Jocko Responded To My Natty Or Not... My Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2021
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My favorite comment on that video was "Jocko doesn't sleep, he waits."
I saw that too. It's good stuff.
💀💀💀
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It's a good one, but it's also one of the old Chuck Norris jokes.
@@whatisbestinlife8112 right. The list of 100 Norris lines are classic. They fit well w/ Jocko.
*Jocko's Wife:* Jocko I'm pregnant!
*Jocko:* Check.
*Jocko's Wife:* But I was on birth control?!
*Jocko:* No Factor, I would have breached your compound regardless of hostages taken.
This went over a lot of peoples head 😂😂😂😂
Nice dude lol this is great haha
Lol solid comment
"Check" is right on the money !
Outstanding!!!!!
Jocko is legit the spitting image of a military caricature
Yes. He’s a cool guy.
@@theundead1600 you split bread with him?
Literally the picture next to the word soldier lmao
@@theundead1600 Cool guy to undermine Goggins ;)
@@Aalpine001 Really? Tell me more.
when you first see jocko you imagine a brick wall. when you hear him talk you realize he is really open to criticism and new ideas. true warrior
He is totally at ease with who he is and what he thinks without being rigid. A rare human if ever their was one imo
jocko is a meat head
@@michaelbashford2733 Except the fact he won't admit he's on gear lmao. So at ease with who he is huh?
@@thesmartoneification prolly not on gear.
@@thesmartoneification probably not on gear, but I don't really care if soldiers are, in fact I'd rather they do
Jocko's alpha af cranium forced Derek's head to retreat into a hat.
🤣🤣
Your comment made me laugh a lot! 🤣
I literally snorted holy fukkk
Lmfao and bust out the delts in response
Lmao
He’s only on 500 mg of discipline (bullydominate) and 200 mg of ownership (paintolerate)
😂
And 600 Tren (Tren)
🤣😅😅 love this comment brooo!
🤣
😭😭😭😭
Well, that was a positive back and forth podcast discussion. The world needs more of this.
The internet needs more of this
they r on roids
Even if Jocko somehow isn't blasting his podcast buddy is on all of it.
Echo spoke about it in the same video, he said that in his 20s he knew had a friend who was juicing and that offered to hook him up. I believe he was given 2/3 shots, in which time Echo saw no improvement but was willing to keep going with it, but then his buddy had to go away for a while leaving him to do it himself, and he couldn't due to not being good with needles. He's mainly just big because he's got good genetics and has been training his whole life.
@@treecko7424 hahahahahhahahahahha
Hat Derek has appeared again. Reality will begin to fold in on itself.
I felt like a girlfriend not wanting their man to wear a hat except im a dude and im straight.
Maybe he just has a bunch of c-bum in his hair
I think he'd look good in a flat cap. 😄
He's preparing to fight Paulo Costa
got a transplant fo sure
It was great seeing Jocko using the vocabulary Derek used to describe him, “fucking alpha head” being my personal favourite.
same, good laugh for sure!
Ye that was pretty amazing
"Sick cranium bro" was the best one imo
Gigachad Derek vs GigaAlpha Jocko
@@Likeaworm also a great one
Military doesn’t test for gear in large batch urinalysis. It has to be requested specifically from commander because of how expensive it is. They only test for street drugs/ opioids. I knew a bunch of people on gear and didn’t pop during urinalysis.
Apparently dan bilzerian said people were taking steroids even for BUD's
They def dont test for gear at all and even if they do its limited if they test at all
Considering Jocko was ACTUALLY in the military and said they test for them, I’m gonna go ahead and go with Jockos word over yours
@@SASMADBRUV7all combat ops and special forces are in gear. They lie a lot….
@@jackapples1was Marine Corps and Army, they don’t test for gear unless someone dies or major complaint from upper command. Gear is EVERYWHERE in the military. Outside Ft. Liberty a place called “Steers” will get you anything you need.
I'm new to the mpmd channel, and just wanted to say I really appreciate Derrick's approach to dissecting these videos, honest and professional while being friendly and respectful of everyone. For some reason I find it humorous how he uses the word "whilst" far more often than any other English speaking person I've heard 😸
😂 true
Jesus, Derek looking like a make-a-wish kid who wished to have god level delts.
😂👌
LMAO
no way you just wrote that
bahahahha
He did get star-level delts. Its like two heavenly bodies exist on his shoulders.
"Do you even squat, Echo?"
"I mean yeah...something something kettle bells."
"Check, you don't squat."
That's why that video has a million views. Lol
Missed that part but that’s hilarious
Right after jocko talks about how hyped he is to start working if i remember correctly.
hilarious quote and analysis.
One of the best podcast teaser trailers is Echo asking Jocko what Jocko is training for and Jocko responds with "FUUUUUCKING LIIIIFFFE DUDE!" lmfao kills me every time
“I got skinny knees” - echo
Jocko proceeds to die of laughter
So basically
Derek: Jocko obviously on steroid.
Jocko: No, I'm natty.
Derek: Meh.. Don't buy it.
Love you both guys, these little back and forths were wholesome as f*ck, no negativity, just like it should be!
Both of you should just get a podcast session together. It’s pretty refreshing that people can have a respectful reaction back and forth.
Why don’t they just get a room, since they love each other so much… I’m just joshin,; it was nice to see that 👍
What on earth would they talk about? A meathead chemist chasing clout and a decorated Navy Seal commander? Sorry Derek's swimming in Jocko's slipstream.
@@HagakureJunkie A meathead chemist that owns and runs multiple successful businesses... Jocko also said he watches Derek's videos too. They seem like they'd have a decent discussion about starting and running business or similar.
@@HagakureJunkie there’s always something to be learned from each other. You could banter about anything from fitness to just health philosophy, etc.
You never know.
FACTS
“BJJ is the most steroid-ridden sport there is”
*Crossfit has entered the chat*
Bodybuilding...
@@bennymountain1 Yeah, but everyone basically knows that. There's a lot of other sports where the majority of ppl prolly think the participants are all natty, hell, there's ppl that think top strongman competitors are natty. Crossfit is one of the worst in my exp. They're all constantly jerking each other off about being natty
@@theparadisesnare "They're all constantly jerking each other off" - could have stopped there.
He said sports, not competitive exercising
@@GabrielAKAFinn Crossfit pull ups are the best form of entertainment
Was in NSW from 07-14. A two star admiral in the Seal teams working at WARCOM came to my command around 12/13 and gave an entire speech regarding integrity and widespread steroid use at the team's and how the utilization of the needle doesn't make you a better operator. Steroid use is extremely rampant in NSW and to say anything other than that is extremely foolhardy. It was to the point where leaders would give their subordinates a heads up on the "random" piss test that would occur in one month. Furthermore, there are no piss tests on deployment.
You don’t need to give a heads up if they don’t test for it. Seems misleading. What was your job in NSW?
@@johnconner4695 They're clearly referring to the times not on deployment, when they did test.
@Light Bringer LOL competely wrong. If this isn't the best case of misinformation I haven't seen this week.
yeah, just take steroids and have a heart attack in the middle of a gunfight
@@johnconner4695 He was a full time redditor
He never said he hits the weights hard once a day, he said he lifts weights every day, that doesn't mean much.
I’ll laugh my ass off if Jocko reacts to this again.
Derek to jocko to Derek to jocko to Derek
@@dontyouworryaboutit_ Reactception
He will. He's fragile
Infinite monetization loop
It's definitely good content :P
First video - Derek on Jocko
Second video - Jocko about Derek on Jocko.
Third video - Derek on Jocko about Derek on Jocko
Inception
As usual, South Park parodied the absurdity of our society. Still more entertaining than watching the news.
The meta is *blowing up* bros!
@@Thumpr110 Recursion
@@Thumpr110 deltception
I never followed Jocko much in the past, but I watch his response to your video. He seems like a pretty cool guy. Nicely done by both of you.
How Jocko responded says a lot about the kind of dude he is!!, being super respectful towards what you had to say didn’t just shut the conversation down even echo was open about his peds use, it was a great watch and very cool from both of you!!, if only Hollywood would say more about ped’s they use instead of the " I eat chicken & broccoli 3 times a day " bullshit you hear more people wouldn’t have such skewed expectation of what natty or not is really like!!, another great video Derrick as always keep on smashing it bro!! 😎🤙
Echo: “ You’re boy made another video about you calling you out for your reaction”
Jocko: “GOOD”
LOL
''your''
More time to reload, reassess, and get bigger
So in the end, Derek respects him but still believes he is on TRT.
I mean, who wouldn't? And Echo's hemming and hawing saying he only tried a couple shots of "sus-sust-susta-something" 2 decades ago and he didn't even pin it himself is super suspect
He's probably on TRT now for maintenance, but he's been on a lot more than that in the past if he isn't now. It's high time we just admitted what people are using in the military.
@@fufu_from_eso did you not learn anything from this channel??
@@fufu_from_eso The notion that Echo is clean is probably more laughable than anything else.
@@S_225_ It’s pretty simple. When it’s so obvious don’t think everyone else is so stupid that they’ll just believe.
Echo eats trembalonie sandwiches for every meal.
It is awesome to see discourse like this. It’s a reminder on how we all should talk to each other. Both better men than me and inspired to be better at communicating!
Something the Vets are forgetting, Jocko was an officer. Officers tend to have an idealized belief in their troops, where as enlisted have a grounded view.
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He was enlisted before becoming an officer.
Became an officer much later
If anything I've learned from watching the Angry Cops drill Sargeant guy, officers literally couldn't think less of enlisted men.
Jocko was enlisted before his commission
Derek just got another step closer to Rogan. Derek needs to release a life story self serving documentary about why he started doing this channel.
He's said before he's going to do Rogan on psychedsubstance podcast
If he wants to go on Rogan's podcast, he just needs to say that he got myocarditis from a vaccine and Rogan will fly him to Texas in an hour lol
he said in one video before that he's already been invited to JRE he's just waiting for the covid restrictions so he doesn't have to isolate when he goes back to Canada
@@samhu7402 oh nice
he is better than rogan. rogan is a hack.
"It seems wildly illogical.." Yes. That's how the military operates.
Can verify.
The term “Military Precision” always crack me up
@Ryan You boys must be in the canadian army
@Ryan Can confirm. My grandpa died of a heart attack young because he was quality assurance for military gear. He stood between contractors getting their money and the government getting their shit until he would approve something. Super stressful because he was super pressured from both sides not giving a fuck about quality trying to get him to rush things through
Dude I've been watching your vids since you were getting around 7-15k view per vid. It's so freakin awesome to see you mixing it up with these guys. Can't wait until you're on the JRE!
I realize the pulling someone out of combat was kind of a joke - but there is a real concern with being 'Natty' when it comes down to knowing what the "real" capabilities of your teammates are... you just might be temporarily or for an extended period, cut off from your supply. Then, depending on what you are doing - you can end up being a helluva lot more worthless than your 'natty' counterparts until you level out. I really don't care who does what. When it comes down to mission-ready though... I really think it is fine to be hyper selective with testing during training. You've just gotta know, for the very reason mentioned... what are you going to do if you can't rely on your teammate? Anyway, I really enjoyed the back and forth on these - great sports on both sides. Have a good one!
A shot of nebdo lasts for 8-12 weeks, just a thought. There are plenty of compounds one can run where you won't notice any loss of effects for a month or longer. You might not see any more improvement, but you won't see any loss. VigirousSteve has some good videos about this. I'm not saying you don't bring up good points because you bring up great points, but I'm sure this is a solution many military members on gear use.
what r u trying to say
@@jamesdouthat3999 i think hes trying to say that if you put a baby inside of a beautiful woman and then said baby turns out an uggo you wonder what happened
This man is slowly becoming more and more mainstream... I can't wait...
Trust me. You don't want him to be mainstream.
Would be awesome if he sat down in a joe Rogan podcast
@@MentalGains true
I remember 16k subs. wow right
Man you do you really want him to? The channel has already changed a lot since before and it’ll just get more and more different
My brother was in the special operations realm in the Marines and when I asked him about this he said it was generally a squad dependent thing and was all kept between them. They do in fact get dishonorable discharge if they get caught but it has to be someone that actually rats them out with evidence and the higher ups put it all in a balance scale perse to determine if it's even worth the hassle or scandal. I personally have a very good friend that's a Ranger and the only time he was on gear was on actual deployment. In essence it's a known thing that since nothing bad has happened because of it, higher ups turn a blind eye to avoid a potentially huge scandal. There are a LOT of warriors on gear and I personally am glad they are because they need their performance enhanced more than ANYONE in my humble civilian opinion.
Yh I don't see why the military doesn't allow peds. It's not like it's a sport, u aren't exactly cheating at anything and when the stakes are potentially life or death as a soldier, peds can be very useful. And if the health risks are the reason its banned, that wouldn't make much sense since simply being a soldier is a health risk
I was in 2/75 , used gear. All of the ODA dudes juice, they have a gym called “ Thor.” ODA is a green beret.
@@Latinastyles cool. What's 2/75 exactly
@@gaminikokawalage7124 That’s 2nd Batt of the 75th Ranger Regiment. We have 4 Battalions. 1, 2,3, and another one that does more advanced operations.
@@Latinastyles how was your experience, you come away unscathed and untraumatized?
If Jocko doesn’t want people to think he uses gear he needs to get someone other than Echo for his podcasts, because that guy is clearly juiced up
Seriously yeah
Echo does talk about it. The whole point of Jocko talking about this in such a long drawn out way is because he never mentioned it before and wanted to adress all of it at the same time. Getting rid of his co host (of almost 6 years) and a close friend because some people think he is on gear, really?
@@tomthesnake8739 ya like wtf... Echo on juice has nothing to do with jacko or how they run their business.. Echo is a monster though
How is echo on juice? Do you have proof?
Echo is Samoan/Polynesian. Have you ever visited those islands?? I have and those dudes are huge. Absolutely massive. Genetic freaks.
And another thing, Derek you are always very respectful of other people no matter what your opinions about them are you doing a very respectful and tactful way and that says a lot about you my friend because you have enough views and followers to where you could trash people for what they do or don’t do
Hoping for a Derek + Jocko colab on PED/stim/nootropic use in the military, ethics of making "super soldiers" and should the gov approve of their use, and a dive into the history of use in military.
@@S_225_ he's probably 1, trying to protect his boys and 2, wants to be a good role model to avoid people taking based on his say so.
@@S_225_ And you are sure he is lying?
@@S_225_ All i asked was if you're sure. If youve got facts im willing to listen. Or u could just peace out with, "youll see the light eventually" and not elaborate further. Like some mystical PED sage that speaks in riddles and dissappears, lol
@@S_225_ Well maybe I can convince you that you shouldn't go around telling ppl they'll "see the light" on an issue where you don't actually don't have any evidence either. Personally, I don't know if he is on anything, he could be for all I know, but I also don't prematurely form opinions where I know I don't know. If you don't know man, that's all you gotta say.
@@zack49 Nobody is going to draw bodily fluids from Jocko at random, unknown intervals to test those bodily fluids for all exogenous compounds (both known and unknown prior to testing).
I've been in the army for a while. A lot of people in my units take whatever we can to improve performance... Sarms, prohormones, full cycles, etc. They've never tested for PED use because of the cost.
Served as a tier 2 operative in 2 armies.
1 only tested rec drugs during the recruitment process.
The other can test for anabolics as part of the CDT but it was pretty much rec drugs due to cost.
We just used bio identical compounds and passed every test.
Aww man. Currently in the enlistment process waiting for a ranger contract. I really wanna stay natty because enhancements seem kinda dangerous later in life but i don’t have too much knowledge. Is juicing really that common?
Yup. Par for the course. Everyone is using something these days and it's done on the quiet.
@@cewic4909 I'm not saying everyone is on PEDs, it's just common. Vast majority are natural
@Email Email Echo admitted to trying it. Did you not watch the video? Plus, dude is from Hawaii. Have you met Hawaiians? Even all natural they're bigger than even some of the roided out guys in the rest of the country. Some people are just bigger naturally and stay that way longer. It's all genetics.
You need to have a side lateral raise competition with Jocko, to show him who is more Sigma.
Im a fan of both.
Jocko was elite special forces that killed people in a war zone.
Derek got his face broke in a bar fight.
I've known a lot of guys on gear over the years. A good number of my friends were or are using some sort of steroid or hormone for increasing strength and muscle mass. But Jacko really just looks like a 50 yo dude that has stayed in good shape for a long time. He reminds me of my father in law at 50. The dude has always been into lifting ever since his early to mid 20s and didn't stop until he turned 60. I spotted him for a 300lb bench press on his 60th birthday and then after that he was done with lifting for good lol. But he still retains a ton of his muscle mass 5 years later and he does not take anything. Some guys just have good genetics.
steroids
Putting in hours on the weekend. Derek never stops, respect.
@Filthy Casual hits harder than a drunk Mike Perry at applebess at around 3:30 AM.
RIP STEEZ
“Mans gotta eat, same as a worm”
As we say in the military: There's a waiver for everything.
Ha! As long as you don’t tell the VA lol
Haha
Not partial colorblindness when trying to be a seal. Ask me how I know.
Checking for gear is a wholeass other test. Expensive tests. They aren't looking for gear. I damn sure served with a couple guys on the sauce
@@VHBEngines Cedric McMillan is a SSgt in the Army. Im sure he's just 'Army Strong' and definitely not blasting gear to remain competitive as a IFBB pro.
There is this saying. Lean, strong, natty. Choose two. He clearly isn't lean. It's not like he's fat but he has some chunk. His body has been build for literal decennia. He joined the Navy when he was 18 and was training to join the seals before that.
If a ~50 y/o started weightlifting, surfing and BJJ everyday they would get hurt. But he has been doing that since his early twenties. He just maintained.
You can definitely be all three bruv.
@@snakejazz respectfully, no. Now you can from a normal population perspective be both strong and lean. But your not going to be a ripped 8% bf and be very strong. The hormones just aren't there at that point to support it. Strongest for your weight will be ~12%bf. Thats what you see the powerlifters and Olympic weightlifters compete at.
@@megawolfr1986 there's a difference between lean body mass and being absolutely shredded though. Nobody is sub 8% except competing body builders during peak week, and that's more from conditioning than peds. That's not even a part of the equation for 99.9% of people.
20 years of being in the Army and weight training / martial arts is what damaged my body. Far too much wear and tear. I guess Jockman is just built different.
@@burningstrawman2589 guess that getting through buds increases the chance that you are, indeed, built different.
It you both served, hope your proud of that.
Here’s the thing, in 13 years infantry time with 5 years in combat, I’ve never seen more than 10 people at one time using any form or performance enhancers out of 120+ dudes in a company. A friend of mine I lifted with was well schooled in them. I knew each person that was using and they all cycled on and off in a healthy way. No issues ever. He ensured it was never a issue and never worked with people that wouldn’t use correctly. Big point, no where near “a lot” of people used steroids OR TRT. Some of the biggest beasts in my unit were natural. They ate right, lifted right and had great genes. Bottom line, people can use in the military and get away with it, but the population doing so is incredibly small. 5ish percent.
Side note. At one point in my military career I was the guy that handled drug tests for my unit. Commanders had to specially order tests for steroids. The few people I’ve ever seen booted for steroids were found with the steroids and not tested positive for.
That's an interesting contrast, as other vets and actives seem to imply that everyone uses. I'm not from the US and have no bone in this, just going through the comments and yours is the first to claim otherwise.
@@accountantthe3394 I’ve worked directly with 1st/5th Group, 2/75, seal team 2 and with a few JTF. People are using “he said she said” data on steroid usage. I’ve been inside testing facilities, done UPL training and tested SOF units as an outside unit tester or backing up their UPL. A vast majority, over 70% have never used or would use steroids JUST on the career basis argument. All SOF across the board have more money to easily test for steroids where regularly line units have a budget even for testing or a requirement to justify testing. Their are teams (10-12 guys on a sf team or 30ish for a ranger plt) that have a rampant issue for a short time. Those guys get hemmed up quick. People talk about, info spreads, officers and upper enlisted get involved etc, but we are still taking less than 10-15 percent of all SOF/direct combat units that have used steroids.
Bottomline, dude is talking out his ass. I’m late to the party and like MPMD content overall, but don’t use third party info or unspecified data for an analysis on someone’s steroid use, especially a motivational figure like Jocko. Jocko is right on with hey maybe I wasn’t specific enough, but I don’t and won’t use for more performance. Beyond all that MPMD is using this for content, not factually accurate.
@@poolkrooni think about it this way. There was 400k views for this video, 2.3k comments and from the top 25 comments 4 people talking about “my friend/relative knows a person that said this” which is he said she said. That doesn’t equate to a lot of people doing steroids. The most I’ve ever seen in a unit equated to 15% of the unit on steroids. Most are approx 1-2% on a combat deployment, easier to get gear overseas.
I was an 11B in 3/75 from 98-07 and there were probably more guys on the juice than not. We were never tested for any sort of PED because the army knew that the majority of guys would piss hot
@@poolkrooni Lol the fact you believe people on the Internet saying theyre vets shows enough about you 😂😂😂😂😂
It is kinda funny that those of us who are more 'in the know' about this stuff have that perspective: if SF guys aren't taking steroids, they probably should be. And i mean with a legit, military-endorsed program. Why you wouldn't want your dudes to be the most savage mutants on the planet is beyond me.
The heavier someone is, the tougher it is to carry them if they go down, especially with 100 pounds of gear.
You know, cuz of equity, equality and inclusion and stuff
It is becuase people think SF is all about kicking in doors and hand to hand combat, where the relaity the majority of the work is hiking long distance with a heavy load to go and sit in OP for 2 weeks, being jacked doesnt help.
Steroids are very common in special operations lmao
@@Johnny641 Steroids isn't just about being jacked. It's a physical enhancement drug that helps with physical performance as well.
I can’t stop looking at Derek’s ear that is slightly more folded from the hat.
Couldn't avoid imbalance
Wtf same !💀😂😂😂
Lol wtf
yes
It’s not from the hat
I think the argument that a 50 y.o can’t exercise 3 times a day is pretty bad. Most 50 y.o probably can’t cause they haven’t developed the discipline and health to do so. Jocko clearly is the gold standard of discipline and that’s led him to be healthy and probably able to do this naturally.
Yes.
One of my best friends is 52 and has been an athlete his entire life. Runs multiple triatholons a year, exercises every day, and has done multiple ironman's. Definitely not on anything ha just steady training and an active lifestyle since he was a little kid.
Use it or lose it, when you never lost it... You can use it. Think you're right about 50 year olds and onwards tbh. I do think trt is probably a good therapy around that age though tbf.
I'm now 58, yes we can train hard and go hard and compete in runs etc...but I have to be careful regarding heavy weights. I'm weary of my back, my elbows so I left medium and I'm happy. I expect to stay strong at least until I'm 72, unless there injuries and or health issues. I've never taken supplements, maybe I should but I'm too lazy and don't. For me what works is consistent lifting, regardless if it's medium or heavy, consistent jogging regardless if it's one mile or ten or more. Consistency is key, recovery, hydrate, stretch and I enjoy icing. God bless all of us.
Jocko is on Steroids. True story
Jocko's line about not taking gear because he was afraid of getting kicked out of the military sounded pretty sincere honestly
@Xhrisman2012 he was in the seal teams so it might be different
@Xhrisman2012 was that the case when Jocko was in though, ya know "back in the day" lol
@Xhrisman2012 source: “trust me bro” anyone can claim to be anyone on the internet (I’m leaning towards believing Delt Lord for what it’s worth)
Not the most uncommon thing for the military to say something is officially against policy but not aggressively enforce it. The guys who get popped on recreational drugs are typically much less of an asset than guys on gear would be. Even relatively recently fighter pilots have used stuff like amphetamines to keep them alert on 20 hour flight missions
@Xhrisman2012 Facts
Busting out the twins because Derek knows Jocko will be watching now.
I was in the Navy from 99-03 and I used gear almost the entire time. I can tell you what Jocko heard about testing is not true. When I was in they DID NOT test for gear at all. If you get caught using gear in the regular Navy, you will get kicked out. If you get caught in the NavSpecWar community it’s just a hand slap. Unless you get caught multiple times.
What about what Jocko said isn't true? You just stated "If you get caught using gear in regular navy, you get kicked out" that was Jocko's main point and why he never did it.
@@Prodigy_Il they only test and kick you out for drugs that stupify you. Its written in the UCMJ which is military law. Different Commands might have standing orders regarding supplements but that would vary from between the services and their respective commands
@@shark_bones UCMJ
I know little about it but I have a friend who is about to start the Navy training with the hopes of going into the seals and from what he has heard after the training they dont drug test at all practically
@@MorphousInfinity* corrected
I don’t give a shit if jokos on gear he’s still a beast, if he’s on gear he’s even scarier 😂
The guy jocko speaks to in 100% natural as well
This is a great back and forth. Both men are willing to respect one another and elaborate on misinformation to provide a healthy level of clarification. I also love how each response also raises more questions and require deeper insight. I'm hoping for a MPMD/Jocko collaboration where they sit down and discuss not only this topic but other topics that this will gateway. HUGE respect for everyone involved.
is that what it is? like really? its just jocko backtracking a bunch and his friend saying "but even tho you said all those things and you stated your record it wasnt on the podcast so its not real" which is ridiculous, and then its derek pointing that out, but not wanting to cause offense doing so. i didnt really see any elaboration to be honest.
@@tatooine_dream I wonder who has a bigger helmet
What does Jocko have to respect for a side talking PED using muscle head guru like Derek? Seriously?
This is actually pretty consistent with Jocko. Basically this ends up being: "I'm jocko and I strain the limits of being a human. I know I push hard but these are things you can work toward too."
@Alan Laletin oh I think hes not being truthful as well. Did not sit well with me when Derek's initial video was CLEARLY about hormone use for stress management and recovery but Jocko seemed very intent on talking about "I didnt need to get bigger". I'm just saying the picture painted is on-brand
@Alan Laletin What you don't understand is that though your test is decreasing naturally, you can still stimulate test production to combat 90% of it. Jocko eats clean, his diet is super basic, it's meat, veggies, and clean carb. He lifts, doesnt drink, and does cardio. He's not shredded, he's not yoked. He's just a thick dude.
@@Glaedr11 yea he deflected hard!
@@PermanentHigh ur kidding
@Alan Laletin Individuals transcend the "limits" of human physical capacity every single day. Someone always runs faster or lifts more. This is why we keep "records". It's also completely conceivable that he, as an individual, has both less testosterone than when he was younger but simultaneously more testosterone than the average 20 year old.
I think most people who make into into any special operations has a genetic strength to function on less sleep. Being able to function well sleep deprived is a huge plus in the military especially in the elite areas.
Cheers from the Jocko podcast just seeing your channel, thought you were looking for a ghost until about 12:00 when you go back to 2017 where he said he wouldn’t take it “yet” because of testing. I get why you made the video in the first place now. Good video and respect looking into everything the way you do.
I just want Jocko to convince Derek to shave his head for efficiency. Derek’s hairline journey would come full circle.
Can we not just take a moment to see how amazing it is to have two individuals respectfully comment on each other and not get all upset. It’s a beautiful thing.
Indeed. Derek stuck to his guns very politely here.
What's to get upset about, Jocko has parasites on his notoriety every day
@@cdrtej i mean derek was just pointing out the fact its highly likely jocko is indeed on exogenous hormones.
I was with the teams, not all SEALs use steroids, but there are a good chunk who do use them. Military members aren’t tested for gear unless the command specifically requests it. There is a lot of competition in the teams, so at the end of the day, it’s worth the risk for guys, even when caught, most of the time they go to a admin review board and usually get a one time slap on the wrist.
Idk why the military would care. You’d think they’d give their top tier guys steroids to use and people to help them use it properly so they can gain that edge on the battlefield. I’d be all for the edge it provides. But I’m also fairly uneducated on steroids
@@julienwood577 there’s a lot of risk for very little reward. We aren’t competing for who looks the best with their shirt off. Most meatheads wouldn’t last a day in training. Human bodies shouldn’t be put through the stress of steroids. Natural is the way to go when you’re building elite warriors who need to run and hike miles and miles with a hundred pounds of shit
Don Shipley, bro. What's your BUDS class number?
They don't care as long as you are not super loud about it and are good at your job
@@joshhardy5646 Endurance athletes take doping, why do they need steroids if it's just running, swimming, cycling, etc.
Love your work Derek.. Man your subscriber numbers are going gang busters! Nice work
Derek has completely blown up recently. Getting real close to 1 million subs. Subs are getting super physiological.
Yeah, I remember like this time last year he was only around 120k subs or something, crazy how he's blown up this year.
@@hurrhurrmurr yeah it's super awesome because the guy puts in more work on a video than most content creators out there in my opinion.
*Supra
The god-king of delts
I think that Hat Derek may have done something to normal Derek in an attempt to take control of the channel
Hat Derek is an even more dangerous fitness villain than v shred
@@kevinmurphy5878 He too must be stopped
@@jamesk6977 hat Derek and Paulo Costa vs v shred and Jocko Willink
The whole exchange was very productive and respectful great job
New to Derek but love his transparency and to see Jocko respectfully respond and Derek acknowledge that… it’s pretty cool.
Really good behaviour modelling.. gives me hope
Stop being all dramatic.
Jocko: Laughs sardonically to detract from the anabolics usage.
Derek: sigma stare
LOL
TRT For Warriors: Stares in 2.2m With Traumatic Brain Injury Who need hormones to live.
Love that everything from both sides was respectful and that the videos are gaining traction! Hopefully we can see a podcast with both of them on it, would be interesting!
I haven’t slept more than 6 hrs since I was a teenager it’s really irritating. Sometimes I get a little more but it’s rare. I think I have a touch of insomnia. If I sleep past 6am it’s a win to me. I can’t remember my dreams either. That might be the weed though lol.
Derek clearly hasn't seen a Jocko podcast. His podcasts are mostly about leadership lessons and more often than not these are done while reviewing military history book.
I appreciate how fair Derek tries to be, I think one gap that he has though, is he forgets that he thinks like a guy who is on and uses gear. He allows for the possibility he could be wrong of course, so it's not like he's being irrational, BUT some of his "why not" arguments definately are definately influenced by his perspective.
Just like anyone else. But when use is rampant in a certain community and they stand out in that community then it’s hard to doubt. I don’t think he’s on steroids but def not natty
@@jaybar5100 you just contradicted yourself at the end, how is he not natty if he isn't on peds
@@kenpachizaraki3196 he means not undergoing use right now or recently but definitely has cycled before when he was younger
@@kenpachizaraki3196 how so? You are aware that there are other PEDS than steroids?
It's called trt
The pre-podcast thing is confusing unless you are familiar with it already, most of the time it's been Jocko trying to morally crush Echo or make fun of his A/V team's skills. Pretty much gaslighting, but in a somewhat friendly way 🤣 They definitely cut these parts out of otherwise often serious podcast once the guest arrives. 👍 Jocko won't need TRT until TRT is old enough to require TRT 😄
You're right...they both have made reference on a number of occasions about chatting before the podcast actually starts....right?...skinny knees.....
Fascinating analysis Derek, keep surfing this leading edge esoteric information of the fitness industry. Navy Seals training and practices are so instructive and helpful even for civilians to understand how to react to the "fog of war" in making everyday life choices. Makes sense now that you brought out about how effective certain stimulants would be in the midst of a real firefight for the highest stakes. The movie Act of Valor shows you first hand the dangers these Seals face in daunting situations. The river scene in the movie where the Seals work together with precision timing is riveting and makes you appreciate the expertise of these warriors, even if only in a "movie."
Quick side note, if possible, try to discuss doing a case study how an actor after partying etc, would obtain a role say a Zac Effron, and need to get in Marvel Comic "shape" in 8 weeks, how would that process work and what types of meds etc would trainer/physician have Zac on to pull off the role. Just to have an idea of how effective these hormones are and how fast acting and how body reacts etc. when convenient for you. All the best for your new much deserved "massive success." Your passion is a testament to the sublime words of philosopher Joseph Campbell that to find real success in life/business you should "...follow your bliss."
Great vid. I like Jocko's platform and what he stands for. Well balanced response, salute
I appreciate that these back and forths have a level of respect. All other dudes doing natty or nots don't know how to present a compelling argument and reek of self-consciousness
I was in Regular Army Units that deployed (2ACR, 3ID, 3ACR) between 2004-2010 and we had some soldiers (a few) that used steroids and admitted to it. I remember we got drug tested (pot, opioids, cocaine) and when anyone popped hot we were told. I do not remember ever being told someone popped for PED's or anyone getting Article 13'd or court-martialed/kicked-out for steroids. I can sympathize with Jocko because I was a stocky guy who ate a lot and lifted and walked around at 220-230 (natural). Some of the juicers asked me if I juiced or where I "got mine" after they saw me squat or deadlift. I'm 50, can definitely still squat 405 x 10 and no TRT or steroids required. Muscles you've had for 30 years do not instantly disappear at 50.
I do think that is the case with plenty of people with decent genes, work ethic consistency ect but I think in Jocko's case as some one who's trained in the MMA BJJ world for years along with everyone he's affiliated with I would wager he's on some type of gear, prob not blasting anything to some absurd amount but has probably dabbled in the anabolic pool I just wish people would be more open so the general population could be more educated
My father I like, he is like 6'5. Still strong as a monster.
The biggest reason I would never take gear is because I'm in the military and sometimes during training and deployment its impossible or very hard to get regular items mailed out or brought out let alone medication that isn't prescribed.
Always great content. Thanks Derek.
Derek is just so knowledgeable his knowledge is legit - I actually follow up and read medical papers and they all confirm the stuff this guy says - really quality channel - have subscribed but must remember to thumbs up
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This sounds so phony lol
@@axeldiaz7960 agree it does sound phone just trying to give the guy some respect
Offcourse you do you charlatan
It's probably because he is reading them from studies. You do a couple cycles and google steroids long enough, you will have enough knowledge to compete with his.
Otherwise I don't think he's actually very competent. I mean we are talking about a guy who is heavily invested in anti-aging stuff and still manages to look older than his actual age. 🤷♀️
i was never around so much gear until i joined the military lol Jocko knows that this shit is not tested for smh
Finally! I reaction video to a reaction video that I both wanted to watch and still respected both parties after watching it.
9:30 that 16 minute video on Jockos channel is behind the scene stuff. They tell that is behind the scene stuff in their podcast, but it is normally after like 2 hours of the podcast. So they do tell that it is not the podcast, but if you are a new watcher/listener it is hard to tell if its part of the podcast
They don't test in the military. They supposedly test only 4 members from all branches of service, or if the command asks for it, but I've never seen it happen before. The standard urinalysis drug test doesn't test for anabolic steroids. And I know loads of guys that did it and everybody knew but nobody ever got tested
when I was at Bragg All American 7 was a roidy Mcgoo. You can see striations through his fucking PT shirt. NO the military doesn't test for that shit lmao
I'm happy to see Derek close to a million subs but the ammount of effort and info he puts in deserves more subs. Let's spam this stuff and blow up the algorithm.
"The amount of effort he puts in"
Mate, I like Derek as much as the next guy but his vids are as low production value as it gets. And he knows this well
Agreed
@@S_225_ thats a bit conspiratorial. It just takes a long time to grow a channel
Derek should make a solider stack vid
I was accused of being on steroids the entire last half of my time in Service, and for several years afterwards. (100% clean btw)
I was pretty built, and I was working out HAAARD, 2 times a day. My big secret...
1) I was mentally unstable... ADHD, multiple-personality disorder, persistent depressive disorder (dysthymia) with anxious distress...
2) I wanted to stay away from trouble. No pre-marital sex, no excessive drinking, no drugs, so I LIVED at the gym with my time off, or I would jump rope for 2 hours sometimes.
Definitely more stable now, but I definitely look a lot more normal now too. lol I guess it's a fair trade.
Context of "setting up the podcast" content:
On Jocko podcast he does a lot of book reviews and takes on guests with quite the history, with meticulous note taking with everything. It's going through multiple fiction and non fiction books with detailed notes, being able to discuss those topics extensively.
So that's what Echo was saying about getting the numbers right if they were discussing lifting records on the podcast. If it's "actual" podcast content, it's more structured because usually they discuss serious topics, and you can actually see Jocko going through page after page of notes of talking points through multi-hour podcast episodes.
To add, IIRC on Joe Rogan, Rogan said that Jocko was one of the first guests he had on with a bunch of notes and pens prepared.
So, that content was most likely not "official" podcast content.
And 90% of people would not be able to tell that. Its not obvious and kinda irrelevant.
I think Jocko stands to lose too much if he comes out saying he's not natural, his whole thing is that he sets the standard by example and if his example isn't attainable without steroids it undermines his "brand".
Guys like Derek and coach Greg are making money from us BECAUSE they are open about it. That won't happen for Jocko.
What sets Jocko apart was completely decided by him choosing his parents wisely, He looks very strong and determined, plus he has the real world attainments. Jocko is someone who could stop training and still be inspirational. Derek not at all.
@@seancidy6008 whilst he’s obviously a genetic phenom, the majority of people won’t view it that way. People will think ‘oh he’s on gear so this isn’t applicable to me’. It is BECAUSE he appears natural to most of his fans people view him so highly
@@freddie_connor9202 In a sense a lot of what Jocko says is not applicable because as you say and as is apparent from a picture of his face (and cranium) he is genetically/ pre-natal tesosteronised to rare degree, so a lot of that strength and determination is innate. But he is inspirational to people wanting to have more self discipline nonetheless, so I think it is bad manners, snide, what Derek is doing. He and Jocko appeal to different demographics anyway so he is not going to win any followers from Jocko.
@@seancidy6008 I’ve been watching Jocko for years- before Derek. I respect them both, and I don’t think Derek is being disrespectful or snide.
@@seancidy6008 why is it bad manners lol? Don't be so sensitive.
Following because of quality, keep up! Doing great!
More Plates More Dates! Always coming with the hot content. Looking forward to 1 million Subs!
A couple of years ago, I was going to a community college for a personal training cert and my instructor mention to me she was on hormone replacement therapy. I asked her how she found out about the therapy and she told me that one of the S.O she trained told her where to go. This was in Virginia Beach, so take that for what it's worth.
Seems reasonable
Now we need rogan to react to you reacting to jocko reacting to your video
I used to do endurance cycling and BJJ in the same day all the time. I only did the weights once a week since I view the BJJ as strength training for the most part since I’m at a lower level. When you’re at a high level of BJJ with low skill opponents I could imagine working weights in at that point. I sleep more than 5 hours though. I need 7-10.
In the military, it's expensive to test for gear. Other than being caught red handed, the only way the military can legally test you for gear is a strong probable cause.
I always heard from my marine friends that the military looks the other way on steriods. 🤷
I remember meeting one of these guys that was at least 250 jacked to the gills. Probably had dbol and Decca oozing from his pours.
@@rustybumperclassics6342 faster, stronger, more stamina...everybody wants that. What I noticed for years was that, no attention was given if no attention was brought...you just had perfect "genetics"
@@rustybumperclassics6342 to help fight against mileage and age, I may or may not enhance my abilities. IMO the juice is worth the squeeze "no pun intended". It's always better to be a contributor than a liability.
thing about doing gear and stuff like that in the infantry and special forces is that when you go on deployments you wont have access to that stuff so most of them dont do that stuff because then you cant keep your weight and strength when you need it the most. But I do see a lot of dudes on gear in the military anyways.
I did a couple cycles of tren active duty. Nobody cares.
So basically Derek is arguing for creating Space Marines
Echo cracks me up - reminds me of an annoying gf standing up for their mans 😂
For algo, love your vids Derek!
good shows. I watched his reply as well. Really cool dude. Sorta backed up all those alpha head comments. Commenting on using gear to maximise everything, if you were having all those problems, sleep, recovery, etc... you wouldn't be there in that capacity, You would be hangin' out with the other washout Dan B. Like your show, keep up the good work
15:40 “It seems wildly illogical..” welcome to the military brother that’s why I only spent 5 years of my life in. Also I personally saw two of the best marines I served with get booted over the sauce.
Also love your content by the way
yea kinda similar situation as you...i don't understand why everyone thinks marines and soldiers are all sauced up, i've seen a few get caught and booted. i stayed for 8 unfortunately, too long lmao
@@gixelz Because it is common redditor
If Jocko is natural than Athlean X uses real weights.
Point well taken!
This whole interaction was awesome 👌🏽
Jocko is a class act. As in, able to take a criticism with grace, and respond with wisdom and honesty. It's no surprise to me that this is the case given his background, and how that background will weed out the chaff (which I know I am) from the grain with regard to the kind of person required fulfill such a role. A major part of how you can tell he's telling the truth, versus say, a certain organ eating individual who never passed through such a needles eye selection process that does indeed succeed in it's purpose more often than not.
i have c2 in english but i have 0 clue what the fuck you just said lmao
@@vasilijedimitrijevic5906 ikr this isn’t an AP lit class
@@toobrokentolove5415 yeah, not to mention he didnt even finish the last sentence. he basically just said "the main part by how you can see hes being honest compared to liver king who is easily spotted as being a fake natty is." and proceeds to not finish the sentence.
Ecko Charles is the worst speaker on any podcast
when u make money off of steroid use