7's stories were just filler. T8 has to work overtime because that was actually horrible. Look at Eddy's story. 4 games of him pursuing kazuya and a teenager beats him up. What's T8's story gonna be? Eddy is once again pursuing Kazuya for revenge!! They need to give the characters purpose outside of the Mishimas. Eddy's T7 story was him opening up a capoeira school and then running after Kazuya again....every story is ".....to get revenge on the Mishimas!" Think that needs to dissolve.
Yes, Lili being sisters with Eliza was an interesting turn of events. It CAN make for an interesting story, THE PROBLEM is that they don't have that story, they just threw the revelation to us without further elaborating on the details, just how is it possible for Lili and Eliza to be sisters despite the enormous age difference, so much that Eliza could pass as an ANCESTOR of Lili's rather than her actual sister. And the whole Asuka/Lili rivalry that has been going on since T6 at the very least, just serves to show you how boggled down Tekken's story really is. *It's not really a false accusation to say that Lili ruined Asuka's character development,* because their rivalry is really going nowhere, and Lili is just being kept as an airheaded, cuckoo character that has nothing inside her mind beyond this childish, pathological rivalry/obssession/grudge with Asuka. Instead of, you know, doing SANE things, like worrying about her father, making other friends, being interested in boys, no, that's not for her *There's just zero character development for characters in this game,* even the Mishimas. Heihachi lived as an unrepentantly evil bastard, and he died the way he lived. Kazuya got even worse, because before he had at least the excuse of being the monster he is thanks to Heihachi, he always wanted to revenge on his dad for what he had done to him, which is nice, but now after he has finally achieved his goal by killing his old man in a grueling fight, he just degenerates into a generic "I'm evil because I'm evil" villain. And now we're about to see if Jin finally achieves his own goal of getting Kazuya and himself killed. The Williams sisters, Asuka and Lili and the Mishimas are, at least for the moment being, not going anywhere with their respective conflicts.
If they want to make Asuka a joke character, they shouldn’t have make her having ability to heal Jin from his devil side. It’s all started because of that. Now that I think about it, Asuka just want to deal with Feng that’s all. I don’t think she want to have anything to do with Jin & Mishima’s mess
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 yes but her ending is fight against Lili because she fall from her bike and her food fall on the ground and be completly destroyed,i understand that kind of humor in Japan is accepted because quarter/half of anime or manga have that kind of stuff but outside Japan this stuff is boring and make Mk comedy stuff 100x better
She isn't a joke character she just stopping gang members from fighting each other that's it she's a peacemaker have you not seen her title in the TK8 trailer
One of the bigger issues is that for a story that supposedly moves timeline wise there’s no progression for anyone outside of the Mishima characters. The Lili and Asuka storyline has had plenty of time to show progress and it hasn’t so it’s time to end it. Lili isn’t the problem it’s the developers and their need for slapstick anime that doesn’t really work in this instance. The execution was bad from the beginning and got worse. It keeps getting over the top and neither character seems to grow as a person.
Lili has a whole potential Vampire sister!! Like why haven’t they focused on lili and eliza. Asaka should be around but also be more involved with the Kazamas and Mishimas
@@devinperson242 first off there’s no confirmation on lili and Eliza that they are not sisters so like I said ..POTENTIAL. And secondly the shorts weren’t just all comedy which is a fact and confirmed. Have several seats now🙌🏾🙌🏾
This might sound kinda crazy but what if Lili’s father was a vampire like Eliza and that’s how they’re connected? Also they could probably do what a lot of anime do where there’s subspecies of demons like devils, succubi, and vampires. That would make it so that we get more insight on devils and demons in the tekken world.
If characters are related then they should be involved. The Kazama name has been dragged through the mud by Jin. Asuka will pull up on Jin because of this. Thats her story. Lili is not required. Lili is trash.
Yeh I'd be happy with them continuing asukas story with Lili, as at least some stuff is happening there with Lili moving in. I just noticed there that Lili talks about learning kazama style martial arts, I wonder if they'll give her some of asukas old moves? it does seem odd that they'd have 3 characters with kazama style moves in one game outside of tag though.
I personally wouldn't mind if Lili and Eliza sat this one out. A smaller cast would allow more time a focus on each character's role in the plot as well as mechanical balancing. Save the massive roster and silliness for TTT3.
Its all about the Mishimas, ALL THE TIME. I can't stand those characters anymore. It's always about revenge and tossing people off a cliff but no one really dies and it goes full circle. Bamco should really pay actual writers instead of ketting harada writing the story..
What happened is Asuka being introduced to us as a Kazama. She was given to us as a replacement for Jun. And since she's been here, she has yet to touch the main story of the series. Which is fine. But knowing how the community loves to connect the dots and they don't connect this far into her tenure, it's become "well what is she here for?" especially now that Jun is back. The Asuka and Lili rivalry is cool, but it hasn't gone anywhere. It's probably the most lackluster story in the franchise of the characters who have one. It seems she doesn't know Jun exists or her and Jin are somewhat connected. If her and Xiaoyu cross paths, I think that would help push her story
Lili needs more screen time and we want to know more about her! She is so gorgeous and interesting, maybe some flash backs or something. I want to see her and Asuka in a more serious aspect.
She needs to and they already confirmed that Asuka is going to meet Jin to explain their relationship and her purpose just like Harada-san stated years ago. Lili and Asuka's joke endings are so annoying and are delaying the inevitable important matter at hand.
Asuka being a Kazama family member makes her important to the main story line. I've been in the camp of make the story better in fighting games. There's an audience who genuinely enjoys fighting game. Main story could consist of Jun trying to heal the devil gene out of Kazuya. Asuka can have her plot intersect with Jin. The issue with Asuka is that she' was placed from an important role (becasue of her name sake) to a character with no plot. Since Jun was gone Asuka was needed to fill that role. Now that Jun is back and Asuka's had no purpose, outside of her debut game, her character isn't needed or is either pointless outside of Lili. In order to fix that she needs an important role to the main plot. Or turn her into a side character with no momentum outside of Lili. They've made a mess of the story and each character outside of the Mashima's have no direction. They need writers
I think Lili should go fight against Eliza and Asuka supposed go own way but i dont be shock if we gonna get some monster hunting/ghostbusters comedy stuff
Honestly, as someone who needs rival battles in their fighting games. Asuka and Lili rivalry ( If you can call it that) seem pointless outside of TTT2. These two have petty bouts and really need to GROW UP if they ever want them to appeal to others aside from their own fans.
The issue is because asukas tied to lilly she isn't included in the kazama michima stuff which is a huge waste of potential, anyone remember story mode in T5 when she meets jin? And they've done practically nothing with it and with jun now coming back it would be great to have her tie in somehow, also Lili could have a rivalry with eliza and leave asuka to take on a bigger role
IMO all characters deserve to have a decent story. That being said, some characters's story is so bad for the overall story of the game, they should just dissapear in the foggy background. Beggining with that incredibly stupid concept of a narcolectic vampire diverging from any thing that makes even a little sense in Tekken.
After all, Asuka is just a school girl. Sure she is Kazama but her parents have been living a normal live (I assumed because she kinda happy go lucky). How the heck can she even involved with Mishima? If anything, she should having a serious story with the mafia because she always seems to involve with them just because she wants them to make peace.
I agree that all the side stories are trash and the the solution should be to create solid B plots with other characters that can either enhance the main plot or even go in a different direction. A also agree with the general consensus that the Tekken team (up to this point) have been incapable of doing that and that the only hope for peoples characters to get some legitimate shine is to tie them to the main Mishima/Kazama storyline. With that last part being said, its very understandable for Asuka fanboys (me) to want that for Asuka more than anyone else just on the strength of who she is. A solid B plot with her, Lily and Aliza would be awesome tho but I guess my takeaway is to not get my hopes up lol.
Before people ask Asuka to be envolved to the main story they should ask for good writting for all characters instead. If Eliza is in the game they will just do a sleep joke.
In my humble opinion, they should separate Asuka from Lili to bring back their original purpose way back in T5: - Asuka: Regaining back her father's dojo and the honor of his father from Feng, and clearing the Kazama Family name from the wrong doings of his cousin, Jin Kazama. - Lili: Regaining or building back her father's businesses and her father's respect unto her by showing what is her purpose on participating in the tournament, to begin with. Both of them were cool in T5 and I really liked them a lot before. But onwards, they've become a joke. I accept the fact that we can't get that now, sad to say, since of Asuka's hilarious relationship with Lili continues to T8. If they're going to that route, I think my suggestion is to make use of their individual inherited names to help the story going in general, as main participation into the story: - Lili: She can use the remaining resources what her father has left, to get information about the Kazamas and Mishimas. Heck, she can help the main characters, just like what she did in T6 Scenario Campaign. - Asuka: Since her family name is tainted, by the works of Jin, Asuka should have at least something to do with the main plot. Since Jun is here, at least show what her father has to say with the war happening, the history of their dojo, his gratitude to Lili for being a good friend to Asuka, and the history of the Kazamas. - Asuka & Lili: I think the plot where Lili bought & decorated her dojo, is kinda interesting. Bamco may use that as a way showing Lili that she cared for Asuka, despite of their rivalry. Also, as a way to explore their complex relationship into some wholesome thing. That might be great. But what can I do is to wait for the game to show up and see what Bamco did to them... If they do justice to their characters or not.
the thing that pisses me off is that side characters either do nothing at all or their stories are just "they didn't win so their situation got worse" (as if runner up prize money isn't a thing?), where they are only used for shitty joke endings
Ok look, I don't mean to write a book, but I'm gonna write a book. Not as a rant tho, just my own theory I agree that Asuka and Lili are kind of a package deal. You sort of can't have one without the other, but at the same time, it is very possible to separate them. If they can do it with Paul and Marshall, and still keep them as friends, I don't see why they can't with Asuka and Lili. Asuka is my main, and I would very much like to see her separated from Lili for a short time. I think they both will go on their own serious routes this time, and eventually meet back up considering that it's now canon that Lili owns Asuka's family dojo. Regarding Asuka, I believe it could be Alisa seeking her out and not Eliza, and I'm going to explain why. The Eliza thing makes sense to an extent, but it doesn't make sense to me if she said she's going home to rest... her home isn't Japan, it's Monaco where Lili's estate is. Alisa could be seeking her out for her Kazama abilities that she displayed unknowingly in her debut game, Tekken 5. I believe Alisa has the power to scan people and sense their powers. (Correct me if I'm wrong) My thinking is that, if the game is going in the route of killing Kazuya, that Jun's power of light may not be strong enough to defeat the devil inside Kazuya, and they may need Asuka's ability COMBINED with Jun's abilities to fully defeat him with Jin and the others. I could be over reaching, but I feel as though this is plausible. It could also be that she could train with Jun to strengthen her angelic Kazama powers, or what have you, but I hope that this is where they take Asuka's story. For Lili to mention looking at Asuka's family tree (As stated in Asuka's T7 ending) and mention how she could "easily get roped up in the Mishima's mess,"..... it just doesn't make sense to me why they would have her mention that, and then do NOTHING with it, you know? It's just my thinking and my hoping for Asuka. Regarding Lili, I think 1 of 2 things will happen. If the Eliza story is right, then I believe that she is going to try to use Eliza to get to Asuka and get some kind of "revenge" for defeating Lili in Tekken 5, and then it might almost go too far and they both have to fight Eliza off or something, not too sure on that... OR Lili travels back home with Eliza and we may find out more about the history with the De'Rocheforts and Eliza. Things could get dicey or they could become the new "female comedic relief" or something along those lines. I would hope not because I kind of would like for Lili to be somewhat more serious too. Regarding if they DON'T separate Asuka and Lili, I have a sad feeling that if they don't separate the 2, it will stay as the comedic relief that it's always been. We might see Lili forcing Asuka to teach her the Kazama Martial Arts style or the Eliza story previously mentioned, if Eliza even comes back in the first place. Again, this is just my thinking and hoping for the 2 of them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of what I said lore wise, but I believe I am mostly correct. I love both of these characters and I just want the best for them.
that would help both characters btw. lili was a very baddass character who wanted to ruin the mishima zaibatsu i believe , instead she is stuck with asuka . i still like her alot but tekken 5 lili was really cool .
BUT THEY ARE SO CUTE TOGETHER, they can have an amazing story, asuka can still have an amazing storyline with lili in it. They searching for jun, asuka and lili trying to help xiaoyu or jin / alisa and lars, ETC.
.we don't need asuka to be solely tied into the mishima storyline because she'll just play the background of jin/kazuyas life like everyone else does, they just need to remove the comedy & add drama & intensity to her rivalry with lilli
i would want something like have multiple storylines. maybe a couple of new storylines for each chapter/update to help clear up character stories and reward progression.
And Namco can be good with writing, coz I think the inclusion of Jun rn is perfect for the story. They can apply that same prowess to the side characters 🔥
You're correct about every character outside of the Mishimas getting little to no progression. But why in the blue hell would you want Asuka paired up with such shitty characters?
about eliza i think that's true that she might be a threat which might mean the wake mokujin(remember that it wakes up if there's a huge threat just like jinpachi, azazel, ogre) and eliza might be the next new threat and maybe asuka and lili might team up together to put an end to eliza
I really hope Mokojin return especially after street fighter 5 manages to put a minic fighter as well soulcalibur 6 have inferno back. But i don’t think eliza will be back especially because I don’t see her as canon. She’s debuted in a spin-off (tekken revolution) and been a pre-order bonus for tekken 7.
@@BensyBens i think i can agree with you about eliza not being canon but somehow leroy and lidia were the same as well but now they're canon in 8 so anything is possible, anyways i respect your opinion
@@komisan5757 that’s for respecting my opinion. And about leroy and lidia i think they canon to tekken 7 but not important enough for the main story (lidia maybe canon because she’s the prime minister of poland and the un in canon in the tekken lore and they show the un in the main story of tekken 7). Those stories are the base stories to their own characters in the series while they develop more in tekken 8. Eliza created especially because of fan poll for tekken revolution, and the reason why she’s got a side story is because she’s was ready to be in the roster on the launch day but she’s added as a day 1 pre-order bonus dlc instead (something that got namco a lot of backlash later especially around soulcalibur 6) and her gameplay is basically a beta version of geese.
Characters with the same abilities not being able to cooexist is a big ass stretch: Sure Ant-Man 3 didn't make it work but there's lots of other things that movie got wrong. Similarly we've had 4 Mishimas per game and players even now hoping Heihachi comes back in some way. Story-wise we dunno shit about what Jun's role even is to even speculate that Asuka couldn't be relevant. Is she actually alive? Is she a ghost? Is she just part of a dream sequence? Does she take a host's body? These are all possibilities. And even if she's alive, how does that make Asuka redundant? We could learn more about the Kazama family through that. Asuka doesn't know how to use her latent bloodline's abilities, Jun could still act as a mentor figure in that regard (Perhaps as a boss for Asuka in Arcade Mode). Sky's the limit, and I'm not saying Lili shouldn't be involved there at all whatsoever, but I really disagree with the whole idea that characters with samey abilities can't cooexist idea. Also, this is just IMO, I'm not a fan of Eliza in any of her outtings, esp not in relation to a pachislot story. They could just leave that whole development on the cutting room floor and I don't think anyone would miss it if they managed to step their game up on giving characters satisfying arcade modes and story mode inclusions.
To be Frank - 1:36 it’s just two game lores only most of the casts did nothing since Jin step in and after The Kazuya vs Mishima saga concluded. I’d still forgive Tekkens 4 and 5 because their storyline is a product of their time (5 being my favorite for it brings a lot of new fresh air) but 6 ruined the phasing for me in a lot of ways where Asuka gets her bad treatment started.
While we at it, let's also stop the amazing rivalry of Hwoarang and Jin, lol I disagree and I think the Rivalry between Lilli and Asuka is adorable, however it doesn't mean they both can't have serious storylines though.
Personally, I want Asuka to come out in Tekken 8 story. If she's in the main story, I think she'll be going around with Claudio/Xiaoyu or with Lars/Lee/Alisa.
Probably true. Asuka should have more story with Jun Kazama now since she returned. And for Lili, maybe she can be the new Anna for Nina. Lili fights and loses to Nina as a school girl and becomes jealous of Nina. Battle of the blondes. And Steve meets Anna instead and finally knows each other as Aunt and Nephew.
I mean even is you have asuka a story you have to remember she is 17 years old and lili is 16. So If you paired them up closest you would get is xioxyu...
I think maybe Asuka's story is like this temporarily. You never know, they could be saving Asuka's special abilities for a future Tekken game where she plays a much bigger role. Seems like her T5 ending was probably a way to give players a heads up bout what she can do so it won't be such a shock to people later on. Like lets just say Jin & Xiao has a son together later on & he has the devil gene too. Then he goes on some quest to find his aunt Asuka as its rumored that she has the Kazama gift of suppressing the devil gene or whatever. Just a quick, random theory. Sorry if it doesn't make much sense.
Huh... Gotta say. The though that maybe Lili has the Vampire Gene? 😂 Not bad. So it's kinda like Jinpachi asking for Wang's help to defeat the vampire Gene. Also, I think they tried a lot of plots for Asuka but I think all of them were sub par. They tried grouping her, Lili and xiaoyu cyz they were all highschool students. And I think they even fault this giant robot in a different game too. I don't know the name tho. 😅 And then they tried to go down the "gang mediator" route where Asuka keeps the gangs from fighting each other and keeping the peace. I think another way to look at it was that Asuka started with a good plot. She wanted to avenge her father from an unknown attacker. And somewhere along the way she meets this rich girl and devil guy. She defeats the rich girl easily. She then meets the devil guy knocked out and she unknowingly heals him of (or suppresses) the devil gene. There wasn't much explanation at the time so it was a mystery and everyone was intrigued about her. That's a good plot! But then it got retconed, she didn't achieve her goals, and then the plot didn't mention her Kasama powers ever again. 😂 She had the potential of having good plot. But then it was wasted. And not only that, a new guy comes in and it turns out that he was actually a relative of the Mishimas. And they made HIM the plot relevant one. Asuka came first and Mr-badhair-anime-personafied-weeabu (I'm talking about Lars, btw. 😂) Became the plot relevant one?! Thats not fair! And I think that's the source of all of these complaints.
fr look at Law and Paul's T8 bios its a joke its not just an Asuka and Lili thing its pretty much every character that isnt a Mishima. heck Bryan is still out there blowing up helicopters .
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 you actually think Bryan cares about the mishimas at all? Dude has been a damn menace since tekken 3 for the hell of it just because he can lol
@@simonjeremy1776 i dont think you understand my point idc if Bryan is involved with Mishimas or not, my point was that Bryan just like everyone his story isn't going anywhere.
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 Because not everybody wants to rule the Mishima zabatu bro and take over for example akuma made it but was a character that train himself inside his abandoned dojo just like Feng wei it focus on the Mishimas because there actually effecting everyone lives around them
I'm confused as to why people are including Unknown in Tekken8 theories . She was NEVER canon. Yeah Tk8 Jun has some recycled Unknown TTT2 animations, but that's it.
No idea, this guy also talks about there being 3 character using kazama style but jin uses traditional karate with devil stuff so that point didn't make sense...
Asuka can be part of Mishima/Kazama storyline and Lili can be part of Asuka storyline , they came too far to separated these two right now , just reduced Lili role in Asuka life a little at least in the main game for more healthy story overall. Edit : Don't change Lili personality tho some characters doesn't need character growth because it's will definitely hurt their popularity more than helping them , people like Lili because how mean and elegant she is.
I think people are mad cause Asuka has been shown to have the biggest opportunity of story out of anyone else, she had Feng as a antagonist, but that story was dropped in favor of Lili. I get that people like the healing aspect of her, but I like that she was after Feng, but they completely dropped that plot. bring that back instead of the Jin stuff, it suits her existing character so well.
And y’all forget that lili is tied to Eliza 🤷🏻♀️ and that could have a suppppper strong basis for lili 🤷🏻♀️ and at that point powers over auska in my opinion auska always been an immature like school kid to me while lili is this graceful hot headed mean girl but really she puts up that “mean girl act” because of what happened to her when she got kidnapped it changed her
As someone who has always been an Asuka main, I kinda prefer her having that niche characterization of being goofy rivals with Lili, with both of them them being mostly unrelated to the main story, rather than having her play what would most likely be a very minor role. If anything, what I *would* like is for them to also expand of Asuka's original character drive of pursuing Feng to get revenge with Lei's help (meybe Lili too, who knows).
Yeah. That was the original essence of her character. But they just swept it all under the rug. I also hope that maybe she can learn a thing or two from Leroy that will help her defeat Feng Wei
Honestly half of these storylines probably won't even continue in Tekken 8. Also more then half of the new characters most likely won't even be in Tekken 8. I only think Lidia and Leroy are coming back from the new cast, just my opinion
Lili is a terrible character and nothing more than a bland ripoff of Karin. Nor is Eliza interesting. While Asuka doesn't need to be involved in the Mishima storyline, she could have at least have a rivalry and story with Feng. Focus on her being defeated by him and then go through a bit of a intense training arc where she becomes strong enough to challenge him again. Potentially defeating him. I believe most people hate the lili x Asuka story ever since it was introduced in Dark Resurrection. Its simply boring.
IF Lili ruined Asuka, the reverse also is true. Lili was destined to avenge her father, she even fought Jin at some point in T5, all that tossed away when the girls met
Considering how Namco's been trying to do a lot for Tekken 8, I think it'd be a bit shortsighted for them (and also the audience, frankly) to separate Asuka from Lili just to improve her story, as if the two are mutually exclusive against each other. I want to trust Namco's writers to actually give Asuka more character development and main plot involvement this time w/o having to sacrifice her pairing with Lili, esp. when her outfit (and to an extent, some of her new moves) seems to have a bit of Lili-esque elements on them, not to mention in the Tekken 7 ending for Lili, she seems to take an interest in learning the Kazama style of martial arts so given her nosy antics toward Asuka, she could also get involved in the Mishima feud, even if it's just a minor role.
I disagree with youe opinion and i gonna write my opinion with 3 parts. 1. No one story really progresses since tekken 6, and i blame because there wasn’t a real time jump between games. Tekken 4 to Tekken 7 is one year and Tekken 8 gonna be taking place one year after tekken 4. Also tekken 7 have very low budget and this is why everyone was rush with the stories. 2. No there is no potential, it’s just a sakura-karin rivalry rip-off just with tekken skin. Lili ain’t serious and act like a snub rich girl while asuka the osaka girl. It’s not similar to the marduck-king rivalry or bryan-yoshimitsu rivalry that’s had conclusions this one have no progress and just boring. Also i don’t see eliza as canon she was a pre-order bonus in tekken 7 and debuted on tekken revolution (a f2p strip down tag 2) I can’t see her canon in the story. 3. I want asuka in the main mishima-kazama story but i agree she does not need to have a major screen time, she’s a kazama so she at least need to be around xiaoyu, hwoarang, alisa or even lee at least the beginning the feud between jin and kazuya doesn’t need her at least right now we already got lars and jun in it. It’s similar with leo another character that have a huge potential to be more important to the story of nina and steve but he’s stuck to be a goofy un-gender character that’s scared from yoshimitsu. Still rather see lili going into a rivalry with josie or lucky chloe. Josie can work because that’s can make her angry and tough than a crybaby from tekken 7. Lucky Chloe can be funny because lili already a joke character and turning lili into a background dancer or chloe into lili clown it’s can be work better.
While I agree that character stories not progressing is the problem with the majority of Tekken characters not connected to Mishima drama, and not just Asuka and Lili, I disagree that it maes criticism of how they were handling Asuka's character unwarranted. People want her to be more involved with Jin, cause that's what developers set up in the first place since her introduction in Tekken 5, with having the same ability as Jun to suspend Devil Gene. Or not just Mishimas, but also her rivalry with Fang Which is why Asuka being stuck with Lili feels frustrating because suspend the more interesting unresolved plot points writers THEMSELVES set up. And to be blunt, I don't see Eliza's plot being more interesting story to take, cause it's hard to even speculate if that plot point will go anywhere with the little info we got or if it will just abound as well. But, I think most people can agree Tekken's plot was always a big mess, and the stance "no one cares about the story" will always be funny to me in regards to Tekken, cause creators admited they don't care that much, but at the same time use said story to market their games.
Because story is the only thing they can depend on now as "single player content". The other features Tekken once had-Tekken Force, Customization, Tekken Bowl- were removed, downgraded, or on a paywall, respectively. Without that, Tekken will only be played for so long on a casual standpoint, especially when Street Fighter 6, which includes an open world feature with customizable characters, is right around the corner. Plus NRS has plans on developing another Mortal Kombat.
That's an interesting take on Eliza. Unfortunately, her nature of debuting in a spin off game (Tekken Revolution) and then locked off via on-disc DLC on first day in Tekken 7 rubbed people the wrong way. Not to mention being female, having outlandish power and using one quirk mostly found in anime cliches (a sleepyhead waifu) also adds fuel to the fire. I don't necessarily hate these things or think that adding these things ruin a character instantly. But considering the kind of fans we have that held up such standards as "Characters should do this and this and this to be respected or else we treat them like blight and complain to hell and back as if we're the righteous ones armed with divine knowledge, the developers are just idiots pandering to the lowest common denominator trash."... Yeah, the odds are going to be stacked against Eliza and they will ignore her potential in favor of crying out that their standards have been violated, we must not support or invest on this character... ... Can you believe these guys? I think the same with the whole Asuka-Lili rivalry thing. I was never thinking that Asuka should handle the 'vs Kazuya' thing in Kazama, Jun got that covered. But... people still demanded Asuka be the one, and won't accept everything else (and Asuka's popularity number did eclipse Jun. What else other than the Kazama power, because she's a tomboy character? Tomboy character is the rage these days.) Besides, if the Mishima saga ends in this game (with most likely Kazuya dying) and Tekken 8 proves to be popular to warrant another series, they need another arc to continue the story. The potential with Eliza seems to be able to blossom that way, but who knows what Harada is thinking. This can be proven wrong. Great analysis, by the way. I am SO glad that you don't follow the common mindset of "Asuka-Lili is bad, bring Asuka to the Mishima blood feud!" That being said, I have a potential idea for you, involving another pair of character often lambasted: Paul Phoenix and Marshall Law. The guys who 'went from respected badasses to utter jokes since Tekken 5'. If you can give a similar analysis like this, that'd be great, but up to you.
It's not that I hate the idea of those 2 competing it's just annoying that nothing goes anywhere with it, I thought asuka would have a whole ordeal with feng considering her dad is hospitalized because of him, and it's good way to get stronger for when she intends to beat the crap out of him for besmirching the Kazama name. I find lili annoying but it's not something that can't be worked with, I like differing stories, it makes the world feel like a world and if Kazama's do have some kind of power against evil beings it'd be nice for her to use some of that for the weird things in this world. I just don't want their rivalry be the entire story and that's it, that's boring. If they have to be involved with each other, spice it up with a common enemy or goal for them to work towards. I don't mind them being involved with Eliza, but just do something else. Having their story be summarized as "These 2 want to fight each other" and doesn't really delve into anything else just limits both of their potentials.
It's crazy that Asuka is the only member of the main Tekken Family that is never treated like one outside of Tekken 5 (Her debut game)
Because she is a Kazama but very far relatives of Jin. Also T5 ending is not canon. Moon is right, if that ending will became canon Asuka is much better of with Lili helping her to Eliza and discovering her true powers before encountering Jin.
@@shana_sakai then that’s still about lili
I agree. Asuka's story should be separated from Lili. They can be friends but Asuka's story shouldn't centre around Lili.
they can still be together, lili helping asuka to find jun, or idk but they need to try
@@dreamydreams2694 be together? Hell nah Lili is crazy
Asuka is an immature underage teen and you want her to be part of the main story?
@@KazuyaKai923 that’s what I’m sayin
@@KazuyaKai923 Not the main story but to find another purpose
I think you missed the point. The reason Asuka was being pushed to Jin's storyline is because she was first introduced as the only who was able control the Devil Gene inside Jin.
Then came the era where Bamco decided that they would just pair up side characters into friendship/rivalry so they have an excuse to bring them in the roster every Tekken game without actually involving them in the main story. Paul, who was supposed to be Kazuya's main rival, was demoted to be part of three idiots. Same with Asuka, being demoted as Tsukkomi to Lili's Boke, as part of their two-woman clown act.
Lili was already associated with that era of demoting side character's storylines, so even if Bamco do got their act together and is cooking an actual storyline for these side characters, players can't help on dwelling on the character's original premise and wonder what could have been.
I think that when Asuka first debuted, she was revealed with the Kazama name, making everyone believe she would have an important role in the main story. And everyone feels she wasn't utilized to her full potential as a character. Not only was she not involved in the Mishima plotline and what could have been a potentially interesting dynamic with Jin, but heck; even her original story with trying to get revenge on Feng was dropped. And to add on, Asuka was put in a rivalry with Lili (for the most part, seems to be one-sided). If the writers insist on keeping a dynamic with Asuka and Lily, for me personally I would like to see them develop a "Quid Pro Quo" type of relationship (working together in exchange for special favors). Because the Asuka/Lili dynamic just bears way too much resemblance to the Sakura/Karin dynamic from Street Fighter
Not even this because at least Sakura/Karin relationship has mature with time and we cant say the same to Lili/Asuka.
@@Mclucasrv And that because the tekken writing has been trash since T5, they only focus on stupid toilet humor rather than giving each characters something meaningful, look what they've done with Paul, the Laws, Yoshimitsu and Eddie.. at least the street fighters characters has something to do, Tekken is the only fighting game that has 95% of the roster is relegated for stupid unfunny skits and the roster is full of failures..
I really think the writers need to get past the whole Asuka Lily rivalry and just get rid of Lily. At least Asuka had the name Kazama so can connect to the main story somehow.
@@LouSassol69er They can't get rid of lily. She is insanely popular. A large amount of ppl play and main her. That's just bad from a business perspective.
@@borponoida9161 why though? She's an annoying bitch character. Are people picking her just as a stupid waifu character?
Lili should have a story centered around dealing with her traumatic experience, where she first learned how to defend herself. Maybe her father passes away and she takes over the company. Dealing with the balance between her darkness and her goodness. If Asuka is still involved, her good nature can help heal her and give Asuka a bigger platform to pursue Jin and her family issues.
Lili, the most unserious character ever forced to have a serious introspective arc? Sounds very silly to me. It's also never been in asuka arc to "pursue Jin" that is xiaoyus thing. Let asuka do her own thing
@@MrInuhanyou123 asuka already did but harada scraped it 🙄
@MrInuhanyou123 that's the point of giving Lili a serious arc though, to remove the silly factor from her. I feel she hides behind a facade of confidence because she never wants to feel the powerlessness she had experienced during her kidnapping again.
I do agree it would be nice to see Asuka get her own serious arc as well. But the family relation has to be addressed at some point so she can grow. To me, the story of Tekken has always been about trauma and overcoming your own personal darkness. Jin and his devil gene/family issues, Jun with Unknown, Anna and Nina's harsh upbringing and rivalry etc. It's about growth, in my opinion.
@@anotherhealingjourneybegins then use Jun kazama if you want a serious arc, asuka can't be taken seriously due the fact Japan didn't like Jun seriousness so why change something that ain't broken
@shenell johnson I do use Jun, and will again. There's nothing wrong with wanting characters to progress story wise. The whole point of this video is fans claiming it IS broken. I'm not saying Asuka needs to be moody and brooding. But it'd be nice to see Asuka do more in the story than get slapped in the mouth by Lili after waiting a decade for a new plot entry.
I genuinely think Lili is using Asuka to get to Jin, she even mentions that shes moving into the dojo too because she assumes that Asuka will get dragged into the family drama eventually. They just haven't let that side unfold yet because of lack of budget and time. literally nobody got story progression besides the main characters. it will also give Lili the opportunity to show if shes a redeemable character and fight along Asuka and jin or continue the witch hunt for him because she blames him for her fathers company being at risk.
dang, it really is kinda a punch to the gut realizing how none of the characters stories have progressed outside of the Mishima conflict. There have been maybe minor advancements but they feel like footnotes rather than new paragraphs. Really hoping for a decent character arcade mode for tekken 8, but we'll see. The more they focus on the Mishima blood feud the less relevancy the other characters and their stories have. Wish we could get the best of both worlds somehow
I think, as you say, a better Arcade Mode would be key. No reason there shouldn't be decently long enough Intros, Outros, and at least 2-3 cutscenes on each run as it were in the old games. I'd go extra and even add alternate routes just for flavor text with alt characters if anything (Strive does this if you lose rounds or perhaps don't lose a single round). Anything to give the characters more flavor, because if all is in on the big story mode, it'll be impossible to spread the love to enough of the roster unless they do something big.
Asuka definitely needs to be part of the mishima/Kazama story line
I dont think she “needs to be” but the fact that she is a kazama needs to be addressed. The reason i say that is I’m wracking my brain thinking of a meaningful impact Asuka could have that Jun couldn’t. Jun is gonna save Kazuya (or try), Jin already mastered the devil gene so no need for Asuka there. Maybe console him, well that’s where Xiaoyu comes in plus they never even met so why should he care.
Ideally they should create solid B plots with groups of characters like how moonsault suggested.
Approved!!!
She doesn't need to dude.
Yeah, that story isn't complicated enough.
It needs to have more characters involved with it.
Similar to Jin and Hwoarang, I feel like they could maintain Asuka's rivalry with Lili and also take her in a new direction. That said, in games with rosters as big as Tekken, not everyone is going to have a super important story. Perhaps she will somehow partner up with Xiaoyu to find Jin, maybe with their travel fees paid by Lili, with the caveat that she joins them as well. Probably not, but it's a fun idea lol.
Nope
Right it's lol literally the same thing with Jin and hwoarang, if I was Murray or harada, I would ignore that crowd asking to stop the lili/Asuka rivalry, since Tekken doesn't write it's stories based on feedback and last I checked I don't think bamco Tekken is looking for any writers either lol.
Agreed
Let's be real here for a second, she got paired with Lili because they wanted to rip off Karin and Sakura's relationship on a superficial level which wasn't even good in its own game. And even if you argue that Asuka could have a better story outside the Mishima Kazama bloodline, she already has a story that was unresolved to this day. Feng. Did everyone forget this? They have to continue this story. Feng also has nothing to do, the whole Kung Fu gang has nothing to do actually besides maybe Xiayou. I'm hoping pairing her reveal with Leroy means Leroy will get her closer to Feng and then Lili can do whatever it is she wants to do with the vampire.
At this point I'm pretty sure even Asuka forget about the whole Feng ordeal
Pairing asuka with feng will damage her popularity ,her pairing with lili is marketing success and that what does company really want.
In all Honesty, they definitely need to Separate the Feud of both Asuka and Lili ASAP, because making them a Rivalry was an utter Mistake since Tekken 6,
So time for those 2 to just Move on and let them get their own Creative Storylines that will have nothing to do with each other anymore.
I honestly hope Lili can get her story revived with Eliza and finding out if the two are really related,what went on to where Eliza was trapped under her estate & why. They can have interesting stories it’s just the writers do absolutely nothing with the characters.
No asuka need to be removed from Lily. What did both did since they debut in 5 I can wait. Asuka already had something going on. With Feng and Jin but scraped that try make Lily important but it got worst nothing but stalker love story. If they want Lily do something pair her with another character like claud hunt down that vampire.
When I first saw Lili in Tekken, I immediately think she's an interesting character just base on her design. Together with Lars, they should be the new generation face of Tekken. (She should also work with Lee and Claudio and they will be called the Team Elegance.)
Claudio is clearly a villain lol
Please Read Mr. Moon
Yes, I do agree that Lili and Asuka being together is technically not a potentially bad story. Sometimes we do have to remind ourselves as fans that the developers don't always get what they want to develop their game story because they're so focused on making it playable that it won't complain about everything else. that's why if this game comes out in late 2024 I wouldn't mind so they can focus on the story the most. And for your third reason Mr.Moon, I 100% agree with what you're trying to say Don't let Tekken 8 be another Ant-Man story. But, I would at least like Jun and Asuka to have a little bump in the road within their story and those two meets. Technically, Jin and Jun minus the Mishimas, Are the only family members she really knows after her family incident with her family’s dojo. Basically, just doing some confirming like say if Asuka says to Jun, “ Auntie Jun!! You're Alive!? Because the tree can be very scatterbrained sometimes and don't know why so it's really into who. After that little dialogue, they just split up into their different stories and do whatever the developers want to do. Personally, I think it'll be cool if Asuka and Jun how to split screen moment where they're defeating both of their main targets and exercising the demons out of say Kayzua and Eliza at the same time in different places.
So here's my thoughts on Asuka and Lili.
While it's true it's just another Sakura and Karin, but it's clear that such is super one sided and Lili is strangely toxic. Doing things without Asuka's consent, and in her T7 ending, she smacks the woman down to the ground for reasons as "You deserve it for being so you", which I find infuriating and gross. Even if it's true Lili for whatever reason likes Asuka, or maybe escaping Eliza- the way she goes about it is again- insufferable. I like the thought of Asuka scolding Jin and helping stop Kazuya, I wouldn't mind that happening. But I also like the thought of her being important ENOUGH to stop Eliza. Just as long as she does SOMETHING as a Kazama.
In short; I agree with you. She doesn't have to be with the rest, but if she does more than be Lili's punching bag, I'm content.
Asuka and Lili both need their stories to progress. The only characters they interact with is each other. I def see them concluding their rivalry this game and moving on their own paths. I personally want to see Lili interact with a Mishima, specifically Jin and confront him.
i honestly understand where ppl are coming from we have a canon game with 3 kazama in it .it would be a waste to not do anything with it
Personally, I liked it better when Feng was Asuka's rival. I like both Lili and Asuka but I'm so over that story line.
Very true point. They have not progressed many characters story and that's why I feel T7's stories were just filler. T8 has to work overtime because that was actually horrible. Look at Eddy's story. 4 games of him pursuing kazuya and a teenager beats him up.
What's T8's story gonna be? Eddy is once again pursuing Kazuya for revenge!!
They need to give the characters purpose outside of the Mishimas. Eddy's T7 story was him opening up a capoeira school and then running after Kazuya again....every story is ".....to get revenge on the Mishimas!" Think that needs to dissolve.
Yes, Lili being sisters with Eliza was an interesting turn of events. It CAN make for an interesting story, THE PROBLEM is that they don't have that story, they just threw the revelation to us without further elaborating on the details, just how is it possible for Lili and Eliza to be sisters despite the enormous age difference, so much that Eliza could pass as an ANCESTOR of Lili's rather than her actual sister.
And the whole Asuka/Lili rivalry that has been going on since T6 at the very least, just serves to show you how boggled down Tekken's story really is. *It's not really a false accusation to say that Lili ruined Asuka's character development,* because their rivalry is really going nowhere, and Lili is just being kept as an airheaded, cuckoo character that has nothing inside her mind beyond this childish, pathological rivalry/obssession/grudge with Asuka. Instead of, you know, doing SANE things, like worrying about her father, making other friends, being interested in boys, no, that's not for her
*There's just zero character development for characters in this game,* even the Mishimas. Heihachi lived as an unrepentantly evil bastard, and he died the way he lived. Kazuya got even worse, because before he had at least the excuse of being the monster he is thanks to Heihachi, he always wanted to revenge on his dad for what he had done to him, which is nice, but now after he has finally achieved his goal by killing his old man in a grueling fight, he just degenerates into a generic "I'm evil because I'm evil" villain. And now we're about to see if Jin finally achieves his own goal of getting Kazuya and himself killed.
The Williams sisters, Asuka and Lili and the Mishimas are, at least for the moment being, not going anywhere with their respective conflicts.
If they want to make Asuka a joke character, they shouldn’t have make her having ability to heal Jin from his devil side. It’s all started because of that. Now that I think about it, Asuka just want to deal with Feng that’s all. I don’t think she want to have anything to do with Jin & Mishima’s mess
actually Asuka also wants to beat some sense into Jim because of what he did in T6
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 really? I forgot what’s her T6 story was
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 yes but her ending is fight against Lili because she fall from her bike and her food fall on the ground and be completly destroyed,i understand that kind of humor in Japan is accepted because quarter/half of anime or manga have that kind of stuff but outside Japan this stuff is boring and make Mk comedy stuff 100x better
TTT2 isn't canon. Thus her ending in that game isn't canon.
She isn't a joke character she just stopping gang members from fighting each other that's it she's a peacemaker have you not seen her title in the TK8 trailer
One of the bigger issues is that for a story that supposedly moves timeline wise there’s no progression for anyone outside of the Mishima characters. The Lili and Asuka storyline has had plenty of time to show progress and it hasn’t so it’s time to end it. Lili isn’t the problem it’s the developers and their need for slapstick anime that doesn’t really work in this instance. The execution was bad from the beginning and got worse. It keeps getting over the top and neither character seems to grow as a person.
That's exactly the same thing about Lili,she needs to be her own bad bitch again
Lili has a whole potential Vampire sister!! Like why haven’t they focused on lili and eliza. Asaka should be around but also be more involved with the Kazamas and Mishimas
How is it potential? There's no way they can be sisters, tekken 7 endings are just lane comedy.
@@devinperson242 first off there’s no confirmation on lili and Eliza that they are not sisters so like I said ..POTENTIAL. And secondly the shorts weren’t just all comedy which is a fact and confirmed. Have several seats now🙌🏾🙌🏾
This might sound kinda crazy but what if Lili’s father was a vampire like Eliza and that’s how they’re connected? Also they could probably do what a lot of anime do where there’s subspecies of demons like devils, succubi, and vampires. That would make it so that we get more insight on devils and demons in the tekken world.
If characters are related then they should be involved. The Kazama name has been dragged through the mud by Jin. Asuka will pull up on Jin because of this. Thats her story. Lili is not required. Lili is trash.
Tekken 4 Character Stories was peak Storytelling Tekken had. No questions.
Yeh I'd be happy with them continuing asukas story with Lili, as at least some stuff is happening there with Lili moving in.
I just noticed there that Lili talks about learning kazama style martial arts, I wonder if they'll give her some of asukas old moves? it does seem odd that they'd have 3 characters with kazama style moves in one game outside of tag though.
For some reason i have a different viewpoint. Lili is holding Asuka back...Facts
I personally wouldn't mind if Lili and Eliza sat this one out. A smaller cast would allow more time a focus on each character's role in the plot as well as mechanical balancing. Save the massive roster and silliness for TTT3.
Asuka is a Kazuma and should be in the main story not with Lili
Agree. We need more Asuka playing a role
Its all about the Mishimas, ALL THE TIME. I can't stand those characters anymore. It's always about revenge and tossing people off a cliff but no one really dies and it goes full circle. Bamco should really pay actual writers instead of ketting harada writing the story..
What happened is Asuka being introduced to us as a Kazama. She was given to us as a replacement for Jun. And since she's been here, she has yet to touch the main story of the series. Which is fine. But knowing how the community loves to connect the dots and they don't connect this far into her tenure, it's become "well what is she here for?" especially now that Jun is back. The Asuka and Lili rivalry is cool, but it hasn't gone anywhere. It's probably the most lackluster story in the franchise of the characters who have one. It seems she doesn't know Jun exists or her and Jin are somewhat connected. If her and Xiaoyu cross paths, I think that would help push her story
Lili needs more screen time and we want to know more about her! She is so gorgeous and interesting, maybe some flash backs or something. I want to see her and Asuka in a more serious aspect.
She needs to and they already confirmed that Asuka is going to meet Jin to explain their relationship and her purpose just like Harada-san stated years ago. Lili and Asuka's joke endings are so annoying and are delaying the inevitable important matter at hand.
Asuka being a Kazama family member makes her important to the main story line. I've been in the camp of make the story better in fighting games. There's an audience who genuinely enjoys fighting game.
Main story could consist of Jun trying to heal the devil gene out of Kazuya. Asuka can have her plot intersect with Jin. The issue with Asuka is that she' was placed from an important role (becasue of her name sake) to a character with no plot. Since Jun was gone Asuka was needed to fill that role. Now that Jun is back and Asuka's had no purpose, outside of her debut game, her character isn't needed or is either pointless outside of Lili. In order to fix that she needs an important role to the main plot. Or turn her into a side character with no momentum outside of Lili.
They've made a mess of the story and each character outside of the Mashima's have no direction.
They need writers
Asuka and Lily both should be seperated from Tekken.
I think Lili should go fight against Eliza and Asuka supposed go own way but i dont be shock if we gonna get some monster hunting/ghostbusters comedy stuff
Honestly, as someone who needs rival battles in their fighting games. Asuka and Lili rivalry ( If you can call it that) seem pointless outside of TTT2. These two have petty bouts and really need to GROW UP if they ever want them to appeal to others aside from their own fans.
The issue is because asukas tied to lilly she isn't included in the kazama michima stuff which is a huge waste of potential, anyone remember story mode in T5 when she meets jin? And they've done practically nothing with it and with jun now coming back it would be great to have her tie in somehow, also Lili could have a rivalry with eliza and leave asuka to take on a bigger role
IMO all characters deserve to have a decent story. That being said, some characters's story is so bad for the overall story of the game, they should just dissapear in the foggy background. Beggining with that incredibly stupid concept of a narcolectic vampire diverging from any thing that makes even a little sense in Tekken.
I actually like a little bit of the Asuka and Lillie story
After all, Asuka is just a school girl. Sure she is Kazama but her parents have been living a normal live (I assumed because she kinda happy go lucky). How the heck can she even involved with Mishima?
If anything, she should having a serious story with the mafia because she always seems to involve with them just because she wants them to make peace.
You tripping
Asuka lili story is Terrible and needs to completely be scrapped. Asuka need to be apart of the mishima/Kazama story
I agree that all the side stories are trash and the the solution should be to create solid B plots with other characters that can either enhance the main plot or even go in a different direction.
A also agree with the general consensus that the Tekken team (up to this point) have been incapable of doing that and that the only hope for peoples characters to get some legitimate shine is to tie them to the main Mishima/Kazama storyline. With that last part being said, its very understandable for Asuka fanboys (me) to want that for Asuka more than anyone else just on the strength of who she is.
A solid B plot with her, Lily and Aliza would be awesome tho but I guess my takeaway is to not get my hopes up lol.
Before people ask Asuka to be envolved to the main story they should ask for good writting for all characters instead. If Eliza is in the game they will just do a sleep joke.
They over here making a bootleg Sakura vs Karin storyline when Asuka could be great…
asuka and lili are like sakura and karin... i just want to know is how is asuka related to jun and jin
In my humble opinion, they should separate Asuka from Lili to bring back their original purpose way back in T5:
- Asuka: Regaining back her father's dojo and the honor of his father from Feng, and clearing the Kazama Family name from the wrong doings of his cousin, Jin Kazama.
- Lili: Regaining or building back her father's businesses and her father's respect unto her by showing what is her purpose on participating in the tournament, to begin with.
Both of them were cool in T5 and I really liked them a lot before. But onwards, they've become a joke. I accept the fact that we can't get that now, sad to say, since of Asuka's hilarious relationship with Lili continues to T8.
If they're going to that route, I think my suggestion is to make use of their individual inherited names to help the story going in general, as main participation into the story:
- Lili: She can use the remaining resources what her father has left, to get information about the Kazamas and Mishimas. Heck, she can help the main characters, just like what she did in T6 Scenario Campaign.
- Asuka: Since her family name is tainted, by the works of Jin, Asuka should have at least something to do with the main plot. Since Jun is here, at least show what her father has to say with the war happening, the history of their dojo, his gratitude to Lili for being a good friend to Asuka, and the history of the Kazamas.
- Asuka & Lili: I think the plot where Lili bought & decorated her dojo, is kinda interesting. Bamco may use that as a way showing Lili that she cared for Asuka, despite of their rivalry. Also, as a way to explore their complex relationship into some wholesome thing. That might be great.
But what can I do is to wait for the game to show up and see what Bamco did to them... If they do justice to their characters or not.
the thing that pisses me off is that side characters either do nothing at all or their stories are just "they didn't win so their situation got worse" (as if runner up prize money isn't a thing?), where they are only used for shitty joke endings
Lili gonna be lookin so fine in T8😍
Ok look, I don't mean to write a book, but I'm gonna write a book. Not as a rant tho, just my own theory
I agree that Asuka and Lili are kind of a package deal. You sort of can't have one without the other, but at the same time, it is very possible to separate them. If they can do it with Paul and Marshall, and still keep them as friends, I don't see why they can't with Asuka and Lili. Asuka is my main, and I would very much like to see her separated from Lili for a short time. I think they both will go on their own serious routes this time, and eventually meet back up considering that it's now canon that Lili owns Asuka's family dojo.
Regarding Asuka, I believe it could be Alisa seeking her out and not Eliza, and I'm going to explain why. The Eliza thing makes sense to an extent, but it doesn't make sense to me if she said she's going home to rest... her home isn't Japan, it's Monaco where Lili's estate is. Alisa could be seeking her out for her Kazama abilities that she displayed unknowingly in her debut game, Tekken 5. I believe Alisa has the power to scan people and sense their powers. (Correct me if I'm wrong) My thinking is that, if the game is going in the route of killing Kazuya, that Jun's power of light may not be strong enough to defeat the devil inside Kazuya, and they may need Asuka's ability COMBINED with Jun's abilities to fully defeat him with Jin and the others. I could be over reaching, but I feel as though this is plausible. It could also be that she could train with Jun to strengthen her angelic Kazama powers, or what have you, but I hope that this is where they take Asuka's story. For Lili to mention looking at Asuka's family tree (As stated in Asuka's T7 ending) and mention how she could "easily get roped up in the Mishima's mess,"..... it just doesn't make sense to me why they would have her mention that, and then do NOTHING with it, you know? It's just my thinking and my hoping for Asuka.
Regarding Lili, I think 1 of 2 things will happen. If the Eliza story is right, then I believe that she is going to try to use Eliza to get to Asuka and get some kind of "revenge" for defeating Lili in Tekken 5, and then it might almost go too far and they both have to fight Eliza off or something, not too sure on that... OR Lili travels back home with Eliza and we may find out more about the history with the De'Rocheforts and Eliza. Things could get dicey or they could become the new "female comedic relief" or something along those lines. I would hope not because I kind of would like for Lili to be somewhat more serious too.
Regarding if they DON'T separate Asuka and Lili, I have a sad feeling that if they don't separate the 2, it will stay as the comedic relief that it's always been. We might see Lili forcing Asuka to teach her the Kazama Martial Arts style or the Eliza story previously mentioned, if Eliza even comes back in the first place.
Again, this is just my thinking and hoping for the 2 of them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of what I said lore wise, but I believe I am mostly correct. I love both of these characters and I just want the best for them.
that would help both characters btw. lili was a very baddass character who wanted to ruin the mishima zaibatsu i believe , instead she is stuck with asuka . i still like her alot but tekken 5 lili was really cool .
A lili/Nina rivarly would be very interesting.
Man, I really want Eliza in T8 😢
And Lilly story was good in Tekken 5 dr but they made her story more stupid in previous games as specially Tekken 7 but cool character.
BUT THEY ARE SO CUTE TOGETHER, they can have an amazing story, asuka can still have an amazing storyline with lili in it. They searching for jun, asuka and lili trying to help xiaoyu or jin / alisa and lars, ETC.
.we don't need asuka to be solely tied into the mishima storyline because she'll just play the background of jin/kazuyas life like everyone else does, they just need to remove the comedy & add drama & intensity to her rivalry with lilli
i would want something like have multiple storylines. maybe a couple of new storylines for each chapter/update to help clear up character stories and reward progression.
And Namco can be good with writing, coz I think the inclusion of Jun rn is perfect for the story. They can apply that same prowess to the side characters 🔥
You're correct about every character outside of the Mishimas getting little to no progression. But why in the blue hell would you want Asuka paired up with such shitty characters?
about eliza i think that's true that she might be a threat which might mean the wake mokujin(remember that it wakes up if there's a huge threat just like jinpachi, azazel, ogre) and eliza might be the next new threat and maybe asuka and lili might team up together to put an end to eliza
I would love to see Mokujin back bro for that
I really hope Mokojin return especially after street fighter 5 manages to put a minic fighter as well soulcalibur 6 have inferno back.
But i don’t think eliza will be back especially because I don’t see her as canon. She’s debuted in a spin-off (tekken revolution) and been a pre-order bonus for tekken 7.
Dumb storyline because Eliza don't care about ruling the world for fuck sakes there still in high school there in there teens
@@BensyBens i think i can agree with you about eliza not being canon but somehow leroy and lidia were the same as well but now they're canon in 8 so anything is possible, anyways i respect your opinion
@@komisan5757 that’s for respecting my opinion.
And about leroy and lidia i think they canon to tekken 7 but not important enough for the main story (lidia maybe canon because she’s the prime minister of poland and the un in canon in the tekken lore and they show the un in the main story of tekken 7). Those stories are the base stories to their own characters in the series while they develop more in tekken 8.
Eliza created especially because of fan poll for tekken revolution, and the reason why she’s got a side story is because she’s was ready to be in the roster on the launch day but she’s added as a day 1 pre-order bonus dlc instead (something that got namco a lot of backlash later especially around soulcalibur 6) and her gameplay is basically a beta version of geese.
Characters with the same abilities not being able to cooexist is a big ass stretch: Sure Ant-Man 3 didn't make it work but there's lots of other things that movie got wrong. Similarly we've had 4 Mishimas per game and players even now hoping Heihachi comes back in some way. Story-wise we dunno shit about what Jun's role even is to even speculate that Asuka couldn't be relevant. Is she actually alive? Is she a ghost? Is she just part of a dream sequence? Does she take a host's body? These are all possibilities. And even if she's alive, how does that make Asuka redundant? We could learn more about the Kazama family through that. Asuka doesn't know how to use her latent bloodline's abilities, Jun could still act as a mentor figure in that regard (Perhaps as a boss for Asuka in Arcade Mode). Sky's the limit, and I'm not saying Lili shouldn't be involved there at all whatsoever, but I really disagree with the whole idea that characters with samey abilities can't cooexist idea.
Also, this is just IMO, I'm not a fan of Eliza in any of her outtings, esp not in relation to a pachislot story. They could just leave that whole development on the cutting room floor and I don't think anyone would miss it if they managed to step their game up on giving characters satisfying arcade modes and story mode inclusions.
To be Frank - 1:36 it’s just two game lores only most of the casts did nothing since Jin step in and after The Kazuya vs Mishima saga concluded. I’d still forgive Tekkens 4 and 5 because their storyline is a product of their time (5 being my favorite for it brings a lot of new fresh air) but 6 ruined the phasing for me in a lot of ways where Asuka gets her bad treatment started.
I disagree too! All we ever get is Mishima stories that shit gets boring ~Lili main
While we at it, let's also stop the amazing rivalry of Hwoarang and Jin, lol I disagree and I think the Rivalry between Lilli and Asuka is adorable, however it doesn't mean they both can't have serious storylines though.
Personally, I want Asuka to come out in Tekken 8 story.
If she's in the main story, I think she'll be going around with Claudio/Xiaoyu or with Lars/Lee/Alisa.
Probably true. Asuka should have more story with Jun Kazama now since she returned.
And for Lili, maybe she can be the new Anna for Nina. Lili fights and loses to Nina as a school girl and becomes jealous of Nina. Battle of the blondes.
And Steve meets Anna instead and finally knows each other as Aunt and Nephew.
Moon, this feud between Asuka and Lili is ever ending.
I mean even is you have asuka a story you have to remember she is 17 years old and lili is 16. So If you paired them up closest you would get is xioxyu...
I think maybe Asuka's story is like this temporarily. You never know, they could be saving Asuka's special abilities for a future Tekken game where she plays a much bigger role. Seems like her T5 ending was probably a way to give players a heads up bout what she can do so it won't be such a shock to people later on.
Like lets just say Jin & Xiao has a son together later on & he has the devil gene too. Then he goes on some quest to find his aunt Asuka as its rumored that she has the Kazama gift of suppressing the devil gene or whatever.
Just a quick, random theory. Sorry if it doesn't make much sense.
I could see Asuka taking care of Jin and Xiao's child should something happen to the two of them, like how Jun instructed Jin to live with Heihachi.
@@wingadept8793 omg yesss! I'd love to see that!
Huh... Gotta say. The though that maybe Lili has the Vampire Gene? 😂 Not bad. So it's kinda like Jinpachi asking for Wang's help to defeat the vampire Gene.
Also, I think they tried a lot of plots for Asuka but I think all of them were sub par. They tried grouping her, Lili and xiaoyu cyz they were all highschool students. And I think they even fault this giant robot in a different game too. I don't know the name tho. 😅 And then they tried to go down the "gang mediator" route where Asuka keeps the gangs from fighting each other and keeping the peace.
I think another way to look at it was that Asuka started with a good plot. She wanted to avenge her father from an unknown attacker. And somewhere along the way she meets this rich girl and devil guy. She defeats the rich girl easily. She then meets the devil guy knocked out and she unknowingly heals him of (or suppresses) the devil gene. There wasn't much explanation at the time so it was a mystery and everyone was intrigued about her.
That's a good plot! But then it got retconed, she didn't achieve her goals, and then the plot didn't mention her Kasama powers ever again. 😂
She had the potential of having good plot. But then it was wasted. And not only that, a new guy comes in and it turns out that he was actually a relative of the Mishimas. And they made HIM the plot relevant one. Asuka came first and Mr-badhair-anime-personafied-weeabu (I'm talking about Lars, btw. 😂) Became the plot relevant one?! Thats not fair!
And I think that's the source of all of these complaints.
As I said in another video, they need to do something fresh with the character’s stories. It’s getting tiresome seeing the same tired plots.
fr look at Law and Paul's T8 bios its a joke its not just an Asuka and Lili thing its pretty much every character that isnt a Mishima. heck Bryan is still out there blowing up helicopters .
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 you actually think Bryan cares about the mishimas at all? Dude has been a damn menace since tekken 3 for the hell of it just because he can lol
@@simonjeremy1776 i dont think you understand my point idc if Bryan is involved with Mishimas or not, my point was that Bryan just like everyone his story isn't going anywhere.
@@simonjeremy1776the way the ditched bryan t4 ending still baffles me
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 Because not everybody wants to rule the Mishima zabatu bro and take over for example akuma made it but was a character that train himself inside his abandoned dojo just like Feng wei it focus on the Mishimas because there actually effecting everyone lives around them
as someone who plays lili, i disagree with all three of your points. that said, that thumbnail of lili and asuka…hahaha iykyk.
I'm confused as to why people are including Unknown in Tekken8 theories . She was NEVER canon. Yeah Tk8 Jun has some recycled Unknown TTT2 animations, but that's it.
No idea, this guy also talks about there being 3 character using kazama style but jin uses traditional karate with devil stuff so that point didn't make sense...
Asuka can be part of Mishima/Kazama storyline and Lili can be part of Asuka storyline , they came too far to separated these two right now , just reduced Lili role in Asuka life a little at least in the main game for more healthy story overall.
Edit : Don't change Lili personality tho some characters doesn't need character growth because it's will definitely hurt their popularity more than helping them , people like Lili because how mean and elegant she is.
I think people are mad cause Asuka has been shown to have the biggest opportunity of story out of anyone else, she had Feng as a antagonist, but that story was dropped in favor of Lili. I get that people like the healing aspect of her, but I like that she was after Feng, but they completely dropped that plot. bring that back instead of the Jin stuff, it suits her existing character so well.
Asuka story was better with feng then Asuka and Lili story
It doesn't matter both of their stories are ruined
I think eliza might possess the devil gene because she’s not a normal vampire
And y’all forget that lili is tied to Eliza 🤷🏻♀️ and that could have a suppppper strong basis for lili 🤷🏻♀️ and at that point powers over auska in my opinion auska always been an immature like school kid to me while lili is this graceful hot headed mean girl but really she puts up that “mean girl act” because of what happened to her when she got kidnapped it changed her
Lili is just that girl she just steals the spotlight 😂❤
As someone who has always been an Asuka main, I kinda prefer her having that niche characterization of being goofy rivals with Lili, with both of them them being mostly unrelated to the main story, rather than having her play what would most likely be a very minor role.
If anything, what I *would* like is for them to also expand of Asuka's original character drive of pursuing Feng to get revenge with Lei's help (meybe Lili too, who knows).
Yeah. That was the original essence of her character. But they just swept it all under the rug. I also hope that maybe she can learn a thing or two from Leroy that will help her defeat Feng Wei
Honestly half of these storylines probably won't even continue in Tekken 8. Also more then half of the new characters most likely won't even be in Tekken 8. I only think Lidia and Leroy are coming back from the new cast, just my opinion
Bro u hit 10k wow
The past storylines was a Kazama Civil war. Now, it's Kazama vs Hachijou, she has to be Integrated.
Lili is a terrible character and nothing more than a bland ripoff of Karin. Nor is Eliza interesting. While Asuka doesn't need to be involved in the Mishima storyline, she could have at least have a rivalry and story with Feng. Focus on her being defeated by him and then go through a bit of a intense training arc where she becomes strong enough to challenge him again. Potentially defeating him. I believe most people hate the lili x Asuka story ever since it was introduced in Dark Resurrection. Its simply boring.
IF Lili ruined Asuka, the reverse also is true. Lili was destined to avenge her father, she even fought Jin at some point in T5, all that tossed away when the girls met
I like the Eliza side story
I think if they could go more crazy with it people wouldn't be as upset
Tekken 7 not having it in the game is unfortunate
Considering how Namco's been trying to do a lot for Tekken 8, I think it'd be a bit shortsighted for them (and also the audience, frankly) to separate Asuka from Lili just to improve her story, as if the two are mutually exclusive against each other. I want to trust Namco's writers to actually give Asuka more character development and main plot involvement this time w/o having to sacrifice her pairing with Lili, esp. when her outfit (and to an extent, some of her new moves) seems to have a bit of Lili-esque elements on them, not to mention in the Tekken 7 ending for Lili, she seems to take an interest in learning the Kazama style of martial arts so given her nosy antics toward Asuka, she could also get involved in the Mishima feud, even if it's just a minor role.
I disagree with youe opinion and i gonna write my opinion with 3 parts.
1. No one story really progresses since tekken 6, and i blame because there wasn’t a real time jump between games. Tekken 4 to Tekken 7 is one year and Tekken 8 gonna be taking place one year after tekken 4. Also tekken 7 have very low budget and this is why everyone was rush with the stories.
2. No there is no potential, it’s just a sakura-karin rivalry rip-off just with tekken skin. Lili ain’t serious and act like a snub rich girl while asuka the osaka girl. It’s not similar to the marduck-king rivalry or bryan-yoshimitsu rivalry that’s had conclusions this one have no progress and just boring. Also i don’t see eliza as canon she was a pre-order bonus in tekken 7 and debuted on tekken revolution (a f2p strip down tag 2) I can’t see her canon in the story.
3. I want asuka in the main mishima-kazama story but i agree she does not need to have a major screen time, she’s a kazama so she at least need to be around xiaoyu, hwoarang, alisa or even lee at least the beginning the feud between jin and kazuya doesn’t need her at least right now we already got lars and jun in it. It’s similar with leo another character that have a huge potential to be more important to the story of nina and steve but he’s stuck to be a goofy un-gender character that’s scared from yoshimitsu.
Still rather see lili going into a rivalry with josie or lucky chloe.
Josie can work because that’s can make her angry and tough than a crybaby from tekken 7.
Lucky Chloe can be funny because lili already a joke character and turning lili into a background dancer or chloe into lili clown it’s can be work better.
While I agree that character stories not progressing is the problem with the majority of Tekken characters not connected to Mishima drama, and not just Asuka and Lili, I disagree that it maes criticism of how they were handling Asuka's character unwarranted. People want her to be more involved with Jin, cause that's what developers set up in the first place since her introduction in Tekken 5, with having the same ability as Jun to suspend Devil Gene. Or not just Mishimas, but also her rivalry with Fang Which is why Asuka being stuck with Lili feels frustrating because suspend the more interesting unresolved plot points writers THEMSELVES set up. And to be blunt, I don't see Eliza's plot being more interesting story to take, cause it's hard to even speculate if that plot point will go anywhere with the little info we got or if it will just abound as well. But, I think most people can agree Tekken's plot was always a big mess, and the stance "no one cares about the story" will always be funny to me in regards to Tekken, cause creators admited they don't care that much, but at the same time use said story to market their games.
Because story is the only thing they can depend on now as "single player content".
The other features Tekken once had-Tekken Force, Customization, Tekken Bowl- were removed, downgraded, or on a paywall, respectively.
Without that, Tekken will only be played for so long on a casual standpoint, especially when Street Fighter 6, which includes an open world feature with customizable characters, is right around the corner. Plus NRS has plans on developing another Mortal Kombat.
too late they're already married off to each other and their big fat wedding is coming this november
That's an interesting take on Eliza. Unfortunately, her nature of debuting in a spin off game (Tekken Revolution) and then locked off via on-disc DLC on first day in Tekken 7 rubbed people the wrong way. Not to mention being female, having outlandish power and using one quirk mostly found in anime cliches (a sleepyhead waifu) also adds fuel to the fire. I don't necessarily hate these things or think that adding these things ruin a character instantly. But considering the kind of fans we have that held up such standards as "Characters should do this and this and this to be respected or else we treat them like blight and complain to hell and back as if we're the righteous ones armed with divine knowledge, the developers are just idiots pandering to the lowest common denominator trash."... Yeah, the odds are going to be stacked against Eliza and they will ignore her potential in favor of crying out that their standards have been violated, we must not support or invest on this character...
... Can you believe these guys? I think the same with the whole Asuka-Lili rivalry thing. I was never thinking that Asuka should handle the 'vs Kazuya' thing in Kazama, Jun got that covered. But... people still demanded Asuka be the one, and won't accept everything else (and Asuka's popularity number did eclipse Jun. What else other than the Kazama power, because she's a tomboy character? Tomboy character is the rage these days.)
Besides, if the Mishima saga ends in this game (with most likely Kazuya dying) and Tekken 8 proves to be popular to warrant another series, they need another arc to continue the story. The potential with Eliza seems to be able to blossom that way, but who knows what Harada is thinking. This can be proven wrong.
Great analysis, by the way. I am SO glad that you don't follow the common mindset of "Asuka-Lili is bad, bring Asuka to the Mishima blood feud!" That being said, I have a potential idea for you, involving another pair of character often lambasted: Paul Phoenix and Marshall Law. The guys who 'went from respected badasses to utter jokes since Tekken 5'. If you can give a similar analysis like this, that'd be great, but up to you.
I wasn't expecting to agree but you make a lot of good points, nice video
The rivalry is loved by many people we need them together in some way.
It's not that I hate the idea of those 2 competing it's just annoying that nothing goes anywhere with it, I thought asuka would have a whole ordeal with feng considering her dad is hospitalized because of him, and it's good way to get stronger for when she intends to beat the crap out of him for besmirching the Kazama name. I find lili annoying but it's not something that can't be worked with, I like differing stories, it makes the world feel like a world and if Kazama's do have some kind of power against evil beings it'd be nice for her to use some of that for the weird things in this world. I just don't want their rivalry be the entire story and that's it, that's boring. If they have to be involved with each other, spice it up with a common enemy or goal for them to work towards. I don't mind them being involved with Eliza, but just do something else. Having their story be summarized as "These 2 want to fight each other" and doesn't really delve into anything else just limits both of their potentials.
Claudio&Xiaoyu vs Eliza??
Never saw it. I thought that they only fought against Devil Jin.