A water bottle is a good test because if your edge alignment with a sword is bad, your water bottle goes flying. Perfect edge alignment will slice through the bottle, letting the top slide off of the bottom, leaving the bottom in place and the top to fall down fairly straight. I think Skallagrim goes into some detail about it on some of his videos. I've never been able to test this because it's easier if you have a rig on which to set bottles.
When forging in daylight\ natural light, the sound is more important than sight. You can't see the heat of the steel reliably, but you can hear the difference between soft and hard steel.
Awesome video, as a blade smith I totally agree with you on how the sound changes as steel cools. btw that steel looks like it could be from a forklift like you said or it may be the center part of a leaf spring ether way its likely 5160 which is great for knives ps. a atlatl could be a fun next project.
Sweet! Blind luck strikes again🤣. It's also nice to know the sound change is a real thing. Cool how little things start to reveal themselves to you as yoi work. An Atlatl is a GREAT idea. 100% on the list. Maybe even VERY soon.
As a hobby smith for some fifteen years, two things; 1) Yes, the sound change is a real thing and a good way of knowing when to reheat. 2) You should get a "real" anvil. Railroad anvil is fine for straightening the odd nail or whatever, but all the ringing you hear is power from your blow being lost. A real anvil will "answer" your blows (swedish expression) better so you move more metal with much less effort! Keep up the good work!
Wow that spear is awesome, and I like the martial arts moves you demonstrate in this video, I had no idea about the one that test the staffs spring like that, love how you actually forged out the head instead of grinding it in 🤘
Thank you Cl3ver. Now if only I can get my hands on some wiring, something that will conduct enough amps and some rubber gloves so I won't shock myself. Then I can officially make a Javelin of Lightning
So the reasons for water bottles: 1: Edge alignment practice. Edge alignment is making sure that the edge of a blade is parallel to direction of motion. If you've ever had an axe slip off to one side and not do much chopping, that was bad edge alignment. A good cut, sharp blade, and good edge alignment means that the bottom part of the bottle shouldn't move much at all. If the whole bottle jumps, or is knocked over, some part of it was not ideal. Similar attributes can be seen with stabs, but not the main reason. 2: Water is heavy, and the weight will resist movement enough to allow stabs & cuts without just being knocked away. 3: Cheap, usually free. So it's not really for an analogue for humans, but it's for practicing technique. Also looks pretty cool as a bonus. The normal material is wet tatami mat with a wooden core, ideal is ballistic gel & fake bones and stuff. But those are expensive. Other good materials are wet newspaper, and pool noodles. In any of these materials, you're looking for a clean, straight cut that doesn't curve. Hope this helps!
So glad to see another video, just in time for the weekend. One of these weekends I won't have to work the entire time and I can actually work on (and finish) a project. Fingers crossed!
Water bottles are a better test because you have plastic reinforced by the water and there are some thick bottles out there trust me so many bottles have been slain by my Katana to the point where my friends stared jokingly calling me a water hater some times I use food dye to make it red
Couple points.. 1. Yes you CAN hear the difference in sound 2. 1950 is WAY to hot for simple carbon steel 3. Table salt is MORE accurate than magnet(when it melts on contact youre there)Each alloy loses magnetism at different temp and generally speaking you want about 1500F which right about where regular table salt melts
@@SkillTree Advantadges to personally knowing several American Bladesmith Society Journeyman and Master Bladesmiths , having a subscription list that is 99.9% makers and 98.5% Bladesmiths...LOL
Lol. A couple of weeks ago I cut back this crazy tree from the empty lot next door because it was about to encroach on our roof. I noticed this great, long, straight section, and I cut it off and tested it exactly the same way. 😆 Kung-fu always stays with you, man. Fortunately, this tree was made of springier stuff, so it did not break. Thinking of shaving it down and making a proper staff from it.
running out of metal for the socket and having a small head is why most smiths would start with the socket, then once they have that formed hot cut it from the stock, and then forge the head
You definetaly can hear a difference when the metal gets too cold. Also dunno if you know but hammering on the metal too cold can cause stress fractures and cracks that will show up later... so try to keep that metal hot XD
That big hunk a metal you used looks like a leaf spring from the suspension system of a vehicle. Forklifts are way too big for that to be a forklift tine. It might be from some farming equipment or something
You can hear the difference, it’s not that you are hearing the work more, it’s that the work is now not absorbing the force as well and is starting to sound the anvil
The lack of a Melon Lord reference is a missed opportunity. And yes, you can absolutely hear the difference in hot and cool metal when striking it. Also also is that Railroad you're using as an anvil? It's a great starter anvil but you lose a lot of the impact when striking on it. I was amazed at the difference when I transitioned over to an anvil.
neither melons or water bottles are good analogues for people, but melons are fun to smash and water bottles are difficult to cut, so they are good for testing your edge alignment.
You can tell how hot the metal is by how high pitched its sound. By the way, I would defiantly recommend getting a small anvil. This will make your forging experience far nicer as you have the horn/ beak for drawing the stock out over. Railroads don't have enough weight beneath them to absorb the shock of the blows so after a long forging section you will just want the die because you are doing all of the work with the hammer. another fix is by having rubber handles on the hammer to reduce the shock. I hope this was help full. I love your vid as they keep me entertained from start to finish. keep doing what your doing :)
When fitting heads you can also coat the wood in something that will transfer across to the metal an leave a mark (colour chalk works OK in a pinch) then you can slide it on and see where it's contacting. As long as the conical shape is half sharp it should only initially contact on the protruding bits.
Cl3ver! I really love this channel, and each project you make is something I've made or want to make! Keep it up and you're awesome! My arsenal of weaponry is expanding. Still have to make a quiver for my DIY arrows. What martial art did you study? Looked liked a Baguazhang move you did.
Hey! great build I know I'm a day late but that is a great build! I particularly like the red leather around the head, beautiful work. just an fyi if you need to figure out the width you need for the metal shaft piece take the diameter of the wooden shaft and multiply by pi (3.14) or just three and a bit if going by eye. once you bend it into a circle it should be pretty close. You can trim the wood if you need to but we used to just force it on to the wood as it was red hot then pull it off once it cooled to do the finish work, gives you a custom fit. I'm not sure though it might be safer with two people. BTW I love the wood shaft you cut but doesn't the local orange box store sell rake handles near you?
You absolutely can sense the temperature of the metal but tbh, by the time the temperature has dropped that much you probably shouldn't be hitting it any more! :P Keep it cherry. Also, coke is reasonably available (if a little specialist) and burns real nice!
You would be correct. The metal sounds different depending on its temperature. Water bottles as a weapon target? Sure why not since humans are almost 80% water. I am surprised we all don't go mad with all the infernal sloshing.
This might be a reach but what about building primitive firearms(i.e. rifle musket, smoothbore musket, Dragoon pistol). You clearly understand stockmaking from the crossbow build. Not sure how you would cut rifling into a bore but that's why we watch, to see you make awesome stuff. Further, if you want to completely homebrew, there are formulae for blackpowder
I think that's an AWESOME idea. Maybe go in the progression humanity did and start larger (cannon) and get smaller down to rifle? Just spit balling. I dig the idea, a lot, tho.
Nice. Not being an expert at all, the spear work looked pretty good to me. If I recall correctly, water bottles are a popular choice because they are a good cheap and repeatable benchmark test. If your weapon is to dull, it will knock the bottle over instead of cutting it. If you can only cut 2-3 bottles before noticing a difference in the cuts, you may be putting too sharp an edge on it or the steel might not be capable of holding a good edge. Since they're a cheap and easily obtainable resource you can more readily compare the cutting characteristics of various weapons instead of using something more expensive like tatami mats.
Well I've been on a Digimon kick got started collecting the seasons on DVD got a Digimon S1 Digivice AirPod case that ended up arriving in the same box as some Goggles I ordered a few weeks ago and I was wondering Cl3ver what's your thoughts no season 4 where they turn into Digimon personally I loved it cause it was Power Rangers meets Digimon. love your channel
@@SkillTree I watched as a kid a loved it but for some reason, I forgot about a lot of the anime I rewatch Digigmon when in middle school teen nick aired the first 2 seasons I asked my mom about I tuned every day remembered so many memories and other anime I watch as a kid now Digimon is one my top 10 franchises of all time
don't worry bud I got your back here's a link to Digimon S1 www.amazon.com/dp/B07K39G59V/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07K39G59V&pd_rd_w=MHaAl&pf_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158c5&pd_rd_wg=sXWLJ&pf_rd_r=F2F2Y156RXSZ47AJCD6Q&pd_rd_r=4ac928cc-9ea2-42fa-9114-65b52207034d&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzR05CN0VNQk1XOVc2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzI2OTMzM0hSS0pRTVZZUURITyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTczOTQxMkw4SDEzQ05LWlU4USZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbCZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
By the time i leave my house i will have a bigger arsenal than the queen's, thank you man
And woe be to the coworker that steals your lunch from the kitchen!
A water bottle is a good test because if your edge alignment with a sword is bad, your water bottle goes flying. Perfect edge alignment will slice through the bottle, letting the top slide off of the bottom, leaving the bottom in place and the top to fall down fairly straight. I think Skallagrim goes into some detail about it on some of his videos. I've never been able to test this because it's easier if you have a rig on which to set bottles.
That's good to know! Thanks for enlightening me😁
When forging in daylight\ natural light, the sound is more important than sight. You can't see the heat of the steel reliably, but you can hear the difference between soft and hard steel.
Awesome video, as a blade smith I totally agree with you on how the sound changes as steel cools. btw that steel looks like it could be from a forklift like you said or it may be the center part of a leaf spring ether way its likely 5160 which is great for knives
ps. a atlatl could be a fun next project.
Sweet! Blind luck strikes again🤣. It's also nice to know the sound change is a real thing. Cool how little things start to reveal themselves to you as yoi work.
An Atlatl is a GREAT idea. 100% on the list. Maybe even VERY soon.
I thought it was leaf spring myself but it's been ages since I've seen a forklift's prong.
As a hobby smith for some fifteen years, two things;
1) Yes, the sound change is a real thing and a good way of knowing when to reheat.
2) You should get a "real" anvil. Railroad anvil is fine for straightening the odd nail or whatever, but all the ringing you hear is power from your blow being lost. A real anvil will "answer" your blows (swedish expression) better so you move more metal with much less effort!
Keep up the good work!
I'm impressed with hand crafting the shaft. Also, you can never go wrong with some forging.
Thank you for all the cool videos!!
And thank YOU for watching!😁
Tip for getting free metal, get friendly with a car repair/service shop. Break disks, leaf springs etc galore :) Love your work!!!
Inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I don't think that means what you think it means...
Wow that spear is awesome, and I like the martial arts moves you demonstrate in this video, I had no idea about the one that test the staffs spring like that, love how you actually forged out the head instead of grinding it in 🤘
Glad you enjoyed the build! I really had fun with this one.
Damn, that red leather is a nice finishing touch
Aztec death whistle! To the list ✌️
I feel like this video is foreshadowing a Spartan Shield build.
I hope so!
Thank you Cl3ver. Now if only I can get my hands on some wiring, something that will conduct enough amps and some rubber gloves so I won't shock myself. Then I can officially make a Javelin of Lightning
That would be DOPE! It shall be made !
take apart a taser and tape it to the spear.
So the reasons for water bottles:
1: Edge alignment practice. Edge alignment is making sure that the edge of a blade is parallel to direction of motion. If you've ever had an axe slip off to one side and not do much chopping, that was bad edge alignment. A good cut, sharp blade, and good edge alignment means that the bottom part of the bottle shouldn't move much at all. If the whole bottle jumps, or is knocked over, some part of it was not ideal. Similar attributes can be seen with stabs, but not the main reason.
2: Water is heavy, and the weight will resist movement enough to allow stabs & cuts without just being knocked away.
3: Cheap, usually free.
So it's not really for an analogue for humans, but it's for practicing technique. Also looks pretty cool as a bonus. The normal material is wet tatami mat with a wooden core, ideal is ballistic gel & fake bones and stuff. But those are expensive. Other good materials are wet newspaper, and pool noodles. In any of these materials, you're looking for a clean, straight cut that doesn't curve.
Hope this helps!
Damn brotha that's sweet!!!
Great job! Way to slay the watermelon villain of doom! Keep an eye out for rogue cantaloupes and honeydews. Can’t be too careful these days! 😉😋
well done! your content is amazing. maybe you could try and make a trident,
anyway well done.
9:45 WOW!
So glad to see another video, just in time for the weekend. One of these weekends I won't have to work the entire time and I can actually work on (and finish) a project. Fingers crossed!
And when you do, I hope you share how it comes out😁
Water bottles are a better test because you have plastic reinforced by the water and there are some thick bottles out there trust me so many bottles have been slain by my Katana to the point where my friends stared jokingly calling me a water hater some times I use food dye to make it red
@@dominiklevi5484 Glad to hear it
Couple points..
1. Yes you CAN hear the difference in sound
2. 1950 is WAY to hot for simple carbon steel
3. Table salt is MORE accurate than magnet(when it melts on contact youre there)Each alloy loses magnetism at different temp and generally speaking you want about 1500F which right about where regular table salt melts
All great tips but that salt one is GREAT! Thank you for the lesson! I will use it for sure!
@@SkillTree Advantadges to personally knowing several American Bladesmith Society Journeyman and Master Bladesmiths , having a subscription list that is 99.9% makers and 98.5% Bladesmiths...LOL
Lol. A couple of weeks ago I cut back this crazy tree from the empty lot next door because it was about to encroach on our roof. I noticed this great, long, straight section, and I cut it off and tested it exactly the same way. 😆
Kung-fu always stays with you, man.
Fortunately, this tree was made of springier stuff, so it did not break. Thinking of shaving it down and making a proper staff from it.
running out of metal for the socket and having a small head is why most smiths would start with the socket, then once they have that formed hot cut it from the stock, and then forge the head
Awsome project
Thank you for watching!
Why shouldn't I? Your videos are awsome
Clever: I like making stuff that's cool
Me and my youth group friends: We like making stuff this is cool
Great minds think alike
Glad you and your friends liked the project! Thank you so much for watching!!
As they say on forged in fire, it will keeeel.
You definetaly can hear a difference when the metal gets too cold. Also dunno if you know but hammering on the metal too cold can cause stress fractures and cracks that will show up later... so try to keep that metal hot XD
Nicely done dude! And yes, for flexibility you always want to go with green/greenish wood.
here is a tip soft wood hard target hard wood soft target that is how you keep the shaft from breaking
Oooh that is a great tip! And it totaly makes sense. Thank you!
Thank you, Sir, for showing us how you do stuff wrong! That is a big help. God bless you and your family.
That big hunk a metal you used looks like a leaf spring from the suspension system of a vehicle. Forklifts are way too big for that to be a forklift tine. It might be from some farming equipment or something
You can hear the difference, it’s not that you are hearing the work more, it’s that the work is now not absorbing the force as well and is starting to sound the anvil
Well done man
So awesome
It IS perfect! Great project 👍 😊
The lack of a Melon Lord reference is a missed opportunity.
And yes, you can absolutely hear the difference in hot and cool metal when striking it. Also also is that Railroad you're using as an anvil? It's a great starter anvil but you lose a lot of the impact when striking on it. I was amazed at the difference when I transitioned over to an anvil.
Excellent work, sir! Your spear turned out fantastic and of course the leather is a nice touch.
Jug of water is for edge alignment check and it’s cheap
neither melons or water bottles are good analogues for people, but melons are fun to smash and water bottles are difficult to cut, so they are good for testing your edge alignment.
I may have just developed a crush on this guy. A respectful crush.
You can tell how hot the metal is by how high pitched its sound. By the way, I would defiantly recommend getting a small anvil. This will make your forging experience far nicer as you have the horn/ beak for drawing the stock out over. Railroads don't have enough weight beneath them to absorb the shock of the blows so after a long forging section you will just want the die because you are doing all of the work with the hammer. another fix is by having rubber handles on the hammer to reduce the shock. I hope this was help full. I love your vid as they keep me entertained from start to finish. keep doing what your doing :)
I find It funny how I get recommend the same videos 2 years later...
Skill Tree: Uses maple from his backyard.
Me, a loser in the CA desert: Looks around hopelessly for wood to use.
Add Borax as a flux to weld that slit.
Can you make your wizard staff with wood from your backyard too and wood burn runes in to it
I can and I will 😁
When fitting heads you can also coat the wood in something that will transfer across to the metal an leave a mark (colour chalk works OK in a pinch) then you can slide it on and see where it's contacting. As long as the conical shape is half sharp it should only initially contact on the protruding bits.
LoL you are hilarious and clever 🤣
Water jugs test sharpness and edge alignment
Water bottle is a test of edge alignment
how does this video have only 378 likes, I think it's a glitch it should have had 378k
A good challenge is to make the dwarven great battle axe from D&D the book is 3.0
That’s a semi truck leaf spring I think
Someone else just said something similar. What great luck! What are the odds I would find GOOD steel randomly? 😁
With all these weapons we should also have a Shield of the Monkey
uhhh what martial arts do you know? now i know not to mess with you haha
Lol. I have done a few through the years but for the most part I practice a style called Hung Gar.
Cl3ver! I really love this channel, and each project you make is something I've made or want to make! Keep it up and you're awesome! My arsenal of weaponry is expanding. Still have to make a quiver for my DIY arrows. What martial art did you study? Looked liked a Baguazhang move you did.
Pretty sure that's either a tractor or lawn mower blade that's broken, either way cool spear
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Another great video😍😍😍😍😍 tnx mate for being awesome 😍🙏
YOU'RE the awesome one. Thank you so much for watching my content!
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DONALD DAVENPORT?!
Hey! great build I know I'm a day late but that is a great build! I particularly like the red leather around the head, beautiful work. just an fyi if you need to figure out the width you need for the metal shaft piece take the diameter of the wooden shaft and multiply by pi (3.14) or just three and a bit if going by eye. once you bend it into a circle it should be pretty close. You can trim the wood if you need to but we used to just force it on to the wood as it was red hot then pull it off once it cooled to do the finish work, gives you a custom fit. I'm not sure though it might be safer with two people. BTW I love the wood shaft you cut but doesn't the local orange box store sell rake handles near you?
I found a goodly amount of railroad spikes should you like to try some more knife making
You should of done the spear from assassins creed odyssey
You absolutely can sense the temperature of the metal but tbh, by the time the temperature has dropped that much you probably shouldn't be hitting it any more! :P Keep it cherry.
Also, coke is reasonably available (if a little specialist) and burns real nice!
You would be correct. The metal sounds different depending on its temperature.
Water bottles as a weapon target? Sure why not since humans are almost 80% water. I am surprised we all don't go mad with all the infernal sloshing.
...also funny
Maybe tanning your own leather? I do leathercraft myself and have given thought to learn how to do that.
I'm pretty sure the jugs of water are used because the water looks like a blood analog gushing.
So dark but makes perfect sense, Lol. Gotta have that splashy feedback, I suppose.
This might be a reach but what about building primitive firearms(i.e. rifle musket, smoothbore musket, Dragoon pistol). You clearly understand stockmaking from the crossbow build. Not sure how you would cut rifling into a bore but that's why we watch, to see you make awesome stuff. Further, if you want to completely homebrew, there are formulae for blackpowder
I think that's an AWESOME idea. Maybe go in the progression humanity did and start larger (cannon) and get smaller down to rifle? Just spit balling. I dig the idea, a lot, tho.
Cannon, match lock, flintlock, percussion cap, modern cartridge guns...it all goes back to a metal tube with a closed end to contain an explosion
This would be cool. Start something easy like a slip gun then work up to riffling
How did you manage to drill through the socket after hardening? I would have suggested a second annealing with just the blade submerged in water.
Forgecleric-maxxing
I kinda wonder after making all of these cool weapons why you haven't made a pair gauntlets to protect those hands of making....
since yo do marshal arts show us "how to fight with a sword"
i think you are cool
YOUR SHIRT IS AMAZING! where did you get it?
I'm commenting too much on this video lol just FYI the temperature range for quench is around 1550 not 1950 degrees you prob just mispoke
Nice. Not being an expert at all, the spear work looked pretty good to me.
If I recall correctly, water bottles are a popular choice because they are a good cheap and repeatable benchmark test. If your weapon is to dull, it will knock the bottle over instead of cutting it. If you can only cut 2-3 bottles before noticing a difference in the cuts, you may be putting too sharp an edge on it or the steel might not be capable of holding a good edge. Since they're a cheap and easily obtainable resource you can more readily compare the cutting characteristics of various weapons instead of using something more expensive like tatami mats.
Try making a Viking sword
Never work, steel cold and yes you can hear it
This could be a old video but you forgot one thing... an Atlatl.
Edit: a spear is also a yeet weapon
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I can't believe Clever didn't make a single innuendo in this video. Not even one.
Either that or they got edited out...
Can you make a metal Amulet
I can sure try!
No, you are not crazy, the difference tells you the plyability of the metal.
How about a shave horse for using your shaveknife
You can get away with starting with briquets and actually using raw wood like scrap 2 x 4 or any wood that will work
Well I've been on a Digimon kick got started collecting the seasons on DVD got a Digimon S1 Digivice AirPod case that ended up arriving in the same box as some Goggles I ordered a few weeks ago and I was wondering Cl3ver what's your thoughts no season 4 where they turn into Digimon personally I loved it cause it was Power Rangers meets Digimon. love your channel
I haven't seen digimon in a LOOOONG time. But I remember loving it. I will have to give it a rewatch and let you know!
@@SkillTree I watched as a kid a loved it but for some reason, I forgot about a lot of the anime I rewatch Digigmon when in middle school teen nick aired the first 2 seasons I asked my mom about I tuned every day remembered so many memories and other anime I watch as a kid now Digimon is one my top 10 franchises of all time
don't worry bud I got your back here's a link to Digimon S1
www.amazon.com/dp/B07K39G59V/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07K39G59V&pd_rd_w=MHaAl&pf_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158c5&pd_rd_wg=sXWLJ&pf_rd_r=F2F2Y156RXSZ47AJCD6Q&pd_rd_r=4ac928cc-9ea2-42fa-9114-65b52207034d&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzR05CN0VNQk1XOVc2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzI2OTMzM0hSS0pRTVZZUURITyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTczOTQxMkw4SDEzQ05LWlU4USZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbCZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
hey man no problem just wanted to let you know i could actually make you a bo staff or just like a walking stick i can help you out
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