Good video - I'm a squash player and golfer (decent club/team standard for both) and much of what you say/demonstrate is common to both - and I guess the part you (sort of refer to but not quite convey..) is the weight transfer (what you called 'movement') in addition to unwinding a loaded core (upper body rotation/shoulder turn). Tons of good video in the golf world on this and it's where the last part of real power increases come from (assuming you have decent rotation, plus good 'lag' driven by elbow and wrist loading/unwinding)....also one last thing, in backhand the use/lack of use of the non-racquet arm is significant (closed to open for balance) and open to closed for forehand...
Like the measurement and the outcome is logical. Just a thought tho - the ball is warming up as you progress. So perhaps could have also tried going in the reverse order as well to see if that created any impact
Yes. Shoulder Rotation is vital in generating the power. In fact, the shoulder rotation also helps greatly in setting up direction for accuracy hitting. Example like cross drive, the degree of shoulder rotate helps to set up the direction more or less to the exact spot u wanted the ball to land at the first bounce, obviously it is the side wall nick after the service box at the opposite side, in this case.
Thanks - you’re one step ahead 😂 I tried some hitting tonight - the other thing that really helped was engaging the core / resisting with the side of your body as you twist round. Thanks for the help and keep up the experiments 🙂
Thanks, this was interesting. I know this sounds dumb, but I don't really get how to rotate my upper body. I watch others do it, but about the only time I can do it, is when the ball hits the back wall for some reason. The rest of the time, I can barely hit the ball as my timing seems off or my position to the ball or the height of the ball. You make this look easy..
Move your racquet head quickly to the side of the court that the ball is on (left or right) as soon as it comes off the front wall. Your shoulders and feet will follow the racquet
Fantastic video and great idea for an experiment. Please make more of this staff. I think there's more to it then just rotating your upper body. Stabilization and firmly placing your feet on the ground is equally important.
very neat video good job. have used radar guns in the past showing over 150mph etc on court with me and a fellow pro but i was always interested in how much speed in percentage terms a ball LOSES after frontwall impact. can you do a vid on that? roughly i always heard about 40% loss after hitting frontwall so who knows? rotation assuming one has TIME and not under pressure, wrist strength from tons of solo and transferring weight from back to forward foot is huge. the rest is perfect sweet spot strike and a long line of hit in order to gain top speeds. like anything takes tremendous of work. nice swing also!
Not sure if you are meaning upper body rotation as you hit the ball or just rotation before you hit the ball? anyway If you pause the video at 2:45 take note of the shoulder position on Shot 1 - The shoulder is pointing towards the front corner. Shot 3 - The shoulder is pointing towards the the impact of the ball. If you started shot 1 at the position you started shot 3 you should find you will get more power. You can still keep your body still at this point and only use your arm and with no body rotation. Think of the racket as an extension of your arm and the shoulder is the beginning. Shot 3 is the position I always teach no matter how hard you are trying to hit the ball. This generates racket head speed directly behind in the direction you intend to hit it. So thats the start of the big lever, then the next biggest lever down the arm/racket is the elbow. Shot 1 - The elbow is pointing at the ball impact point so really your only hitting generation racket head speed from your tricep. Shot 3 - You have closed the gap between the hand and the shoulder meaning you can generate more speed from your tricep muscle. So for beginners the biggest thing to focus on is 1 - Shoulder position and 2 - Hand position. Would love to see the same experiment with the first shot done starting with the same position as number 3 and another one done with you stepping sideways through the same direction as your hitting the ball. Great video keep up the good work.
That would be a great demonstration. As others have mentioned, they seem to struggle with the upper body rotation but if they can at least get their shoulder in a strong position it will set them up well for the shot regardless. Thanks for the suggestion! By the way, I really enjoy the videos you put out on your channel as well. Talking directly to the camera is a skill I wouldn't mind getting better at.
Even if I turn my body to harness power which is supposed to be forced upon thee ball,I could not get it nailed while winding up and down my body to zoom in on it..
Could you please do a video on the effects of grips? And how much grip is different who it comes to a forehand & a backhand? Cocked wrist vs uncocked wrist?
Great video. Results would be interesting measuring the degree of shoulder internal to external rotation. Often this comes down to technique over and above what your video outlines.
Did you take all the shots in close frame of time? Just asking because I was wondering about the ball getting warmer with each shot. Not sure if it makes too much of a difference still if the warming is just marginal.
I did my best to warm up the ball equally before each test but I didn't measure the temperature of the ball precisely. That would actually be another interesting experiment. See how the temperature of the ball affects velocity.
Nice way of calculating speed and the three videos side by side is great, thanks
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
Exactly.. How the experienced players hit the ball so much harder than I do..So frustrating.. My gosh.. Thanks..
thank you for compiling this. Nowhere else have I seen this issue being demonstrated as well as you have done.
Good video - I'm a squash player and golfer (decent club/team standard for both) and much of what you say/demonstrate is common to both - and I guess the part you (sort of refer to but not quite convey..) is the weight transfer (what you called 'movement') in addition to unwinding a loaded core (upper body rotation/shoulder turn). Tons of good video in the golf world on this and it's where the last part of real power increases come from (assuming you have decent rotation, plus good 'lag' driven by elbow and wrist loading/unwinding)....also one last thing, in backhand the use/lack of use of the non-racquet arm is significant (closed to open for balance) and open to closed for forehand...
Totally agree, is there also a hip rotation or pop that gives the final extra bit of power?
great analysis, first I’ve seen with this thoroughness
those portable lights are lovely :)
Like the measurement and the outcome is logical. Just a thought tho - the ball is warming up as you progress. So perhaps could have also tried going in the reverse order as well to see if that created any impact
Thank you! Awesome breakdown of the simple physics of how to get more power; very insightful.
Well done! Simple yet easily understood. Keep it up..
thanks for the experiment!
This is excellent stuff!
Yes. Shoulder Rotation is vital in generating the power. In fact, the shoulder rotation also helps greatly in setting up direction for accuracy hitting. Example like cross drive, the degree of shoulder rotate helps to set up the direction more or less to the exact spot u wanted the ball to land at the first bounce, obviously it is the side wall nick after the service box at the opposite side, in this case.
Does shoulder rotation mean here backwards rotation and then forward rotation?
thank you that is awesome
Nicely done! It would be interesting to see how racket / wrist position affects power too 👍
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Thanks - you’re one step ahead 😂 I tried some hitting tonight - the other thing that really helped was engaging the core / resisting with the side of your body as you twist round. Thanks for the help and keep up the experiments 🙂
Thanks, this was interesting. I know this sounds dumb, but I don't really get how to rotate my upper body. I watch others do it, but about the only time I can do it, is when the ball hits the back wall for some reason. The rest of the time, I can barely hit the ball as my timing seems off or my position to the ball or the height of the ball. You make this look easy..
networkn Practice volleying the ball to develop timing.
Move your racquet head quickly to the side of the court that the ball is on (left or right) as soon as it comes off the front wall. Your shoulders and feet will follow the racquet
Great demonstration, TPOS
This is great, what about the forehand that's where I have more problems generating power ?
I didn't know that, great, Thx
Fantastic video and great idea for an experiment. Please make more of this staff. I think there's more to it then just rotating your upper body. Stabilization and firmly placing your feet on the ground is equally important.
Awesome demonstration. Thumbs up
Thanks!
very neat video good job. have used radar guns in the past showing over 150mph etc on court with me and a fellow pro but i was always interested in how much speed in percentage terms a ball LOSES after frontwall impact. can you do a vid on that? roughly i always heard about 40% loss after hitting frontwall so who knows? rotation assuming one has TIME and not under pressure, wrist strength from tons of solo and transferring weight from back to forward foot is huge. the rest is perfect
sweet spot strike and a long line of hit in order to gain top speeds. like anything takes tremendous of work. nice swing also!
Not sure if you are meaning upper body rotation as you hit the ball or just rotation before you hit the ball? anyway If you pause the video at 2:45 take note of the shoulder position on Shot 1 - The shoulder is pointing towards the front corner. Shot 3 - The shoulder is pointing towards the the impact of the ball. If you started shot 1 at the position you started shot 3 you should find you will get more power. You can still keep your body still at this point and only use your arm and with no body rotation. Think of the racket as an extension of your arm and the shoulder is the beginning. Shot 3 is the position I always teach no matter how hard you are trying to hit the ball. This generates racket head speed directly behind in the direction you intend to hit it. So thats the start of the big lever, then the next biggest lever down the arm/racket is the elbow. Shot 1 - The elbow is pointing at the ball impact point so really your only hitting generation racket head speed from your tricep. Shot 3 - You have closed the gap between the hand and the shoulder meaning you can generate more speed from your tricep muscle. So for beginners the biggest thing to focus on is 1 - Shoulder position and 2 - Hand position.
Would love to see the same experiment with the first shot done starting with the same position as number 3 and another one done with you stepping sideways through the same direction as your hitting the ball.
Great video keep up the good work.
That would be a great demonstration. As others have mentioned, they seem to struggle with the upper body rotation but if they can at least get their shoulder in a strong position it will set them up well for the shot regardless. Thanks for the suggestion! By the way, I really enjoy the videos you put out on your channel as well. Talking directly to the camera is a skill I wouldn't mind getting better at.
Even if I turn my body to harness power which is supposed to be forced upon thee ball,I could not get it nailed while winding up and down my body to zoom in on it..
Could you please do a video on the effects of grips? And how much grip is different who it comes to a forehand & a backhand? Cocked wrist vs uncocked wrist?
Arslan Ali funny you mention it. That is exactly what I was planning for the next experiment.
Good work! Good video! Thanks!
Faaaaaantastic stuff!!
Neat.
I am curious to learn your method for calculating speed based on the sound?
Speed equals distance upon time
Very cool
Great video. Results would be interesting measuring the degree of shoulder internal to external rotation. Often this comes down to technique over and above what your video outlines.
Did you take all the shots in close frame of time? Just asking because I was wondering about the ball getting warmer with each shot. Not sure if it makes too much of a difference still if the warming is just marginal.
If anything the ball would get cooler. I gave it a real beating to heat it up before I started lol.
OK nice.
Did you take the temperature of the ball into consideration?
I did my best to warm up the ball equally before each test but I didn't measure the temperature of the ball precisely. That would actually be another interesting experiment. See how the temperature of the ball affects velocity.
@@ThePursuitofSquash mph would go up considerably 100%. you cause a cooks infrared thermometer gun to see temps
drop the music , so annoying .