Buying RE Himalayan 452 vs Scrambler 400x - Big CONFUSION
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Same confusion I too had. When scrambler booking started, I had no doubt as to which bike to book and I booked one. Then when I got the news of Himalayan launch I started getting into double mind as to which one go for. My confusion aggravated because I I already have 2 street bikes; interceptor and Duke 390. I badly needed an off roader, which is good even on highways.
But the moment I saw Itchy Boot riding Himalayan all my doubts were cleared and I decided to go with Himalayan for sure. That is how I booked Himalayan. Now both in my mind and heart only one choice is left. For now only Himalayan!
Hi bro, thanks for commenting! I have same doubt, to buy either interceptor 650 or himalyan 450 as i didnt chose old him because of low power. My int 650 delivery is in next week. In dilemma if i can cancel, as heart says New Himalayan!❤
For touring long, I would also consider repeatability and the availability of parts.
If I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere with a broken bike, I think the Himalayan would have a better chance of getting repared locally, if an RE service centre is far away.
5:05 regarding low end torque - they have published torque curve, it’s similar to old himalayan but producing more torque than the himalayan throughout the curve. So I think the low end torque will be better than the old himalayan eventhough it’s not long stroke. Will lose the sound though I guess.
Big bear banglore??
How can you compare one bike you have used with the one you haven't?
RE has 21 inch front 17l fuel tank centre stand as standard yet its only 10 kgs heavier, I dont feel its that heavy, fit and finish is better on triumph hands down, overall I belive RE will be better for long hauls and multiday trips, and triumph for weekend rides and once a year long distance maybe, test rides is only the way to clear all the doubts, cheers happy riding
RE = 196 kg Triumph = 179 kg (in europe) 17 kg difference
Very insightful i must say. The points you have raised are very valid. I do want go for Himalayan but the cost of tubeless just seems too high and i can't get this bike without tubeless, it will be a nightmare.
Great to hear this.
I have a 2023 interceptor bought 4 months back, planning to sell it and have already booked himalayan kamet white. My issues are with the pillions comfort and long touring incapabilities.
What are your thoughts on this? should I go or not?
Bro Interceptor or Himalayan?
@@mugamoodi-zv5pr going for Himalayan. Thought interceptor is more capable on good tarmac. Himalayan will do all the jobs keeping me happy all day
@@anshulshankar5758 Thanks for the comment bro. my interceptor delivery date shows next week, not sure if i can cancel at this moment, booked from showroom
@@mugamoodi-zv5pr You can cancel until you pay and it is regiestered. No worries for that.
Interceptor is great machine but it has flaws as well. let the vehicle come, you can hold the vehicle delivery by few days. Take a test ride for himalyan 450 then you can decide. I am going with 450 for sure. already pre booked.
Also for himalayan the waiting period would be long, atleast 4 months, RE delivery and waiting period is shit. I got my INT 650 after 5 months waiting
Thanks for the informative video bhaina. I had a random off topic question - is it possible to convert a single channel ABS bike to dual channel?
Simple difference which matters for a consumer is sales points & service and where RE stand on top of business but triumph has no dealerships in central India…. They can’t survive in India without sales network this is same happening with Honda BigWing… As a brand you have to reach to your potential customers
SCRAMBLER 400X is overall a smarter choice.But small fuel tank size is a let down. Also its seat height is a big let down for short people. And no, "learn how to ride tall bikes" is not a solution. Himalayan 452 has optional 805mm seat too which is not the case with Scrambler 400x.
Well, "learn to ride a tall bike" is indeed very sound advice. My friend (5'8) rides an Xpulse with 845 mm seat (modified). This was his 1st bike and he dailies it.
Nice analysis. Himalayan will win the race if it's priced lower than Triumph Scrambler. The wheel base and weight distribution determines the ease of handling in a bike . The weight distribution is more forward biased in Himalayan compared to Triumph
Value matters vs price. I think Himalayan can be priced even slightly higher and still sell. 2-6-3.0L is my guess
How people haven't realised this yet.. game of RE was never about on paper specifications.
Fantastic video, Bulu bhai! 👌🏻 Very informative.
Bullu Bhai i got inspired from ur interceptor videos and bought one... I m a short rider and i was pretty scared of the weight and handling of the bike but after watching ur videos i bought it and secondly took falls 4 or 5 times but now i m pretty confident with the bike and riding it very comfortably from last 2 years.... Thanks Bullu Bhai for instilling the confidence in riders like me........ Keep doing the good work.. U always inspires....
I know this comment is nowhere related to the video but i just wanted to say thanks to you...
why did you fall so many times man, did you start learning on this bike? I started learning on re hunter and didnt fall yet , 3k km done
@@nirmalyamisra Hunter is a lighter bike, and there is no comparison between 650s and hunter man.... 650s are almost 225 kgs... And the bike has a tendency to fall on corners... Dont know its coz of tyre profile or the 18inch rims... But now i m quite confident on it...
Shumi from motorinc is saying that triumph both bikes has vibration beyond 90-100 km
Is true or shumi is paid by some brands
Well Shumi was blacklisted by Triumph.
@@rohithrajan04 @motorinc please reply
Bulu bhai. I’m from keonjhar.. thinking about triumph over RE. Triumph bbsr is about 160 kms away. But i think overall it is a good bike. I don’t have any existing vehicle. Otherwise i would have gone for the Himalayan. The off-roading heart wants the spokes and the mind settles on alloys…
Don't Go for Triumph the Service quality and the overall behaviour of Bbsr people are not good. I have booked speed 400 and cancelled it and they are now playing with me and it will be a pathetic situation of service bcoz 160 km is more distance.. Personally l feel that I have CB 350 RS in my town no BigWing is here it's a great trouble for me... My openion please go for a bike which service centre near to you... Bcoz kisko kya pata Yeh bike sath kya kya ho jata hai kabhi kabhi 😊
@@rideandreview1713 good to have your opinion . I don’t like the existing bikes of Honda , yamaha or other brands except re himalayan 450 and triumph 400x . I really want the himalayan for those ability. Service centre is near 6kms or so. But I don’t have a existing bike. If i have to choose a singe vehicle with some ability to wander the treks and roll the traffic , that me (5’10”) and my father (5’.7”) both can ride comfortably then i think Triumph is better.
One of my friend has a BMW 310 RR . It’s a awesome bike to ride in highway. Off course even if the service quality is excellent , the serviceability is very less and pricey too.
I’m all the way confused . Didn’t get the test ride yet . If i feel like riding that bike in oblivion then I will get it for sure . If not I’ll dump it over the quality and looks.
@@biswajitbarik1724 Once think bro... RE Himalayan 452 no doubt will be a great choice but it's a pure off roader. daily commute and city ride will not much fun... Par Chalane ko toh koi bhi bike chala sakte hai... My openion is if you manage with 452 then go for it but take time minimum 1 year bcoz we all know when Himalayan 1st gen lunched there are much problems so do be hurry take time and think twice thrice otherwise go for other.. My openion duke 250 2024 will be a great choice
@@rideandreview1713 I’ll have your suggestions in mind. Thanks 😇
If there is a confusion between these 2bike, that mean
1. People have not yet understood about a pure adv vs scram
2. Or people have not understood there requirements yet
BuluBhai enjoyed the nepal videos, but jo apki reise tires wali video thi, Kya apne aur 50-50 ya 70-30 tires test kiye from other brands? Aur agar kiye toh please unke baare mein bhi baat kerein, that would give an overall idea, and if that was sponsered content pls Disclaimer de diya kijiye .Baki love your videos and reviews. Apse badi umeedein hain bhai.
Himalayan 450 has also an option of 805mm seat height as accessory
Abhi lena jaldbaji hogi, after 1 year clear hoga kaun sa bike better hai.
There is no need to confuse becuase of low end torque, sherpa engine produces 40Nm a@5500 rpm and 80% of the torque available just in 3000 rpm. please check the torque graphs of KTM, BMWGS310 and Truimph 400 all are starting from bottom but in Sherpah engine just its high in low rpm.
Confusion between Brand & Reliability... 😊
Triumph is for brand or reliability??
@@Badvibes109 brand, royal enfield off course Reliability
@@ridemylife ok but my friend keeps saying he's done with enfields
I am going to take delivery of SM650 this month
Now i am confused on SM650 and himalyan..
My main confusion is i upgradeing from meteor 350 and i want a ADV but i want twin..
now features wise himalyan have everything i want but engine wise SM650 has 650 cc parallel twins what is want now mujh se jada koi or confused nehi hoga..
Which one to buy? For max city driving and occasional touring?
Scrambler sir
No kidding! Same here. I will wait and watch.
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Bulu bhai , need a major suggestion from you.. i was an Himlayan owner, just sold and booked myself an adv 390 rally version..
So I’m pretty confused that i made a choice or not or should i go for himlayan 452 ?
Bro take a test ride before u buy, adv 390 no doubt is a fantastic bike. But whrn we have options its better explore all n then make a decision
bro the himalayans gonna get the tubeless spokes option im waiting for it to be out and then book
Buying a bike is like an iPhone. You can never buy an iPhone if you sit with a pen and paper ; build quality, durability, service cost, resale value can’t be mentioned on spec sheet. People who buy automobiles comparing specs sheets make a wrong decision.
Bulu bhai, what do you think about the low height of exhaust in Himalayan. They are claiming higher water wading capacity but has gone with short exhaust. I live in a flood prone area where water levels reach 2-3ft. Even cities like Bangalore, Mumbai, etc. are also facing floods these days with water levels going above 3ft. While riding a bike with short exhaust through flooded regions we need to be mindful to keep the engine running. If engine stalls then you are doomed. Many people in my region are buying X-pulse considering it's higher exhaust pipe level. Most of the ADVs I have seen are having exhaust pipe kept at a height. I wonder why RE has decided to keep such a short exhaust in the new Himalayan which is even a downgrade from the existing Himalayan.
The new air intake/filter is a lot higher. Better wading if you know how to ride lol, else, get a dinghy.
@@SrcTrustMeBro I live in a flood prone area where we experience floods every year for almost a month. I have used several motorcycles through flooded roads. One thing I have observed is that higher exhaust pipe is a must have feature for such conditions because if engine stops midway while passing through flooded regions then there are higher chances that it won't start until you drain water from exhaust. So you need to pull the bike through the water till you reach dry ground. I have seen similar issues in Bangalore also during floods. In case of KTMs you can see underbelly exhaust in Duke series for adventure series they have provided higher exhaust pipe. Why they have to do that if it was not an issue.
Sir ap kaha se ho ??
Bulu bhai please fzx pay long ride ka video please
Bulu bhai what about wind blast.
Master points .traction control..old tube tyres..intial engine pickup..
Nepal ka next part kab ayega
Great and purposeful views. Thanks and kudos
Quality issue with RE , how about Triumph ?
No confusion for 2 reasons 1) Himalayan is a bigger, for touring it will be better 2) It has integrated Maps.... WRT to front tyre get the 19" from scram 411... it will take care of that issue of heavy front....
If seat height is the issue then you should defiantly go with Himalayan.
The Triumph 400 Scrambler does NOT compare to the Himalayan it compares to the 411 Scram and Honda CL500 Scrambler
They should have been designed like HIM E
It looks aggressive look
New one front look headlight area compressed not up aggressive
Accha lag hai background to ❤
Thank you Bulu bhaiya... I was thinking ki abhi Honda Hness liya hai all after reaching in May ... Now after launch of these 2 I was thinking ki kya I rushed the decision... But points you mentioned that 5 days city mai chalegi nd Off road in Nepal ... Good road BRO. I am happy with my Honda Hness CB350 with Highway touring
U have bought the correct bike bro
@@BuluBiker ❤️
Gear ratio, wheel size, sprockets , etc also matters and better fuel burning,
Desperately waiting for your ride review ✌🏻
Re's are not reliable and maintainance cost is on higher side, parts quality is poor, better go for scrambler
Mujhe nahi pata bulu bhai ka video aate hi sabse pehla viewer main kaise ban jata hoon hamesha 😊😊😊❤
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Thanx bulu sir for guiding us
You did not mention about refinement, you can ride and then talk about it. Also triumph should Fastrack their Tiger400
What about RE450 Scrambler?
Thank you bullu bhai for paying highest road tax to the karnataka transport department :D
Ha ha bade bhai kya boldiye 😁
Isn't KTM Adv better than both these bikes? But yes, costlier
Bulu bhai please give link to ottocast i need to buy
www.ottocast.com/products/motorcycle-wireless-carplay-android-auto-waterproof-screen?ref=Bulu
Well said❤. Who wants to buy a short stroke Himalayan. Short stroke engine hi lena hai to KTM 390 ADV lo.... it's 20kg or so lighter.
Good.Beneficial thanks dear
Same confusion...but leaning more towards Himalayan.
Go for Himalayan. Rode both of them and it seems Himalayan is much better.
Sound nehi aa rahi he video me bulu bhai
For automobiles professionals standpoint, they might feel that these two bikes are of different segments and the comparison will not be fair. BUT,
For a single vehicle garage mindspace of a regular Indian buyer, the things that you mentioned are the thoughts one will think to put the hard earned money for a buying decision.
Interstingly, if we change the voice in this video with the same words, it will feel like 2 friends talking to each other on deciding which one to buy.
Slight change here, RE will provide 90% of torque at 3500 rpm & full torque at 5500 rpm..
Both are equally good bikes. Both will do decent off roading and are more than decent in city. The deciding factor will be as under:
1. If looks matter to you, go for Scrambler.
2. If you intend to take it long and far, go for the Himalayan.
3. If you are still confused, go for both 😅.
If still confused buy none, save the money - best solution.
Looks wise also , I feel Himalayan looks better😉
Itchy boots has confirmed that now she is riding all new himalayan with a spoked tube which is a pre production unit, once the bike is officially released, it will come up with tubeless tyres.
Yes sir tubeless pukka ayegaekin jaise maine bathaya 50-60k ka cost ho saktha hai
Wait for Xpulse 400 😅
For the things that you love..i.e, Adventure touring..the RE is a better bike for you..but then your luck with RE is legendary..Not your luck alone..almost everyone that gets an RE and uses the bike will experience your luck..their build quality is just shit..but lets hope this updated Himalayan is better..they are trying RE and I want to support them..
Bhai sound kaha hai ??
No confusion its only Himalayan450 no competition people thinking about scram x are naive
Whatever u buy on both one simple advice dont get excited to pre-book😅.
IMO there should not be any confusion. Himalayan 450 is a no brainer
Nice backdrop bulubhai
Himalayan is best bike than Triumph high way performance is better in Himalayan than Triumph
In one line it can be told that Himalayan can do everything what scrambler can do but scrambler can't do all the things that can be done by Himalayan.
Himalayan doesn't have reliability which triumph has. Build Quality , Fit & finish , RE can't match there.
@@jaydeepmahajan6598 Time will tell. I never use any triumph product. I can say honda is more reliable. But about triumph, who can say?
Keep the service centre in ur mind n do the purchase..
I'm going for Scrambler 400.
Tata bye Himalayan.
Design ki laga di!!!
Paisa hi paisa hai Bullu Bhai..dono le lo. jo pasand naa aye wo sell kar dena. simple.
Bullu bhai Triumph le lo. Himalayan aacha hai fir bi go with Triumph.
This competition among brands is good for us. But I'm waiting for the scram 452.
A drag race will clear all the confusions about the engine, if it is worth waiting for scam/roadster 450 from RE. But i am surprised there is none yet on UA-cam, all of this is very fishy.
For the type o riding you do, its a no brainer you should get an RE.
Lovely comparison ❤👍
Bhai is flowing away from RE , RE ka PR team bhai ko sahi se entertain nahe kiya hai 😅
Bulu bhai apke and RE ka purana rista achha nehi hai, ea batt v app yaad rakhna
Triump brand value, fit n finish aur reliability me kahi behtar hai Enfield se
Same here bullu bhai... Confused 🤔
Mai mostly apna purana 411 rakhunga aur scrambler karidunga. Great video as always
Ye b sahi idea bro
Waiting for Scram 450
I am waiting for the Himalayan450 with tubeless tyres
@bullupatnaik there is no voice in the video. Repost it
Sir mujhe tho aaraha hai audio kindly check once n let me.know llplz
Aaa raha hai voice clear and loud
clear aa raha hain sound
May b YT process karne me thoda time letha hai
Dyno test ka graph leke video banaya to samajhne me simple rahega.
Without doubt Enfield because almost 2,000 service n showrooms in all over the country, compared to 23 Triumph’s.
Mr bullu you don't have to worry about the torque the new Himalayan is in fact better, please take ride, stop worrying about the engineering aspect of engine
RE MATLAB VIBRATIONS, let's see to new Himalayan 450.
Bulu Bhai is in the condition to buy Speed 400 and Himalayan
Aap ne toh nai bike hee bana Dali.
Main issue with RE is Reliability....
Jo vi ho Buluvai....dnt go for RE,afterall lyfetime tension nd always trust issue,go for Scrambler 400x awsmm bike sir,feels realy premium😍💯💯😍
😁😂 bro I think abhi thoda better ho raha hai RE
The price will make the best difference!!!
390 adv x vs scrambler 400 x comparison at same price almost @bulubhai
big confusion on language, write the title in hindu if u're going to speak in hindu.
Ok let me try subtitles😁
Royal Enfield Mumbai *TAXI* Colour Combination😂
Himalayan 450 ... You won't regret