Independent Mids Review!!!!! :D
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- I was lucky enough to get a set six weeks early and put a hurtin on em!
Here is my opinion of the 139 "Mindy's"
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Skate the best...
@@stef84 fuck the rest!!
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I honestly don't think there's a better skate youtuber out there. Actual well done reviews perfectly combined with great skateboarding. Ben, you are the man!
Wow, thanks!
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@@ronniecreager2585 yes
@@bendegros he's being real, you're by farrrrr the best out there doing what you're doing! Also you rippp
I agree. Love the lack of click bait titles and straight forward reviews. Cause of your channel I started messing around with different set up configurations and having so much fun with it.
that is kind of a genius marketing move by putting out a tiago commercial for them. "See? they're not that heavy!"
as someone who studied metallurgy, your right about the kin-pin. the nut is mild steel so more soft and the kingpin is high carbon steel so more hard. so yes the kingpin will slip faster when against other metals but will be like an anchor against Concrete. where the nut will be softer and feel more like wax against Concrete but could be more sticky when sliding against other metals.
They aren't teaching you guys English in that program huh?
Intelligent people can still be dyslexic.
"It's all about clearance, it's not about the shape of your kingpin" - Ben Degros
☝🏻😃I'm 39 and new to skateboarding and i am in that "wanna now every detail about all the differences of how to setup a Board" phase. So i really appreciate your Videos and the way you share your knowledge. Thank you ✌🏻🙂
Happy to help!
@@bendegros I have no doubt about that. ✌🏻
Upgrading my bushing was a huge revelation for me. I really thought bushings didn't effect my set up and that it was a gimmick, until I started tryin different set up. And changing to bones yellows. You should try it.
@@_SirCharge will check them out. Thx for the advice👍🏻
The reason I originally gave you a sub Ben, quality, technical reviews....excellent 👍
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Yeah he gets so technical on stuff I didn’t even know about love it
All this wet weather need this vid to keep me going! Thanks as Always Ben :)
My pleasure!
I don’t need them
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I neeeeeeedddd theemmmmmmmmm
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Quite literally, as soon as I saw this video on my notifications, I had to go buy a set (159's).
@@artdude8278 lol I got a set of 149s
That footage was soo good. Having someone film you that way really does your skating justice.
It's crazy how a few mm on trucks and wheels can feel so different
Yeah so true. I keep switching different board sizes, wheels and trucks a bunch lately. And it's pretty much hurting my learning to skate. It's crazy how much it matters to go from 8.0" board to 8.25" and switch from Venture or Tensor to Thunder 148. At the same time, I kind of like to experiment and try what works best anyway. But I do think I should stick with a 8.25" for a bit, to really learn to skate better.
@@PHeMoX i feel that, just sit on whatever feels comfortable to you. It took me a while when i went from a 8.0 to an 8.5.
Right I feel like I’m floating when I try other friends board with bigger wheels
@@PHeMoX I only started skating again back in the spring after years of not skating. I've been working my way up the board sizes on Mini Logo decks with Independent trucks. Started out with an 8" deck, then, 8.25", and now I got a 8.5" but, haven't yet tried it. I used to skate back in the 80s when decks were more like 10". I like the 8.25" better than the 8". I'll see how I like the 8.5". That's probably where I will stop. I like the Mini Logo decks. Once I find the sweet spot, I want to standardize on that. I'm thinking maybe 8.5" will be it. Before I got the 8" deck, I had an Element deck from years ago that was a 7.75". I don't see what the point of small decks like that are. I'm glad there is a trend of board sizes getting bigger again. I'm old though and hence am not that into or worried about doing a lot of flip tricks. As long as the bigger deck doesn't suck at staight up ollies, I'd rather have the bigger one. I used to be able to clear 5 boards interlocked on a 10" board back in the day. So, I guess it should work. If my ollies suck now, it won't be because of the board. It will be because my borderline obese ass is out of shape.
Meh, i was kickflipping 9.5 to 10 inch decks with big wheels up to 67mm in 1988, easy peasy.
I always can rely on your product reviews because you thoroughly test products with an unbiased opinion instead of some people who get paid to say good things about them, you don't hold back about your dislikes which is exactly what I like to hear. Your videos have helped me a lot when deciding what new products I want to try. Thanks a lot Ben, keep at it!!!
Thank you!
I highly recommend them. They are one of my favorite trucks I have ever skated.
Remodeling our tile shower right now and living vicariously through you. Wish I was skating right now!
:)
That’s the thing about a lot of stuff in this world...nothing better than the other. It’s all preference. Some things offer something you may enjoy and the other may also do it as well. Always looking forward to your reviews, Ben!
Just want to say thank you for your UA-cam videos and just to let you know I've found my board that fits me. I don't do tricks but i cruse just about every day. 7 miles a day. Your beader then you thinking. I think you need more credit then your getting. Your extreamly informational and an awesome skater in my eyes.Your my go to guy when i buy stuff. If I need something or want i watch your videos so i understand what I'm buying and what is expected out of my purchases. Keep up the good work! I'm not getting any younger.
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Leave it to indy to come up with a inverted kingpin that has less clearance than a regular one XD
dont know why they didnt use the KRUX one..
It's not that the kingpin has less clearance. It's just the lower hanger.
I have seen photos of them swapped with a krux pin it looks glorious
@@ronniecreager2585 I put the krux kingpin on my thunder 148s and its the best thing ever.
I'm probably going to get the 159 mids and put the Kreeper kingpin on them. It's the lowest kingpin I've ever used and I have two brand new sets just chillin in my random parts. It looks like there's almost an inch of grind clearance on my 169s with those on them.
@@sidwellsk8er Wouldn't wheel bite be worse on trucks that wide with mids?
i landed 4 nollie heels yesterday 😸
such a satisfying trick even on a 8.5
@@amadousy7543 yeah i skate an 8.5, the deck in setting up next is an 8.75 haha
Damn
@@sorenhong7707 yeah
Independent said in their review video that they use the same amount of material in the mid's hangers and the highs.
The extra weight actually comes from a steel kingpin mount in the base plate.
That being said, you shouldn't notice too much extra weight because it is being kept close to your feet.
Yea you are Accurate about why it's heavier 👍
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So they're heavier AND they have worse kingpin clearance? That's honestly pretty surprising. I'd have assumed they'd have much better clearance
They were made to be durable and longer lasting and yeah you need some wax on your truck and kingpin
The only review I trust ...all hail ben 🙌🏻
Btw. You could put the titanium hanger on it so you get more kingpin clearance plus a lighter truck
yes but they won't be mids anymore
Mr. Honest Review. He deserves way more Followers. ✌🏻🙂
@@setothecat he deserves to be on 9 club...like 3 hours
@@robolinoschmidt8676 dude what a great idea
@@ronniecreager2585 thank you🤙🏻
Not sure why Independent Trucks is calling the mid trucks “new” when they are actually stage 9 & 10 Indy’s (the least favorite Indy stage of all) with a inverted kingpin. It seems with so many Indy riders switching to Ace Trucks that Indy would go back to the stage 3 (the most favored stage Indy) instead of stage 9 & 10 the least favorite? BTW you rip and good review Ben!
Make the switch to ace brotha 🙏🏽 bang for your buck
@@yogihendrix2677 Ace are so heavy
I still have a pair of Made in USA Stage Xs with the conical Indy medium bushings and I quite enjoy the turn on em actually.
The modern indy trucks last longer. That's their hold in the market and they will never lose those customers
@@ashton35 made in China
I usually cruise for a hour or so to get the bushings broke in and then I tighten to my liking. I feel if you crank down the tightness, the bushings crack prematurely (for those who want trucks to last).
Wait, a perfect ledge next to outdoor basketball courts AND sand volleyball courts!? I need to move to your utopian town.
This might be my goldy locks truck. I love thunders a lot but I hate tailsliding them because the baseplate doesn’t stick out far enough.
it's very strange for me to watch you skate. Maybe because I came from your carpentry channel? Who knows, either way I like your style, you're graceful with a lot of your tricks.
Ben, you’re great. I’m a beginner from Montreal and if you ever feel like taking a skate trip across Canada I’ll show you the best spots in town for poutine! In the meantime thanks for your helpful videos. Everytime I’m going for a new trick or a new setup you’re my go-to! All about that skateboard spirit. Merci beaucoup!
your go-to man when it comes to skate hardware reviews for suuuuure
When I started skating in the late 80s I guess, we used to always invert the kingpins ourselves. Back in those days the kingpins were just like a normal bolt with a hex-shaped head which was the bit that locked into the baseplate. Seemed to work great, but the bottom of the bolt did extend past the bottom of the baseplate and would gouge into the board somewhat, and probably caused my boards to crack because they used to crack a lot.
I just switched to Indy standards from Thunder standards a few weeks ago. I’m loving the hanger clearance. Not switching to a new truck, Ben.
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That's some mad street footage right here. Great review!
Thanks :)
I want Ben to skate a totally not tech set up just to hear him complain about it for 15 mins. 10 inch 80s board, Indy 215s, oj super juice and deck rails would have him crying 😂
Yeah we want to see the good old ben rip an eric winkowski kind of setup ahahah
Since I got my eric winkowski board everything under 9 inches feels like a tiny stick lol took a month to really get into this board but now I love it.
He would just skate it and say "don't be a baby"...but no seriously, he would hate it and for that reason it would never happen.
I want to do some 90s Frankie Hill with a lot of grabs on a big deck. Kind of lame that grabs like that are considered lame now.
Damn guys, we should firm a petition or something. C'mon ben, get rad with the old school!
When's the Ben Degros street part coming?
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Check out some of his brothers from years ago. Kid ripped hard.
@@idmhead0160 What's his brother's name?
@@bryanflo4500 ted degros
Fall of '97
@@bryanflo4500 Ted Degros
Ben, you're a genius. I appreciate the review so much.
Some beautiful clips here Ben! Loved the review dude keep it up :)
Thanks!
got em ,dont like them on 8,00" only on 8,125" and 8,357" with 14,25 wheelbase
the stock bushings suck, broke in the first day, changed them out for our beloved bones medium, got better but the annyoing clicking sound was born ^^
Love my Venture highs forever
@Christopher Ng bushings or trucks?
I´m riding the Venture black shadow 2 High 5,00" on 8" boards, and the Mindies in 139 stage 11 on all wheelbases above 14,00", seems to work better than perfect fitting truck to board width for me.
@Christopher Ng i cant skate soft trucks, im on the medium to hard side both hardcore hard and hardcore medium make the clicking sound
@Tendo Pain not for me cause I like them like others do their Thunders, it will probably be the heigth and bushing combo I need to have.
Dude! Ben! You destroyed those trucks! Crook grooves on both sides that deep in what, a month? You are truly a crookie monster. Much love.
Just got back into skateboarding and found your channel. Really like the way you do your videos.
Who else wants to see Chad Caruso and Ben skate together?
Nice vid man. can you do one on the top 5 best or worst decks?
Whatever that dude 360 flipping over the trashcan is riding is it! The coping smith you do on indy's is insane and also the nollie inward heel. Damn. You definitely do better on transition on indy's than anything else for sure
The design is also different , they’ve sharpened some edges , lowered the axle , dug the bottom of the bushing housing.. they wobble as hell with og bushing if you bomb hills and there’s no way to tight them enough, I suggest mid hard bushings
I used to skate there at Hastings park every night, I miss Vancouver so much. Keep ripping Ben!
Hi it’s Luca from the skate park
Siked to see you try the new stuff!! You look pretty comfortable skating the Cariumas too
New independent mid trucks features a lower profile hanger for optimal contact point angle on your nose and tail for flip tricks , ledges and all around street skating with 53m size wheel. The newly design and first ever independent inverted kingpin can be use with allen key and hex wrench . The innovative new shaft nut In the base plate creates a rigid and durable solution to lateral movement found in most inverted kingpin designs and increases adjustability .the new mid 52 tall with full cushions for maximum turning actions and comes 129,139,144,149,159 size
Some of the extra weight came from
having to add a bottom steel nut so the Kingpin didn’t wobble like in other companies models who used aluminum.
Nice review and skating Ben!!! Like always i will probably wake up in the morning and started thinking that i absolutely need to try these trucks !! Lol that's why i got way too much trucks.
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Hey Ben could you show/review some skateparks around Vancouver that have bowls that are good for beginners please? A pumptrack video would be cool too. Thanks for the great content and the inspiration!
Go to queensboro if your a beginner at transitions
@@TylerRaffle92 Looks sweet! I’ll go try it out. Thanks
just tried this indy mids recently. Im liking it when paired to a shorter wheelbase 14.25 ... pop is noticeably responsive ...
I think it just depends on the shape of the board, I have never really been a fan of Indy’s, always thought they were too tall and heavy, but the 144 Indy Mids on an 8.25 primitive board feel really nice for me. Used to do 148 thunders but the pop felt shallow and too light. The Indy Mids make it have a easy pop but still have decent leverage
Ben!!! Came for the review, wound up LOVING the Track!!!! PLEASE post the Artist(s)!!!! If anyone has any idea, please post up!!!!!!!
I will put it in the description.
@@bendegros thanks IMMENSELY for doing so!!!! It's the PERFECT track to take me from skating to a dinner party WITHOUT changing SONGS!!! (Even my GIRL likes it!!)
Yo I’ve been watching for a few months already and I finally subscribed as I was always watching on my laptop 👨💻 so I decided to follow you on my phone 📱 I love your videos 😎
11:49 LOL! No haircut Ben looks like the Spitfire picture on his shirt!
Ben that was a great review! Everything to know.
I will still ride my ventures like the shape to much. :D
Have a good day/night and stay safe :)
Always love your input Ben. Just ordered them with the intention of changing the hanger to the 55mm height with new baseplate and kingpin. I’m eager to see if kingpin clearance changes
Honestly I think it's fairly similar.
Had two sets and both of the king pings on both trucks would loosen just by rolling around the park a couple of times. I put a mark to see if they were moving and they were moving by a quarter of a turn at a time. So I could never get them to the right tightness I liked. Went back to standards. Would be interested to know if anyone else have had this issue. The shop I brought them from was great about it and just as puzzled by it as I was. Honestly I would just stick to standards.
I currently got a pair and have the same issue. I usually ride my independents with the nut cranked down about 1 notch over. I tried matching that tightness on the mids but cant get them to stay tight at all. After a few minutes of skating my trucks get so loose i can take them apart with my hands. Love the way the trucks feel, although i hate they dont stay tight and just get loose every go.
Bummer that the hex kingpin isn't helping. The baseplates would be good to drop a round Krux kingpin in, but now Krux has moved to the hex.
Buy them to further frankentruck. Use it with a krux downlow kingpin to lighten it up and increase the clearance. I'm getting them for this.
Making me want to try a set of Independents 🤔. Great review as always, Ben!
Ive said it before but....your progressing so much. Your skating better every video. Seriously!
Loving the clips on this one! Street skating w great camera work is my favorite
I second your theory on the kingpin head/nut material hardness affecting hangup
I love how inverted kingpin is suddenly seen as a brand new invention again. The cyclical nature of design trends.
Mork died bring this technology to Earth. So just buy some Mindy's.
Nanu Nanu !
Thanks for review Ben !was expecting good clearance from kingpin is'nt this why everyone is so hyped about them?
Going to give em a miss stick with 144 hollows .I have fitted old grind king kingpins which work well and give proper clearance only snag is you have to jam nut in baseplate with metal and superglue .
Can't understand why indy haven't thought this through with the kingpin clearance maybe could have got rid of washer and incorporated it in kingpin.
You should review the forged hollow mids
The kingpin has the problem of it getting loose from the vibration of the ground. Although many inverted kingpins tend to have that problem.
Another awesome review, thanks Ben. So Indy now offers 52mm height in a heavier truck with less kingpin clearance? Ummm cool, so when does the Titanium Mid drop?
Just dont be a baby, they don’t feel as heavy
I got those new independent advanced technology skateboard trucks. I like this mid skateboard trucks they grind make easy than titanium independent, hollow independent, and standard independent
The primary reason for the inverted kingpin is so that exposed threads are not stripped out on regular kingpins, which was a poor design idea in the first place...
The baseplate with the shaftnut is 12g heavier, than usual. The forged are weighting 100g, the standard are weighting 125g and the inverted Baseplate 137g.
That is a big differenz 😅
The Indy madness continues!
Thank you ben. Tho ur videos has made me insane. I want to switch my setup all the time. 😅 Love the channel 🙏❤️
Now try the kingpin on a standard indy! 149 titanium hangar maybe ? :)
Yea. You might have to bang out the hollow kingpin. I’m gonna try it.
Ben it’s Jay I might be going to Seattle then driving to BC and wanted to know where that ledge spot is at by that Coliseum and the grass everywhere? Looks hella fun! Wanted to hit some street spots not just all the skateparks
Hi Jay :)
It's right next to Playland. I think it's called empire stadium or empire field.
Actually, maybe the one your thinking of is the Richmond Olympic Oval. The long low ledge that I did the lines at.
@@bendegros yeah that long ass ledge! Also that stairset then a high and low ledge next to a tennis court I seen a lot of clips there from you and the Dime videos. Thanks for the help! Also enjoying the reviews
hey ben, try ricta rapido 99 or 101 compare to f4
Hahahah Ben, I had been watching this episode in the evening and had the weirdest dream last night . You came here overseas to promote some fragrance for skateboarders that smells like maple wood hahaha. I was touring skateparks with you in my home town and filming with a Sony vx800 (a model that doesn't exist hahah) and you were skating and giving away that perfume hahaha That's weird seriously but maybe that perfume might be a good business idea . Maple fragrance...hmmm hahahah. All the best!
😂 Awesome!!
Dreams are crazy, our brains work in mysterious ways...
As for that perfume - 'Eau de Gros' even sounds legit French 😀😀😀
This vid really cheered me up whilst I ate pizza. I've got indy hollows and they're 53.5mm clearance instead of the usual 55mm, they're loose and when they're shipped in black they come stock with the softest bushing they make (RED) so now I've got the hardest bushing indy sell and it works but the next time I buy, I'm getting raw standard Indies. (TOO MUCH WHEELBITE)
good turning and they look amazing :')
The lower height on those comes from the forged baseplate.
It sure does, that's why I've got 1/8 inch risers to compensate :)
They are always 90a in the bushings even if they are in different colours.
Ben another thing: shall you do a Skate Brands rank video??? It’ll be great!!! Cheers bro!
This was really GREAT review! Thanks Ben!
:)
Dang I think I might buy a pair but either way, I loved the video!!!!
I love your vids bro
:)
The bushings look exactly like the ones in my new 159 stage 11 standards I recently bought. The new bushings are horrible. Very very soft and definitely not like the old medium orange ones. They felt more like the white super soft indy bushings, but just a clear orange. They lasted only a few hours and were starting to get cut up by the sharp edges on the top washer. I run my trucks loose too so I don't crush the bushings to death! Good news is I replaced them with the indy bushings sold separately (red soft 88a). The replacements have much better washers with no sharp edges and the bushings seem way better quality with the hardnesses (88a red, 90a orange etc) we're all used too.
Thanks for the information!
Clips in this were super dope nice looking spots too , ima have to get some 159's of these though for sure.
Wow, Vancouver‘s got some pretty nice spots!
Also, great review, Ben! As always :)
Thanks! 😃
wish i had legs long enough for indies. i switched to thunder after riding indies for like a decade and it just feels better. still love the brand though
I wish. Indy would make their tweaks transparent And not let us find out when we ride the new stuff like the bushings and metals
Great review. Great spots you got out there man you take full advantage, great lines. Weather is turning here in the prairies wont be much more skating 👎🏼. Side note: my krux bent at the axle and I sent them back to NHS and they are sending me some titanium Indy’s as replacement 😁 also have thunder hollow lights waiting in the wings for a couple decks from the shop who shall not be named haha.
That's a pretty sweet trade :)
I saw the brailles vid and first thing that came into my mind was you. And had a feeling somehow you got one and was going to review lol.
Yeah, I was thinking the baseplate on a nice standard would be golden! Did you happen to just see how the standard hanger fit and looked on the new plates?
Very good vibe skateboarding, independent trucks are all I skate, but I've had ventures, but independents are what I stick to, though independents can be heavy, but I like how independents feel smooth for my skateboarding 😀
you lost me at "Heavy" haha. I just cant do it. I just switched from a new set of ACE 33 to my trusty Destructo Low because the ACE made my setup feel like it was 10 Lbs heavier. I did not like it at all. Also, I'm a fan of low trucks. I like my setup to be light. Ive been thinking about a set of Venture Lo. Ive never ridden Venture before
If you're not a fan of low trucks the Venture low is not going make you very happy. Worst grind clearance ever but they skate really nice for tricks. Now Venture highs with the lower forged baseplates, now those are sweet. Lots of grind clearance and a perfect mid hight Venture. That's just my opinion.
How tight do you ride your trucks? Don't you have wheel bite problems?
Venture lows are a good tech truck but have zero kingpin clearance.
If you like light trucks Thunder Hollow Lights are a great choice.
@@idmhead0160 pretty medium. Don’t really have wheelbite issues. I also ride 52mm wheels
Great video Ben.
I was waiting for this video for a long time and I don’t even need new trucks wtf
Aren't hollows and titaniums 53.5mm? So the Mids are really now too much different?
Was just thinking about this just now, thanks ben🙏
also apparently the wheelbase is shorter by a hair
I love em . They feel good to me. Always had stage 11 and tried the mids love em
I’ve had some horrible luck with Indy stock bushings myself, replaced them out with Indys again and had same issue. Almost as if they were blown out. Anyways I replaced them with Riptide Bushings and they are amazing. Flat spot in Vancouver has a ton of them to choose from.
I'm liking the geometry and them being lower.
And thankfully lockdown has just ended here in Melbourne yesterday, so my local skateshop should be open on Fri when I head into the CBD .
Fingers crossed they'll have a lovely amount of stock to choose from.
Crazy my local skateshop here in los angeles never closed because he sells a few bike parts so he was considered essential. He only really has helmets and bike bells.
@@destroyerdestroy87
That's awesome DH ,
I've always ridden bikes, before I started skating,
& before I got my licence for those horrid wet days.
But things got so shut down here my local bike shop
(who'd been in business for 15+ yrs),
had to permanently close his shop as here it wasn't deemed essential.
Hopefully he'll be able to set up somewhere else soon for his sake.
Tis weird,
I've not run bald tyres(bike),
& nursed bearings & boards along since I was 15yrs old.🙁
Probably one of the only things that makes me appreciate being older.
I hope you're fairing better in your town my friend.
Keep on rolling, & be well.🙂
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