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How to Shoot Down Messerschmitts in a Biplane (Yugoslavia, 1941)
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2023
- In April 1941, Germany invaded the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The defending Air Force was equipped with some modern fighters such as Hawker Hurricane and Messerschmitt Bf-109 but the attack was still overwhelming. Especially for some Yugoslav fighter units still equipped with outdated fighters such as Hawker Fury. A squadron equipped with fifteen of these biplanes mostly managed to takeoff when Luftwaffe Bf-109s and Bf-110s attacked their airfield. Almost all of them were shot down but they still fought back using a desperate method - ramming attacks.
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- Brian Cull, Christopher Shores - Air War for Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete 1940-41
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- Peter C. Smith - Combat Biplanes of WWII
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- Håkans aviation page
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When I was a kid, I've met two of Serbian - Yugoslav pilots who fought Germans at 6th April 1941. I remember them as Kayle and Glumac, they were friends of my grand father and grandma. They visited many times, playing canasta card game at our house.
They where pensioners of Yugoslav air force at the time, my grandpa were Army pensioner.
They both were flying on Me-109 and Kayle shot down two Stuka dive- bombers before his plane were damaged , and Glumac shot down one Stuka and damaged German Me-109 , being hit at that dog fight as well, so both of planes left the theater while still flyable.
They said that most of German bombers over Beograd were Stukas.
That's what I remember hearing.
Thanks for sharing! I will probably cover more stories from this particular conflict in the future.
There were also 2 engine bombers JU 88, Me 110, like in the Battle of Britain last year.
Kayle is the nickname of Mihajlo Nikolich.
@@VersusARCH хвала најлепше, давно је било , па не памтим.
Air combat over Yugoslavia is never talked about, I didn’t even know Yugoslavia had an air force at this time
All of the minor countries in Europe had air forces. There is usually a few interesting days of air combat at the beginning.
It didn't last very long and it was mostly one-sided, but it still had some interesting aspects to it.
What is more interesting Yu air force had domestic IK-3 fighter plane (very modern for the era and even better than bf109 in some aspects) but only had few of them as production started only shorty before the nazi invasion of Yugoslavia. IK-3 pilots had some success in it.
Yugoslavia had the air force even before it existed. While it was still Kingdom of SHS. Air force is dating from 1918.
First bombings of the Third Reich were done by Serbian/YU pilots from around Banja Luka, air field in subberbs of todays Banja Luka, Trn.. Those bombing runs were very successful. Our pilots bombed railway weapons, logistic and amunition depos in Hungary and Austria. Those raids happened right after 6th of April 1941.
A few of the Balkan air powers were interestingly supplied with both axis and allied aircraft. Even the turkish airforce flew both spitfire mk9 and FW190 A8 at the same time. Kinda makes those old identification flash cards pointless. I got a set from 1943
Looks like a good thing that Turkey wasn't active, I guess.
Spitfire Mk I and Fw 190 A-3a 😉
Jeez, those guys just spontaneously decided to go kamikaze.
back an animal into a corner, and it will fight back with everything it has
I suppose it came out of a frustration with fighting an overwhelming enemy. The first guy could have inspired the others too, we'll never know.
Great video. One of the least known stories of WW2 is the German invasion of Yugoslavia. Virtually the entire Royal Yugoslav Army was defeated and sent to Germany to spend the rest of the war in POW camps. There were around 350,000 of these men and to this day very little has been written about them at all.
Thank you for the feedback and info!
Croat and non Serbian soldiers and officers were pardoned and joined the Armies of newly formed Axis puppet state ISC-NDH, and other Axis states Armies.
To put it shorts, Croat officers were not in no camps at all.
@@serdradion4010 Funny thing, not strictly related to air force or officers but I've recently spoken to a man whose father, a Croatian, was an NCO in the Royal Yugoslav Army. He was captured by the Germans in 1941 and he indeed spent a year in a prisoner of war camp. Even funnier is that his last name was Pavelić (although not related to the infamous one).
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Reality test: most probably Croatian propaganda, a diversion from reality.
@@showtime112 thank you for sharing
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Very nice video thanks.
Thank you, I appreciate the comment!
Even though it's been more than a year ago, tnx a lot for being probably the only creator on yt who covered this brief and short lived campaign. It would be awesome if you could make a video (some time in the future) about the air war around Belgrade in April 1941? Cheers!
Thank you for the feedback! It is in the long term plans to cover this campaign some more. Hard to say when exactly :)
@@showtime112 👍I also made a typo and corrected it. It's april 1941, not 44 🫣
Hello mate. When i was teenager, i was with my father visiting a model plane and train exhibition....By chance we spoke with an exhibitor and during this Time, hé said to us, his father has shot down a Bf 109B or C from Légion condor with a rifle. Hé shoots 2 bullets in cockpit hood, and hit pilot 's head. Hé was observer in a recco biplane without weapons and belonging like French volunteer to Spanish republic army.. unfortunately i dont remember the name of the plane.. the German pilot just wants to fly close to this biplan to obligé this to Land in Spanish nationalist area.
Unfortunately the fate decided différently
Thanks for the comment and for sharing your experience. The Spanish Civil War is not known well enough, I hope to explore it a bit in some future videos.
Awesome video!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Excellent recreation! Just a small nitpick: the actual Fury version used by VVKJ wasn't the Mk II pictured in your video, but the Yugoslav Fury (this is the Hawker designation, the Yugoslav AF one was simply Fjuri II, to diferentiate the later machines from the three examples of the Mk I export version that had been purchased in the early 1930s). The Yugoslav Fury was powered by a Kestrel XVI piston engine, had a low drag radiator and also featured a cantilever undercarriage with Dowty internally sprung wheels (similar to the contemporary Gloster Gladiator). It was the fastest of all production Fury variants, followed closely by the Spanish Fury (which also had the same u/c type).
Thank you for the comment. As for the specific variant of Fury, we only have this one in WT. There are so many types, variants, sub-variants and modifications of each plane that getting it exactly right is often impossible with such reenactments.
@@showtime112 Yes, I understand. I mentioned this because the differences between the early Fury Mk I (and even the Mk II used by the RAF) and the later Yugoslav Fury were quite considerable. Perhaps someone should inform WT.
Please keep up the fantastic work. I would welcome some Spanish Civil War stuff.
These biplane in WWII videos are becoming my favorite keep em coming thanks
Well, there's plenty more stuff left to cover. Thanks for the feedback!
@@showtime112 Bismarck torpedo plane thanks
@@bigw1552 I think that might be doable.
IK-3 had some better flying performances than BF-109,and Yugoslav BF-109 had trouble with landing gear which Germany fixed in meanwhile..
Thanks for sharing info!
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Awesome video, I like the real footage inserts. It's somewhat relaxing to watch the prop-spinners, instead of usual löt-lampen. 😁😉👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Thanks Pappa! Yeah, I kinda prefer jets but every now and then, I like to throw in some props as a nice change!
Awesome video. I hadn't heard of Yugoslav Air Force of that period before.
Thank you for the feedback, I'm happy to hear you liked the video!
RYAF is have 25 operational Hawker Fury,54(+1 during war) Me-109E3,46 Hawker Hurricane,8(+2) domestic fighter IK-2 and 6(+1) domestic fighter IK-3...About bomber...56 Bristol Blenheim(import and licensed production),40 SM-79,60(+3 during war) Do-17(half from import and half from licensed production),2 Hawker Hind...
Thank you for contributing info!
Frank Tinker recounts in his autobiography Some Still Live how he downed two BF 109's in his Russian biplane fighting for Republican Spain during the Spanish Civil War- and flying on a bounty basis as a mercenary, he was only paid for confirmed kills. He said the early 109's had inferior climb rate
Spanish Civil War seems like a great source of overlooked episodes about military aviation. I want to make them a little less overlooked in the future. Thanks for commenting!
You have to wonder, what were they thinking just before they rammed a BF 109 or a BF 110? They must have known there was exactly 0 chance they would live. Yet they did it anyway.
Soviet Pilot: "Blyat! Guns are inferior! Argh! Have no other choice....must ram the bastard...."
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Wonderful story about a unknow conflict.
Thank you once again, glad you are here!
@@showtime112 Are you come from ex-Yougoslavia ?
@@jeannezehner9450 I might be 😁
Salut Jeanne comment va?
En effet showtime est croate.
Et moi aussi je ne connaissais pas cette événement.
Par contre quand j'étais ado , avec mon père nous sommes allés voir une exposition maquettes avion et train et par le hasard on a parlé avec un des exposants. Et on a appris que son père qui était combattant volontaire français avec les républicains espagnol avait abattu messerschmit 109 B ou C de la légion Condor avec les nationaliste de Franco
Il était dans un biplan de reconnaissance volant à basse altitude. Le 109 la intercepté et comme pas armé il la obligé à se poser. Et la comme ils étaient très proche le papa a sorti une carabine de guerre et à vide le chargeur à bout portant sur le cockpit et à vu 2 impact sur la verrière et le 109 à pique vers le sol... 👎💥🔥
Je lui ai répondu en anglais à showtime. Ya mon commentaire dessus sur cet événement de la guerre civile espagnole
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Bonjour,
La Yougoslavie est une histoire très compliquée comme un peu l'Ukraine du moment.
Ce sont des pays qui sortent des traités de la première guerre mondiale, du traité de Versailles de 1919 en l'occurrence.
Un peu comme en Afrique, on enferme des ethnies si différentes qui se détestent depuis le Moyen-Age et cela en fait des poudrières.
En pratiquant ainsi, on voit la mentalité coloniale européenne de l'époque, l'Europe dominant le monde.
D'ailleurs nous sommes entrés en guerre en 14 à cause des Balkans où une guerre s'était déclenchée en 1911.
Je connais très bien l'Histoire de ce pays pour sa collaboration active avec les nazis contre les serbes. Aujourd'hui, rien n'est résolu, bien au contraire, surtout avec la couche qu'on a ajoutée avec le Kosovo en1999.
C'est un des rares pays qui a disparu et qui n'a laissé aucune trace et pratiquement aucune nostalgie derrière lui alors que cela tournait plutôt bien pour eux après le second conflit mondial.
Par contre, je ne savais pas que tout au début ils se sont battus contre les allemands, je connais plus la résistance du maréchal TITO. Mais les anglais, étaient là pour déstabiliser l'alliance du début, comme d'habitude.
Concernant la guerre d'Espagne, c'est André Malraux qui a monté l'aviation résistante des républicains.
C'est une histoire extraordinaire à mettre en scène sur ce site, on se serait crus au début de la première guerre mondiale quand il n'y avait pas encore de mitrailleuses sur les avions et que les combats se réglaient au pistolet ou à la carabine pratiquement à bout portant. Incroyable !!!
Maybe not intentionally ramming, but the fact that the biplane pilots were not accustomed to the faster speeds involved with monoplane fighters.
It is possible that some of those collisions were not deliberate but only the pilots could say that.
Pretty interesting, hope you can bring more of those WW2 obscure moments like Bulgarians shooting down B-24's. You're using War Thunder right? Does it have a single player mode that let you design those missions you fly??
Thanks! I would like to cover some more of those obscure WWII elements such as lesser Axis powers involvement. This was done by War Thunder. There's a kind of a single player mode. You can design your own missions in a separate editor (much more complex than DCS). However, you need to grind through online battles to unlock airplanes because initially, you only get low level stuff (such as biplanes).
@@showtime112 Thanks for the answer, looking forward to see more videos!
Great recreation, as usual!
Thank you, I'm glad you appreciate it!
Simple, any turning fight !!
Not if the faster fighter refuses to turn with you.
@@showtime112 That's fine then you both go back to base alive !! 🧐
Question for anyone who could answer, would hawker fury have been useful against German bombers during the Battle of Britain alongside hurricanes and spitfires obviously. when not a single fighter was around to intervene. Or was the hawker fury to slow or for any reason I didn’t mention make it to useless.
Oh, Hunter would have been extremely useful. It had enough speed to easily intercept the bombers, stay out of reach of the fighters and its cannons would have made short work of any German bomber. It would have been much less vulnerable to piston engine fighters than Me-262 because of less sensitive engines for example.
@@showtime112 oops wrong plane intirely, I meant the hawker fury in this video
@@aaronstreeval3910 Yeah, that makes more sense 😁 I don't think Fury would have been useful at all. There was a squadron of Gladiators operating in the BoB. Those were more capable than the Furies but only thing I could find is that they tried to intercept some German bombers but without success.
@@showtime112 Yes there was...they operated out of makeshift airfields in the far South-West of England in 1939-40. This was out of range of German single-engined fighters of the time, and they flew from grass fields that were too small for a Hurricane or Spitfire to use. The idea was that they could reach German bombers quicker than the faster fighters stationed further away.
I've no idea if they shot anything down...German bombers would have been almost as fast as them after their bombs had been dropped.
There were also six Gladiators on Malta which fought the Italians in the early stages of the siege. Only 3 at a time were ever launched: and the locals called them 'Faith', 'Hope' and 'Charity'.
One had a 'home-tuning' modification: a more powerful engine and a three-blade, variable-pitch propellor. They were actually Sea Gladiators, but stripped of their naval gear (arrestor hooks etc) to make them a bit faster.
After the Falklands Conflict, the RAF stationed three ex US F4 Phantoms on the islands. They were named Faith, Hope and Charity as an ironic nod to the history of Malta.
The Furry was far from a ww1 fighter but made of metal .
ww1 fighters were 120 hp and did about 120 mph.
The Furry was 600hp and did over 220mph .
I'd say 'far' is an overstretch. Maybe it was of metal construction and it had a more powerful engine but in most aspects, it was closer to Sopwith Camel than to Bf-109
Thanks so much for all your great content I was wondering if you have done any videos about operation tikora in the 70s between Indonesia and the dutch?
Thank you for the feedback! I haven't done any videos about the operation you mention. I'm not very familiar with it. To what extent was military aviation used in it?
So you'll have to excuse me it was called operation "trikora" it was 1961. A relatively small conflict involving the neatherlands and western New guinea. Against Indonesia with air and naval support from the soviet union. Iknow of at least one case where Indonesian Tu16 "badgers" were used against the Dutch navy.
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1:35 This looks like a German soldier checking a map on his iPad 😂
I'm surprised that nobody yet made a fascinating story about a possible time traveler in WW2 based on that :)
One finnish pilot did ramming attack agaist soviets over city of Tampere during winter war after he was fatally wounded. So this occasion are not the first.
It's not the first one. Some sources mention a Polish pilot who rammed a German plane in September 1939. Others even say there were cases in WWI. This is just a very interesting 'David vs Goliath' story.
Aight I’ll deploy this tactic in game and see if a biplane would down a BF-109, wish me luck…
Did it work? 😁
@@showtime112 the bf over shot and I shot almost all my rounds at him, luckily it took its engine and gently hit the see
There is a recently published book in English about this struggle. Against Hitler's Luftwaffe in the Balkans, by Vikovic and Petrovic. Published by Pen & Sword. About £20. 2024.
Another great presentation of Showtime112! Little known conflicts brought to our attention. Thanks again for all you do! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🌸🌼🏵️💮🏴☠️🏹
Just like every other time, I am very happy to have your support!
@@showtime112 Yw
Hey can you recreate gulf war Iraqi mig-25 shot down f-18
I could do it to some extent. But the topic was already covered by another channel, I can't do it much better for now (MiG-25 is AI only and the model is ancient with low polygon number). If Eagle Dynamics at least updates it, It would be worth doing.
Still don't get it, they could ram the enemy, but not use their canons?
For one thing, they didn't have cannons, they had machine-guns. Only two light ones. Even if you can hit a Messerschmitt with them, you probably won't shoot it down as it is not much of a punch. Second thing, nobody rams an enemy airplane unless they first try to shoot it down. Only if they fail (run out of ammo, their weapons get jammed etc) do they ever consider ramming.
It takes crazy courage to ram another aircraft.
Or perhaps, desperation.
No ik-3? 😢
No, unfortunately.
Only 6 were flying in time of April war,and all above Belgrade.
Trebali smo stati uz Njemce tada kao svi pametni ljudi
A čuj, lakši put za KJ bi vjerojatno bio ostanak u paktu sa Osovinom uz što je moguće manji angažman u ratu.
@@showtime112 Austrijski slikar je pokušao da nas spasi i upozorio nas
Where is how to shoot down,was only rammings.
Sadly, videos need to have catchy titles otherwise they get ignored.
They had 109s and stakes like the germans did
So, they didn't actually shoot them down.
It is possible that they achieved some hits but they were more knocked down rather than shot down. That however would make a weird title.
PZL P-7s & P-11cs had much better success in September 1939 over Poland.
If War Thunder adds a Polish tech tree with these aircraft, I will definitely do a video or two about them.
Somewhat late, but difference between PZL.11 and BF-109D in performance wasn't as big as with Fury and BF-109E. Also, Yugoslav pilots, flying on Hurricanes, BF-109s and IK-3 managed to shoot down up to 50 enemy aircraft.
not more. i shot down the lockheed p-80 from a gloster gladiator. or other jet aircraft from the end of World War II with biplanes and monoplanes from the interwar period. from the simplest aircraft shot down jets from the end of World War II. then you have to lie in if you are to succeed. some the stripes don't come off not in civilians. once a warrior always a warrior.
So in short: you don't.
Yeah, this was more knocking them down rather than shooting. It is believed that those pilots ran out of ammo before going for the ramming.
01:14 British supported coup me arse!!
Just Anglo-Saxon !! NOT British
You seem to have some issues which are far beyond the scope of this video :)
Issues like what?
R Yugoslavia was attacked as an side part of the attack on
Greece by the Operation Marita, starting on the same day April 6 1941.
R Yugoslavia territory of nowdays North Macedonia was necessary for the attack on Greece, because being the only way to bypass the fortified Metaxis defense line in Greece,bordering the Bulgaria.
Either way, RY had to cooperate with the Axis on war against both the Greece and the Commonwealth forces.
RY had Messe Bf 109 B, E type was made later.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Greece
My father is be pilot in Yu arny but he is not even sit in his plane because the Germans is invade airport and town.
Slava im.
Mogao bi da napravis pricu o napadu Bristola Jugoslovenskih na Vermahtove jedinice u Austriji, zanimljivi podatci a slabo poznato javnosti.
Izvedivo je pomoću WT. Možda dođe na red jednog dana kad me uhvati inspiracija. U svakom slučaju planiram pokriti još poneku epizodu iz ovog sukoba.
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