I bought one of these when they first came out. Anything up in the air no problem, anything going away or crossing I couldn't hit for love or money. Sold it on to someone along with a Browning Cynergy on the same day. He took both guns out, shot 25 straight DTL with the Cynergy then straight after 4 out of 25 with the FABARM! Couldn't figure it out at all as it came up perfectly.
Love your stuff mate...was this one of the step up rib versions? I know they do an interchangeable rib with one coming with the gun marketed at a 50/50 split...if that is the sporter version your shooting I reckon they'd be the same...in which case hard pass from me
Lloyd, love the candid reviews. I've recently been drawn to the 690 Sporting Black Edition. I know they had some problems at first but that seems to have calmed down now. I know you've not done a review on it it, but is it in the pipeline somewhere? The 725 Sporting and the 690 are close in price here in US, and i'm heavily leaning towards the 690 based on fit and feel and wanted to know your opinions as they tend to be pretty honest.
The 690 is a 692 with a fixed trigger basically. I think its better looking overall but there is little difference in quality. If you can hack the trigger at standard length go for it.
This review put me off buying a Fabarm. I was really after the RS12 QRR but bought a Miroku ML11 instead. However i was lucky enough to speak with two owners of these Fabarm Models and see them shoot. They consistently had the best scores in their practice squads and both liked the patterning of their guns. I guess it’s all personal gun fit...
Hi Lloyd. I Had one of these and I hated it. I thought it was me that was shooting it high but seeing you review this one I'm glad to see it wasn't me. The one I had i found that with the barrels open I was playing with the trigger and I heard a click. Just as I was about to shoot my first clay the gun didn't fire???? I opened the barrel and it ejected the cart. Did you find this happen to you? Terrible gun. Thanks, Malc
I base my next gun for clay shooting on your and TGS reviews - My problem - I got 3 guns on my hand - all at the same price! The Axis RS12 allsport 2 ribs NEW, The Browning B725 Pro trap high rib and a 2 year old Caeser Guerini Invictus 1 ascent 32 inch barrel. What would you chose? I shoot mostly sporting and a little trap from time to time... and i have not got the oppertunity to test!
Just another opinion as we all have one...couldn't disagree more with your review of the Axis RS. I have one and shoot it very well. Nice appearance. I also shoot the DT10, K-80, and Remington 3200's for sporting clay and skeet. Certainly respect your opinion but i would say to those looking at one to try it out. Thanks for your review as i enjoy watching.
I've read all available reviews of this gun and they're very positive. Comb adjustment involves an Allen key supplied with the gun and is pretty straightforward. The gun you shot is available for 1600 pounds whereas you quoted the price for the QRR version. Not one of your better efforts.
The problem with reviews in magazines is that magazines have advertiser's who pay for the magazine. The Axis is a dog in my opinion, and while your opinion may differ, I stand by my review.
@@stuartwelford7562 when was the last time you saw a bad magazine review? Remember when Clarkson said the Vectra was a dog? Vauxhall wouldn't send a car to the BBC for years after that.
@@stuartwelford7562 Also no, I am saying think for yourself. I am not trying to sell you anything, and my opinions are my own. Either you value you that or you don't, up to you.
Partner, I would like you tu make a video testing and talking about the franchi feeling Sporting shotgun and the fabarm elos N2 Sporting .greetings from Spain ,I Hope I read It an can test those Two weapons and tell us about them
@@lloydyp ok, I was just wondering about the differences between the 2 and how they differ or are the same in shooting them. Very hard to find some place here in the states to try these out and thought you could add some insight to them.
@@lloydyp is, thank you Mr. Pattison for the information. Just looking for something new and liked the set up on these 2 models, but they look vastly different from each other.
Have watched a lot of your reviews (thanks) as looking for my first clay buster. I'd love to know your opinion on the Miroku mk11 sporter if you have handled one.
Hi Richard, I havent handled one as it happens but I don't think it's sold here in the UK. Having said that Miroku Guns are very similar in design and from what I can see of the Miroku.au site, it looks a lot like an MK 70 with different engraving. As I said in my MK70 review, you can't go far wrong with a Miroku :)
I made the mistake of buying one as a ‘different’ Sporter to my usual Miroku/ Browning. I took it out twice and then back to the shop. The fit felt good, it handled well. I knew it had to go back when I couldn’t hit a static clay on a bank at 20 yds without putting a foot of air between the bead and the clay. A very odd setup😳
I find that strange. I’ve done the same. I see the clay just lurking above the bead, and I blast it to a thousand pieces. The same with going aways. Let the clay peak above the rib. Poooooof.
Can’t understand why people would opt for an unproven gun just for the sake of buying new. Look at what you could get used in the quality range for £2000, Beretta, Miroku, Browning etc. Once again, good review.
Unproven? Are you awareof how big Fabarm is in America? If it were crap, Americans would absolutely pin it to the ground. They don’t. I love mine RS12. No issues with it what so ever.
Hi Lloyd I totally get you on the pistol grip. When I held this and the elos n2 at the British shooting show my fingers felt like they were being scrunched upwards it’s probably the worst guns I’ve held
Im getting the impression you really hate this thing? 😂 Incidentally I am looking for something to replace a blaser f3 I'm not getting on with and was looking at this.
Compañero me gustaría que hicieras un vídeo de la escopeta franchi feeling Sporting y fabarm elos N2 Sporting sería muy interesante , muchas gracias , saludos desde España.
Opinions vary. Interesting to hear your review. Must say, that it sounds a bit like you from the start chose to put it down. The way you laugh, when you describe the features and performance is absolutely not constructive in regards of taking a review serious. Anyway it’s your honest opinion. Here’s mine. I’ve had my RS 12 for a few months. Shot approx 3K rounds. I’m quite new to the shooting scene. But I still manage to shoot and hit with this gun. If I target the clay just above the rib/bead, I will hit the clay on the bottom. If I cover the clay,I will destroy it completely. It shoots straight. I like it that way. Flat. The pistolgrip. Naaaahh no problem. I can shoot 200-300 rounds, without ant numbness or stitching in my palm. I’ve had a couple of pros from my club shoot it. K 80 guys. They like it a lot. Great value for the money they say. And as one of them said, it’s almost like my Krieghoff. If you miss the clays, it’s you, not the gun. That gun hits where it’s pointed. So I’m really confused you feel exactly the opposite. Well, the world is an odd place.
My opinion is informed by 35 years of shooting, 7 years of reviewing guns for the channel, and experience of nearly every gun available on the European market. What’s yours?
@@lloydyp As I said, I’m fairly new in this game. But why does that have anything to do with me being able to hit the clay and you not to? If it was the other way around, you would have a point. If I can hit going aways, incomers, loopers, crossers and trapclays, then it’s definitely not because of a poor man’s gun with horrible features. It’s because the gun works and I’m slow getting better and better. Why you and a few in the comments aren’t able to shoot it, is a bit odd. As for your sensible palm vs. mine non sensible palm. I don’t know. Maybe I got tougher skin. Don’t know what you do for a living. But my hands get oily and dirty every day. But you can’t definitely not use 35 years of experience as a valid reason for your palm not feeling like a baby’s bottom, after you shot it. Furthermore if it was as crap to everyone as it is to you, it would have been destroyed by the american shooters. Fabarm is big in USA. For a reason. Enough said. Cheers.
So what didn’t you like? The grip hurt your hands. Trigger too thin for your comfort. The wood not pretty enough. You shot too high. Did you pattern it? I’d like to see that. Something concrete. I appreciate your reviews, but I don’t think you gave this one a fair shake. I do not own one btw.
Honestly I'm a bit disappointed to hear what you said... I was interested in Fabarm axis rs12 q.r.r... In my country it is in the same price as Beretta 686 sp 1 sporting b-fast. But Fabarm has more features and seems to be more interesting.....
My qrr shoots dead flat and has nothing wrong with it... chequering and woodwork has nothing bad to say about. I think this review is a bit over negative
Me too. I was about to order a Fabarm axis RS12 QRR today and then saw this video ! I don’t need a gun that isn’t accurate as I won’t know if it’s me Or not. Looks like I’ll have to purchase a Miroku ML11 instead.
@@vtv8man Cannot understand the comments re adjusting the comb. There's no need for any spanners,simply use the Allen key supplied with the gun. A bit more effort from Lloyd might have solved his problem.
i absolutely can not agree anymore with your comments. this gun to an extent lends itself to actually be removed from the market (if it hasnt already through production) infact, its an absolute rip off for 2K. far better off buying a benelli 828u for around the same money
Thanks for candid reviews 👍👍
Thank you.
Nice thorough review and good to see your channels doing well. Keep it up :)
Cheers Mark, I have some work to do to catch you up like.
Excellent! The sweet fragrance of Honesty. Thank you.
Thanks Don
I bought one of these when they first came out. Anything up in the air no problem, anything going away or crossing I couldn't hit for love or money. Sold it on to someone along with a Browning Cynergy on the same day. He took both guns out, shot 25 straight DTL with the Cynergy then straight after 4 out of 25 with the FABARM! Couldn't figure it out at all as it came up perfectly.
Probably my least favourite gun on the channel.
I had the same problem with a high adjustable rib Ceaser. I had to float the bird 2 ft above the gun. Recoil was nice, fit was nice,
Love your stuff mate...was this one of the step up rib versions? I know they do an interchangeable rib with one coming with the gun marketed at a 50/50 split...if that is the sporter version your shooting I reckon they'd be the same...in which case hard pass from me
Agreed.
Great review, so few reviews highlight negative points, nice to see this level of honesty
Thanks Martyn
So you got the 10k subscribers, congratulations
Thank you.
Lloyd, love the candid reviews. I've recently been drawn to the 690 Sporting Black Edition. I know they had some problems at first but that seems to have calmed down now. I know you've not done a review on it it, but is it in the pipeline somewhere? The 725 Sporting and the 690 are close in price here in US, and i'm heavily leaning towards the 690 based on fit and feel and wanted to know your opinions as they tend to be pretty honest.
The 690 is a 692 with a fixed trigger basically. I think its better looking overall but there is little difference in quality. If you can hack the trigger at standard length go for it.
Lloyd Pattison So the Beretta 686 / 690 or Browning 725? I was looking at the Fabarm Elos N2 also.
This review put me off buying a Fabarm. I was really after the RS12 QRR but bought a Miroku ML11 instead.
However i was lucky enough to speak with two owners of these Fabarm
Models and see them shoot. They consistently had the best scores in their practice squads and both liked the patterning of their guns. I guess it’s all personal gun fit...
I disagree although up to a point. The gun may well fit some people and that's cool, but it's still a dog.
Hi Lloyd. I Had one of these and I hated it. I thought it was me that was shooting it high but seeing you review this one I'm glad to see it wasn't me. The one I had i found that with the barrels open I was playing with the trigger and I heard a click. Just as I was about to shoot my first clay the gun didn't fire???? I opened the barrel and it ejected the cart. Did you find this happen to you? Terrible gun. Thanks, Malc
Cheers Mac.
I base my next gun for clay shooting on your and TGS reviews - My problem - I got 3 guns on my hand - all at the same price! The Axis RS12 allsport 2 ribs NEW, The Browning B725 Pro trap high rib and a 2 year old Caeser Guerini Invictus 1 ascent 32 inch barrel. What would you chose? I shoot mostly sporting and a little trap from time to time... and i have not got the oppertunity to test!
Invictus. No contest.
Just another opinion as we all have one...couldn't disagree more with your review of the Axis RS. I have one and shoot it very well. Nice appearance. I also shoot the DT10, K-80, and Remington 3200's for sporting clay and skeet. Certainly respect your opinion but i would say to those looking at one to try it out. Thanks for your review as i enjoy watching.
I respect your opinion Hal, not everyone is the same, and people like different stuff.
What is your opinion of the FAIR Carrera line have you done a review?
Sorry never heard of them, are they sold in the UK? Who is the Importer?
I've read all available reviews of this gun and they're very positive.
Comb adjustment involves an Allen key supplied with the gun and is pretty straightforward.
The gun you shot is available for 1600 pounds whereas you quoted the price for the QRR version.
Not one of your better efforts.
The problem with reviews in magazines is that magazines have advertiser's who pay for the magazine. The Axis is a dog in my opinion, and while your opinion may differ, I stand by my review.
@@lloydyp Strong stuff Lloyd.Does this mean that we should only believe negative magazine reviews?
@@stuartwelford7562 when was the last time you saw a bad magazine review? Remember when Clarkson said the Vectra was a dog? Vauxhall wouldn't send a car to the BBC for years after that.
@@lloydyp You didn't answer the question.
@@stuartwelford7562 Also no, I am saying think for yourself. I am not trying to sell you anything, and my opinions are my own. Either you value you that or you don't, up to you.
Have you tested the elos n2 ? The only thing that puts me off is the massive deprecation .
I'm not a fan.
Partner, I would like you tu make a video testing and talking about the franchi feeling Sporting shotgun and the fabarm elos N2 Sporting .greetings from Spain ,I Hope I read It an can test those Two weapons and tell us about them
I will get hold of a Franchi Affinity or an Elos if I can👍🏻
haw much this gun prs
Have you or could you review the fabarms elos n2 xl sporting with quick change rib.
I’d rather not if it’s anything like the RS12.
@@lloydyp ok, I was just wondering about the differences between the 2 and how they differ or are the same in shooting them. Very hard to find some place here in the states to try these out and thought you could add some insight to them.
@@jmahaney3 in fairness I’ve never even heard of the model you mentioned, I would need to find out if they are even available here.
@@lloydyp is, thank you Mr. Pattison for the information. Just looking for something new and liked the set up on these 2 models, but they look vastly different from each other.
Have watched a lot of your reviews (thanks) as looking for my first clay buster. I'd love to know your opinion on the Miroku mk11 sporter if you have handled one.
Hi Richard, I havent handled one as it happens but I don't think it's sold here in the UK. Having said that Miroku Guns are very similar in design and from what I can see of the Miroku.au site, it looks a lot like an MK 70 with different engraving. As I said in my MK70 review, you can't go far wrong with a Miroku :)
The Miroku mk11 is basically a Browning 725 sporter with the low profile action. Sold in Australia. Cheers
I made the mistake of buying one as a ‘different’ Sporter to my usual Miroku/ Browning.
I took it out twice and then back to the shop. The fit felt good, it handled well.
I knew it had to go back when I couldn’t hit a static clay on a bank at 20 yds without putting a foot of air between the bead and the clay.
A very odd setup😳
Thank you.
I find that strange.
I’ve done the same. I see the clay just lurking above the bead, and I blast it to a thousand pieces.
The same with going aways. Let the clay peak above the rib. Poooooof.
Can’t understand why people would opt for an unproven gun just for the sake of buying new. Look at what you could get used in the quality range for £2000, Beretta, Miroku, Browning etc. Once again, good review.
Thanks for watching man.
Unproven?
Are you awareof how big Fabarm is in America?
If it were crap, Americans would absolutely pin it to the ground. They don’t.
I love mine RS12.
No issues with it what so ever.
I like the pistol grip but it might be that I got somewhat big hands
That is not 2 grand the QRR is close to that price but that gun is around 1350
it's still crap.
@@lloydyp Can't agree with you, as i happen to own Browning, Beretta, CG etc and i get on with it really well
@@pistoleer3572 if we all agreed on everything it would be terribly boring.
Hi Lloyd I totally get you on the pistol grip. When I held this and the elos n2 at the British shooting show my fingers felt like they were being scrunched upwards it’s probably the worst guns I’ve held
indeed.
Hi richard..please i want your help for beretta silver pigeon 3 second hand or the fabarm rs12...thanks..great videos..very helpful ..
Silver Pig, no contest.
Sorry for the mistake for the name..i mean Lloyd...😊
So beretta...thanks alot..
@@pankom6311 I did wonder who Richard was.
@@lloydyp the beretta its the s687 silver pigeon , not the silver pigeon lll..its a good choice ?
Im getting the impression you really hate this thing? 😂 Incidentally I am looking for something to replace a blaser f3 I'm not getting on with and was looking at this.
Have you looked at perhaps a used DT11? Or a CG Invictus?
Compañero me gustaría que hicieras un vídeo de la escopeta franchi feeling Sporting y fabarm elos N2 Sporting sería muy interesante , muchas gracias , saludos desde España.
I will get hold of a Franchi Affinity or an Elos if I can👍🏻
In total agreement sold mine after 5K rounds.
Thank you.
The shame this gun felt as you put it back into your car and got out your personal gun to finish the days shooting.
My least favourite gun in the three years I have been making this channel.
I've got one 2nd hand £900. And in agreement with others ..up in the air no bother ..across and going away I miss loads 😢
Opinions vary.
Interesting to hear your review. Must say, that it sounds a bit like you from the start chose to put it down. The way you laugh, when you describe the features and performance is absolutely not constructive in regards of taking a review serious.
Anyway it’s your honest opinion.
Here’s mine.
I’ve had my RS 12 for a few months. Shot approx 3K rounds.
I’m quite new to the shooting scene. But I still manage to shoot and hit with this gun. If I target the clay just above the rib/bead, I will hit the clay on the bottom. If I cover the clay,I will destroy it completely. It shoots straight. I like it that way. Flat.
The pistolgrip. Naaaahh no problem. I can shoot 200-300 rounds, without ant numbness or stitching in my palm.
I’ve had a couple of pros from my club shoot it. K 80 guys.
They like it a lot. Great value for the money they say.
And as one of them said, it’s almost like my Krieghoff. If you miss the clays, it’s you, not the gun. That gun hits where it’s pointed.
So I’m really confused you feel exactly the opposite.
Well, the world is an odd place.
My opinion is informed by 35 years of shooting, 7 years of reviewing guns for the channel, and experience of nearly every gun available on the European market. What’s yours?
@@lloydyp As I said, I’m fairly new in this game.
But why does that have anything to do with me being able to hit the clay and you not to?
If it was the other way around, you would have a point. If I can hit going aways, incomers, loopers, crossers and trapclays, then it’s definitely not because of a poor man’s gun with horrible features. It’s because the gun works and I’m slow getting better and better.
Why you and a few in the comments aren’t able to shoot it, is a bit odd.
As for your sensible palm vs. mine non sensible palm. I don’t know. Maybe I got tougher skin. Don’t know what you do for a living. But my hands get oily and dirty every day. But you can’t definitely not use 35 years of experience as a valid reason for your palm not feeling like a baby’s bottom, after you shot it.
Furthermore if it was as crap to everyone as it is to you, it would have been destroyed by the american shooters. Fabarm is big in USA. For a reason.
Enough said. Cheers.
So what didn’t you like? The grip hurt your hands. Trigger too thin for your comfort. The wood not pretty enough. You shot too high. Did you pattern it? I’d like to see that. Something concrete. I appreciate your reviews, but I don’t think you gave this one a fair shake. I do not own one btw.
I think I was pretty clear why I don't like this gun, patterning it won't tell me anything I don't already know.
you shoot like you are angry ? slamming shells very choppy
Shooting this gun was not a pleasure.
@@lloydyp i know that feeling
I liked the new music, not so much the new gun.................................lol
lol
Honestly I'm a bit disappointed to hear what you said... I was interested in Fabarm axis rs12 q.r.r... In my country it is in the same price as Beretta 686 sp 1 sporting b-fast. But Fabarm has more features and seems to be more interesting.....
Not as disappointed as I was with the gun.
Maybe rs12 q.r.r. does not shoot so high? 😬
My qrr shoots dead flat and has nothing wrong with it... chequering and woodwork has nothing bad to say about. I think this review is a bit over negative
Me too. I was about to order a Fabarm axis RS12 QRR today and then saw this video ! I don’t need a gun that isn’t accurate as I won’t know if it’s me Or not. Looks like I’ll have to purchase a
Miroku ML11 instead.
@@vtv8man Cannot understand the comments re adjusting the comb.
There's no need for any spanners,simply use the Allen key supplied with the gun.
A bit more effort from Lloyd might have solved his problem.
As far as I'm aware it's a Bettinsoli Calypso in disguise
Not really.
i absolutely can not agree anymore with your comments. this gun to an extent lends itself to actually be removed from the market (if it hasnt already through production) infact, its an absolute rip off for 2K. far better off buying a benelli 828u for around the same money