STRANGE CASE: RUDE Neighbour Went Too Far? I Discovered Evidence Whilst Cleaning A Roof!
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
- Hmmmm What do you guys think about this one? There's a good counter argument due to the high amount of moss but to me it's sneaky especially because no one was informed.
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Been a roofer for many many years, I can tell you straight away that’s an internal stop end never should of been put on a union, that has been done out of spite or conversation between roofer and customer. Out of order👎
Agree 100%, Been in building trade nearly 40 years,seen it done quite a few times over the years.Can cause so many issues, like internal damp for the affected house
Or maybe just maybe the person who put the stop in asked the neighbours to kindly get the roof cleaned for years due to moss building up and blocking the drain constantly and was just ignored. Get the facts before accusing people or being out of order. That roof had clearly had a moss problem for years and years and wasnt dealt with. This youtuber went off on one without knowing the facts himself and took the law into his own hands. Came off as a bit of an idiot tbh
@@bongobob7079 Two wrongs don't make a right, removing the obstruction was the correct thing to do.
@@dave_ryan How do you know it was the "correct thing" to do? Did you even read what I said? What would you do if you asked your neighbour for years to get their roof cleaned and they didnt and you have to constantly pay to get the drainage unblocked due to their lazyness or lack of caring? It's ok to take a moral high ground and virtue signal like yourself with no facts and no comeback. I bet you would of just bent over and let your neighbour make a joke of you right? Don't make me laugh.
@@bongobob7079 I read what you said and ignored it as bs, Are you saying you know the facts or are are you just butt hurt because you got called out for talking bs, now do one you muppet., go cry like a baby to someone that gives a s**t.
Deeds to both properties should contain a clause about shared drains and gutters, they usually do. That makes it enforceable even if its a pain. I had a similar situation with a developer who changed the gutters on next door so they no longer lined up with mine. We got the deeds out and I explained he had 2 options, reinstate it at his expense or go to court and reinstate it at his expanse and pay the court fees. He saw sense and re-did the gutter.
Brilliant, good job mate, shouldn't have to stand for nonsense like that.
it will also mean there are responsibilities that can be enforced too. Like a responsibility to clean your roof, especially if its leading to blocking of the drain.
The same happened with my 80 year olds mums house while she was in hospital. Had to have a downpipes fitted although drains onto the driveway. Since had trouble with them since they moved in it's too much trouble at her age. From the noise created I reckon he has done other renovations without building control or party wall agreements so it will come out in the end.
Who to say that it will not go back on again
If the neighbour was fed up of the downpipe getting blocked, he should have just installed a mesh. If that got blocked from the moss, then he would have at least been able to say that the blockage was caused by your customer having too much moss on his roof. The neighbour was obviously just being awkward and I believe could be taken to civil court for preventing your customer from using a shared facility. That could result in very high costs for the neighbour. At least you've sorted the problem so well done.
meshes would also block water over time .
@@mikedeitz2924 True but it only takes a few minutes to clear the mesh, rather than having to spend a lot of money to have the drains unblocked by a professional
@@ASavageEyebut why should the guy who obviously keeps his roof clean have to install a mesh and clean it only cuz the other people dont care?
@@idkimlikereallybored9533 solid one like that would cause build up and eventual dampness to seep into the house/attic, since they're together it would affect the guy who keeps the roof clean. they don't get along well and the neighbour didn't think of long term effects or just ignored them to spite his neighbour. not a roofer myself but that's my guesstimate.
@@daubenyhervis6437 I get that, but a blocked drain will cause that as well. In which case the bloke who cleans the roof suffers for the bloke who does not as they are both flooded out. So if this is a long ongoing dispute the separator is understandable. (I.e. if you do not care I do not care)
Honestly if they just each had their own downpipe it would be fine. I would personally hate to have to keep spending money to unblock my gutter and drain because my neighbor let's their section of roof get that dirty.
You are absolutely correct. A down pipe on each end of the roof would be the best solution all round. Bonus no more aggro for both the residents.
Definitely don't get why they are not each with their own , it's always a shtshow when ppl have to share something that requires maintenance of some sort but one side does fk all while the other suffers the consequences
hes nothing to worry about now has he?
@@I.Am.Nobody Completely agree.
So you just clean their gutter and send them a bill each time you have to do it!
It’s sad what that neighbor did. My neighbor and I share a roof and a few years ago a storm damaged both sides. Because we were adults and kind to each other we managed to get both roofs completely redone at a discount because it wasn’t two work sites but one. We got top of the line materials because we got a discount on both the materials (all the same), the dumpster and the crew. We each spent about $5000 but it would have been another $1000 or more each if we hadn’t come together. Also if we hadn’t worked together the shingles may not have matched making the dividing line require cuts that could leak where as together they interlock making it neater and more water tight. I’m gonna brag a bit and say the matching shingles on our twin homes look far better than our neighbors who all have different colored shingles. Love thy neighbor at least as much as possible lol. If you can’t love them play fair and be mature lol.
Well said!
Can I come and live near you please? I'm in a block of flats and my direct neighbours are fine but we have some idiots a few flats away.
That's the only way it should be, but reality is different... Glad we have a single house
Being mature and reasonable adults is so easy and makes far more sense as you've shown. Unfortunately it takes only 1 side to be childish and that makes it so so difficult.
Prob neighbour fed up of cleaning up the roof moss from next door out his own gutters looks years since that roof was clean think about it guys prob more to it than you think
We had a gutter clear out today, the customer had the shared down pipe, but the neighbour's was full and they were out, the customer said do that one as well 🙂
THAT'S a good neighbor.👍
Exactly what we did
A roof with so much moss would cause the shared downpipe to get blocked . The neighbour was probably sick of constantly having to unblock.
I would be fuming if I had had to do that (as a result of a neighbour not looking after their roof and gutters at a detriment to my own) and someone removed it. It’s underhand to do it in the first place but would be really annoyed to see someone taking a Stanley knife to my property without speaking to me about it first.
@@urbankoi5250 I agree, this got is an ass
Ours has a fair bit of moss on, but we’ve asked 2 different roof cleaners around and both have told us “keep your money”, it’s not worth cleaning it yet, that’s got another couple of years before it actually needs to be cleaned.
So maybe don’t be too quick to judge the state of the roof, perhaps they are just getting it cleaned at the appropriate time!
@@myworldntl That roof was plain terrible!
@@aitorbleda8267 looks terrible compared to the freshly cleaned roof nextdoor, yes…
But like i said, you have absolutely no idea if they’ve been told to wait to clean it till then.
Ours is pretty mossy and at the point i would have thought it needs cleaning, yet we’ve been told by several professionals that it’s not worth doing yet and ti wait a few years first.
So, what “you” think it looks like and the reality of what they’ve been told is likely very different.
And as this video shows, they’ve just had it cleaned, so they have very likely waited the appropriate amount if time before cleaning it…
Well done for sorting it out. Good to see there are some great professionals out there!
BS
If it was just a poor angle then he could be forgiven for just doing a bad job but adding a stop to prevent the neighbours gutters draining could have caused property damage! What a bad neighbour! Well done for sorting it, great job.
And because they're semi-detached, two houses with one shared wall dividing them and therefore one building , it could well have damaged the house of the person who did it, not just the customer's house. But of course, people like that don't think things through, do they?
Also stupid because because it will have ended up costing the numpty that did that more than to just stop being petty and childish. Free water that could be used to water the lawns.
@@Teverell What if it was the other way round, and the damage was being caused to the neighbour who HAD cleaned his moss, but his gutters overflowed because the moss from the other property was blocking the flow from the roof with no moss?
How do you know the guy didn't install that divider because he was sick of clearing all the moss and shit from the other house out of his gutter ?. He shouldn't have gotten involved because he has no idea what's actually going on and neither do we.
@@Enigmatic.. In all fairness, you can't stop nature. But you can help mitigate moss issues by installing mesh which would stop the moss from blocking the pipe but still allow flow of water
Well done Sid! My daughter had same issue with gutters. She was middle house of 3, hers still owned by local council but other 2 had been bought. They both had a down pipe but she didn't. They both did similar thing so when it rained she had a constant waterfall over the front of her house. Can't be doing with people being petty for no purpose than to make life difficult for someone else.
Can't the council do anything about the situation, since the gutters are there for a purpose. Blocking the drainage can lead to damage to the property that belongs to the council.
Yeh this is true that can happen
@@patzeuner8385 It depends on the working of the purchase agreement what the council can do if it results in damage to they property.
@@frankosborn444 if a home owner's alteration to the structure or property of the housing unit causes damages to an adjacent property, wouldn't that be grounds for legal action. Don't know, since I don't live in England, but I would assume that there are laws that would cover a situation regarding a homeowner intentionally or not, causing current and or future damage to anyone's adjacent property. I don't see where there be laws to cover this kind of BS.
? If the neighbor accidentally or deliberately dropped a hammer from the roof and caused damage to say the other neighbors car, wouldn't the individual who dropped the hammer be liable for any and all damages caused by his or her actions. On this side of the pond we do have laws that cover this kind situation, because we also a$$holes here that are mean spirited and stupid.
I have the exact same thing
The other neighbor probably got sick of his drain getting blocked due to the state of the mossy roof next door
then speak to them.
then i would suggest a meash barrier that allows water through but not debris
Nonsense excuse when you can see there is still moss in the neighbours gutter
You have no evidence on which to claim he's "looked after his roof continuously" other than the fact it looks like it had a clean about 2 years prior
If he was having repeat issues, and knew the cause was the clients roof then he could have spoken to him and mad a common sense offer - the client evidently wasn't against the idea of a roof clean, he'd just probably never considered it an issue - Simply stating "Look my drain is getting blocked up more often than it should because of the wash off from your side of the roof, you need to either put in the kitty for the drains unblocking or sort your side of the roof, here's the number of the guy I used"
@@MissAshlee how on earth do you know they didn't? Given the actions, I would guess neighbour did speak to them, and refused to, until now.
@@PBMS123 if they had, the owner wouldnt have been shocked to see this. and theres never an excuse to do something that could cause property damage to BOTH houses. im sure they couldve reported them for it.
Where properties have shared services, including drainage, there is normally a legal requirement (covenant) in the property deeds to ensure this does not happen, and also to allow reasonable access for maintenance.
That deliberate blockage was a disgrace, but unfortunately some people do have scum for neighbours.
I haven't seen your type of work carried out before. I must say that I was impressed.
Theres a lot of missing context. That roof is absolutely terrible. There is zero maintenance being performed, its covered in so much moss.
If the neighbour thats installed the divider, has spoken to the the other neighbour about cleaning his roof as its blocking THEIR downpipe, and mossy roof guy has refused to do anything about it, then yeah I can understand it. Not to mention if he has had to have the downpipe cleared, what if mossy roof guy didn't pay his share? Theres way too much context missing
@@PBMS123 What part of SHARED don't you understand. If its in the deeds, its not just for one property its for both.
@@Simon-ui6db Yes, but that also means BOTH property occupiers have responsibilities, and one of them has failed in their responsibilities. These are the actions of someone fed up, someone who cannot reason with the other side. And just as hes complaining now, the other guy has probably had his own flooding because of this guy. Being told, and then refusing to do something until it finally affects you, is a deliberate omission as bad as the guy doing that to the gutters in an attempt to stop his place from flooding, and having to unblock the drain
Neighbor was probably tired of the moss breaking free and plugging up his gutters and the downspout. That roof was neglected for years, but the neighbors is maintained.
It wouldn't have been difficult to put in a mesh which would hold the moss back whilst allowing water through though.
@@johnmusgrave3179 about as difficult as it would for them to fix the issue to bein with.
@@johnmusgrave3179 problem with that is the moss instantly blocks the downpipe when you have a grate installed, and if your paying £100's per year for gutter cleaning because your neighbours roof never gets cleaned it really isnt fair either.
@@shroomiestshroom3655 At that point the sensible thing would be to speak to your neighbour (the client) about the issue - The fact this video exists is proof the client didn't have anything against the idea of getting the cleaning done
@@bengrogan9710 so he just didn't bother to? Why didn't he get it cleaned then?
What a devil move to block the gutter. I once rented a townhouse with neighbours constantly up to mischief. So glad to be in a freestanding home now.
Happened to my mothers property - we only found out when we were clearing out her house after she passed away - everything was fine but a few weeks after I noticed a lot of water in the conservatory as the roof was leaking which was a new thing as it had never once leaked. We then realised the neighbour had blocked off their end of the guttering like in the video so the rainwater overflowed onto the consevatory roof & eventually found it's way in as the roof only had a minor rake to it so water collected at a few points.
We got a full new gutter to span the conservatory roof over to the rear of the property that had a drain. What annoys me is they got on really well with my mum so no idea why they resorted to this IMEDIATELY after she had died. They must have had a roofer come out really quickly.
Maybe they didn't want any new neighbours so tried to cause problems with us selling the house or more likely had held a gripe for a long time about the conservatory but waited until she died before doing something about it as my mother would have given them a few choice words had she found out that they'd done it!
I don't know what the law/rule is regarding shared gutter outflow but either way it was fixed & I'm hopeful the new owner has had no problems since, as does the owner in this video.
I am so grateful that we have lovely neighbours. We talk about stuff that needs doing and we share costs where appropriate and foot the bill if it's our respective responsibilities.
Got to admit, if I found that had been installed, I would be gutted...
I see what you did there 😂
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It's downpipe rude
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@@derekcole4949 excellent follow up 🤣
Doing that without saying anything is downright nasty.
Without saying anything or working toward a solution that is agreeable to both homeowners is nasty. But, cutting it out sinks to the neighbor's level.
Even downpipe nasty. Sorry, I'll get my coat.
@@Ddrhl If the neighbor was interested in being a decent person, they would have asked before blocking the drain. You don't install something like that by accident. Remedying the damage someone does towards you doesn't require their permission to be okay.
Not just that it is just pure immature and childish behaviour.
@@Ddrhl really? having see the damage water can do if it is not allowed to drain correctly who is more in the wrong? the neighbor who put the block in is a complete prat.
Great job! I can almost feel a tendonitis flare up just by watching 2,5 minutes in!
Surely an alternative solution would have been to install your own down pipe at end of guttering and installing a sizeable waterbutt, thus gaining advantages of free watering of garden, plus discount from water company for water saved, plus one-in-the-eye for Nasty Neighbour?
Nice idea but you'd need the drainage to take overflow from the butt - the amount of water from a roof even this sized is surprising.
you coulda also just separated the gutters allowing you own to flow freely onto his roof and claim since the grade was different that caused the gutters to separate.
Well done Sid. Good on you for removing that "illegal," unethical blockage on the roof drainage. Great video and thank you for sharing.
Taylor said I love watching your videos I'm from the US in the state of Georgia they'll find them very relaxing and I admire that dedication and the office today in you not only do you make sure that your job is done right but your customers are satisfied and that's a rare quality that you find in people these days keep up the good work and continue with the videos they're awesome
Thank you for the support!!
I'm glad you look out for your customers. In that situation when building the house it should have been built with both ends draining both directions or a clause stating that it goes onto the other person's side. You do amazing work 👍.
love that you removed it! I was nervous that nothing was going to happen :D
Interesting we had a similar problem , we shared a gutter and pipe with our neighbours, our neighbour was very lazy and his guttering would fill with moss and dirt and cause ours to block and overflow,after years of us having to clear his guttering we decided to pay to have ours blocked off from his and our own downpipe put in , so now he can keep his own dirt and water . Problem solved .
So I think it depends , sometimes frustration builds up and that can be why someone reacts the way they do .
Without being too judgemental - Did you ever try have the sensible conversation?
Look the roof is both of ours, but you aren't maintaining your side fairly - its far too easy to let frustration do the talking rather than addressing issues
@@bengrogan9710 yep we tried , but seriously we did not block his guttering , we just had new guttering of our own , his is still in use but it no longer causes us a problem .
I'd say there was history between these neighbors. Only reason this job was done in the first place was because the eave was overflowing onto the first house instead of the second house. Mesh would have been a bit more civil.
@@yvethemetriccrafter688 The situation is not comparable because it's completely reversed.
U cant just demand a neighbour to do something. They might not have the money to do so at the time. Methods could have been done to avoid the situation, like mesh or put in own drainage. Instead, one chose to block the other without some commonsense. But we cant deny, both parties are at fault. I assume 2 stubborn old men behaving badly
I love watching your videos. You are so particular that everything is done correctly. Your work ethics are amazing. You should be really proud of the service you and your helpers provide.
So rude of the neighbor to put in the block thingy in the eves trough. Well done you got it out.
Wish you worked here In Ottawa, Canada. 🇨🇦
Sylvia......
Yeah it’s wise to keep up with maintenance of properties. Keep it light work. You did a good Job 💯💯
Wouldn’t you think that the local authorities should have been informed,that’s got to be illegal.GOOD on you for cutting it out mate you are a legend.
This kind of problem is really caused by the architects/builders penny pinching when they build thse houses. A downspout at each end wouldn't have cost too much when the houses were built.
It also looked to me as if, at the rear of the house the neighbour's extension roof doesn't have a gutter at all and just drains onto your customer's side.
Perhaps there was some dispute about connecting the extension roof into your customers gutter at the rear which led to the neighbour blocking the gutter at the front in retaliation?
Rather than putting a block on the gutter, just install a downspout for them on their side and then it is truly their issue to deal with. Remember if the gutter overfills its going to rot both roofs
@@erikanders3343 Can't do that as there is nowhere for the water to go. In the UK the downpipes have to feed into a drain which connects to a sewerage system. There is only one such access point to the sewerage system for these semi detached properties and its on the side where the current downpipe is.
@@AlexaFaie Horse shiiight. Look up Drainage By-law - WM-4
Part 4 DISCHARGES INTO PUBLIC SEWAGE WORKS
4.1 Prohibited discharges - sanitary sewers
No person shall permit storm water sewage from their property to be discharged into a sanitary sewer.
5.9 No person shall connect a roof water downspout to the foundation drains.
5.10 Roof water downspouts - no discharge to sideyard - damage adjoining property
No person shall direct a roof water downspout towards a side yard in such a manner so as to cause damage or any other adverse affect to adjoining property.
5.11 Roof water downspouts - no connection to foundation drains
No person shall connect a roof water downspout to the foundation drains.
5.12 Roof water downspouts - discharge distance from exterior walls. Every person shall ..
Also you do not write like an Englishman, the terms are sanitary sewer, storm sewer, ect. Please stop making nonsense up when anyone can show you are wrong.
@@AlexaFaie No. In fact new houses almost always use some form of soakaway for surface water (S.U.D.S.) and connecting to combined or surface water sewers is less common (plenty of old houses still do it though on grandfathers' rights).
But you are spot on to say that you can't simply discharge to the ground next to the house without it causing serious problems. In any case, written or not, if the house was built like that then mossy house has a right to discharge water via the adjoined property's gutter, so clean roof house can't just go and install a new downpipe on the neighbour's wall to avoid taking the mossy water.
And seriously, people who can't manage to share a drainpipe and somehow keep it clear between them probably would be better off if we had enough council houses or other serviced lettings for them to rent.
That’s just ridiculous that neighbour looks like he just wants to cause trouble and doesn’t care about any one else. Amazing work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
Sounds like my neighbour, she's an a-hole to put it lightly, accusing us of things we never did, then getting offended when we put her straight to the point where I was getting threats from her visitors, but that's my business, nobody elses, so I won't go any further. The reason I point that out was simple, nothing irks me more than someone who ropes in others to side with them, which is why I dislike the guy who uploaded this video for getting involved. Simply, it's none of his business. Just like any neighbourly drama is between them, and should remain that way.
Handle your business people, and don't be cowards. i.e, getting others involved. Getting others to fight your battles is pathetic behaviour.
But you don't know who the 'bad' neighbour actually is, do you?
do you understand most of the time this people get asked like 100 time to get their guttering cleaned. but they so ignorant, and is only way to deal with this is installing something like this so is stopes blocking your downpipe every time when is rains. stop shaming neighbour and ask question why this person have not clean his roof and guttering for last 10 years
Petty, childish behaviour
@@kurmis999 Its childish to cause damage, even if its neglectful for the other side to not clear the moss. Install a screen if you need to, but that was deliberate sabotage.
music is on point, keep up the amazing work
Respect to Host and Channel 👍✌️🇨🇦
I agree with the customer that's just Petty and looking for problems they did it spitefully so that that's just rude and messed up but hopefully this customer will find the situation that will resolve it for the both of them and they don't continue to keep getting treated this way
I agree!
You're very welcome Sid
All that should be addressed in the original contract that was signed when the property was purchased. If not, there are legal remedies. Totally obnoxious neighbor.😐
Wow. Petty
Should probably report him to the local counsel.
Yay, a Sid vid a day keeps the moss away 🤣
I would like to know the whole story because it looks like the one neighbor doesn't take care of their property
Emphisis on THEIR property. Curtin twitcher.
Also note it actually "looks like" the neibours roof was cleared of thick moss quite recently from the tial colour diffrence...
@@llywelynddraig853 it looks like he actually performs basic maintenance. its looks like the roof was repainted.
What do you mean? The roof is literally being cleaned in this video. They are taking care of it.
@@EgoChip After letting it rot for half a century, I've lived in my house for almost 40 years and never once seen moss build up that bad.
@@krashd Depends on the location and type of roof, I think.
I replaced our soffits, fascia and guttering last year. Whilst doing that I fixed my neighbours guttering as it was full to the brim with spoil and some of the brackets their side were coming away causing overflow on top of the spoil issue. All sorted no fuss and only cost a few screws to sort them and 20 minutes to clear the spoil.
Thats so rude Sid and inconsiderate of the neighbour!! Cheers for helping your customer out. Your customer should make a complaint!
Time laps videos with dance-y music is great! BRING ON THE ROOF SCRAPING RAVE MUSIC!
Thankyou for sharing.
Hard work, you did a great job!
Local council building inspector would be able to review the downspout issue . It will be in the building regulations . Hope that helps the customer. . I had a similar issue with neighbours . Keep up the great work and carry on picking which ever music you like as there is always volume control 😊
Thanks for the help.
@@MikeWilliams-yp9kl Buliding Regs Document H
I actually really enjoy the music he picks, personally, but, yes - volume control exists and he literally can't please everyone, so doing what he wants is best!
Great video sid. Almost certainly the guttering and water run off will be in the house deeds and is likely to be part of the party wall agreement. Neighbour disputes are horrid, your customer is probably best to have a calm chat mentioning that he thinks there's a slight issue and see the reaction.
Bring on the cleaning rave videos all day. Aint nothing like a good track to listen to while enjoying a video 😂
beautiful job mate!
The client you just worked for needs to install another downpipe on his side. One downpipe isn't enough. My house (here in Australia) used to be a govt housing home originally, and so much was weong with it, ie cheaply built & with shortcuts. My roofs were always cascading. I had 2 extra downpipes put in my front side of my new roof (yeah, that & the sewerage pipes were rotten). But, my back roof also has an attached verandah... but only 1 downpipe for both. It always cascades & the verandah gutter is rusted.... and after a year of lots of rain (yeah, Australia has been having a floods all yeah, with the big river in my state about to have it's first peak of two this week). My pavers underneath have gone black & green this year, & stained e everywhere else, too. I've asked tradesmen to fix it, but I got a midway downpipe piggybacking another downpipe - argh! I need multiple downpipes still. Hence why I reckon your client should put in his own downpipe, because the neighbour will only block it off again.
Let me guess ? You’re from Mildura ?
I think your customer needs to contact the local environmental health department. Doing something to your building that risks causing dampness in your neighbours property is generally a breach of environmental health regulations, but this is an odd case, and only a consultation with an EH officer would confirm if they could do anything.
Phil
Direction of water coming off a roof doesn't really land in EH remit. It would have to be legally sorted between each neighbour by checking deeds and easements.
@@nathd1748 neighbours actions have blocked the gutter, the direction of flow is immaterial, the neighbours actions have caused the gutter to overflow when it rains, dampness will occur. In a very similar case EH took immediate action on my behalf
@@philhermetic They might have but if a neighbour digs their heels in it would have to be sorted out legally between two neighbours. Councils not supposed to use public money against private feuds. The Party Wall Act 1996 sets out most issues. Where disputes cannot be solved, they go to court.
@@nathd1748 damp entering a house or building caused by the actions of a neighbour is definitely the responsibility of EH. They will always try to deny responsibility in order to save money, and so they can stay in their nice warm office and drink coffee till five oclock. EPA 1990 states “any situation that is prejudicial to health” dampness caused by the actions of a neighbour is most certainly prejudicial to health. There has just been a case where a young boy died because of black mould in a house, his death caused by EH denial of responsibility. I wonder what part of “any situation detrimental to health “ they didn’t understand!
@@philhermetic Useful to know. Thank you.
Great work 👍🏻
My front guttering would piss rainwater straight down the front wall when there was a big downpour. I live in a terraced house and I get on really well with the neighbour. Well the water would come down right on the property line and my neighbour had not been living there that long. But he did say that a guy came and fixed the guttering a few weeks back. I smelled a rat. I looked up and my guttering used to lead into my neighbours and the down-pipe on their property would evacuate our combined rainwater. Our row of houses are on a slight hill - my property being higher up than my neighbours. It turns out the guttering guy had raised my own guttering and blocked it off. I told my neighbour about it. He said " that's out of order, I'll ring my landlord ". The landlord came out and I pointed out to him that when it rains, both his property and mine could now experience damp cause by his contractor altering the guttering. He apologised and said he'd get onto them. Within half an hour, a new guttering guy came out because the original guy moaned that he'd done the right thing in blocking my side off. The landlord paid the bill and sent it to the first guy. He argued about it for a few days until the landlord told the first guy that if his handywork had caused any damp issues with both properties, he could be forced to foot the bill for both properties. Sometimes neighbours can be a bit arsey - mine isn't, but sometimes it's the contractor cutting corners.
The neighbour on the right looks like he takes more care of his roof and it looks a lot cleaner... The one you're working on looks like it hasn't been cleaned for the last 20-years. The neighbour probably just got fed up of all the crap coming off their roof blocking up the guttering
I agree, so why is he the bad guy?
@@GG-gotr6 Depends.
Did he talk to the neighbor with the filthy roof ?
There is probably more to this story, maybe he asked this guy if they should hire someone to do the entire roof, and split the bill and this guy said no.
Because if you have a problem with your neighbour not taking care of their roof then you go and you communicate..what you dont do is get childish because all that does is make you look stupid!
@@monkeyorchid4081 how do you know they didn't communicate?
@@therunawayrascal because they went to the effort of installing something the other didn’t know about. Someone who is willing to communicate would just get a housing authority to step in instead not divert water flow to not deal with it
In the deeds to a property it will state that it is a shared downpipe not belonging to one person. stating, Joint responsibility & liability
You can pick your friends but not your neighbours
Ive found after a gutter clean out, fitting a hedgehog gutter brush stops moss blockage and lets rain water flow freely.
Love the videos sid would love to get into this over here in northern Ireland but I wouldn't even know where to start tbh
I had the neighbor from hell.....thankfully all my other neighbors were very supportive and when they moved it was a big relief. That neighbor kept dragging us to court over ridiculous county codes. It got to the point where the judge asked these people how man times we had taken them to court. The answer was "none". Then the neighbor tells the judge she is not finished with us. I had to call the police when they started to chop down our fence !!! Anyways, they are long gone. Some people are just nasty and have no clue on how to communicate. Wishing you a merry Christmas and a very happy new year to you and your family.
Sounds like my neighbour. Ripped the fence out then said if my dogs go on to his garden he'll lay poison down.
He is a nasty man,could carry on. But be here all day,it's horrible when you have such an idiot isn't it xx
I'm currently dealing with a neighbour just like this, except he's taken on a whole block of flats and landlords/freeholder. He's a bloody nightmare
On this episode of time for someone's house to conveniently burn to the ground
How did you get rid of those neighbours. I need tips😂😂😂😂😂
@@sedwards536 I think they realized a neighborhood wasn't for them and finally left.
As someone who grew up in attached homes for most of my life, I long for the day when I can buy an unattached home. Keeping the house warm will cost more but oh well.
Me too, one day ricky!
Get the house insulated, really saves on cooling and heating in the long run
Well done regardless of what the animosity is between them. Always nice to fix a potential problem & they might make up someday - life’s too short to be arsey
I for one enjoy your music selection. Tidy job too :)
Great work Syd and Kev. I don't think neighbour is allowed to use such tactics as it's "shared drainage". I'm in similar position but I have the down pipe which I have to pay for as regards replacement or repair. However, any drainage problems under ground is responsibility of water company as it's shared drainage. If neighbour is blocking gutter drainage, then they could face big fees if any underground drainage issues arise as he's stopped shared drain. If he didn't want moss running into his gutter then he only needs to put in a mesh which would allow water run off but not moss. Something I didn't do as it's not that much trouble to get ladders out to clear moss from gutter. Be worth checking with specialist solicitor.
I'd definitely put my own down pipe in and not rely on the not so neighbourly neighbours.
Unfortunately people don't look out for others like they used to do.
Looks like theres no drain on the property without a downpipe, so nowhere sensible to take that water to, could be a really expensive job and would probably involve digging up next doors driveway as well to access the drain their side. Bet that'd go down well!
Excellent job and fantastic company ethics.. agreed the neighbour is very sneaky and that was purposefully placed to block the drainage.
I believe also the moss itself makes the concrete roofing tile weaker. It has some acid to dissolve the minerals in the sand/stones in the concrete and possibly also lime in the cement, in order to get nutrition from the minerals in it.
Oh Sid I'm always with you without even seeing what the neighbor did
Dangerous mentality but you do you
I was looking down the street checking that the neighbour was not on his way home.
Great job guys that’s a bad neighbour to live next door to, glad all our neighbours are fantastic
Hard Hard job!!
Thanks for the upload.
Very shady and very unneighbourly. If I was them I would get my own down pipe added to the customers side. Great job done all the same mate!
I used to live in a semi detached unit and let me tell you, it was a nightmare at times. Never again. But at least we had our own downpipes. The neighbour may have done that to stop the moss from your client's roof blocking the downpipe? Nevertheless, it was sneaky and a bit of communication between neighbours goes a long way. BTW, whose dog digging up the garden was that 🤣?
The trouble is that we don't know the full story, the owner of the house having the roof cleaned may have a history of being awkward to the neighbour, his moss covered roof may have caused blockages in the past and he may have refused to do anything to stop it and there maybe other issues between them as well. Also there may have been downpipes on both sides and the house on the left decided to do away with his and allow his gutter to drain across next door's This does not make what did he right, but there maybe more to this than we are hearing here. If it was built this way there is very likely a clause in the deeds to allow it.
@@colinfaed5910 that was my thought, neighbors roof looks nice and clean. I wouldn't want moss filling mine,
I can understand the frustration though, this was a cost cutting design flaw of these houses. It all works until you have a neighbour who refuses to clean their roof or guttering, then your guttering collects all of their rubbish and thus doesn’t work. The correct measure would be to follow the correct channels, report to the council etc, but I can definitely understand the frustration having been in this situation myself.
The thing I don’t see mentioned is what if the people didn’t have the monies to pay for the roof cleaning. We never know what the other person’s situation is. Plus we don’t know the full extent of the situation from both parties involved. What ever happened to help you community members. Again there could be a dozen reasons behind the actions that were taken even though it ended in a negative way.
@@tanjaseib-almendarez8458 I couldn’t afford to clean my roof and guttering.. know what I did? Borrowed some ladders and did it myself. There’s no excuse for not maintaining your property.
@@balke7935 you do realise most people don’t have ladders these days. You were lucky to find one to borrow. So don’t say “there’s no excuse” because not only could the person not have they money, they might not have the time either. It’s why there’s an entire business where you pay someone else to do it. If a person had the time and equipment to do it themself they would consider it, but most people don’t have the luxury of time to do it
@@capricorncharger518 you shouldn’t buy your house if you can’t afford basic maintenance or a set of ladders. It’s fine if you want to ruin your own house, but in this case said person is legally bound to carry out maintenance that can affect the neighbours house. They are liable for damage caused. I know this because our house has exactly the same setup.
@@capricorncharger518
2 dollar's and your comment can buy you a lotto ticket.
Hello Sid,
I am new to your channel but I would like to say what an amazing job you do for people. I live in a second floor flat and because of the way they built the balconies which look like steps our down pipe doesn't go straight threw the balconies so what ever the tenant's above me put down the pipe comes out all over my balcony and believe me when I tell you I have had all sorts of rubbish and dog poo.
Why is this neighbour doing this to the guttering are these neighbours at war!!!!!
Never attribute to bad intentions what can be attributed to stupidity. Neighbor may be too dense to realize what they've done to their neighbor.
Well done you!!! I know how bad neighbours can be horrendous sometimes. Are the homes private or housing association? If its housing association, surely they can complain. I hope there's no comeback on you Sid. 😏😏
Awesome job
You need a follow up partner to respray the tiles to make them smooth again and easy to clean.
Your customer should check their deeds, it may say about shared drainage and who is liable. Any damage caused by what they’ve done could also land the neighbour in hot water.
Good on you Sid for sorting out the gutter. How could anyone be so spiteful. Well done 👍🥂
Here in the US my husband and I watch old episodes of "Escape to the Country". When the buyers are considering their options, we always yell at the TV "not the semi-detatched!". As Robert Frost said "good fences make good neighbors".
I think you need to read 'Building Wall' by Robert Frost again. It clearly isn't Robert Frost who believed that 'good fences made good neighbours'.
My neighbours guttering is damaged and leaking down their wall. After years of stupid little problems with them including fencing and water run off that I still have to deal with myself I look at it and think to myself ‘oh well’.
Maybe he told his Neighbor countless times to clean his side of roof or to help him clean the roof so they dont have to pay for a Crew to come in and they slammed door in his face.
I know there's some arsehole neighbours out there. I have to wonder if the individual with the mossy roof has had some issues going on, regardless of who is to blame. It's a shitty thing to do if it's just done to be a jerk and I'm no fan of victim blaming. However, I can't help but wonder if there's more to why the neighbour had this done? Personally, to save grief, I'd just put in a separate downpipe if it can access the drain and then, being the lesson teaching lovely that I am, I would be tempted to put an old bird nest into the neighbours down pipe when I knew torrential rain was on its way.
@@annakeye So, you'd fix the cause of the acrimony, then create an entirely new tiff. Smh...
I think I see why he did it (even though it was nasty ) the neighbour probably kept the Moss down on his side and was sick of blockage caused by Moss falling off the other roof. But this can lead to damp on the walls inside the house . It would have been better to explain the situation. But if people don't get on they won't help each other out.
We had neighbours like this years ago .....strange when the gardens all flooded due to a drainage issue we had a manhole in our garden to lift and let the waters drain into .....our garden was not flooded as our house was up an incline ....these horrible neighbours suddenly wanted to be our best friends .....strange I could not think why
that is why when i was looking to get a house i spent a long time looking for detached property, found one but it took me nearly 1,5 years, it was worth it as i like to have peace at home as you never know who will be next door if you getting semi-detached property.
A professional roofer once told me never to scrape roof tiles, there’s a big risk of damaging the surface and making them more porous. Water gets in, freezes and they crack.
He just wanted you to buy more from him
@@heli-man- not at all, I’ve never used his roofing services, he’s a good friend. Obviously a guy selling his roof scraping services isn’t going to admit that the tiles can be damaged 😬🤦🏻♂️😂
If the house owner never cleans his gutter, that means that his neighbor always suffers trash flowing to his side. Pretty smart to divide the gutter and prevent things from flowing his way.
He's intentionally blocking a pipe, he's the one in the wrong here... there is no "his side" when it comes to guttering with integral outflow. It's not smart, it's selfish and petty.
@@SA80TAGE Yes, but if your neighbour ignores you and never clears his pipe, and you do, it means, that all the filth will be coming your way and blocking your side.
@@MrVeryfrost tough shit, they share a roof and gutter, it's one structure, there is no "mine and his sides", only "our roof and gutter". The neighbour has no right to make modifications to guttering, especially ones that block flow and make the problem worse. Stop justifying a petty selfish act.... the fact that you do just shows that you are exactly the same mind set.
Oh and if the house owner never cleaned his roof/gutter then wtf is this video even about? Oh right, the house owner having his roof and gutter cleaned.
gotta do it with a screen and not block it completely if you think doing something out of spite is better than talking to your neighbor. destroying the foundation on his side is not the same as having to clean gutters
@@MrVeryfrost If being the operative there - This here is video evidence that shows the client had no issues with having a cleaning done and likely had never considered it was an issue
Never seen anyone use that tool before. In Australia, the norm is to use a high pressure cleaner to remove all of that moss etc.
Have a similar situation with 1 downpipe sharing 2 house semi. The neighbours have a gutter snake (like a giant bottle brush) but this restricts water flow, so the gutter leaks outside my bedroom. Trouble is it's council rented property and they won't do anything.
I'm not a bitter man but I'd have put all the moss in the neighbors gutter lol. Good on you to cut that, some people really are hateful little people.
haha xD
I'd have just pulled it and placed it on top of their pile in the skip in full view.
Nope... do as Sid did and just remove it, that way the numptie would be none the wiser.
Do as you suggest... bring it to their attention and I've little doubt they'd be up a ladder quicker than a ferret up a drainpipe installing an even larger barrier. Just because they could.🙄
Neighbours. Some times it pays to go fully detached eh. 😉
Rude.....? It is pathetic why on earth would a neighbour be so petty. If the gutter overflowed where the partition was his house would suffer as well. I am so pleased you have a strong moral compass, great job removing the obstruction ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
It seems rude at first, but then look at the 2 roofs. 1 roof is clean, new and kept. The other is covered in decade old moss and not been looked after. They both run down to the drain on the clean sides house so that means all the sh*t on the moss roof will block / clog the clean drain up causing a bill / extra maintenance for the guy that looks after his house.
@@deathslide8 You are right, but would it have been better to talk with the neighbors and explain, what you said, and try to work things out. Plenty of grills/mesh that could keep the moss out. On our last house we were close to a rookery and they used to get the moss off the roof and throw it to the ground, or over the cars. They did keep the majority of the roof clear.
@@thepagan5432 He said it had felt, ie water passes through it
@@robertmartin2262 Yes, the water would go through the felt. What happens when the moss builds up against the felt, it would probably overflow the gutter. It is a pity that the neighbours did not discuss the problem before the felt was added to the gutter. I was born 1955 and as I grew up neighbours would help eachother out, I don't know what changed and when we became less neighbourly, but I can recall a better community spirit, back then. OMG I sound like my parents, but I still believe things have changed.
@@thepagan5432 Well yes, I would just clear my neighbour's gutter at the same time to avoid the moss running my way. BUT I'd DIY it and it wouldn't cost me anything extra, so I suppose it's not quite comparable.
I had a similar thing .... I noticed when my home owning neighbour got someone to work on their guttering that they had altered it so that it was higher on the end away from the down pipe. This meant that when there was a heavy down pouring of rain it over shot the down pipe and flooded over my guttering.
Yeah, they really needed to review their own deed contract...
When I bought my current home in 2020 I wouldn't even consider a shared driveway ... I couldn't imagine a shared roof.
That's a fantastic way to get sued for damage to the property resulting from that.
Who would get sued? the person who posted this video?
Now normally I would see your point , I retired from any paying job but continue to do many volunteer jobs so I’m a person that’s tries to see the good in people. Not knowing the back story and just by looking at the building. It looks to me like the neighbor takes care of his side and maybe has even requested of your customers to take better care of their side. He may have been so frustrated that he reverted to do that or even a previous owner . Just a thought
@@Lucinda_Jackson How many times can the guy with the downpipe side of the gutter be expected to clean the downpipe because it is blocked from the other guys moss, being swept down their when it rains.
He could and should have installed something with small holes so the water could get past, but i would also certainly do something to stop having to clean the downpipe and my side of the gutter, if it was constantly being filled with this guys moss, because he did not maintain his roof.
@@Lucinda_Jackson I dont know if this is the case, just like you dont know if it is not, just saying that its a bit harsh to judge the neighbor when neither of ud know the circumstances.
I live in a different country in My own house that i myself clean the gutters so No i am not the neighbor.
@@Lucinda_Jackson I don't think we can say that for sure.
What if the drainpipe neighbor has asked the other guy to get his roof cleaned as the moss is clogging up drainpipe guy's side of the gutter, and he has had to unclog the drainpipe 5 times because of the neglect of this guy.
There comes a point where i would also do something similar, i would probable make it with something similar, but with small holes for the water to be able to pass, without the moss getting through.
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz The fact that the client was having his roof cleaned seems to counter that narrative quite handily - Many don't realize that moss of a roof can cause issues
The fact we see here demonstrates that when he saw an issue he acted - this feels like a case where the other side had his roof done a few years ago then decided to do this after his drain next blocked up without even trying to speak to the neighbour
@@bengrogan9710 yeah, but it looked like a lot of years of neglect.
My neighbour built a rear extension where we had a shared downpipe right in the middle that they were responsible for. The front one is on my side of the boundary. They built right up to the boundary and dug up the shared soakaway. Saying that their builders would put in a new one. I "temporarily" moved the downpipe inside the boundary myself, because their builders would just rip down anything in their way and throw it in the skip. Trouble is they put in a new soakaway on the opposite side of their garden, and I am now left with a downpipe discharging into thin air.
Neighbour did her guttering and the builder must have explained about the join and we use her downpipe. She instructed the builder to break the guttering. The builder complied but tipped us. I think the builder thought the neighbour wanted some money from us. I was went round all smiles, with the intention of paying £100 towards her work. She just stood there arms folded, and my dying day I will always remember her saying "I 'aint being funny , but isn't it a bit cheeky to use by downpipe". I pointed to the neighbouring houses, and mentioned deeds, but she was not having it The builder did not break the connection. I sent her a letter from my solicitor and surprisingly she hired a solicitor ..... and nothing more was ever heard from her.
My old house had a neighbour's downpipe that was blocked so all the water ran my way. As I used the water to fill my pond, I was very happy about this. Luckily my neighbour never noticed and I never got pulled up on my cheek on using her rainwater.
'I ain't being funny but...' - classic!
There's two sides to every story and I have a feeling the neighbor blocked the drain as a last resort. It looks like the neighbor has looked after his roof continuously while the guy whose roof you're cleaning has never done so. That means the neighbor was constantly having to fork out to get his drainpipes cleaned out of this guys gunk and I'll bet, this guy wasn't going halves on that bill.
This is a proper Legal issue: if it can be proved that the gutter was deliberately blocked and the blocked gutter was to overflow into the property causing damage to roof insulation, plaster, paint, carpet, timbers, etc, etc. Who do you think will be made to pay for that little bit of handy work?
I am persuaded by what has been said so far. The block must have allowed a limited rainfall but enough not to cause issues. The block being to keep moss one side!
Had a neighbour throwing his cut grass over our fence, then flicking his cig ends over and dumping bricks on our garage roof.
Excellent point.
We are considering blocking our neighbours from ours for the exact reason.
@@marcuscoquer5958 Warning, Any unlicensed roof plumbing work that results in property damage could easily run you into thousands if not tens of thousands in damages.
Better to talk to your neighbours and have a second downpipe installed.
Sneaky neighbour ! Well done for taking the divider out mate I’d have done the same seeing as he had the down pipe his side
The neighbour has anticipated bother from the built up moss on your customer's roof.
It's always going to be worse on the north facing side.
I have added copper strips to mine and they have substantially reduced the amount of moss built up. Copper strips are a near permanent solution to moss build up because moss does not like copper sulphate/nitrate running onto it when it rains.
Where did you install them?
I had an old terraced house years ago, a short row of about 5 houses, mine in the middle had downpipes and so did the end house. Its how they were built and thats it. The water has to run somewhere, wonder if they took legal advice on that divider being put in.
Really needed a video talking about cleaning those types of roofs and couldnt find one! Thanks sid. Where can i get that tool? Looks custom built
It’s from spinaclean, google them they supply the scraper and pole plus other handy bits and bobs :)
I was always under the impression that shared downpipes from gutters are located centrally . In this case I honestly think that both properties would have their own downpipe seeing as one of them is located at the neighbours far corner. Makes more drainage sense .
Yep. But anything to save a developer money...
If you don’t like it then don’t buy the house…
@@craigstephens93 And, as has been suggested elsewhere, could be ex-council property and both sides would have been maintained by the council maintenance team in a single visit. Until we started selling the council houses off...
I could never live in such close proximity to others.
Hell yeah! Cleaning video rave!!