The really funny thing, and what no one ever thinks of, is that if the tribbles hadn't been in the compartment, Kirk would still have been buried - by the grain!
Not necessarily. Kirk had to open the upper door because the lower door was stuck. Most likely it was stuck because there were so many tribbles that the mechanism wouldn't unlock.
@@ripple-effect-mlp Yes, and assuming that the tribbles have a greater volume than the grain, the grain may not have come up to the level of the upper door.
What's even funnier is that in the original TOS episode, someone really was sitting up in the storage compartment chucking tribbles out after the initial avalanche of 'em hit Kirk!
@@cabbievonbump Nah. He was given a choice: Bean Shatner with a dozen tribbles and receive a healthy paycheck, or refuse and not get paid. I'm pretty sure he was living the dream that day. :D
The Deep Space 9 episode is the 6th one from the 5th season (#103) and is called "Trials and Tribble-ations"...It was made in 1996 in honor of the 30th anniversary of TOS. If you search my name or MrPlays, you'll see all four of the comparison clips I made. Thanks! Gary Peterson
What is amazing to me is that they even took care with the timing when you couldn't see it in DS9. Look how Dax tosses a white tribble at 2:30... it hits Kirk in the head at 2:32 in TOS, even though you couldn't actually see it in the DS9 version!
When I watched the episode, I thought the compartment was like an inclined silo, and the tribbles falling were falling from the inclined walls. Interesting to think someone was throwing them through the hatch.
It's not that hard. They're there for 72 hours plus a little, dropping a litter of ten every 12 hours. That's six cycles. Every cycle, you take the existing number of tribbles and add ten times that number to it. You start with one tribble. So 1 + 10 == 11 + 110 == 121 + 1210 == 1331 + 13310 == 14641 + 146410 == 161051 + 1610510 == 1771561. And they were both wrong, of course, as that was assuming that all the tribbles survived to make it to each breeding cycle; the number that succumbed to the poison in each cycle would, of course, reduce the total number of tribbles at the end of that 72 hours. The number they gave was the mathematical maximum number of tribbles you could have after three days if you started with a single one.
I'm thinking she didn't calculate that number; she simply recalled it from reading about what Spock said once this event was recorded into history books.
Apparently, they had to do the initial massive drop eight times to get a good take of it, so Shatner had already been buried in tribbles eight times, and then they had to do the following scene where someone in the storage compartment was beaning him with tribbles randomly. The aggravation and "what even is my life any more?" on Jim Kirk's face in that scene isn't acting, it's very real! Trivia note: They built about 500 tribbles for the episode, all told, including a few that had an air bag inside them connected to a hose and blood pressure cuff squeeze bulb, so they could be made to "breathe" on camera, and a few others that were made by reskinning a toy "walking dog" that was on the market at the time, so that they could be made to wiggle along on camera like the one on the bridge railing that Kirk picks up in comparison #2. This scene used essentially all of them except for the "breathing" and "walking" ones (as the "breathing" ones would give away the game, and the "walking" ones would pose a concussion hazard for Shatner). Apparently, after filming was complete, for a couple of months, tribbles would just keep cropping up all over the set and the production offices--you turn a chair around, and there's a tribble sitting on it, or you open a desk drawer, and there's a tribble in it, or any of a dozen other pranks using the tribble props that were done as something of a running gag for much of the rest of the season before they were finally all put into the prop warehouse...
Cool comparison I think that part of the images with McCoy, like him scanning the tribbles and discovering that most were dead were cut out during this attempt.
Also, his irritated expression as the tribbles tumbled down on him was because it was the EIGHTH time they'd had to repeat the scene. Things kept going wrong, and by the time they got the shot they used in the episode, Shatner was sick to death of having 700 tribbles dumped onto him!
I don't recall whether or not the novelisation mentions anything regarding the explosion. However, in the novelisation the crew of the Enterprise did suspect that something was wrong but decided to brush it off, including "Brisko" (Sisko) coming to Captain Kirk.
the enterprise would have picked up that poor little tribble being blown up in space. i hope no tribbles were hurt in the making of this episode !!. love the old uniforms,,they still look cool now.
As a sidenote... there really WERE two production crew tossing the tribbles out. But the production crew had no direct line of sight and could not tell when there were "enough" tribbles; a barrier in the set separated them from the storage compartment, which was filled with prop tribbles. They kept throwing tribbles over the wall to ensure that the bin remained "full"; when the compartment was empty, these tribbles then fell onto Shatner's head as the crew tossed them one by one.
2:12 on the DS9, 2:37 on the TOS, 2:16 on this video, it looks like Cisco does the first BONKing, but you won't see it unless you're looking at the two in synch at that moment (in other words you'd only notice it in this side by side clip).
As for the tribbles spilling out, I assume there is a force shield there to prevent the grain from coming out. Much like the shield in the shuttle bay, the air doesnt escape but shuttlecrafts easily pass through the barrier. One can assume, the shield is keyed to the molecular structure of air particles to keep them from escaping the space when the bay door is opened. Had there been grain there, you would see a wall of grain and they didnt know tribbles'd be there, they slipped past the shield.
There is a goof in the TOS version, Kirk goes to the table where Sisko and Jadzia are supposedly sitting, and there are people there, but Sisko and Jadzia just left that table in the DS9 version, and we don't even see Kirk's hand oops!
Oh, near the end of the scene, did you notice Shatner turning his head towards the wall behind him? That's because he was wondering when the prop men were gonna stop! (LOL!)
For the same reason that starfighters in Star Wars have "audio simulators" built into the cockpit so you can hear the whoosh of other fighters and the sound of blaster fire... because otherwise it'd be boring. I forget what the TVTropes site calls this.
@gobblox38 not necessarily. Maybe Defiant already though about that, and used some advanced technology that made it undetectable to to 23rd century tech.
Two questions: If the Tribbles hadn't been there, wouldn't a ton of grain have spilled out onto Kirk? And how did no one detect the exploding Tribble in space?
Dude, the same can be said of the original Enterprise. It too is aerodynamic. Its design was meant to imply speed to a public that knew zero about space or space travel.
Yes, grain probably would have fallen on Kirk. And here's another thing: why couldn't they inspect the compartments from above, as the DS9 footage showed that you could get in from above?
Its funny how for the most part their timing of the original TOS scenes were mostly spot on except at about .41 seconds in. Kirk establishes his ah-ha moment and begins walking over 2 where Dex and Sisko is sitting. Even though DS9 doesn't show this, the TOS ep shows Kirk walking over to a communications terminal that Sisko is sitting next to. Before Sisko gets up the DS9 edit should of had a stand in for Kirk right next to them. I'm not complaining, I just find this interesting. lol
I wish that when they remastered TOS, they kept the DS9 cast in the background of scenes.
Wait ... They didn't?
@Damon Luis Yea, have been using flixzone for since november myself =)
@Damon Luis Definitely, been using flixzone for years myself :)
@@damonluis7886 Flixzone my balls.
That would have been awesome!!!!
The really funny thing, and what no one ever thinks of, is that if the tribbles hadn't been in the compartment, Kirk would still have been buried - by the grain!
Not necessarily. Kirk had to open the upper door because the lower door was stuck. Most likely it was stuck because there were so many tribbles that the mechanism wouldn't unlock.
@@ripple-effect-mlp Yes, and assuming that the tribbles have a greater volume than the grain, the grain may not have come up to the level of the upper door.
I laughed so hard when I saw that the two tribbles that landed on Kirk's head were thrown by Sisko And Dax.
Sisko... 1:56
Dax... 3:13
I loved this one! It was awesome how they made it look like the DS9 characters were originally in the episode.
What's even funnier is that in the original TOS episode, someone really was sitting up in the storage compartment chucking tribbles out after the initial avalanche of 'em hit Kirk!
What's the funniest is Dax continues to chuck tribbles down the hole even _after_ the bomb has been detonated!
And that worker was given a choice: Either receive a healthy paycheck or bean Shatner with a dozen tribbles.
OUCH!
@@cabbievonbump Nah. He was given a choice: Bean Shatner with a dozen tribbles and receive a healthy paycheck, or refuse and not get paid. I'm pretty sure he was living the dream that day. :D
The Deep Space 9 episode is the 6th one from the 5th season (#103) and is called "Trials and Tribble-ations"...It was made in 1996 in honor of the 30th anniversary of TOS. If you search my name or MrPlays, you'll see all four of the comparison clips I made. Thanks! Gary Peterson
Amazing dedication to timing and camerawork! Simply astounding!
What is amazing to me is that they even took care with the timing when you couldn't see it in DS9. Look how Dax tosses a white tribble at 2:30... it hits Kirk in the head at 2:32 in TOS, even though you couldn't actually see it in the DS9 version!
lol i love the tossing of the Tribbles too. thanks for doing this! it's great!
When I watched the episode, I thought the compartment was like an inclined silo, and the tribbles falling were falling from the inclined walls. Interesting to think someone was throwing them through the hatch.
The funniest thing is how Dax calculated the exact same number of tribbles as Spock just a few scenes ago. Great minds think alike?
More like at least one of them was wrong. In the time during the two scenes, there would be more Tribles breeding.
Makara Not when the tribbles were either dead or dying.
It's not that hard. They're there for 72 hours plus a little, dropping a litter of ten every 12 hours. That's six cycles. Every cycle, you take the existing number of tribbles and add ten times that number to it. You start with one tribble. So 1 + 10 == 11 + 110 == 121 + 1210 == 1331 + 13310 == 14641 + 146410 == 161051 + 1610510 == 1771561. And they were both wrong, of course, as that was assuming that all the tribbles survived to make it to each breeding cycle; the number that succumbed to the poison in each cycle would, of course, reduce the total number of tribbles at the end of that 72 hours. The number they gave was the mathematical maximum number of tribbles you could have after three days if you started with a single one.
I'm thinking she didn't calculate that number; she simply recalled it from reading about what Spock said once this event was recorded into history books.
LOL!
Captain Kirk getting bonked by Tribbles... PRICELESS!
Apparently, they had to do the initial massive drop eight times to get a good take of it, so Shatner had already been buried in tribbles eight times, and then they had to do the following scene where someone in the storage compartment was beaning him with tribbles randomly. The aggravation and "what even is my life any more?" on Jim Kirk's face in that scene isn't acting, it's very real!
Trivia note: They built about 500 tribbles for the episode, all told, including a few that had an air bag inside them connected to a hose and blood pressure cuff squeeze bulb, so they could be made to "breathe" on camera, and a few others that were made by reskinning a toy "walking dog" that was on the market at the time, so that they could be made to wiggle along on camera like the one on the bridge railing that Kirk picks up in comparison #2. This scene used essentially all of them except for the "breathing" and "walking" ones (as the "breathing" ones would give away the game, and the "walking" ones would pose a concussion hazard for Shatner). Apparently, after filming was complete, for a couple of months, tribbles would just keep cropping up all over the set and the production offices--you turn a chair around, and there's a tribble sitting on it, or you open a desk drawer, and there's a tribble in it, or any of a dozen other pranks using the tribble props that were done as something of a running gag for much of the rest of the season before they were finally all put into the prop warehouse...
These were so enjoyable to watch, thank you for the comparisons :)
Wow, I never noticed that they lampooned one of their own lines: "Storage compartments, storage compartments?"
My dad tells me that he hates the tribbles episode of TOS, and I keep telling him that it's a classic.
Any surviving tribbles from the episode must be worth their weight in gold today!
Cool comparison
I think that part of the images with McCoy, like him scanning the tribbles and discovering that most were dead were cut out during this attempt.
I don't think they'd store loose grain in there. I imagine it was in bags or something, which presumably wouldn't be stacked on top of the door.
Nice job getting those synchronized! Cool comparison!
Also, his irritated expression as the tribbles tumbled down on him was because it was the EIGHTH time they'd had to repeat the scene. Things kept going wrong, and by the time they got the shot they used in the episode, Shatner was sick to death of having 700 tribbles dumped onto him!
For anyone that has the remastered TOS set, all 3 Tribble stories are included.
Yes! This is where I always rewatch it. And I always watch the two together.
3:04 Why Did The Station, USS Enterprise And The Klingon Ship Not Detected The Exploding Tribble ?
I don't recall whether or not the novelisation mentions anything regarding the explosion.
However, in the novelisation the crew of the Enterprise did suspect that something was wrong but decided to brush it off, including "Brisko" (Sisko) coming to Captain Kirk.
If it was a bomb intended to kill one person it probably wouldn't have been a large enough explosion to be detectable by a ship's sensors.
They werent looking for a bomb.
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They timed it so it happened during the 3-second window in the Enterprise's sensor scan. Obviously. :-)
Thanks for posting and creating this. Excellent work.
the enterprise would have picked up that poor little tribble being blown up in space. i hope no tribbles were hurt in the making of this episode !!. love the old uniforms,,they still look cool now.
As a sidenote... there really WERE two production crew tossing the tribbles out. But the production crew had no direct line of sight and could not tell when there were "enough" tribbles; a barrier in the set separated them from the storage compartment, which was filled with prop tribbles. They kept throwing tribbles over the wall to ensure that the bin remained "full"; when the compartment was empty, these tribbles then fell onto Shatner's head as the crew tossed them one by one.
I caught that right away. It was one of the laugh-out-loud moments for me.
2:12 on the DS9, 2:37 on the TOS, 2:16 on this video, it looks like Cisco does the first BONKing, but you won't see it unless you're looking at the two in synch at that moment (in other words you'd only notice it in this side by side clip).
The grain was probably in bags, not stacked on the door, and the tribbles just got into the bags. Also, the explosion was probably small.
As for the tribbles spilling out, I assume there is a force shield there to prevent the grain from coming out. Much like the shield in the shuttle bay, the air doesnt escape but shuttlecrafts easily pass through the barrier. One can assume, the shield is keyed to the molecular structure of air particles to keep them from escaping the space when the bay door is opened. Had there been grain there, you would see a wall of grain and they didnt know tribbles'd be there, they slipped past the shield.
Yes but for some reason the original Enterprise didn't seem to have this force-field. They de-pressurised and re-pressurised the 'Hangar Bay.'
The tribble had eaten all the grain by that point.
Because James Tiberius Kirk does what he wants, and he didn't want to go all the way around to the upper compartment entrance.
Thanks! This was fun to do.
There is a goof in the TOS version, Kirk goes to the table where Sisko and Jadzia are supposedly sitting, and there are people there, but Sisko and Jadzia just left that table in the DS9 version, and we don't even see Kirk's hand oops!
cool! i must see this ds9 episode!
LOL, why did Dax keep chucking tribbles down the hole even after the bomb had been detonated?
it's sooo much funnier watching them throw the tribbles down the hole while Kirk gets pelted with them....kmsl!!!
You know someone took great pleasure in tossing tribbles down at Bill Shatner!
I never understood how no one noticed the explosion that took place RIGHT OUTSIDE THE STATION!
@aprillo it was a knee jerk beaming, i highly doubt there would be time to calculate a solution to place the thing in a sensor blind spot.
Oh, near the end of the scene, did you notice Shatner turning his head towards the wall behind him? That's because he was wondering when the prop men were gonna stop! (LOL!)
For the same reason that starfighters in Star Wars have "audio simulators" built into the cockpit so you can hear the whoosh of other fighters and the sound of blaster fire... because otherwise it'd be boring. I forget what the TVTropes site calls this.
Tribble blew up.
haha, forgot about them worried about the tribble problem
wouldnt the two ships (klingon and enterprise) or the station detect the explosion and investigate it farther?
You have to understand- they were a little occupied at the time.
Lmao, it was really Sisko and Dax that pelted Kirk with Tribbles.
2:48 Dax, you can STOP now.
if it's any consolation, it would have been dead from the poisoned grain.
nice!
I can imagine that :)
Aunque entretenido, no es uno de los más emocionantes; yo tenía ese episodio en una de las fotonovelas de 1979. Ahora solo tengo 2.
Tengo unos de viejas Star Trek fotonovelas tambien.
A horrible thought. The worst Fate a Klingon could suffer is to be buried alive in tribbles!
Cool!
@gobblox38 not necessarily. Maybe Defiant already though about that, and used some advanced technology that made it undetectable to to 23rd century tech.
@Diljabar Maybe someone rushed and took the seat as soon as they stood up.
poor kirk... Doesn't it hurt when that many tribbles fall on your head?
This fantastic, but WHERE IS THE HD??
This is a good point. Moreover, in the vacuum of space, there should be no explosion: that scene is unnecessary.
There would be an explosion, but no sound.
It's not space.... it's Sci-Fi. lol.
what are these guys doing in the past?
If space has no oxygen how was there an explosion. With sound. And fire. -.-
So, it was Sisko that threw those tribbles to Kirk, lol.
@pardusian141 lol, and that comment was made 4 year ago :p
Two questions: If the Tribbles hadn't been there, wouldn't a ton of grain have spilled out onto Kirk? And how did no one detect the exploding Tribble in space?
The volume of tribbles is bigger than the volume of grain, so the gvrain may not have been up to the level of the upper hatch.
Dude, the same can be said of the original Enterprise. It too is aerodynamic. Its design was meant to imply speed to a public that knew zero about space or space travel.
But at the same time, as its engines were above its centre of mass, firing up the engines would have put it into a vertical spin.
poor kirk, he dosn't like tribbles much
Well, what a good thing for the rest of us that you have nothing to do with the production of Star Trek.
I'm pretty sure Kirk bonked the Tribbles, not the other way round.
They didn't save the tribble.
Reminds me of Prisoner of Azkaban
0:19 He means redshirts.
Yes, grain probably would have fallen on Kirk. And here's another thing: why couldn't they inspect the compartments from above, as the DS9 footage showed that you could get in from above?
how many tribbles would it take to cover a man of Kirk's height in real life?
Most likely they did detect the exploding tribble; just no need to mention it in the original.
@ArmoniaMacrocospica How dare you say such things.
@ratcliffave not necessaraly.
Is the DS9 supposed to be a comedy?
They are both supposed to be humorous.
Just why does DS9 interfere with the original series?
Its funny how for the most part their timing of the original TOS scenes were mostly spot on except at about .41 seconds in. Kirk establishes his ah-ha moment and begins walking over 2 where Dex and Sisko is sitting. Even though DS9 doesn't show this, the TOS ep shows Kirk walking over to a communications terminal that Sisko is sitting next to. Before Sisko gets up the DS9 edit should of had a stand in for Kirk right next to them. I'm not complaining, I just find this interesting. lol