I think how a writer handels a overpowered character is a big sign on how good of a writer they are because it means the writer has to be more creative on how they stop the overpowered character from instantly winning.
One thing I will say is that they won’t be able to beat spot by normal combat, there will either be some form of communication or so that stops him tbh
Spot launching himself through Mumbhattan is what made me realize the writers are amazing at using portals. Momentum launching is one of my favorite things in the Portal games, and keeping that momentum to repeatedly launch yourself and stay in the air is one of the coolest things portals can do. It basically allows the user to fly
It’s kind of similar to how Spider-Man swings through the city, except the Spot uses his portals to stay airborne, instead of using webs to swing from a building.
I absolutely loved Spot because he’s the first “scientist turned into a monster during experiment gone wrong” character who actually ACTS like a scientist. He’s constantly experimenting and picking apart the broader applications of his powers over the course of the movie. And unlike every other supervillain (who usually just tolerates having a kryptonite) when he realises he can run out of holes, he quickly brainstorms a way to get rid of the weakness by recreating the accident that transformed him on a much larger scale.
Like, the dude gets thrown into an empty white void filled with portals and his first instinct was to check if there's an echo. And there being no echo implies he's in a space that's ridiculously big or possibly flat out infinite too.
I was super ready for this dude to be a one off filler villain that they only put in the trailers to distract you from figuring out who the actual bad guy is. But not only did the make him the main threat, they made him actually menacing, and really funny. And I kinda felt bad for him when I heard his backstory. They knocked it out of the park with the Spot!!!
“Characters have a tendency to throw their babies into combat” I don’t know why this made me laugh, I think it’s the image of Peter just chucking Mayday at the villains.
Is it weird that I genuinely think this could be a legitimate tactic? "Hold my baby!" "Wait, what?! You can't just bring a baby into battle! That's really irresponsib-OW!" "I know, but she let me land a hit!"
@@TheRealShatterGlass unfortunately eventually the villains would expect it and might even harm the baby. This is also why fake surrendering is generally a bad idea long run
@@Luckanio Fake surrendering, much like throwing a literal baby, is a legitimate tactic, but not necessarily one you should rely on on a regular basis, let alone a good strategy.
@@TheRealShatterGlass Let's also keep in mind, that this is a Spider-Baby. So she has the proportionate strength of a Spider in her veins. So if she does hit a villain, their going to feel something that's way stronger than a love tap.
I feel like the Spot (at least before he became a fucking elder god) might have fallen for that. Dude would be so startled by it that he might be vulnerable to a punch
its about time we've had a character that uses portals in this manner for combat. Ive only ever seen stick figure animations use these type of 'Portal' portals, being able to chain attacks, throw attackers/attacks enemies, increase/decrease kinetic energy, etc etc.
I mean, Wakfu did do something like this already. A french animated series based on the mmo games (correction, sequel to Dofus, Wakfu the Mmo was developed alongside the series). Albeit they are to some degree limited by a lightly defined magic system, the protagonist for exemple can make portals and they do use them with a fair amount of creativity. Then there is the first season villain, spoilers from now on, Nox, who can stop time, and they never really defeat him, his plan just turns out to be doomed from the beggining, and he simple banishes and is implied that he dies of grief at the end of season 1.
@@australianpanda2713 in Infinity War yes, but in other movies they don’t really explore his arsenal to the fullest. Live action will never offer the creative freedom animation does so it’s to be expected.
They managed to make his powered-up form looks like an eldritch abomination that WILL tear down the universe. I'm honestly impressed how terrifying and powerful looking it is. They seriously managed to take a meme-tier one-off supervillain that nobody cared about for decades and turn him into a genuinely threatening and terrifying multiversal threat.
Not to mentjon they literally do show him tearing up the universe in Miles's vision With him absorbing everything in the surrounding area and shooting it all back out in random directions And there’s a deleted post-credits scene of him destroying a bar containing a bunch of suoervillains who previously made fun of him, as a way to properly showcase his newfound power Why they scrapped it and it’s predecessor from the beginning of the movie is beyond me though that would’ve been sick
The "Oh wait, Spot is kinda super powerful and dangerous when used in the right way" did not start with this movie. I remember reading about how in the comics a revived Carnage (I hate how nothing stays dead most times in comics) wanted to become a God killer level threat. So what does he do? He targets low level forgotten Spidey Villains who secretly had busted powers. Take a wild guess who is on that esteemed powers to steal list? Spot was chosen quickly because as pointed out, how the fuck do you stop that?
That bit around 5:50 where Spot is walking towards Miles, twists around and yeets the other spider-people away with his portals and continues walking towards miles immediately afterwards is chillingly amazing
@@ilovkittisncats The glitch part may be intentional, because iirc the devs said the artstyle he was drawn in was supposed to give off “Unfinished draft” vibes, with his sketch lines still being visible and I think a lower frame rate and stuff like that, and that that artstyle would evolve as his story continues
I also wanna highlight how Spot’s motivation stop his ability from breaking the story. We see his portal break some web before he enters the collider, so it’s safe to assume his portals can close in on objects and cut them. So, with that power, he could literally just… decapitate our heroes and win instantly. There’s no external barrier preventing him from doing that. But the reason he doesn’t do that is not because he can’t, but because he doesn’t want to. Spot is sadistic and wants to watch Miles lose everything he cares about, and that’s the only reason he doesn’t straight up kill Miles from the start. The only thing stopping the Spot from winning is himself, which is just such brilliant writing!
He isn't sadistic, he would mutilate his victims if he were. He is *melodramatic.* He has style himself arc nemesissS... so he does everything to be villainous but too squeamish to do the really gruesome stuff. He is like Mr. Nobody from Doom Patrol series where he just wants to gain the recognition of villainy but not really do anything truly ghoulish. Remember he sad he has turn to a live of crime because can't find a job looking the way he is.
@@biocapsule7311 which is implying that those random science adjacent organisations in this world will reject your application on accounts of looking like a Rohrschach Dalmatiner eldritch abomination. Ridicoulous, really.
The spot easily has the least limitations for portal creation I’ve ever seen. Here’s a list of the things he can do with his portals that are usually limited. Overlapping Portals, Moving portals while open, closing portals to cut things, can open portals subconsciously anywhere without physical action, opening portals on occupied space, and of course multiversal portals.
@@suspiciousamogus it is not that he is stupid. It is that he was a science nerd and lost all confidence due to losing his life. Once he realized what he can really do, his scientist side kicked in and he became a monster.
He also cut the web by opening a portal on it, dude has 2 different ways of cutting you in half. Only reason everyone survived was because he was more interested in ruining miles' life than killing anyone, and even that last part is probably gone now that he is basically a void, we even see a frame of that premonition that he is standing in the corpses of several spiderman
The Spot does have one single limitation/weak spot (heh), he can run out of spots, and therefore he can run out of portals. Yet after he entered the collider, he became so full of spots, his body is now mostly covered in black, with just some almost washed out white spots. Would be interesting to see how they overcome this villain, but so far he's been fantastic, yet kinda sad he was so absent in the second half of the movie, but the Miguel O'hara issue needed to be adressed i guess (and that's another fantastic plotpoint btw).
Even then, he used a shit ton of portals in his first fight with Miles and it still took a while for him to run out. He also showed no signs of running out in his second confrontation.
Basically the only way to beat him so far is either an attrition battle that can last weeks or months, or a way to disable his powers, even temporarily, which we have no idea it even exist or is possible to.
I’m not sure if he actually ran out that first time or if it was just a side effect of falling into his own portal. I didn’t really notice them diminishing as he used them.
@@KeitieKalopsia He ran out, as he's running towards miles he was spamming them everywhere and before he fell in after tripping himself his body had no visible spots
The spot is genuinely my favorite character in this he’s just . So good. He’s really damn funny, and it’s cool to see him progress from being kind of an idiot to genuinely terrifying. The fight in Mumbattan is genuinely SO cool he just zips around every which way and i so badly wanna rewatch that scene in slow motion just to get a handle on what’s going on. Also , we must not forget, he’s just a fuckin nerd. He calls the whole collider incident “the creation event” and “the crucible of [him and miles’s] connection.” Nobody talks like that. Nobody but this weirdo scientist with zero regard for lab safety. I love this dude
@@Josuh It's a portal scientist... getting portal powers. There is legitimately nothing more terrifying lmao. It's as if one of the top scientists at aperture got at will portal magic
I think another OP thing about Spot is he also has control over how his portals work. When Miles goes through one he falls for a couple of seconds through this dark void, where he can build momentum and can move and adjust how he'll come out the other side (I'm also assuming this is kind of how he redirected the force from Miles' kick after the "I think he means me" bit). But sometimes his portals work more like they do in the portal games, where the portal just makes something appear out the other side and you're still connected (like when someone tries to punch him and their fist comes out another portal). Or he can make his portals take you to that inter-dimensional white void place. Point is that's another OP thing, you can't always predict how his portals will work so you can't always plan to use them to your advantage/he seems to have total control of the space between his portals as well.
Another scary thing is that he can use them to bisect things like he does with Miles' web before going into the collider beam. So theoretically he could just instantly slice someone in half and kill them, though I doubt they'll actually have him do that
The villains in across the spider-verse are fantastic. Miguel is a super interesting antagonist and the spot is a nice twist on the "superhero starts out weak and pathetic, becomes powerful."
What really got me about Spot being a villain is; unlike most villains who are very realistic and grounded, this person is unrealistic and definitely crazy. At the start of the movie, my opinion of him was like; okay, comedic relief villain, so an Anti-Protagonist? No, throughout the course of the movie, we see him evolve to a Antagonist, and the main one at that. The more we learned about the Spider Verse, the more fear we grasp on the sense of danger the Spot poses. He isn't King Pin with motives to bring back family, he isn't the Prowler who is the Uncle of our protagonist, he isn't the Gargoyle made to do bidding, or even Doc Oc to do science stuff. Spot has nothing that connects him with any reality, and even if he finds himself into a reality that he still exists as normal, he himself cannot do anything about it because of what changed him. And that's the biggest threat anyone would feel, the threat of knowing someone as powerful as him, has nothing to lose.
Spoilers Even the first fight has him escaping Miles trap within minutes of being there, and thesecond only ends when he (literally) kick his own butt means that Mikes never really beat the spot even before his power up. And it done in such a way that both times i was "cool fight representing how Miles relationsips are falling appart (not seeing Gwen in over year, not talking to his parents, exetrera), but who the main antagonistic is" only for him to be one of the two (with the other also being quite fascinating do their motives) is so good.
Even then he was so enraged after recounting his story that his spots went haywire that by the time he had reached Miles and kicked his own butt, the only other spot he had remaining was the one in his face, also probably why his last spot took him into the white void with access to all dimensions - that or having his balls kicked shocked him so hard it resulted in that lol
@@Venom_1462 High Guardian Spice, a shitty cartoon that was doomed from the moment it was revealed to the public. There was probably _some_ amount of potential, but the writers sucked.
Its amazing how after the spot escapes miles into the dimension inside of his portals he realises what he can truely do, and the spider people never land a hit on him again
My biggest problem with portals is when they give them to a protagonist like Dr. Strange, and then they BARELY use them! Or they use them in the most basic and rudimentary ways possible! The way they handled the Spot was perfect!
To be fair Strange has some limitations, he has to slowly repeat a rotation movement for the portal to open up like a spell, he can't do instantaneous shit like the Spot
remember when in MoM (though i doubt anyone even remembers that dumpster fire of a movie) Wong was falling down and he opened a portal that flung him right into a car instead of using portals vertically to decrease his momentum/use it for an attack? Sorcerer Supreme my ass
Finally, someone who appreciates just how op and creative Spot's use of his portals are. I was particularly flabbergasted at how he was playing ring around the rosie with Miles at the indian market and how before he entered alchemax, he dived into two perfectly vertical portals to accelerate and then launch himself like a bullet
I've always thought the Spot had one of the most amazing and OP abilities ever since first seeing him in the animated series. I was surprised that he was looked at as a joke character. I always thought, "do you know what someone could do with those powers?!"
Thank you! THANK YOU!! I've written whole stories about how overpowered portals are! They're insane! *EDIT* Not only that, but he can _move_ portals. That's not common, and takes things to a whole new level.
@@flaredesel3425 Yeah, that little triple KO was insane. I'm pretty sure outputting the spiders from a moving portal to a stationary one added to their relative momentum as well
Moving portals open up the probability of banishing someone to oblivion by simply forcing them in between portals that open up to each other and I love this kind of wacky stuff with moving portals
@@flaredesel3425 last time I saw someone move a portal was Saitama turning one 90 degrees to avoid a punch. How he even held a portal is questionable, but its Saitama I guess.
Super glad to se they've made Spot great again, always thought his power set was underappreciated. DC in particular is pretty bad at making their heroes so overpowered it becomes absurd every time they are put up against anything lower than a universal threat. Like the Flash can move several hundred times faster than the speed of light, has femtosecond level reflexes, can vibrate through things, land several gazillion punches per second, each of them having the force of a supernova, absorb the speed of others around him via Speed Force bullshittery, travel between dimensions... and yet we're supposed to take it seriously when he has trouble defeating losers like Captain Cold or Captain Boomerang.
@@icicleditor Good point. Then again, at least stuff like the DC animated series are their own separate conitnuity, so it's not that bad if it isn't compeltely consistent with the comics.
doesn't Captain Cold's ray gun literally directly counter the Speed Force though? Like on a molecular level? I thought he was kind of an underrated badass. Captain Boomering idk lol. but there's reason Cold insists his gun is a cold gun, not a freeze gun
I think the issue is more the inconsistency and under utilizing his power. Like in the Flash show, he’s seen picking people up and transporting them without hurting them, yet doesn’t do it to the villains. Instead he shows up, talks shit, then they run hit the corner and when he rounds that corner, and he doesn’t see them, stops and radios his team telling them that the bad guy with the ice gun got away from the dude with fuckin super speed. Even with Captain Cold (whom shouldn’t have the reflexes to hit him in the first place)he’s been shown to get shot in the leg with the cold gun and he’s able still move pretty fast, until the next time when he isn’t.
@@nonuvurbeeznus795 yeah but people more intelligent than me ruined simulations that shows comic Barry shouldn’t have trouble literally running across the globe and hitting him in the back before his cold gun can do any semblance of damage. I personally don’t care cause comic books aren’t exactly peak consistency, but is always nice see a power system with a bit more thought into it.
I love how perfect The Spot is for Spiderman, like most spiderman fights you often see him webbing up the villains or surrounding areas to attack the villain. The Spot completely nullifies all of that and pretty much makes spiderman a sitting duck if he wanted.
I think the genre of "joke character turning into an unstoppable force" is something far too slept on, but when done right, can make for the most interesting and exciting characters when on-screen.
thought you were gonna talk more about the clip shown at 5:58 where it shows their their inertia preserved RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL - he rapidly moves a portal to envelop them, and they come out WITH THAT SPEED! lots of things show inertia preserved when the portals are stationary, but showing how the moving portals impose their reference frame onto objects passing through them? gorgeous.
Through out the movie you can see how much better The Spot gets at using his portal's like when we first see him he couldn't use it right away especially when he tried to get the money from the ATM and by the time we see him in universe 50101 he's more competent when he uses his portal's, he most likely got a training montage when he was hopping from universe to universe
He reminds me of Joni Topaki from Everything Everywhere All At Once. He’s trying to gain more power by enhancing his portal powers to reach the multiverse. Which makes him more and more chaotic. So,I think he’s great!
I would’ve loved to see you go in depth into more specific ways he uses the portals early in the film, but this was a great analysis either way. I was laughing and cheering when he sent the scientists out, because it was just such a solid use of his portals
I absolutely love this, the feeling that all the different Main Characters are all serious, have a backstory, and always "save the day!". And then you have the Spot. Random dude who got hit by a bagel and is now a multi dimensional being with unlimited power. It feels so good for a story to actually have a overpowered villian while keeping the story good
The best part is, the Spot really WAS a joke character. Even in the comics, he never gets a serious or major role; at best, he's part of a larger group of badguys. Typically, he's used for his heist-type powers and not much else. I think the most serious thing he ever got into was the Marvel Zombies universe (though I'm not a comics connoseuir so correct me if I'm wrong). The Spots writing in ATSV is basically a direct jab at the comic writers for not realizing the *insane* potential of The Spot when the stakes are upped. It becomes apparent very quickly that a character with instantaneous portals and his own pocket dimension should be considered more of a threat than just a filler goof.
As I was saying all over ATSV videos. Its really impossible for Miles and Spider-society to stop him considering he is fully covered by his own portals/spots. And the fact that he can use a lot of it and yet still be fully covered just makes him over-overpowered. Its like cutting air. The only way to defeat him is to make him use all his spots/portal. Which i think the Spider-society numbers will come handy. And if Spot has contingency plan, something like bringing all villains to Miles universe just to make Spider-society busy. I wouldn't be surprised
Also the limitation that he needs more and more dark matter to keep sustaining his powers is such a fun one and potentially the way they'll defeat him, which would be super explosive and interesting
the DnD movie portals well to. Their portals had a hard limit of site to site, so they had to get creative getting in and that still fail because the portal could not be move after it fell over.
I've never heard of The Spot before this, but I love characters who have means of teleporting and warping because it instantly makes them insane. Minato and Obito from Naruto, Mirio Togata (Not warping but him phasing through the ground gives him mega speed and you can't really stop him)...It's just so cool and I haven't seen the movie yet but I know I'm going to love it.
5:57 When I saw this I thought “Oh yeah, the writers know exactly what they got themselves into, and are absolutely nailing it.” Hell, I rewatched that part of the video again and again because it’s that good. My only question now is: will they show what happens when a portal is opened up in the middle of someone’s body? Will they fall into two halves? They showed Spot can sever a web using that technique. I don’t have high hopes for Miles’ dad surviving. *ahem* now they’re thinking with portals
I appreciate that the writers decided to take an incredibly underrepresented “joke villain” and allow his powers to be fully realized. Even in his original appearance he kicks Spider-Man’s butt, then they just had no clue what to do with him. Allowing the potential of your villains powers to be fully realized makes them that much more intimidating and interesting to watch. And now with his power boost, the dude might as well be a god.
I love the way the spot fights cause it’s exactly how someone irl would try to fight and move with portal powers, like when he’s going through Spider-Man indias and in order to build more momentum he had himself go back and forth between two super short range portals to go super fast
Marvel still kind off didn't redeem themselves as a whole, but this seriously was so good. Like the super villain of the movie had such a weird reason to become a villain, like just because of a piece of bread? I love it.😊
it's not because of bread it's because becoming the Spot against his will lead to being ridiculed for his appearance, losing his job, being unable to get a new one, and his family refusing to look at him, neing called just a villain of the week when he had nothing left was basically the straw that broke the camel's back
@@dooplon5083 thanks for telling me cause I just picked this up from my cousin talking(ranting) about it so I just wanted to add, I didn’t actually know that so thanks for the information❤️👍🏻
@@loke6664 it’s still based on the comics isn’t it? Actually now I’m confused because it was released under sony productions but back to it is still marvel right?(im really asking for validation on this)
@@playfulstar333 big difference here, Marvel oversees their movies, but they can't do that when Sony is at charge. There's a injoke about Marvel's rule of not allowing Peter Parker to grow up in movies (getting married and having kids), something Sony goes greatly against, with Peter B. There are some many aspects in Spiderverse Marvel (and by extension Disney) would've objected. It helps Sony gave Lord and Miller almost complete creative freedom (something Marvel doesn't do these days). hey remember the metacommentary Gunn sneaked into GotG? Pretty much a very subtle yet present vent about how Marvel is a complete manipulative corpo now?
so glad the film/people are finally appreciating the spot and seeing how great a villain he can be used. Like even back at his first appearance where his joke was that despite how powerful he is spiderman could take him out in one punch because he was still just a nerdy scientist before the accident could make for a really cool concept. a villain who is both extremely powerful & dangerous but weak at the same time (a glass canon but with a level of power it's more accurate to call him a glass rail gun) (SPOILERS) also 5:45 I feel part of that is due to the great voice they had for him and how the unassuming nature of the voice works. when the spot is starting out as a villain the voice makes him sound geeky and in over his head, then when his powers grow greater the relaxed tone makes it come off he is so powerful he doesn't need to take anyone seriously then finally when he fully changes the calmness makes him sound eerie and terrifying contrasted with the pure chaos of his body
One media (anime in this case) does Portals ABSOLUTELY well. Black Clover has brothers with Portal Magic and one of the things they can do was send a small circular wisp-like portal straight to an opponent and if any of them touch any part of their body, the projectile will go pass them, cleanly cutting the body off in the shape of the projectile. Its really cool and opens up a bunch of creative ways of using portals as an offensive attack, not just for support.
he's got mild bill cypher energy, you know a being of chaos who doesnt take things too seriously because they know they are just that powerful that they dont have to even try.
I also love the commentary on the common "joke villain" in comics and the subversion of the trope as story progresses. Reminded me of the 1hr long video of the Wall and i cant imagine how pleased the author will be with this character
I love how they didn’t weaken him (the spot) for plot armor and whatnot, that’s exact what a normal person would do if they had all that power. That person wouldn’t hold back lol. I’m glad that the animators didn’t hold back spot’s potential.
Portals are one of the most fun powers. Just getting someone to punch themselves with them is enough for me. If you want a fun way to use portals with a character, an idea I like is the portals being stuck to certain points on the characters body. And they can pick where the portals come out in a small like 10 metre radius around them. So say they’re in a fist fight with someone and they have a portal on their left palm. They have to move their hand to catch the punch to send it through a portal so the person punches themself. Or if the portals are in a really inconvenient spot that they can’t change. Like your armpit. Imagine trying to fight someone but whenever you would expect someone to block or dodge they try and get you to punch their armpit. I think that’s a fun gimmicky way to have a character with portal powers but who’s not ridiculously OP.
The only limit shown so far for the portals is that they use up dark matter and the spot has to grab more from colliders across the spider-verse, they might do something with that in the next movie.
I mean that's only if he uses all of them and doesn't bring them back on his body, which only happened once when spot was unexperienced and barely had control of his portals
In the comics, they sort of balance Spot by having his durability be next to nothing. In his original appearance, Spiderman only landed one punch on him, but that one punch took him out
I think its neat that the Spot can clearly control how exactly the portal function. Some of them have travel time, to build up momentum, while most of the others are direct connection from point A to B
4:20 i also want to talk about _that_ though. the spot ISN'T dumb! he's really not! he literally helped create the collider and had a WHOLE hand in allowing for itsv to happen. he isn't super powerful becauae of his portals, but because of how smart he _is_ and how easily he learned to _utilize_ his portals!
Actually a literal heist in the recent dnd movie revolves around the portal staff thing. They handled its uses pretty damn well with the right kind of limits and how it works.
It’s not like Peter brought Mayday to a fight, he brought Mayday to probably the only place in the multiverse where spider people can be safe. A fight just happened to break out there
Not gonna act like I was a fan of the spot before this movie, but whenever I did hear about the spot I never understood why he wasn't a main villain or more powerful, his abilities are literally stupid powerful.
It wasn’t mentioned in the video, but Spot manages to open a portal in order to cut one of Miles’s webs. This implies that Spot can instakill someone by opening a portal halfway through their body, since he can clearly do the same thing to inanimate objects.
It was a good movie, but it made me feel old. I don't think I ever seen a movie that fast paced, it did scream out "short attention span" like nothing else. I liked the characters but I am not sure "The citadel of Rick's" works for Spider man too, that part of the plot felt a bit weak. But sure, it was a good movie and portal magic is super OP if it makes it possible to create a close to unlimited numbers of portals in a short time. It is certainly a power that should be limited to the main villain, giving it to a hero would screw up the entire story.
"citadel of ricks" for Spiderman? Spiderman being a character with multiverse variants who meet up to stop a cosmic threat is a decades old plot point lmao, it even popped up in the old 90s cartoon at one point (which was almost 20 years before Rick and morty) also you're the first person I've ever heard of say that it moved so fast it felt like it had a short attention span, but to be fair as fast as the plot went the original story being likely over 4-5 hours long kinda explains that rushed feeling you had tbh (they cut the story in half for this film because it was getting too long) Honestly though, I think a hero getting portal powers could work, but at that point you probably have to get *really* creative with your villains and how they handle things which could be a super fun change of pace in story structure. Hell, you could have the hero be the antagonist of the story that our protagonist villain tries to figure out how to beat, could be fun!
@@dooplon5083 Multiverse have been along for a long time in super hero comics, that is true. I think it was DC that invented it already in the 60s so they could run multiple continuities at the same time. I could be wrong though, there were more then a few indie companies as well and Jack Kirby certainly worked a lot in the genre, he did plenty for both the big 2s. But having thousands of the same character in a huge secret base, that is Rick and Morty, no doubt about that. And I think the quick pacing is also inspired by Rick and Morty, they did certainly turn up the speed there. Usually portal powers in heroes are handled by the hero being stupid and not using his powers fully, just like time travel that also screws up most plots. I think those 2 are best avoided unless you really know what you are doing because they tend to lead to a lot of plot holes.
@@loke6664 "But having thousands of the same character in a huge secret base, that is Rick and Morty, no doubt about that." NOPE, that's a marvel thing, which rick and morty copied, i am taking about the Interdimensional Council of Reeds which came out in august 2009 , a full 4 years before rick and morty...
I will say that when I watched it, he ended up running out of dark matter to make any new portals during the first fight. So I’m thinking that either using the machines that they used when the cannon event was interrupted and avoided in order to trap all of his dark matter, or by just enduring the spot long enough for him to run out of the dark matter.
Although he doesn't exactly use "portals", Shimazaki from Mob Psycho 100 is another great example of a character that actually does a good job of showing just how fucking insane teleportation is as a super power.
Speaking of portals ever heard of a show called RWBY? If you have I imagine you are probably cringing right now. Well anyway there’s this one character named Raven whose power basically is portals. Except her power has a pretty damn restrictive drawback. She can only create portals to people she has emotional bond with otherwise she can’t really make portals. Mostly this power basically makes it so that either she can immediately go to wherever her allies are to provide back up or possibly give them a way of escape since she could just create a portal for them to go through her end rather than her going to them. Unfortunately due to terrible writingAnd characterization this power up is almost utterly worthless for her considering how she goes around burning bridges when she really should be basically using and abusing the power of friendship so that pretty much every person she meets and bones with basically becomes a giant portal network for her.
In a way, I'm actually a little bit worried as to how he will be handled/defeated in Beyond the Spiderverse, considering just how overpowered he is now.
I think the only actual way for him to be stopped is either a time travel plot (god I hope that doesn't happen) or if he's convinced to be a good guy. He physically can't be beat anymore because his entire body is just portals so no hits would land, he's one of the most overpowered characters I've seen in fiction.
@@gamingtmans6692 I was thinking maybe they do what was done in the Spot's first appearence in comics, which is to have him overuse his portals, exposing parts of his body for attacks. But, considering how much power he has, I don't know if that would be enough
Big question. Mikes hasn't really been seen to use his Venom shock/Bio shock powers until the end of the movie really. I'm gonna guess that the Bio shock powers are gonna be key to him fighting the Spot. Especially since Venom shock and Venom blast seem to have a bit of a AOE ability meaning The Spit might not be able to send them through portals or the might stun/disrupt his portal abilities
That's a very good video. Me, with my next to nothing attention span, was hooked throughout the whole time span right after I decided that I can't actually be more spoiled than I already am.
I’m willing to bet that his weakness ends up being having too many holes, and when 100% of his body is consumed by portals he just becomes antimatter and then ceases to exist
i wonder what would happen if he throws an object with a portal on it, through another portal. but what goes through said portal comes out of the portal on the object. will the universe just break?
It’s funny cause I’m one of the scenes I thought he was genuinely destroying matter, so I thought his portals could do so much more than he thinks they can, even at the end of the movie
Its doubly impressive how ell they handled the spot given the spot's history in the comics is like a greatest hits album of how not to write this power well.
The thing is his portals aren't as over powered as most other characters with this same power, he seems to have 2 limitations 1. He hasn't used any portals for long distance traveling, even when hopping dimensions he still ends up in a place relatively close to his starting point in New York 2. He apparently has some sort of limit on the amount of powers he can create. While the exact number he can use is clearly extremely high, as we can see by how much he uses his power in the first section, he eventually "ran out" of spots, thus why he goes through the trouble of finding another collider to either remove this weakness or make it so he can make so many that it's not really possible for him to burn through them all despite all this he ends up using his powers in a way that makes him basically unstoppable
Take notes doctor strange
Awh hell nah
Oh, thank you.
Strange really doesn’t appreciate that his portals are bagel shaped.
Spider-Man TAS too fight with this guy. I remember that this episode have good metod to fix problem with him.
damn, i was gonna mention that.
I think how a writer handels a overpowered character is a big sign on how good of a writer they are because it means the writer has to be more creative on how they stop the overpowered character from instantly winning.
This is why I like bill cipher. Dudes one of the most powerful mfs I've ever seen and he was beat in a believable way
@@captaincozmo8529 because good writers recognise there are weaknesses that do not lie in the op characters' power, but their characterisation.
One thing I will say is that they won’t be able to beat spot by normal combat, there will either be some form of communication or so that stops him tbh
@@Bossy369 it definitely is going to revolve around exploiting spot's desire for attention and affirmation
Unless you're One, where your overpowered character wins instantly anyways and somehow your writing is still really good somehow.
Spot launching himself through Mumbhattan is what made me realize the writers are amazing at using portals. Momentum launching is one of my favorite things in the Portal games, and keeping that momentum to repeatedly launch yourself and stay in the air is one of the coolest things portals can do. It basically allows the user to fly
It’s kind of similar to how Spider-Man swings through the city, except the Spot uses his portals to stay airborne, instead of using webs to swing from a building.
YES!!
they understand the physics so well and it shows, such clever stuff, its so cool to see done so well
I especially love 5:24 the infinite falling portals into portal upwards combo
I absolutely loved Spot because he’s the first “scientist turned into a monster during experiment gone wrong” character who actually ACTS like a scientist.
He’s constantly experimenting and picking apart the broader applications of his powers over the course of the movie. And unlike every other supervillain (who usually just tolerates having a kryptonite) when he realises he can run out of holes, he quickly brainstorms a way to get rid of the weakness by recreating the accident that transformed him on a much larger scale.
“Hypothesis: I’m going to put my head in that hole”
-The Spot, 2023
@@OffbrandDTravelerme every Sunday night
@@InsertFunnyThingHere Hol up
Like, the dude gets thrown into an empty white void filled with portals and his first instinct was to check if there's an echo.
And there being no echo implies he's in a space that's ridiculously big or possibly flat out infinite too.
”my holes can take me anywhere”
I was super ready for this dude to be a one off filler villain that they only put in the trailers to distract you from figuring out who the actual bad guy is. But not only did the make him the main threat, they made him actually menacing, and really funny. And I kinda felt bad for him when I heard his backstory. They knocked it out of the park with the Spot!!!
It is indeed *spot* on
Yes
@@_Content-Deleted_ get outta here lol
What getting hit by the Flying Bagel does to a mf.
@@doomslayerchillinginthecof1670 That bagel really hit The Spot
“Characters have a tendency to throw their babies into combat” I don’t know why this made me laugh, I think it’s the image of Peter just chucking Mayday at the villains.
Is it weird that I genuinely think this could be a legitimate tactic?
"Hold my baby!"
"Wait, what?! You can't just bring a baby into battle! That's really irresponsib-OW!"
"I know, but she let me land a hit!"
@@TheRealShatterGlass unfortunately eventually the villains would expect it and might even harm the baby. This is also why fake surrendering is generally a bad idea long run
@@Luckanio Fake surrendering, much like throwing a literal baby, is a legitimate tactic, but not necessarily one you should rely on on a regular basis, let alone a good strategy.
@@TheRealShatterGlass Let's also keep in mind, that this is a Spider-Baby. So she has the proportionate strength of a Spider in her veins. So if she does hit a villain, their going to feel something that's way stronger than a love tap.
I feel like the Spot (at least before he became a fucking elder god) might have fallen for that. Dude would be so startled by it that he might be vulnerable to a punch
its about time we've had a character that uses portals in this manner for combat. Ive only ever seen stick figure animations use these type of 'Portal' portals, being able to chain attacks, throw attackers/attacks enemies, increase/decrease kinetic energy, etc etc.
I mean, Wakfu did do something like this already. A french animated series based on the mmo games (correction, sequel to Dofus, Wakfu the Mmo was developed alongside the series). Albeit they are to some degree limited by a lightly defined magic system, the protagonist for exemple can make portals and they do use them with a fair amount of creativity. Then there is the first season villain, spoilers from now on, Nox, who can stop time, and they never really defeat him, his plan just turns out to be doomed from the beggining, and he simple banishes and is implied that he dies of grief at the end of season 1.
@@miser2570 Wakfu was such a good show and Nox was such a good villain!
@@miser2570 god i love Wakfu, thanks for reminding me why this is my username lol
Dr strange?
@@australianpanda2713 in Infinity War yes, but in other movies they don’t really explore his arsenal to the fullest. Live action will never offer the creative freedom animation does so it’s to be expected.
They managed to make his powered-up form looks like an eldritch abomination that WILL tear down the universe. I'm honestly impressed how terrifying and powerful looking it is.
They seriously managed to take a meme-tier one-off supervillain that nobody cared about for decades and turn him into a genuinely threatening and terrifying multiversal threat.
Not to mentjon they literally do show him tearing up the universe in Miles's vision
With him absorbing everything in the surrounding area and shooting it all back out in random directions
And there’s a deleted post-credits scene of him destroying a bar containing a bunch of suoervillains who previously made fun of him, as a way to properly showcase his newfound power
Why they scrapped it and it’s predecessor from the beginning of the movie is beyond me though that would’ve been sick
@@OffbrandDTravelerI think cause the tone would be very inconsistent than the tone of the ending if they kept it
The "Oh wait, Spot is kinda super powerful and dangerous when used in the right way" did not start with this movie. I remember reading about how in the comics a revived Carnage (I hate how nothing stays dead most times in comics) wanted to become a God killer level threat. So what does he do? He targets low level forgotten Spidey Villains who secretly had busted powers. Take a wild guess who is on that esteemed powers to steal list? Spot was chosen quickly because as pointed out, how the fuck do you stop that?
@@OffbrandDTraveler maybe that'll be in the beginning of the third movie
I am a huge fan of terrifying eldritch being and i still cannot get over how cool Powered up Spot's form is
just.....stunned honestly
That bit around 5:50 where Spot is walking towards Miles, twists around and yeets the other spider-people away with his portals and continues walking towards miles immediately afterwards is chillingly amazing
literally he turned so fast it looked like a glitch 😭 btsv is gonna be CRAZY
@@ilovkittisncats The glitch part may be intentional, because iirc the devs said the artstyle he was drawn in was supposed to give off “Unfinished draft” vibes, with his sketch lines still being visible and I think a lower frame rate and stuff like that, and that that artstyle would evolve as his story continues
exactly, his walking is so creepy
I also wanna highlight how Spot’s motivation stop his ability from breaking the story. We see his portal break some web before he enters the collider, so it’s safe to assume his portals can close in on objects and cut them. So, with that power, he could literally just… decapitate our heroes and win instantly. There’s no external barrier preventing him from doing that. But the reason he doesn’t do that is not because he can’t, but because he doesn’t want to. Spot is sadistic and wants to watch Miles lose everything he cares about, and that’s the only reason he doesn’t straight up kill Miles from the start. The only thing stopping the Spot from winning is himself, which is just such brilliant writing!
Well that's relatable.
He doesn't actually feel sadistic. More so vengful.
Well vengeance does sometimes lead to being temporary sadistic.
He isn't sadistic, he would mutilate his victims if he were. He is *melodramatic.* He has style himself arc nemesissS... so he does everything to be villainous but too squeamish to do the really gruesome stuff. He is like Mr. Nobody from Doom Patrol series where he just wants to gain the recognition of villainy but not really do anything truly ghoulish. Remember he sad he has turn to a live of crime because can't find a job looking the way he is.
@@biocapsule7311 which is implying that those random science adjacent organisations in this world will reject your application on accounts of looking like a Rohrschach Dalmatiner eldritch abomination. Ridicoulous, really.
I head canon that even tho he's evil, he still against killing or something. Idk I just think that'd be cool.
The spot easily has the least limitations for portal creation I’ve ever seen. Here’s a list of the things he can do with his portals that are usually limited.
Overlapping Portals, Moving portals while open, closing portals to cut things, can open portals subconsciously anywhere without physical action, opening portals on occupied space, and of course multiversal portals.
They made him too op so instead of giving him some limitations they just made him stupid instead
@@suspiciousamogusBro got The Okuyasu treatment
@@suspiciousamogus it is not that he is stupid. It is that he was a science nerd and lost all confidence due to losing his life.
Once he realized what he can really do, his scientist side kicked in and he became a monster.
He also cut the web by opening a portal on it, dude has 2 different ways of cutting you in half.
Only reason everyone survived was because he was more interested in ruining miles' life than killing anyone, and even that last part is probably gone now that he is basically a void, we even see a frame of that premonition that he is standing in the corpses of several spiderman
@@thelastmlg2699 just rewatched the scene and damn I didn’t even catch that. He is so beyond busted.
The Spot does have one single limitation/weak spot (heh), he can run out of spots, and therefore he can run out of portals. Yet after he entered the collider, he became so full of spots, his body is now mostly covered in black, with just some almost washed out white spots. Would be interesting to see how they overcome this villain, but so far he's been fantastic, yet kinda sad he was so absent in the second half of the movie, but the Miguel O'hara issue needed to be adressed i guess (and that's another fantastic plotpoint btw).
Even then, he used a shit ton of portals in his first fight with Miles and it still took a while for him to run out. He also showed no signs of running out in his second confrontation.
Basically the only way to beat him so far is either an attrition battle that can last weeks or months, or a way to disable his powers, even temporarily, which we have no idea it even exist or is possible to.
Considering how many Spidermen there are, it may mean he needs to use A LOT of portals. And actually possible to run out.
I’m not sure if he actually ran out that first time or if it was just a side effect of falling into his own portal. I didn’t really notice them diminishing as he used them.
@@KeitieKalopsia He ran out, as he's running towards miles he was spamming them everywhere and before he fell in after tripping himself his body had no visible spots
The spot is genuinely my favorite character in this he’s just . So good. He’s really damn funny, and it’s cool to see him progress from being kind of an idiot to genuinely terrifying. The fight in Mumbattan is genuinely SO cool he just zips around every which way and i so badly wanna rewatch that scene in slow motion just to get a handle on what’s going on. Also , we must not forget, he’s just a fuckin nerd. He calls the whole collider incident “the creation event” and “the crucible of [him and miles’s] connection.” Nobody talks like that. Nobody but this weirdo scientist with zero regard for lab safety. I love this dude
bro is the representation of someone getting portal powers, bro was having so much fun flyin and kickin
@@Josuh It's a portal scientist... getting portal powers. There is legitimately nothing more terrifying lmao. It's as if one of the top scientists at aperture got at will portal magic
Hypothesis, I'm gonna put my head in that hole.
I think another OP thing about Spot is he also has control over how his portals work. When Miles goes through one he falls for a couple of seconds through this dark void, where he can build momentum and can move and adjust how he'll come out the other side (I'm also assuming this is kind of how he redirected the force from Miles' kick after the "I think he means me" bit). But sometimes his portals work more like they do in the portal games, where the portal just makes something appear out the other side and you're still connected (like when someone tries to punch him and their fist comes out another portal). Or he can make his portals take you to that inter-dimensional white void place.
Point is that's another OP thing, you can't always predict how his portals will work so you can't always plan to use them to your advantage/he seems to have total control of the space between his portals as well.
Another scary thing is that he can use them to bisect things like he does with Miles' web before going into the collider beam. So theoretically he could just instantly slice someone in half and kill them, though I doubt they'll actually have him do that
@@Josbird Nah I think they might
Obviously not for an important character, but just to more clearly show that that _is_ a thing he can do
@@Josbird Soooo he seperates things a la the portable black hole from Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
The villains in across the spider-verse are fantastic. Miguel is a super interesting antagonist and the spot is a nice twist on the "superhero starts out weak and pathetic, becomes powerful."
What really got me about Spot being a villain is; unlike most villains who are very realistic and grounded, this person is unrealistic and definitely crazy. At the start of the movie, my opinion of him was like; okay, comedic relief villain, so an Anti-Protagonist? No, throughout the course of the movie, we see him evolve to a Antagonist, and the main one at that. The more we learned about the Spider Verse, the more fear we grasp on the sense of danger the Spot poses. He isn't King Pin with motives to bring back family, he isn't the Prowler who is the Uncle of our protagonist, he isn't the Gargoyle made to do bidding, or even Doc Oc to do science stuff. Spot has nothing that connects him with any reality, and even if he finds himself into a reality that he still exists as normal, he himself cannot do anything about it because of what changed him. And that's the biggest threat anyone would feel, the threat of knowing someone as powerful as him, has nothing to lose.
@Relixification
the only thing he now wants is to be truly miles villain without a single doubt.
Spoilers
Even the first fight has him escaping Miles trap within minutes of being there, and thesecond only ends when he (literally) kick his own butt means that Mikes never really beat the spot even before his power up. And it done in such a way that both times i was "cool fight representing how Miles relationsips are falling appart (not seeing Gwen in over year, not talking to his parents, exetrera), but who the main antagonistic is" only for him to be one of the two (with the other also being quite fascinating do their motives) is so good.
Even then he was so enraged after recounting his story that his spots went haywire that by the time he had reached Miles and kicked his own butt, the only other spot he had remaining was the one in his face, also probably why his last spot took him into the white void with access to all dimensions - that or having his balls kicked shocked him so hard it resulted in that lol
@@JosuhI’m not sure he has balls to kick anymore that’s part of why he’s so mad
II can tell guardian hq was traumatized by how terribly they used the portals in hgs
He was traumatized by HGS as a whole let’s be real
what is hgs?
@@Venom_1462 High Guardian Spice, a shitty cartoon that was doomed from the moment it was revealed to the public. There was probably _some_ amount of potential, but the writers sucked.
Its amazing how after the spot escapes miles into the dimension inside of his portals he realises what he can truely do, and the spider people never land a hit on him again
My biggest problem with portals is when they give them to a protagonist like Dr. Strange, and then they BARELY use them! Or they use them in the most basic and rudimentary ways possible! The way they handled the Spot was perfect!
To be fair Strange has some limitations, he has to slowly repeat a rotation movement for the portal to open up like a spell, he can't do instantaneous shit like the Spot
remember when in MoM (though i doubt anyone even remembers that dumpster fire of a movie) Wong was falling down and he opened a portal that flung him right into a car instead of using portals vertically to decrease his momentum/use it for an attack? Sorcerer Supreme my ass
@@MJelly-yj8kp i wish that movie was never made
Finally, someone who appreciates just how op and creative Spot's use of his portals are. I was particularly flabbergasted at how he was playing ring around the rosie with Miles at the indian market and how before he entered alchemax, he dived into two perfectly vertical portals to accelerate and then launch himself like a bullet
I've always thought the Spot had one of the most amazing and OP abilities ever since first seeing him in the animated series. I was surprised that he was looked at as a joke character. I always thought, "do you know what someone could do with those powers?!"
Thank you! THANK YOU!!
I've written whole stories about how overpowered portals are! They're insane!
*EDIT* Not only that, but he can _move_ portals. That's not common, and takes things to a whole new level.
I hadn’t even thought about the fact that he MOVES portals. Now that you mention it, that is game changing
@@flaredesel3425 Yeah, that little triple KO was insane. I'm pretty sure outputting the spiders from a moving portal to a stationary one added to their relative momentum as well
Moving portals open up the probability of banishing someone to oblivion by simply forcing them in between portals that open up to each other and I love this kind of wacky stuff with moving portals
@@bahajirutmspt436oblivion watching the 7th guy today to suddenly appear in his realm:
@@flaredesel3425 last time I saw someone move a portal was Saitama turning one 90 degrees to avoid a punch. How he even held a portal is questionable, but its Saitama I guess.
Super glad to se they've made Spot great again, always thought his power set was underappreciated.
DC in particular is pretty bad at making their heroes so overpowered it becomes absurd every time they are put up against anything lower than a universal threat. Like the Flash can move several hundred times faster than the speed of light, has femtosecond level reflexes, can vibrate through things, land several gazillion punches per second, each of them having the force of a supernova, absorb the speed of others around him via Speed Force bullshittery, travel between dimensions... and yet we're supposed to take it seriously when he has trouble defeating losers like Captain Cold or Captain Boomerang.
That or he is nerfed to ~lightspeed or less in like, the cartoon runs of Justice League & Unlimited
@@icicleditor Good point. Then again, at least stuff like the DC animated series are their own separate conitnuity, so it's not that bad if it isn't compeltely consistent with the comics.
doesn't Captain Cold's ray gun literally directly counter the Speed Force though? Like on a molecular level? I thought he was kind of an underrated badass.
Captain Boomering idk lol. but there's reason Cold insists his gun is a cold gun, not a freeze gun
I think the issue is more the inconsistency and under utilizing his power.
Like in the Flash show, he’s seen picking people up and transporting them without hurting them, yet doesn’t do it to the villains. Instead he shows up, talks shit, then they run hit the corner and when he rounds that corner, and he doesn’t see them, stops and radios his team telling them that the bad guy with the ice gun got away from the dude with fuckin super speed.
Even with Captain Cold (whom shouldn’t have the reflexes to hit him in the first place)he’s been shown to get shot in the leg with the cold gun and he’s able still move pretty fast, until the next time when he isn’t.
@@nonuvurbeeznus795 yeah but people more intelligent than me ruined simulations that shows comic Barry shouldn’t have trouble literally running across the globe and hitting him in the back before his cold gun can do any semblance of damage. I personally don’t care cause comic books aren’t exactly peak consistency, but is always nice see a power system with a bit more thought into it.
I love how perfect The Spot is for Spiderman, like most spiderman fights you often see him webbing up the villains or surrounding areas to attack the villain. The Spot completely nullifies all of that and pretty much makes spiderman a sitting duck if he wanted.
Guardian HQ not comparing anything to HGS challenge (impossible):
I think the genre of "joke character turning into an unstoppable force" is something far too slept on, but when done right, can make for the most interesting and exciting characters when on-screen.
i love the scene where he stack momentum to jump to Alchemax 5:24. It's so smart.
The spot definetely played portal lol
Funny how he doesn't have to do that, he can just walk through a portal and instantly be there, but he just chose to fly
thought you were gonna talk more about the clip shown at 5:58 where it shows their their inertia preserved RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL - he rapidly moves a portal to envelop them, and they come out WITH THAT SPEED! lots of things show inertia preserved when the portals are stationary, but showing how the moving portals impose their reference frame onto objects passing through them? gorgeous.
Through out the movie you can see how much better The Spot gets at using his portal's like when we first see him he couldn't use it right away especially when he tried to get the money from the ATM and by the time we see him in universe 50101 he's more competent when he uses his portal's, he most likely got a training montage when he was hopping from universe to universe
He reminds me of Joni Topaki from Everything Everywhere All At Once. He’s trying to gain more power by enhancing his portal powers to reach the multiverse. Which makes him more and more chaotic. So,I think he’s great!
Plus, the bagel connection
I would’ve loved to see you go in depth into more specific ways he uses the portals early in the film, but this was a great analysis either way. I was laughing and cheering when he sent the scientists out, because it was just such a solid use of his portals
I absolutely love this, the feeling that all the different Main Characters are all serious, have a backstory, and always "save the day!".
And then you have the Spot. Random dude who got hit by a bagel and is now a multi dimensional being with unlimited power.
It feels so good for a story to actually have a overpowered villian while keeping the story good
The best part is, the Spot really WAS a joke character. Even in the comics, he never gets a serious or major role; at best, he's part of a larger group of badguys. Typically, he's used for his heist-type powers and not much else. I think the most serious thing he ever got into was the Marvel Zombies universe (though I'm not a comics connoseuir so correct me if I'm wrong).
The Spots writing in ATSV is basically a direct jab at the comic writers for not realizing the *insane* potential of The Spot when the stakes are upped. It becomes apparent very quickly that a character with instantaneous portals and his own pocket dimension should be considered more of a threat than just a filler goof.
As I was saying all over ATSV videos. Its really impossible for Miles and Spider-society to stop him considering he is fully covered by his own portals/spots. And the fact that he can use a lot of it and yet still be fully covered just makes him over-overpowered.
Its like cutting air. The only way to defeat him is to make him use all his spots/portal. Which i think the Spider-society numbers will come handy.
And if Spot has contingency plan, something like bringing all villains to Miles universe just to make Spider-society busy. I wouldn't be surprised
I wasnt too interested in seeing this movie but.. now i might have to go just for him lol. Tho i need to know how tf did a bagel turn him into that?
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It wasnt the bagel, but funny to think of it like that
Also the limitation that he needs more and more dark matter to keep sustaining his powers is such a fun one and potentially the way they'll defeat him, which would be super explosive and interesting
Spot really does parallels miles well. Both became something by accident and despite that, they became good at it.
Yess The Spot as a character and the way they utilized his portals were absolutely fantastic in this movie!
The little portal to push the button to turn on the force field is such a small but incredible detail to show just how little effort he has to use now
his limitation is that he needs to get more spots
Honestly the scene BEFORE is what got me, because the way spot walked through the portals was so well animated, I LOVED IT!!!
the DnD movie portals well to. Their portals had a hard limit of site to site, so they had to get creative getting in and that still fail because the portal could not be move after it fell over.
They writing team and the animation team made this man "spot on"
I've never heard of The Spot before this, but I love characters who have means of teleporting and warping because it instantly makes them insane. Minato and Obito from Naruto, Mirio Togata (Not warping but him phasing through the ground gives him mega speed and you can't really stop him)...It's just so cool and I haven't seen the movie yet but I know I'm going to love it.
5:57 When I saw this I thought “Oh yeah, the writers know exactly what they got themselves into, and are absolutely nailing it.” Hell, I rewatched that part of the video again and again because it’s that good. My only question now is: will they show what happens when a portal is opened up in the middle of someone’s body? Will they fall into two halves? They showed Spot can sever a web using that technique. I don’t have high hopes for Miles’ dad surviving.
*ahem* now they’re thinking with portals
this made me realize how underutilized doctor strange's portals were throughout the marvel movies
This was more well spoken and intuitive then i would have expected going in. Take my like!
I appreciate that the writers decided to take an incredibly underrepresented “joke villain” and allow his powers to be fully realized. Even in his original appearance he kicks Spider-Man’s butt, then they just had no clue what to do with him. Allowing the potential of your villains powers to be fully realized makes them that much more intimidating and interesting to watch. And now with his power boost, the dude might as well be a god.
I love the way the spot fights cause it’s exactly how someone irl would try to fight and move with portal powers, like when he’s going through Spider-Man indias and in order to build more momentum he had himself go back and forth between two super short range portals to go super fast
Marvel still kind off didn't redeem themselves as a whole, but this seriously was so good. Like the super villain of the movie had such a weird reason to become a villain, like just because of a piece of bread? I love it.😊
it's not because of bread it's because becoming the Spot against his will lead to being ridiculed for his appearance, losing his job, being unable to get a new one, and his family refusing to look at him, neing called just a villain of the week when he had nothing left was basically the straw that broke the camel's back
@@dooplon5083 thanks for telling me cause I just picked this up from my cousin talking(ranting) about it so I just wanted to add, I didn’t actually know that so thanks for the information❤️👍🏻
Maybe because Sony made the movie, not Marvel?
@@loke6664 it’s still based on the comics isn’t it? Actually now I’m confused because it was released under sony productions but back to it is still marvel right?(im really asking for validation on this)
@@playfulstar333 big difference here, Marvel oversees their movies, but they can't do that when Sony is at charge. There's a injoke about Marvel's rule of not allowing Peter Parker to grow up in movies (getting married and having kids), something Sony goes greatly against, with Peter B.
There are some many aspects in Spiderverse Marvel (and by extension Disney) would've objected. It helps Sony gave Lord and Miller almost complete creative freedom (something Marvel doesn't do these days). hey remember the metacommentary Gunn sneaked into GotG? Pretty much a very subtle yet present vent about how Marvel is a complete manipulative corpo now?
so glad the film/people are finally appreciating the spot and seeing how great a villain he can be used. Like even back at his first appearance where his joke was that despite how powerful he is spiderman could take him out in one punch because he was still just a nerdy scientist before the accident could make for a really cool concept. a villain who is both extremely powerful & dangerous but weak at the same time (a glass canon but with a level of power it's more accurate to call him a glass rail gun)
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also 5:45 I feel part of that is due to the great voice they had for him and how the unassuming nature of the voice works. when the spot is starting out as a villain the voice makes him sound geeky and in over his head, then when his powers grow greater the relaxed tone makes it come off he is so powerful he doesn't need to take anyone seriously then finally when he fully changes the calmness makes him sound eerie and terrifying contrasted with the pure chaos of his body
2:11
oh hey i have that one
5:24
The spot couldn't resist and did what we all did when we played portal.
Blink-and-miss-it details like that make this movie extremely rewatchable
Across the Spiderverse is already Movie of The Year, hands down.
One media (anime in this case) does Portals ABSOLUTELY well. Black Clover has brothers with Portal Magic and one of the things they can do was send a small circular wisp-like portal straight to an opponent and if any of them touch any part of their body, the projectile will go pass them, cleanly cutting the body off in the shape of the projectile. Its really cool and opens up a bunch of creative ways of using portals as an offensive attack, not just for support.
he's got mild bill cypher energy, you know a being of chaos who doesnt take things too seriously because they know they are just that powerful that they dont have to even try.
I also love the commentary on the common "joke villain" in comics and the subversion of the trope as story progresses. Reminded me of the 1hr long video of the Wall and i cant imagine how pleased the author will be with this character
I love how they didn’t weaken him (the spot) for plot armor and whatnot, that’s exact what a normal person would do if they had all that power. That person wouldn’t hold back lol. I’m glad that the animators didn’t hold back spot’s potential.
Another series that is mostly clever with portals is Kid Cosmic, it’s an underrated gem. There’s even a spider man reference
Portals are one of the most fun powers. Just getting someone to punch themselves with them is enough for me. If you want a fun way to use portals with a character, an idea I like is the portals being stuck to certain points on the characters body. And they can pick where the portals come out in a small like 10 metre radius around them. So say they’re in a fist fight with someone and they have a portal on their left palm. They have to move their hand to catch the punch to send it through a portal so the person punches themself. Or if the portals are in a really inconvenient spot that they can’t change. Like your armpit. Imagine trying to fight someone but whenever you would expect someone to block or dodge they try and get you to punch their armpit.
I think that’s a fun gimmicky way to have a character with portal powers but who’s not ridiculously OP.
Damn I never thought about how epileptic people can’t watch movies like this that’s so tragic 😭
The only limit shown so far for the portals is that they use up dark matter and the spot has to grab more from colliders across the spider-verse, they might do something with that in the next movie.
I mean that's only if he uses all of them and doesn't bring them back on his body, which only happened once when spot was unexperienced and barely had control of his portals
In the comics, they sort of balance Spot by having his durability be next to nothing. In his original appearance, Spiderman only landed one punch on him, but that one punch took him out
I saw the trailers and desperately hoped they would actually do portals justice. I was not disappointed in the slightest.
I think its neat that the Spot can clearly control how exactly the portal function. Some of them have travel time, to build up momentum, while most of the others are direct connection from point A to B
4:20 i also want to talk about _that_ though. the spot ISN'T dumb! he's really not! he literally helped create the collider and had a WHOLE hand in allowing for itsv to happen. he isn't super powerful becauae of his portals, but because of how smart he _is_ and how easily he learned to _utilize_ his portals!
Actually a literal heist in the recent dnd movie revolves around the portal staff thing. They handled its uses pretty damn well with the right kind of limits and how it works.
It’s not like Peter brought Mayday to a fight, he brought Mayday to probably the only place in the multiverse where spider people can be safe. A fight just happened to break out there
right but then he brings her again at the end of the movie when they go off to find miles
Imagine accidently making someone turn out as a far above thanos level threat by accidently throwing a bagel at them.
Not gonna act like I was a fan of the spot before this movie, but whenever I did hear about the spot I never understood why he wasn't a main villain or more powerful, his abilities are literally stupid powerful.
It wasn’t mentioned in the video, but Spot manages to open a portal in order to cut one of Miles’s webs. This implies that Spot can instakill someone by opening a portal halfway through their body, since he can clearly do the same thing to inanimate objects.
OKay, i understand, i should watch new spiderman movies.
It was a good movie, but it made me feel old. I don't think I ever seen a movie that fast paced, it did scream out "short attention span" like nothing else.
I liked the characters but I am not sure "The citadel of Rick's" works for Spider man too, that part of the plot felt a bit weak.
But sure, it was a good movie and portal magic is super OP if it makes it possible to create a close to unlimited numbers of portals in a short time. It is certainly a power that should be limited to the main villain, giving it to a hero would screw up the entire story.
"citadel of ricks" for Spiderman? Spiderman being a character with multiverse variants who meet up to stop a cosmic threat is a decades old plot point lmao, it even popped up in the old 90s cartoon at one point (which was almost 20 years before Rick and morty)
also you're the first person I've ever heard of say that it moved so fast it felt like it had a short attention span, but to be fair as fast as the plot went the original story being likely over 4-5 hours long kinda explains that rushed feeling you had tbh (they cut the story in half for this film because it was getting too long)
Honestly though, I think a hero getting portal powers could work, but at that point you probably have to get *really* creative with your villains and how they handle things which could be a super fun change of pace in story structure. Hell, you could have the hero be the antagonist of the story that our protagonist villain tries to figure out how to beat, could be fun!
@@dooplon5083 Multiverse have been along for a long time in super hero comics, that is true. I think it was DC that invented it already in the 60s so they could run multiple continuities at the same time. I could be wrong though, there were more then a few indie companies as well and Jack Kirby certainly worked a lot in the genre, he did plenty for both the big 2s.
But having thousands of the same character in a huge secret base, that is Rick and Morty, no doubt about that.
And I think the quick pacing is also inspired by Rick and Morty, they did certainly turn up the speed there.
Usually portal powers in heroes are handled by the hero being stupid and not using his powers fully, just like time travel that also screws up most plots. I think those 2 are best avoided unless you really know what you are doing because they tend to lead to a lot of plot holes.
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"But having thousands of the same character in a huge secret base, that is Rick and Morty, no doubt about that."
NOPE, that's a marvel thing, which rick and morty copied, i am taking about the Interdimensional Council of Reeds which came out in august 2009 , a full 4 years before rick and morty...
ok but like................ is bro REALLY a loser tho??? I mean bro was a super successful scientist and everything.
THis is where the BRItisH stole all our stuff.
lmao
I will say that when I watched it, he ended up running out of dark matter to make any new portals during the first fight. So I’m thinking that either using the machines that they used when the cannon event was interrupted and avoided in order to trap all of his dark matter, or by just enduring the spot long enough for him to run out of the dark matter.
when I saw this movie I knew that you would be satisfied with the portals
Although he doesn't exactly use "portals", Shimazaki from Mob Psycho 100 is another great example of a character that actually does a good job of showing just how fucking insane teleportation is as a super power.
Speaking of portals ever heard of a show called RWBY? If you have I imagine you are probably cringing right now. Well anyway there’s this one character named Raven whose power basically is portals. Except her power has a pretty damn restrictive drawback. She can only create portals to people she has emotional bond with otherwise she can’t really make portals. Mostly this power basically makes it so that either she can immediately go to wherever her allies are to provide back up or possibly give them a way of escape since she could just create a portal for them to go through her end rather than her going to them. Unfortunately due to terrible writingAnd characterization this power up is almost utterly worthless for her considering how she goes around burning bridges when she really should be basically using and abusing the power of friendship so that pretty much every person she meets and bones with basically becomes a giant portal network for her.
In a way, I'm actually a little bit worried as to how he will be handled/defeated in Beyond the Spiderverse, considering just how overpowered he is now.
I think the only actual way for him to be stopped is either a time travel plot (god I hope that doesn't happen) or if he's convinced to be a good guy. He physically can't be beat anymore because his entire body is just portals so no hits would land, he's one of the most overpowered characters I've seen in fiction.
@@gamingtmans6692 I was thinking maybe they do what was done in the Spot's first appearence in comics, which is to have him overuse his portals, exposing parts of his body for attacks. But, considering how much power he has, I don't know if that would be enough
Big question. Mikes hasn't really been seen to use his Venom shock/Bio shock powers until the end of the movie really.
I'm gonna guess that the Bio shock powers are gonna be key to him fighting the Spot. Especially since Venom shock and Venom blast seem to have a bit of a AOE ability meaning The Spit might not be able to send them through portals or the might stun/disrupt his portal abilities
Oh my god... You watched Mid Guardian Spice? May god bless your soul
That's a very good video. Me, with my next to nothing attention span, was hooked throughout the whole time span right after I decided that I can't actually be more spoiled than I already am.
I really like the guy.
He's a dweeb who's been given great powers and he spends the film learning to use them better and eliminate his weaknesses
I’m willing to bet that his weakness ends up being having too many holes, and when 100% of his body is consumed by portals he just becomes antimatter and then ceases to exist
Wow these portals really hit the spot.
"You have to start thinking with portals"
I see what you did there, you lunatic ;)
EDIT: 2:19 oh there it is lmao
even his theme is terrifying
i think mob psycho 100 season two is another great example of an OP power done well, altho it’s teleportation instead of portals
You remember when he cut the web by opening a portal inside of it? Yea he can cut things in half with portals, probably including people
"especially if the portals have no solid limitations"
That means you yukari yakumo
i wonder what would happen if he throws an object with a portal on it, through another portal. but what goes through said portal comes out of the portal on the object. will the universe just break?
It’s funny cause I’m one of the scenes I thought he was genuinely destroying matter, so I thought his portals could do so much more than he thinks they can, even at the end of the movie
5:58 "Get the frick outta my face, I'm monologuing here!"
The spot definitely steals all his scenes my fav is when he's being chased he goes so fast and shows how quickly he adapted to his powers
So far no one has mentioned Cosmic Fear Garou vs Blast from One Punch Man yet
Its doubly impressive how ell they handled the spot given the spot's history in the comics is like a greatest hits album of how not to write this power well.
The thing is his portals aren't as over powered as most other characters with this same power, he seems to have 2 limitations
1. He hasn't used any portals for long distance traveling, even when hopping dimensions he still ends up in a place relatively close to his starting point in New York
2. He apparently has some sort of limit on the amount of powers he can create. While the exact number he can use is clearly extremely high, as we can see by how much he uses his power in the first section, he eventually "ran out" of spots, thus why he goes through the trouble of finding another collider to either remove this weakness or make it so he can make so many that it's not really possible for him to burn through them all
despite all this he ends up using his powers in a way that makes him basically unstoppable
i love how the spot even uses the classic portal tactic of falling from one into the other over and over and fling himself upwards.