Neville when my late FIL was working on the Lancaster Here in NZ I remember him telling me that they were supplied with all of her manuals and blue prints. There was only one problem in that they were all in French, She like Just Jane spent most of her operational life in the French Airforce and was retired in 1964 and gifted to NZ as an operational aircraft. My thought is that the aircraft still exists at MOTAT in Auckland, it is quite possible that they still have those records which could be of help to your team. I suggest that a contact could be quite helpful. Could you pass that on to the team. BTW Peter would have had a very good idea of what he was looking at as he engineered Lancaster's over Germany.
Would be awesome if they could use the east/west runway too, since half of that is still there by the looks of the sattellite images. Could actually turn it back into a functional airfield with 2 runways!!!
@@nevillewheeldon1693 Yeah would be sweet, but land purchasing etc.... none of its cheap and aircraft are expensive to run. Would be a cool long term project though, turn it into a fully operation "museum" airfield, and invite other flying warbirds to base there. Be a nice alternative to them all being based at Duxford. Would need a massive financial input though... We can only dream :)
G'day Nev, Have you ever thought of touching base with the Australian War Memorial (AWM) in Canberra, Australia, the home of 'G' for GEORGE Avro Lancaster, that served with the RAAF 460 Squadron, that flew over 90 missions over Europe. Your passion and dedication in showing the restoration of 'Just Jane', would be absolutely enjoyed and of interested, like my self, who have a family member who served during WWII. The AWM has over 15K of subscribes, and I would be surprised, if none of them would be interested in your brilliant channel and the presentations of your videos. It is just an idea to help support your channel and extending some more support here from Australia, to help NX611 fly again even sooner. My sincere and humble thanks to you, for all your videos Neville. - BRAVO ZULU!
This might sound like a stupid question but here it goes. Looking at the runway layout it runs parallel to one of the wartime era concrete runways. My question is: Why don't they just restore the existing runways?
This makes sense that when the Canadian one was here a few years ago never landed with our one?what a photo shoot that would of been all 3 facing each other. Good vid nev
As someone lucky enough to live where I get regular overflights of a Lanc (Vera). I cannot wait to see another in the air. Keep up the great work. Love and respect from Canada!
Hi Owen "Just Jane" LN611 is the one being restored to airworthy, KB976 rear fuselage will be restored to a safe standard fitted to "Just Jane" NX611,.,"Just Jane" will then be able to give taxi rides earning revenue. They will then restore "Just Jane" rear fuselage to airworthy condition re fit to the Lancaster. and return KB976 fuselage back to Doncaster (Yorkshire Air Museum). The idea is to keep "Just Jane" giving Taxi rides as long as possible to earn revenue to pay for the restoration. The same goes for the French Wing from Lancaster NX644 check this link www.lincsaviation.co.uk/news/lancaster-nx611-return-to-flight/lancaster-restoration-news--wings-fund.htm
Another good visit Neville. It really great that John and the others are happy to stop and talk to you and take the time to explain to all of us viewers what they are doing, and the reason for the decisions that they have to make to enable them to do this precise work. Please thank them from all of us viewers!
The centre of the 17 foot radius can be determined by taking the upper and lower tangent point and then calculating the angular displacement as the chord length is known. This will give the centre position of the circle.
Great video. Just a thought. If you have the top and bottom radii of the former, and the location of these, wouldn't the 17 feet radius simply be tangential? This would fix the location and lengths of the sides. Probably need Autocad or something similar.
Hi Paul, this is the distance what required for safety 5500 feet of runway set down by CAA as Lancaster NX611 will be a civilian aircraft. BBMF Lancaster will come under MAA (Military Aviation Authority), they will most likely be the same distance.
So neat to see the description of the future runway. Reminds me of when I was a child, with my MatchBox cars, making roads in the dirt - with my imagination I went many places. As the opening scene of 12 O'Clock High, a veteran is standing at a "present day" field - and the camera focuses on the grass in the wind, and the color changes, and the camera moves back up and the man is younger, and the bombers are on the field. Looking at your map, I "see" Just Jane taxiing, doing the runup, and then the takeoff roll, and airborne. And of course, John is always a joy, sharing those million details that make the difference between success and failure in life -- similar to making proper southern biscuits (not your English cookies), or making smooth drywall installation in home construction. Wonderful.
Well hopefully one day in the not too distant future we will see Just Jane rolling down the strip and once again seeing the ground fall away from her wheels....
Nev loved the information in the video, l always wondered about the run way. When l was last at the centre, it was mentioned that they might have to purchase the land across the road . Glad it had been sorted and makes more sence..
Great update Nev. id looked up the site on google earth and thought that grass strip they taxi on is nowhere near long enough. I wondered if they would reopen that concrete runway visible to the north east. I would think taking off on grass requires a longer run as just like peddling a bike on grass takes more effort than on a hard surface. I expect on the big day that they strip back all superfluous weight to a minimum. What a day that will be!
In days of yore we used to fly in to East Kirkby and land on the runway extension (outside the peri track) of 08/26, which was laid down in USAAF days and still had a good surface. We would be collected by the museum in their classic crew bus. Then the people who ran the extension as a motorcycle training area got a bit uppity, and our only option was to land on the concrete apron, which wasn't big enough for a Cessna 172 with 4 on board. The grass runway made it a feasible destination again.
02/20 was originally the longest hard runway, at 6000 ft, so not much more than it newer version. 08/26 and 13/31 were each 4200 ft. Lancs were built to cope with grass runways - look at those lovely fat tyres. The tree planting to the west of the proposed runway may help or hinder operations. They provide some shelter from the prevailing wind, but may increase turbulence which could be a big problem just after takeoff. Lancasters coped with much worse in their service lives.
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Neville when my late FIL was working on the Lancaster Here in NZ I remember him telling me that they were supplied with all of her manuals and blue prints. There was only one problem in that they were all in French, She like Just Jane spent most of her operational life in the French Airforce and was retired in 1964 and gifted to NZ as an operational aircraft. My thought is that the aircraft still exists at MOTAT in Auckland, it is quite possible that they still have those records which could be of help to your team. I suggest that a contact could be quite helpful. Could you pass that on to the team. BTW Peter would have had a very good idea of what he was looking at as he engineered Lancaster's over Germany.
And I'd be happy to help with the translation.
Hi horsebee, I will pass on the information, the management have contacts all round world. Thank you.
Would be awesome if they could use the east/west runway too, since half of that is still there by the looks of the sattellite images. Could actually turn it back into a functional airfield with 2 runways!!!
I think that will be for the future roadsweeper. I am only a supporter of Just Jane nothing to do with management. But it sounds a good idea.
@@nevillewheeldon1693 Yeah would be sweet, but land purchasing etc.... none of its cheap and aircraft are expensive to run. Would be a cool long term project though, turn it into a fully operation "museum" airfield, and invite other flying warbirds to base there. Be a nice alternative to them all being based at Duxford.
Would need a massive financial input though... We can only dream :)
@@roadsweeper1 Keep dreaming mate may come true.
G'day Nev,
Have you ever thought of touching base with the Australian War Memorial (AWM) in Canberra, Australia, the home of 'G' for GEORGE Avro Lancaster, that served with the RAAF 460 Squadron, that flew over 90 missions over Europe. Your passion and dedication in showing the restoration of 'Just Jane', would be absolutely enjoyed and of interested, like my self, who have a family member who served during WWII. The AWM has over 15K of subscribes, and I would be surprised, if none of them would be interested in your brilliant channel and the presentations of your videos. It is just an idea to help support your channel and extending some more support here from Australia, to help NX611 fly again even sooner.
My sincere and humble thanks to you, for all your videos Neville. - BRAVO ZULU!
Hi Warren ,thank you for your comments. I never have pushed the channel I will bear it in mind.
Thanks Nev ,Very informative video. Enjoy all your videos keep up the good work.Regards Tony.👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Thanks Tony.
Thanks Neville. Good stuff as always. Knowledgeable guys you have there. I think Just Jane and the spare parts are in good hands.👍🇨🇦
Cheers Michael.
This might sound like a stupid question but here it goes. Looking at the runway layout it runs parallel to one of the wartime era concrete runways. My question is: Why don't they just restore the existing runways?
The weakness of square-cut corners was well-learned with the Comet Mk.1.
Are these blue prints and records being added to for future reference? And for the benefit of other restoration projects?
This makes sense that when the Canadian one was here a few years ago never landed with our one?what a photo shoot that would of been all 3 facing each other.
Good vid nev
Fantastic news not only are you restoring to lancasters you are also restoring a World War 2 Runway
As someone lucky enough to live where I get regular overflights of a Lanc (Vera). I cannot wait to see another in the air. Keep up the great work. Love and respect from Canada!
Cheers Kevin.
Thank you Nevill a very enjoyable update with John. Look forward to your next update in due course.
Cheers John.
Neville the hole in the floor would be for the trimetrigon camera installation when 976 was fitted out as arctic reconaissence patrol
Thanks for that Peter.
I’m confused. Is KB976 I different airframe? ( built in Canada at Milton )
Hi Owen "Just Jane" LN611 is the one being restored to airworthy, KB976 rear fuselage will be restored to a safe standard fitted to "Just Jane" NX611,.,"Just Jane" will then be able to give taxi rides earning revenue. They will then restore "Just Jane" rear fuselage to airworthy condition re fit to the Lancaster. and return KB976 fuselage back to Doncaster (Yorkshire Air Museum). The idea is to keep "Just Jane" giving Taxi rides as long as possible to earn revenue to pay for the restoration. The same goes for the French Wing from Lancaster NX644 check this link www.lincsaviation.co.uk/news/lancaster-nx611-return-to-flight/lancaster-restoration-news--wings-fund.htm
Great Nev, Love the background snippets allied to the main effort.
Cheers scroggins100
Another good visit Neville. It really great that John and the others are happy to stop and talk to you and take the time to explain to all of us viewers what they are doing, and the reason for the decisions that they have to make to enable them to do this precise work. Please thank them from all of us viewers!
Thank you Samrondian.
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Now that makes sense, thanks for the information, keep the videos coming
Cheers Mark.
The centre of the 17 foot radius can be determined by taking the upper and lower tangent point and then calculating the angular displacement as the chord length is known. This will give the centre position of the circle.
Another great video. I’d be interested in watching the typhoon video you spoke of. Can you put a link on the site.
It's probably one in this series
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Same here.
Hi Paul click on the link should take you to one of the episodes ua-cam.com/video/oHxriALChFA/v-deo.html
Great video. Just a thought. If you have the top and bottom radii of the former, and the location of these, wouldn't the 17 feet radius simply be tangential? This would fix the location and lengths of the sides. Probably need Autocad or something similar.
Hi raytrevor1, I'm sure John and Bob airframe engineers will sort it out. Thanks anyway.
Nice one Neville hope you're keeping well. Very informative John keep up the good work, Lorna 👌
Thanks Lorna.
I am surprised that they have not digitised the drawings for the Lanc so there available in dwg cad format. If they do happy to help out.
Not sure on that one Robert.
don't the BBMF know how long a lanc needs to take off with no bombs, ammo and part fuel load
Hi Paul, this is the distance what required for safety 5500 feet of runway set down by CAA as Lancaster NX611 will be a civilian aircraft. BBMF Lancaster will come under MAA (Military Aviation Authority), they will most likely be the same distance.
Thanks for another great video, always good to hear from the engineers doing the restoration, keep up the great interviews.
Will do Martin.
Thanks Neville and John for the content in the video, very interesting.
Cheers Michael.
So neat to see the description of the future runway. Reminds me of when I was a child, with my MatchBox cars, making roads in the dirt - with my imagination I went many places. As the opening scene of 12 O'Clock High, a veteran is standing at a "present day" field - and the camera focuses on the grass in the wind, and the color changes, and the camera moves back up and the man is younger, and the bombers are on the field. Looking at your map, I "see" Just Jane taxiing, doing the runup, and then the takeoff roll, and airborne. And of course, John is always a joy, sharing those million details that make the difference between success and failure in life -- similar to making proper southern biscuits (not your English cookies), or making smooth drywall installation in home construction. Wonderful.
Well hopefully one day in the not too distant future we will see Just Jane rolling down the strip and once again seeing the ground fall away from her wheels....
Thanks HH, always a good read.
Another excellent video. Thanks Neville.
Cheers Bill.
Another excellent video bro. Safe travels
Hi Ken, we been set free, but still very wary.
Nev loved the information in the video, l always wondered about the run way. When l was last at the centre, it was mentioned that they might have to purchase the land across the road . Glad it had been sorted and makes more sence..
Hi Allan ,not heard that one.
@@nevillewheeldon1693 hi Nev tat was about 8 years ago, apparently that area was owned by someone else. Huge hardstanding area post war..
Great update Nev. id looked up the site on google earth and thought that grass strip they taxi on is nowhere near long enough. I wondered if they would reopen that concrete runway visible to the north east. I would think taking off on grass requires a longer run as just like peddling a bike on grass takes more effort than on a hard surface. I expect on the big day that they strip back all superfluous weight to a minimum. What a day that will be!
In days of yore we used to fly in to East Kirkby and land on the runway extension (outside the peri track) of 08/26, which was laid down in USAAF days and still had a good surface. We would be collected by the museum in their classic crew bus. Then the people who ran the extension as a motorcycle training area got a bit uppity, and our only option was to land on the concrete apron, which wasn't big enough for a Cessna 172 with 4 on board. The grass runway made it a feasible destination again.
Hi Mark I don't believe that strip belongs to the Centre, also a public road runs past dividing the two pieces of land.
@@nevillewheeldon1693 understand, the view from google earth only gives so much detail away!
Thanks, Nev.
Cheers Malcolm
Fascinating newsagent about the runway, Neville.that will make the centre complete!
It will Paul.
02/20 was originally the longest hard runway, at 6000 ft, so not much more than it newer version. 08/26 and 13/31 were each 4200 ft. Lancs were built to cope with grass runways - look at those lovely fat tyres.
The tree planting to the west of the proposed runway may help or hinder operations. They provide some shelter from the prevailing wind, but may increase turbulence which could be a big problem just after takeoff. Lancasters coped with much worse in their service lives.
In service, the lanc was also a disposable item..
Hi DSV , I'm sure they will take that into consideration.