I'm Sorry, But WTF?!?! | Invincible Season 2 Episode 4 Reaction!
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21:45
Nolan was choking him because Mark is part of the reason why he’s become so sympathetic. As a viltrumite, he was taught to wipe out entire civilizations without a second thought. Despite this, he’s crying over the deaths of what he should view as an inferior species. From an average viltrumite perspective, that’s the equivalent of having a mental breakdown over stepping on an anthill
It's not a sun, it's a black hole, Nolan really trying to delete himself by falling to the black hole
I honestly find it pretty ridiculous that he was able to resist the pull of a black hole considering, to my knowledge, even the strongest viltrumites aren't planet level on their own
@@xmant8842theres a reason why only the strongest viltrumites were assigned to one per planet like nolan. In the comics he explains how he had to work his way up to that level
@@xmant8842 I mean distance is pretty hard to draw on a cosmic scale you can resist the pull of a black hole relative up to a certain point. Depending on how fast you go the only point you can't resist is the event horizon
@@xmant8842they are definitely higher than planetary level . No planet could survive being that close to a sun but viltrumites fought at the centre of sun for a long time in comics
@@xmant8842If you can travel faster than light then you can escape a black hole
And to awnser your question, the reason why Nolan feels this way about these people when he did all that shit on Earth, is not because he sees something in them, is because of what he experienced on earth with Mark, Debbie, the senseless killing and then having to deal with it. That left a scar, and that's why he sees things differently now.
Exactly. Though it happened unintentionally, Nolan started to like the lifestyle of being a superhero and a husband. He got comfortable because it allowed him to know himself that he was not able to explore with his own people because those kinds of bonds and emotions have no place in the Viltrum Empire.
Nolan is just a bad person and he clearly cares so much more for those bugs than Debbie
@@IsanG08How so?
@@IsanG08this show isn't for 12 year olds btw
@@IsanG08your precious...
Nolan is the kindest Viltrumite at this point
well mark is but pure blooded yes
im not joking HE REALLY IS
I think this plot decision is just great. Showing an alien race that only lives for one Earth year gives us a better idea of how Nolan saw humans. "Now or in 50 years when he's old. What difference does it make?" in episode 8 of the first season seemed so absurd, but seems almost understandable compared to the corresponding few months for the alien race on Thraxa. It actually shows us how trivially short the time Nolan spent on Earth was and how short he thinks the human lifespan is and what he meant by pet. People love their hamsters, even though they rarely live more than two years.
Thats like me squishing a Thraxan and saying Now or in 5 months when he's old what difference dose it make. 5 months is nothing to my 26 years of life and the many more I have left to live. But to them thats like almost half there life.
Exactly! Even Mark was incredulous about Nolan caring about Andressa in “only six months.” He’s now in a better place to understand Nolan’s perspective, and also mature enough to realize that, while it’s very flawed and wrong to think that way, it’s an easy thought pattern to fall into.
facts and when he says that he sees Debbie as a pet, he calls her that because in real life we love dogs, but unfortunately we, as humans, outlive them. and that hurts because we let them into our lives but we know they will leave before their time.
He never said that he saw Debbie as an animal or inferior to him.
@@spiraljumper74 i hope mark man up And let him see that everything his father has done has been literally and exclusively for him, Mark is not understanding that Nolan literally abandoned billions of years of culture and rules for him, he is not understanding that if Omni Man falls they will go for him. Because they don't leave viltrumites loose at random, that's why he had the new son so that when he dies because he knows he will die because they will persecute him because he show mercy with the humans, he will leave a brother to cover Mark's back when he is no longer here.
That's why I say that Mark is still a stupld child, he is not seeing that right now this is a war and that he is not realizing that the Viltrumites are winning it.
“Mark this is your brother….his name is thanos”
He care about Debbie the pet thing is a whole perspective of him and her lifespan we outlive our pets and we love them same how Nolan sees regular people we have to remember he's an alien don't make the human exterior fool you
The fact that Debbie changed him in 20 years when Nolan is thousands of years old at this point is proof he loves her and mark
Yeah the same reason he'd choked mark its thanks to him and Debbie why he's feeling the way he is. He was raised to conquer and kill those who are beneath viltrumites and thanks to mark and Debbie he's really conflicted now. Also agreed the pet thing sounds bad but let's be real us humans are far weaker and don't come close to viltrumites life span to them we are pets.
Nolan did have a point when telling Mark he needed to stop holding back. The Viltrumites were there TO KILL. You can only stop that kind of determined violence with determined violence.
facts if someone try to kill you you need to fight back with the same lvl of range that is why cops have to use guns to stop people with guns.
Usually violence breeds violence and if you want to break the cycle, you dont use violence.
Well forget what i said before violence breeds violence and in the end it has to be this way, especially with the viltramites
25:02 “don’t do it Mark!” See this is what happens when they take your advice 😂
Mark is essentially a full Viltrumite. Humans are so compatible with them that their DNA is essentially overwritten by Viltrumite DNA as they age.
His brother's mom said that Nolan' dna has slowed down his aging so it's implied he is still gonna live a very, very long time.
Viltrumite DNA dominates all species DNA.
Mark said his brother seems to be past 6 months old already so I doubt he's getting past 500 years assuming Viltrimites can live to 10k years
@@slader6079 His genes will be overwritten just like marks. If you do the math mark and the kid will live around the same time with mark getting an extra thousand or so. He's about 4 months old and Mark was 17 when he got his powers. The kid seems to be getting viltrumite benefits earlier considering Nolan said Mark was a late bloomer.
@@JordanSouthpawLandry I know his genes will get overridden but his still a bug that isn't compatible with viltrimites in the slightest. It wouldn't make sense for him to be getting to 1k but maybe that's just me
@@slader6079 I think he has potential to get halfway, but I agree they are incompatible so it won't be the same. I still think Mark and him will only be off by like 1000 or 2000 years.
Thinking about it from Nolan’s perspective, Debbie, Mark, his time on Earth, and on Thraxa are shattering the worldview he was indoctrinated with for centuries. True his actions on Earth are unforgivable, but he regrets them and when given a second chance, he chooses to defend Thraxa with his son.
Nope Nolan is a bad character no matter how try and defend him
@@IsanG08 lol He cannot be a bad character because he literally rebelled against his race and his adoption of billions of years of culture that forced him to serve his empire and for his son, for the first time in his 2000 years he dared to choose the path of peace. That's called being a great character.
Kid nolan is not your dad stop proyecting
@@IsanG08cope
@@blacky8987Nolan is a terrible character he just a knock of superman that senselessly kills and hurts good people like Debbie and he honestly should not make it pass this season
@@IsanG08 you should stick to dc and marvel than my child....
Viltrumites have the exact same range of emotions as humans. But, what with the way their society works, they are conditioned from a young age to only acknowledge ruthlessness and loyalty to the Empire. Nothing else.
We see in flashbacks that Nolan was still a little bit emotionally closed off when it came to Mark when he was a child, but he eventually started opening up and acknowledging the feelings that he had never been allowed to experience among his own people.
And when he and whenever he's confronted about caring about something that does not fall in line with what he has been taught his entire life, he doesn't even know how to vocalize it because it's a feeling so alien to him.
ah no, maybe they can experiment if you teach them but one thing is for sure and that is that they all have an inner rage that makes them prone to fight, don't be confused even if they become good parents like in the comics if a human being tries to screw them automatically They will kill him and continue as if nothing had happened. That is where you realize that they are aliens with anger problems.
@@blacky8987 They definitely get angry a little bit easier, but it's not to the point of being homicidal at the smallest thing.
You can definitely see every point Mark had as they argued, but Mark wasn’t mature enough to realize what us is the viewer could; Nolan asking Mark for his help and begging him to help defend the Thraxans is the very first step in his redemption as a person. Given the stakes, in this series and world forgiveness would probably be a bit easier to obtain given the fact that Viltrum is a UNIVERSAL-level threat. Virtually no one in the series can even give the Viltrumites damage at all, so Nolan killing thousands on Earth would be a sin that everyone would be a lot more inclined to let him atone for instead of death. Execute Omni-Man for his crimes if you’d like but Viltrum is still coming regardless whether he’s around to fight them or not.
Facts i came from the comics and i can tell you you are right mark late in his more mature day use the logic he literally rebelled against his race and his adoption of billions of years of culture that forced him to serve his empire and for his son, for the first time in his 2000 years he dared to choose the path of peace.
mark cant see that because he is just a super powerfull child not a man yet.
25:04 and that’s why you never hesitate when you have the opportunity to kill someone that’s trying to kill you
25:02
“Don’t do it Mark”
Like what is wrong with you do you want him dead or something 😂
She just doesn’t want Omni man to be right lol
Not making excuses for Nolan, he did loved Debbie in his own twisted way. As he said, "I do love your mother, but she's more like a pet." In my life I was surrounded by cats, dogs, birds, hamsters, some of them I loved more than anything, but they were just a small part of my life, and even though I loved them very much, even though I cried when they died, I would always get another and they would quickly become just a distant, barely visible memory. We can't even compare to the memory and love of a family member that has been with you through most of my life, and that I will that will continue to be here for a very long time unless something tragic happens.
This is it, it's a perception thing. Honestly, best person to compare him to is freiren. Except with Nolan, he was indoctrinated to believe he and his lifespan was more grand than just a long life. So where as frieren had the experience with her party earlier in her life, nolan eventually had that same moment seeing the viltrumites killing the planet he truly tried to protect. Like she asked herself why she didn't get to know them more while she had the chance, he asked his son why he feels this way because they both didn't understand the value of the time they spent with those people and how it can affect you.
He doesn't love Debbie
@@IsanG08 If he doesn't love Debbi, what was the entire purpose of that life and building the family. Why was he stalling invasion prep for mark to get his powers, why could he not return to earth.
The fact that you are acting like the thing of calling a person "a pet" is something good, it's hilarious.
@@chrisbyleg8049some people love their pets more than humans. And nobody said it was good, just a different perception
23:01 probably because earth was part of the process that got him to feel that way, he was feeling complicated after what he did to earth and mark and then leaving in that confused state, gets resolved into a state of kindness by the thraxians. Also helps that abandoning his post makes him a viltrumite criminal to be executed(I think) so he couldn't really fall back on being Viltrumite.
Nolan made a point in season 1, nobody is gonna stop throwing hands unless he returns it back at them; and since Viltrumites are stubborn as Mark’s dad, he’s gonna have to. Mark could learn that from his dad or someone else, cause he’s gonna need it when the viltrumites come back😞
Also nice to see the show not just dismiss the concerns of Eve's father, even if his way of expressing those concerns are toxic, no doubt.
Power scalers are gonna lose it when they see Nolan casually resisting the pull of a black hole 💀
I mean, literally every single thing in existence resists the pull of every black hole in the universe. It doesn't matter that it's a black hole, it matters WHERE he is in the gravity well. Like you and I right at this very moment are resisting the pull of the black hole at the center of the milky way. We're inside it's sphere of influence, yet not falling into it.
@@GerblerM
Bruh we literally see him right next to it and flying out of its pull as the ship is getting pulled into it.
@@Ren_Davis0531 How far is 'right next to it" chief? YOU AND I ARE IN THE PULL OF A BLACK HOLE RIGHT NOW. Jesus Christ man, if you don't know shit about space, probably don't make dumb takes about it online.
A hundred bucks says you have no idea what an event horizon is.
Maybe he doesn't understand how powerful black holes are. Nothing, not even a star can resist it.
@@GerblerMstfu it don't take commen sense to see he's right next to the black hole.
I mean look at it from Nolan's point of view if you have empathy. He is struggling with his whole worldview. "How is this better?"
1st) Viltrumites are essentially as close to demigods in their universe. They live for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, have amazing physical physics defying abilities and superior tech. They then decide to explore space and find out that every single species they come across is short lived, weak and essentially living in the middle ages compared to the Viltrumites. Of course you would develope a superiority complex of epic proportions. But wait...
2nd) The culture he was born, indoctrinated and raised in is a culture that very recently decided to kill off all the weak of there society. Weak in all metrics, meaning if you had empathy or compassion for anything lesser than a Viltrumite you needed to go. So Nolan has never cared about anything but his mission he belived so deeply in because why would he not? This man was having a breakdown experiencing emotions he never knew he had. Because..
3rd) Nolan has lived for thousands of years by this point. I would probably guess like 2-4k but if it is any higher it proves the point even more. He was only on Earth for 20 years. 20 years compared to 2 thousands is quite small. Which is why I think most people take offensewhen he called Debbie a pet. I bet most see the pet comment as a dominant/submissive thing but I truly believe he meant it in terms of lifespans. There are people that truly love their pets like they are blood relatives but however when that pet dies, they will get another so they can have something to love and keep them company. They still love their pets with all their being.
Love and emotions are new to Nolan. Debbie really got through to him on an emotional level, and it has only been 20 years, which is like a 3 day weekend compared to us.
In the comics Nolan’s intentions and motivations are made slightly clearer. After fighting Mark, Nolan knew he could never bring himself to deliver Earth into Viltrumites hands, he could never kill Mark. He found Thraxa by pure coincidence and they pretty much immediately made him their ruler due to his long life (lifespan obviously being very important in Thraxan culture). His plan was to give the Viltrumites Thraxa instead, as they had advanced tech and abundant mineral resources and he had already “conquered” the planet effectively. But he caught feelings for Andressa, had Oliver, and realized he couldn’t let the Viltrumites have Thraxa either because they’d kill him. He accidentally recreated the emotional stakes he’d had on Earth again, but he knew enough about his own feelings this time to make the better choice.
Back on Earth Nolan still had his mission to hold on to, to keep hem focused on his Viltrumite world view. On Thraxa, he no longer has that. He no longer has anything to hold him back from _feeling._ He doesn't care _more_ about Andressa and their son, and the Thraxans. He cared equally or more about Debbie, Mark, his Guardian friends, and Earth... but unlike then, now he has nothing to help him suppress those feelings.
3:33 Yes, you should feel sorry for him because you is miss the most important fact and that is that Nolan is not a human being, the actual form of Viltrumite upbringing is lethal. Mark lost to Omni Man. If it had been another Viltrumite who tested his son in combat, he would have killed him right there because he is not worthy of being a Viltrumite. They have been following their culture for billions of years. Nolan is one of the first to take anothe way out in literally billions of years. Leaving the earth and sparing Mark's life, he was condemned to exile because his people see him as a traitor for not doing his holy job and his human family sees him as a monster for following their Viltrumite culture....
Literally, the hatred they have for Omni Man is unjustified, we have done worse things as a species... remember WW2, the cruel Japanese and the evil Germans? They were not born bad, they were turned into that.
You can’t stay mad at Nolan he’s the reason mark still alive tbh 😭
No Nolan is to blame for everything that's happen we have a right to be mad
@@IsanG08i mean tbf the viltramites were coming anyway. If mark wasn't exposed to fight them now, he would've gotten washed on earth
@@IsanG08no you are just a bot. THE VILTRUM EMPIRE is the problem not Nolan. He is a soldier that just had a thousand years of brainwashing by viltrum undone in 20 years. As someone who read the comics you are too immature to understand that Nolan is in no way the enemy but a product of his environment. Y’all so reactionary
@@livinglegend9709exactly. Even the pet comment. It has more to do with perception of time than trying to minimise Debbie value. There are ppl that love their pets more than humans but it’s a reality that they will only live for a fraction of a human life. Of course not the best way to phrase it but then again he is an alien from a ruthless killing society, don’t think they care too much about being politically correct
Mark will live just as long as any normal viltrumite. Nolan himself said that mark is nearly full blooded
Bro said "i can always start again, make another kid" AND MEANT IT!
i THINK the reason Nolan feels this way about Thraxans is because of his experiences on earth. The concept of a hero must have been something alien to him. In his planet the weak were supposed to die and were viewed with disgust, so his time on earth got him a new perspective, working as a hero, saving the weak, getting praised and loved for it, he must have liked it. But on earth he was always on a mission, he was a soldier, he had a predetermined goal which got in the way. But the Thraxans were just a species he saved out of nowhere with no involvement with his goal, so he didnt have any conflict about personnal feelings vs Duty as a viltrumite.
by far my favorite episode of the season, the choreography of the vitreum fight was just well done AF.
For Viltrumites, compassion doesnt exist in their vocabulary. They had always been stronger so they saw no reason to care for anyone else.
The very idea of carring for someone else is so profoundly alien to them, they never ever once ever considered what it feels like.
Nolan alone was alienated to the point other Viltrumites looked at him with utter disgust.
Yeah, they thought he was like that "weird guy with weird kinks".
Nolan genuinly thought there was something mentally wrong with him, like an infection.
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Eventually those that do feel human compassion for the first time ever, after hundreds of thousands of years, slaying millions and conquering many worlds all in the name of their powerful Empire, within the span of a few months and/or 5 years grow to care for the people around them and love human compassion.
Even some of the most vile and bloodthirsty Viltrumites fall in love with humans.
Yeah for some reason she doesn’t seem to understand. It’s really irritating. The lens she’s using to view this entire show.
@@byImmanuelseems to be a common trend with most of the women reactors and reactors in general.
They care more about antagonising Nolan for things like his infidelity and other things rather than viewing things from Nolan perspective.
Only a few actually put any effort into understanding Nolan character. He is such an interesting one as well it’s a shame so many ppl reacting are pea-brained and don’t interact with the many themes with his character.
They continue to judge viltrumites from a human lense it’s so ignorant 😂
@@mrclean9513what does her gender have to do with anything
@@dooda9566 I feel as though some of the women reactors I’ve watched for these episodes have a personal vendetta against Nolan ever since he compared Debbie to a pet. And it’s that bias they have against them that is preventing them from really understanding Nolan character.
Not defending Nolan but he's basically the description "What's better to be born good or put in effort to fight your evil side". He's obviously not innocent and should be punished, but you gotta understand he lived for thousands of years in a culture where his violent tendencies were the norm, he was indoctrinated in it.
But he's actually doing what other viltrumites aren't, fighting his nature, that's gotta be something to praise him for, right?
Nolan said Debbys a pet because of how long his life span is compared to hers, not cause he saw her as an actual pet.
All humans to Nolan would be like pets since we live far less longer than he does (viltrimites do)
I know he still truly loves debby & Mark & his time spent with them. That definitely wasn't meaningless.
But don't forget that this mans race removed their emotions long ago when they removed "the weak" from their society. So "emotions" were something Nolan and viltrimites aren't supposed to feel/have. But Deb changed the man, showed him what having emotions are, what love is.
But then yeah, ya boi Majorly back peddled, called his wife, the love of his life, a pet, then proceeded to slaughtered a whole bunch of people while beating up on his kid. Look.. Ain't nobody proud of that & generally you'd never forgive anyone for that, ever. But Nolan was just doing what he was quite literally bred to do. To change someone like that into a kind, caring, compassionate soul would be quite the impossible task.
One that debby succeeded in. But sadly for Nolan to truly change he had to do all those horrible things, one last time to realise that that sh!t ain't right. But hey.. everyone has their journey right??
This is exactly how Omni-Man said in season 1 after killing the pilot in episode 7. After Mark said: “YOU KILLED HIM” Nolan answered: “Now or in 50 years what difference does it’s make?” Then Mark replied “He’d have a life!”. We as humans live so munch longer than these bug people that’s it is comparable to how humans have only bug like lifespans compared to vultrumites. When you say (as a human): “why even bother saving these bug people since they would die next week anyway?” Then it’s make you understand how a vulturmite feels towards humans. Like these bugs to us humans are just insects, since they live “only a year “, as humans are just “insects “ to a vulturmite.
So extra with the Nolan hate
That's the thing Earth...Nolan wanted to take Mark and raise him as Viltrumite but every day he tried he saw Debbie's face and just couldn't do it. He also did see the Guardians of the Globe and enjoyed his time with them. He actually didn't want Mark to get his powers.
The reason for the Viltrumites views has to do with what caused the great purge and why they don't tolerate weakness anymore.
Also yeah Thula is thousands of years old even more than Nolan
The thing with Nolan is that he was born and raised on viltrum so you gotta take into account all he's ever known is violence and that strength is power and killing is ok not saying what he did on earth is right and ok but look at how he was raised and what he was taught
"I wish Mark would've hit him." Why? You want him to get his ass beat again?😆
Honestly what with the way they behave and think, the Viltrumites have some nerve calling other civilizations savage animals
Yeah, unfortunately, this always happens when we are talking about empires. The word "savages" is there as an excuse to see others as "less" and justify the killing and slavery of millions. How can you feel bad if they are barely human; If we are supposedly bringing technology and cultural enlightenment to "savages"?
Exactly how many European colonizers thought. Or how Germans saws other Europeans in that infamous period. Or how the Japanese saw other Asians during that period.
This is the mindset of an oppressor.
@@uh4875 Yup
Mark for all this time fighting people so far below his level of power that he’s gotten so used to holding way back as well as not wanting to kill people he’s just not aware of how powerful he actually could be. He gone learn today tho 😂😂
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I really don't understand why people get so upset at that pet line. Do you not see how much people love their pets here? Honestly, most people love them a little too much, imo, and value them way more than other people even family members. So Nolan calling her a pet isn't pejorative, it's putting things in perspective. While she is important to him, she's not going to be a long term part of his life. She can't be his life partner, because their lives are too uneven. She's a speck. A very nice speck that he loves, but a speck, in the very, very, very long life he's lived.
That wasnt the sun. That was a black hole
The thing that people don't seem to get is that Nolan has spent literally THOUSANDS of years listening to propaganda on why viltrumite is better why viltrumites are superior and why they have the right to conquer "lesser species" so him needing to get over that is pretty understandable.
I loved your reaction to this episode you showed a lot of emotion when seeing Nolan again. I love how vocal you were and how you said your thoughts openly.
2:32 Since that is a black hole it should definitely kill him, since nothing can escape from inside a black hole (at least in the real world). I would say a black hole is more deadly than a sun aka star.
I thought it was goofy at first but Nolan does say in the first episode they can freely move through space and push themselves off anything (basically defying gravity entirely)
You gotta b fockin kidding me was me and mark being synchronized at a moment
This girl got daddy problems
22:54 is because he has lost everything and was at his lowest point after leaving earth. He was ready to end his life at that black hole. As said in legend of korra, one you are at your lowest point, you are open to the greatest change
What is wrong with Nolan ? Think about that, he was raised from birth to be and already lived thousand of years as a Viltrumite warrior.
Imagine someone born child soldier and discovering empathy in his forty, everything he knew to be true, his peoples and his mission, were lies.
In a way, he didn't save them, they save him, Nolan stated it but he clearly cannot cope with new emotions like grief. He don't understand what and why he feel and it's tragic.
25:04
"Don't do it Mark!"
*proceeds to be stabbed for doubting*
There is no need to doubt if someone wants to kill you.
23:56 Less pulling his punches, more not going for the kill. So like, initially not going for punches or other attacks that could kill or fatally wound and I assume she was still stronger but he overwhelmed her by rapidly changing his fighting style to be more aggressive and she couldn't cope with it in time.
Yes, he took her by surprise since she was not even trying at first. Moreover, if you notice, she hardly took any serious damage. (Before Nolan of course).
Nolan did feel that way on earth, and he had no idea what to do with that after thousands of years of conquest. In the comics he said he initially wanted the Thraxan’s planet as a lesser planet for the empire but he just ended up feeling the same thing which he fled out of fear on earth
The first time Nolan/Omni-man actually was a hero and not pretending to be one.
Nolan was able to feel that way because of what transpired on earth. The events on earth broke him. Made him soft, but in a way he could learn to be more compassionate. The fight and fall of on earth was necessary for him to change
I know it’s very dark but being called a pet by a Viltrumite you’re dating or married to is the kindest compliment you can get from a viltrumite
Maybe Nolan always saw Debbie as more than a pet deep down, but his Viltrumite way of thinking had him convinced otherwise on the surface.
Omni man is essentially every 80s dad who turned their family in for a new one,and picked you up every once in a while in a new sports car,while your mom worked at a waitress in a local diner making peanuts.....Ok that was a big ass projection 😅
Why would u think that's a sun? 😭
Probably got confused between a black hole and supernova
Hilarious. You really can't understand Nolans pov. He has been one way for thousands of years. Change is not immediate. Plus, who's to even say the 18 yr old is right?! They often aren't.
Even with all that he's been through, he still has relatively little life experience. Compared to Nolan, he has exactly none.
I mean in the prior episode he lost his virginity. Debbie's a pet because she was a useful cover. It wasn't until Mark hot his powers that he even thought of his mission. In the comics, Viltrumites are dying off. Single warriors of Nolans caliber are sent off to conquer and look for breeding worlds. Which when Mark got his powers, Nolan had found. But Mark is weak. As showcased by him constantly getting his ass handed to him.
In the comics, he's far stronger. He certainly gave a better showing there. He even explains the breeding situation. Mark gets to live because he survived by the skin of his teeth.
Get off the mothers they dont matter. Only pure Viltrumites or as close as matter. It's a breeding program. Smh, relax.
A small spoiler - there are less than a hundred Viltrumites left in the entire Universe.
When leaving any kind of spoiler you should space it away from the top of your comment using the "return" key
Like this.
How is that a small spoiler bruh?😆
The reason Nolan can feel something like compassion and a need to protect these bug people is precisely because of what he already did on Earth. Perhaps having done it and completed it would have weighed on his memory for a while, but trying and him not being able to do it is what weighs much more on him. You can also see how strict and restrictive the Viltrumite indoctrination is, everyone we have seen has had that contempt for life outside other Viltrumites but even among them, they had the absolute contempt for the lack of strength even within their own race. If you live in a society like that, you will naturally turn out like them, because if you don't, then you won't live. It can also be seen in the opposite way, Mark should be for them an enemy with opposite ideas, but he has Viltrumite DNA and for them, he demonstrated his strength to at least deserve that DNA. That's why he can live with another chance until he proves unable to serve the Viltrum Empire at all.
One of your best reactions. This was a joy to watch.
If the books do contain anti Viltrum intelligence, doesn't that mean Nolans confliction began to manifest in indirect action soon after meeting Debbie? I mean, no matter how you slice it, it would be an act of treason.
I think writing was a way for him to make money due to his superpowers (he can knock out a whole book in like two days) and he was just kind of un-creative in general at that point in his life, so he chose to write about all the missions he got sent on in his early days when he was an elite soldier hunting down threats to the empire. I’m pretty sure in the comic he was a semi-famous author who got big writing travel guides.
7:39 I think it might mostly be that they all live so much shorter than he does. 14:40 He might have also seen Debbie as a partner and loves her too but she hasn't and won't be there for most his life cause she will be dead after one of Viltrums years which probably is like a few hundred human years long.
One thing I feel like people really do not understand when they hate Omniman is how fucking old he really is. He is likely thousands of years old, born on Viltrum and taught by them for likely a majority of his life. He is a person with a good heart put into a world where that cannot exist. Compare him to the other Viltrumites, they are all monsters with no regard for life in comparison to him. Not saying he did the right thing, but I don't think anyone else could have done better than him in his shoes.
That is not a sun, that is a black hole, honestly the fact that he was able to resist its pull powerscales him above what I think he is capable of in the comics.
Nolan's speeches in season 1 was also him trying to convince himself IMO. To me it felt like the tug of war inside of him was obvious, but he was trying hard to pull himself back to the viltrumite indoctrination he's experinced for how many ever thousands of years he's been alive. Even his pet comment is part of this and I think over time we'll see more of him dealing wtih that way of life he lived for so long.
Nolan is over 2 thousand years old and raised to be a certain way. It's a miracle that 20 years on Earth changed him enough to defy his race.
Nolan is actually a goodmen, especially when compared to the rest of his race.
Ahh this is why im starting to love invincible. A hero that finally understands you NEED to kill some people. Some people are unsavable and to save many sometimes you must get rid of plain old straight up evil. Not everything is grey some things are simply black and white.
if you can understand Zuko's metamorphosis you should understand Nolan's.
the Debbie walk with the music , got me so hard when I watched , btw it's Olympus by Blondshell
i sympathize with nolan his whole life for hundreds maybe thousands of years he was taught to kill and conquer to change that whole thought process in a matter for years is hard someone who hasn't known love someone who hasn't known compassion since child birth all he knew was kill or be killed , feeling all those new emotions can be very hard on someone.
Okay, one thing I wanna make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR about who's having it easy TRUTHFULLY 😡❗Debbie or Nolan, and the show COMPLETELY MANIPULATES the audience's emotions, and SADLY awakeproductions completely fell for this manipulation. Nolan having superpowers and being indestructible is NOTTT having it easy, in fact during this conversation with Debbie and the old man, Nolan is having a life and death battle with another strong viltrumite on another planet while Debbie is dealing with human depression and identity crisis, the magnitude of both struggling are WORLDS APART FROM EACH OTHER.
Everyone thinks their struggling is more until they have their physical and mental limits tested. Take you for example (and me as well), you talk so much about right and wrong, but a mere 2 minutes of CIA/FBI torture technique interview that they use on terrorists and you will IMMEDIATELY start begging for your life And I'm not even talking about viltrumite levels of brutality, just basic human nail peeling, acid on open wounds, open kneecaps, etc etc.
And NO, just fucking NO, having superpowers makes your life HARDER, you're no longer a part of an ordinary life, your enemies are no longer ordinary, your training is no longer ordinary, LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ANIME, Naruto, demon slayer, my hero academia, Dragonball z, one piece, death note, etc etc, EVERY ANIME you've seen, do you want the life of the MC? Or be a regular human and deal with human shit?
You know how hard it was to prevent bad things from happening like 9/11, Adolf Hitler, etc etc? Imagine them with superpowers now. You want to be a part of THAT world? Or just deal with regular human problems? This is where I disagree that Debbie is "strong"(not just "Debbie", this applies to all humans on the planet)
You are LITERALLY sitting in your comfortable home watching videos and dealing with human problems, you want to be in a life where every minute someone or the other is trying to unalive you because they consider you inferior? Against people who destroy planets? You think your verbal opinions on right and wrong matter to such people?
Here is a DANGEROUS example :
You : nolan is a piece of shit.
Gets punched
You : nolan is a pie-
Gets punched
You : nolan i-
Gets punched
You : no-
Gets punched
You : not breathing
P.S. I'm not belittling or demeaning or downplaying the struggles of Debbie, I'll saying that there are bigger things to worry about in the invisible universe more than depression, divorce and stuff) please don't twist my words.
I like Andressa 💁♀I feel bad her entire lifespan is only one year 😢
That lady Viltrumite’s defeat was jaw dropping.
not the sun, that black hole 😓
I love her reactions 😭 Great episode! I wonder how Nolan is going to escape execution. It's interesting also how many plots and villains are occurring at the same time. The writers are so freaking amazing.
Really liking the thumbnails lately 🔥
2:38, that's a black hole, enough to kill most everything
Just so you know, that is not the sun. It’s something far worse 😂
02:32 Bruh, That's not the Sun 💀
Yeah I f^cked that one up 🤣
There is no stopping a viltrumte army without killing them so mark is going to comply.
It's because of what happened on Earth that he's able to open up to the Thraxans. When he was living in Earth he always knew he'd eventually do what he did, because he was still loyal to Viltrum. He was trying to stay disconnected from them. After Mark wouldn't join him and their fight, especially the flashback thing, he realized he did care and left Earth-and abandoned his mission in the process-making him a traitor and thus his depressed flight through space and near death by black hole. After he saved the Thraxans and returned them to their home, they give him a new purpose and with no Viltrumite mission to accomplish he was able to connect to them from the start.
Nolan is so interesting , all the little things we could see here and there inside of him and it's like COME ON , you really needed all that to finally grasp life ? but on the other hand living in the viltrumites ruled word all his life , it seemed normal , when your whole environnement and it's moral since birth are like that it's adherent to see something else , althought i'd like to think it's Debbie who opened that door
i think nolan actually did love debbie, i dont think he believed what he was saying when he called debbie a pet, all the stuff he was saying wasnt him just trying to convince mark he was trying to convince himself aswell
this doesnt excuse anything its still fucked what he said and did, but humanity did rub off on him quite alot
I think he genuinely loves her as a pet. His lifespan is WAY too long for him to not see her as anything other than something that he loves but will eventually outlive. It’s not as messed up if he didn’t sleep with her though. Most ppl don’t try to mate with their pets
@@mazingg2367 I’m not reading the comics because I don’t want spoilers
Lucan is low key badass
I guess it makes sense as to why Donald was able to dodge Omni-man, he's cybernetically-enhanced.
I like your reaction and being mark's corner (wo)man. So funny. Cheers!
For omni man, 20 years is nothing. He is hundreds of years old 😭its like a 6 month relationship at most for humans
A lot of people seem to forget about the fact that Vitrumites can live for thousands of years so human are like pet no matter how much Nolan loves her.
Humanity is intellectually and emotionally on the same level as him, if not higher. So it's different from a human and pet relationship. The Immortal is around the same age as Nolan and he doesn't think the same way. Not that Nolan truly feels that way either, that was just a way for him to try to force himself back into the role of a ruthless conqueror.
Hmmm, I'm not sure it's so hard to understand Nolan, and I find it hard to truly hate him. He's essentially a citizen of a super galactic dictatorship that raised him to believe that only power matters. Living is something you only deserve if you earn it. Given how he was forced to grow up and the uncountable years he spent getting indoctrinated like that, I don't think I could see a way for him to be better than he is. The fact that he even broke out of it at all is commendable, honestly. Do you know how many people who have been indoctrinated as a child have even the smallest inkling of wondering "why does this not match what I'm supposed to believe?" Not many at all, and that's only with people who've spent a scant few years to decades under a totalitarian regime or an oppressive religion or cult. This guy spent thousands under one, and he started turning his belief system around in a miniscule fraction of that time.
Asking, "why do they feel like that?" when you're talking about a Viltrumite's perspective is the same as asking why the parents of Jonestown fed their kids poison, or why the vast majority of Nazi Germany willingly participated in the dehumanization of Jewish people.
It doesn't excuse him, but that doesn't mean I hate him either. I pity him just as much as I pity anyone who grew up like that, and I can think of countless situations where people have done just as bad to their own children because they were indoctrinated, and some of those people weren't even sucked into it until they were adults with working brains.
As messed up as it sounds since Nolan lives for thousands of years, he’s moments with Debbie probably didn’t even have a big part of he’s life but he still loved her like how we love our pets , when our dog dies we mourn and cry , so in Nolan’s eyes our species short lives and fragility probably why he sees us as pets
Lol remember Nolan was raised for thousands of years among savages. Ofc it’s extremely hard for him to even see marks point of view. Imagine being raised as a racist for THOUSANDS of years. Ur saying u wouldn’t be a piece of shit 😭😂
Crash into a black hole, much more destructive than a star
I believe in the comics, Omni man was in that planet for a year or so (i could be wrong)
I hope Omni Man gets redemption and on marks side cause I love a villain turning good arc. And on top of that would love seeing you get angry over him getting the redemption he deserves 😊
This ep was like too much for me. Debbie is going through hard time, atom eve is struggling, and seeing nolan again , with his new family.( I hope his new wife and son survive the veltrumite attack at least..) but the good things that happen was , art giving debbie the talk she needed, and Donald finding out he is a (stronger) clone. I hope Cecil ready with a shit tons of sounds base weapons for the veltrumite's when they come...😨
Holan could Have Thousands Kids with every female on this planet.
That's a Good way to biuld an army, actually Against an Empire. Mark shoud get on Doing That.
spoiler that happens later w a different viltriumite
@@TheDANVEL The funny thing is, I just remembered it, I read a comics so many years ago that I forgot "The strongest" does it later.
7:01 One hella funny title card gag.
The reason Debbie was a pet was simple. Nolan was still a soldier, a viltrumite. Still trying to take over earth. Groomed to do so for at least a thousand years. She was used to help him blend in. She was a pet. But by episode 8 season 1 mark changed his morality. His second wife is not a pet. Sadly Debbie will have to live with that.