Yanis Varoufakis on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine & the US policy of ensuring the war goes on forever
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2022
- Here's an excerpt from an interview Orbán tried to suppress in Hungary. DiEM25 co-founder Yanis Varoufakis explains why solidarity with Ukrainians means condemning both Putin’s criminal invasion, and the US policy of ensuring this war goes on forever to enrich the military-industrial complex.
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Come on Mr.Varoufakis.
If Sensible Educated People Were in Charge, War Would Never Break Out Again..
Russia should have been properly bought into the fold of nations after Gorbachav, negotiations and '91. Why weren't they? Too many American's in power might still have a 'reds under the bed' mentality
^^^Precisely this! They weren't because of this fantasyland thinking the Americans have about permanent hegemony everywhere. We want to balkanize Russia and then rape it for all it has. Look at what we've done everywhere else. We are in Syria now pillaging it for its oil. 125bn stolen so far and counting. Russia's strategic resources are well documented. They have tremendous amounts of strategic resources. From metals, energy, etc. Everything we want. And we will stop at nothing to get it. But just like Hitler tried it probably won't work. In the nuclear age this could mean apocalypse of course but the Russians have proven I think that they won't be dictated to by Europeans. The criminals that have seized Washington on the other hand are used to getting their way. I mean they've been virtually unopposed since the 90s. And now it's a case of lesser intellect and spoiled rotten. Like a toddler we expect that you do as we say when we say it. If you don't we lose our shit completely. And this is what's playing out now. Petty criminal petulance and bad temper. These people won't stop until someone antes up and decided to have a go at Washington. When bombs start exploding on American soil that's when the Americans will start waking up. Sadly by then it will probably be too late.
They don't deserve to be in the fold of nations.
Yanis spitting truth again. We need the full interview!
it's right here:
ua-cam.com/video/oQrB4iygTb0/v-deo.html
True - there is now Europe. We are all controlled by the USA. We have to built an axis with Anti-US powers like China, Russia, Syria and Iran. Don't believe Westeners. They deploy social engeneering by inventing "human rights".
Divide Et Impera. Keep them fighting
@n k isn't it funny that both the dollar and the rubel are up on forex? aka, yes
@n k Yeah, you bet someone's making a ton of money off of this.
NATO’s fave times eastward expansion is intentionally overlooked? Putin’s repeated warnings are snubbed and ignored, overlooked as well? What would you have done if you were the president of Russia?
If I were Putin - I would have worked on my own country - increasing wealth of the citizenry, raising health and education of citizenry; made Russia the model that Ukraine and every bordering state would want to follow.
Why worry about NATO if you have committed friends?
Instead, Putin has made Russia a pariah, destroyed Russia's economy, and sacrificed a generation of young Russian men - all to no achievement. Not so much Alexander as Kaiser Wilhelm.
NOW Russia has to worry about NATO (and the Chinese, and the Indians, and anybody else with a shared border and an army).
NOW Russia has an 'army' with little equipment, little training, and lots of corpses.
NOW Russia has a committed anti-Russian state along their southern border, and an alarmed and well-armed state along their north-western border (Russia invading a country, Russia killing people, Russia committing war crimes - all tends to make one a committed anti-Russian).
The cold war is over and the USSR lost, because it was a crummy system. Who is Putin to "warn" about anything? He's the dictator of Russia. No more no less. Same middling economic status as Canada (but with a crapload of nukes..) so what's that say? The eastern European countries - democracies - prefer to be aligned with the West after years of being behind that black and white iron curtain. Maybe moreso after Putin's political opponents fell out of windows, were poisoned, jailed or shot. Likewise with Ukraine, too bad about the base in Crimea.. Also this idea seems to be that Nato is ever expanding (not on their invitation - it's the countries' wishes) while ignoring that Russia also has bases all over the place, and outside its borders.
no such thing as NATO expansion
As Varoufakis said. There is no European politics. It's always the USA. And they are controlled by shady people meeting in a back room of a pizza place. Russia needs to take back Alaska from the greedy and corrupt Americans.
What about the fkn western powers in the middle Eastern countries,.Syria 🇸🇾 lybia. Afghanistan. Iraq 🇮🇶 Lebanon. Somalia 🇸🇴 Yemen 🇾🇪 Iran. Israel 🇮🇱.
It is ok when the US does it.
ok for ruski to murder 27k innocent ppl in Alleppo
Very true
"We must defend the invaded, we must defend Ukraine... but within reason".
And WTF is that supposed to mean Yanis? Goodbye Yanis.
It means we don’t do it a greater cost to the people of the UK
Taking the U.S. made nuclear missiles out of the countries surrounding Russia. Promising Ukraine will not enter NATO. Promising to not expand NATO further. Basically make concessions on the things that will not negatively impact the Ukrainian people, or the sovereignty of the Ukrainian state. This stuff would not even impact European people negatively. It will only hurt the western elites. They can't have that, so the people must suffer.
Yes, you can turn this around, and Putin does something similar. That is exactly Yanis' point. It goes both ways. The west nor Russia are the good guys. There is just elitist infighting, and the people (of Ukraine, of Russia, of the rest of Europe) suffer, and must be brainwashed to believe that it's in their own interest to oppose the elite of the other side (something that is more succesful in the west than in Russia).
@@7th808s I agree with some of what you say. But it's very patronising to suggest so many people have been 'brainwashed' as if they can't make up their own minds from the available evidence. Speaking of which, I would suggest one side has far greater access to the available evidence than the other.
I think he's wrong:
Putin, bare of an alternative to watching the geostrategic and economic beginning of the end of the Russian Federation (with the crucial lynch pin to such a progression being the "western" governance over Crimea) had indeed no choice as to militarily preempt the western sponsored, by then a 15 year long financial, political and since 2014 military preparation of Ukraine to enable the west to (re-)gain governance over Crimea...
There was actually no choice and the opposite claim is the actual short-sighted rubbish, Yannis (&Co.) ☝️
exactly, i just made a similar comment about it, you're spot on
Can Yannis give us his thoughts on what the people of Donbass have been living through the past 8 years? And does their right to self determination perhaps factor in to anything?
He'd probably say that the will of the people of the Donbas didn't matter to the major players as much as the shit on their boots. This is a game between insane world powers and the people of the Donbas matter not at all.
They were occupied by russia duh
@@ilonatong3534 they were attacked by extreme Ukrainian nationalist battalions after the 2014 ousting of Yanukovych who'd agreed to early elections. They also had the right to speak Russian curtailed. Several times since Ukrainian independence in 1991, Donbas and Crimea expressed a wish for greater autonomy from central government.
@@GabrielHellborne Well that would be a very shortsighted and unsatisfactory answer. While world power games certainly are at play, it would be very hard for Putin to politically survive had he allowed Russians in the Donbass to be slaughtered by Ukraine. Russian people know what has been going on there for the past 8 years and they certainly aren't indifferent to fellow Russians being bombed and terrorized.
@@ilonatong3534 ua-cam.com/video/pq-pM-JPBCQ/v-deo.html Don't know, these people don't look occupied to me.
I would like Yanis to explain how Putin could done differently. Not just declaring his regime is criminal.
Exactly!
He won’t because he’s Russiophobic, along with the rest of the EU
And explain how for 8 years Putin denounced Ukraine for not upholding the Minsk Agreements and criticized Germany and France for allowing the continued shelling of Donbass.
Also he needs to explain why the US refused and sabotaged the Istanbul peace negotiations in March when the war could have ended.
"How Putin could have done differently"? How about not invading a sovereign country?
@@jimmytimmy3680 I wont let you memory hole this!
Russia never had any interest in peace negotations. They never backed down from their demands, they didn't even proposed a cease fire for the duration of the early negotiations and made the initial talks be held in Belarus!
The talks ended after the horrors of Bucha, Irpin and all the other towns were revealed.
RE shelling of Donbas: It was mostly the russian proxy forces and the ru army itself who violated every single cease fire agreed in both minsk agreements.
*Yanis - once again proving you can hold a political position* ----------- that is illogical - irrational & baseless ------------------------ *yet still sound convincing*
Weapons to be sold, money to be made. Get real, it is business as usual.
The Crapitalist Overlords corrupt everything.
And a game from psychopats. 🌎
Do you have the entire event?
Hi Kym, the full video is available here: ua-cam.com/video/oQrB4iygTb0/v-deo.html
@@DiEM25official USA has been INVADING Syria, how long? Destroying food & stealing oil? I could cite details about Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Central American nations, Venezuela, Iran, etc. and as you well know "economic sanctions" are an ACT OF WAR.
500,000 Iraqi CHILDREN murdered by USA "economic sanctions". An extreme act of VIOLENCE when acknowledging the CONSEQUENCES for those "targeted", eh?
"Sanctions" are "siege warfare".
But USA/NATO install 'coup' gov't & militarizing/training/arming Ukrainians specifically AGAINST Russia (including those who openly murder Russian-speaking people of ANY nationality, especially "Russian-speaking-Ukrainians")?
That is not a USA/NATO 'invasion' of Ukraine? You folks are confused about behaviors & word language.
USA/NATO & USA military & (not so) 'covert agencies' are OCCUPYING most of "the west" keeping their 'economies' under the USA 'thumb'.
I thought an "economist" would have a more comprehensive GRASP of hegemonic dynamics. Very disappointing for many who have considered you as a source of 'wisdom'.
"NATO is a suicide pill to the world. So if you want peace, pray for a Russian victory." ~Scott Ritter
What bullshit. I bet you you wouldn't catch Varoufakis dead with such a phrase on his lips. Currently, Europe falls in step with US exactly BECAUSE we have no foreign policy... and if we want to support UKraine, which we DO and MUST then UNTIL we get our act together we need the help of US. Is that cool? Hell, no. But currently, because we have been dummies, we now have the choice between two evils. I am going to choose US over Putin any time. I am listening to what the countries are saying to themselves. US is deeply divided and people are constantly shouting at each other. But at least they are still talking. Russia: sounds like Germany in 1938-9. As a German I was only taught ONE thing in history REALLY well: The utter shit that went down because of Germany. I am learning A LOT MORE now and damn it: It is all going down in Ukraine AGAIN! And no one can tell me that the times before it was the US. Fault! It was Germany and then it was the USSR. Lets help Ukraine, get RUssia out of there, and then build Europe again.
I feel it's possible to overstate U.S.control of Europe. Certainly one leader would fear going against the consensus set by the rest. But that's true of any lone component of a group. Doesn't change the fact that there is indeed a consensus among European ruling classes to coordinate with the U.S. in imperialist projects and to gain from such projects. Hence why little Britain still controls more than half the world's wealth.
@Grayble's Gringus Easy. The figures involved in Britain's tax havens alone are vast enough to be described as “the backbone of global capitalism.” (cambridge university press)
D-did you just say "little Britain" lmao
The truth!
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Thank God for Yanis. If you find him too left wing try Matt Taibbi.
What a huge disappointment Yanis is ...
And your compassion & urge to defend the people of the Donbas, Yanis?
Do we have duties only to those who are actually invaded?
Where does that leave the Yemenis?
After 8 years of breaching the Minsk Accords by Ukraine & Western signatories, after attempt after Russia's attempt to warn & engage in diplomacy, please explain the options that remained.
As far as I have heard, it is my government which has declared the intention to foment regime change, Balkanization & recolonization of Russia... NOT Russian intent to establish any form of hegemony upon the West... that is behind this NATO proxy conflict.
When faced with an enemy intent on your ultimate annihilation, is diplomacy wise?
How has that worked out for any other country on PNAC's list?
Agree totally!! Good comment! ✊
Yes!...nobody is talking about numerous times that Russia warned about ukraine not respectng the Minsk Accords and offered to have peaceful resolutions.
And the US total arrogant refusal of Russia's security concerns and red lines. The US refused Russia's last diplomatic request in December 2021.
The US obviously wanted the war to destroy the German economy and get off the cheap Russian gas and hopefully do a regime change inRussia to balkanize it and steal their resources.
It is important not to forget the US decision to sabotage the March Istanbul peace negotiations that would have put an end to the war but that was not ideal for the US Military Industrial Complex and US gas companies who are making billions.
Exactly, as much as he’s brilliant professor of economics, Yanis is incredibly wet behind his ears when it comes to geopolitics.
The peoples of Donbas chose "self-determination" over the USA/NATO installed Kiev gov't. Kiev bombed them for it. Donbas asked for Russian assistance. Russia 'recognized' their independent 'states' and entered BY INVITATION of the people of Donbas, who then voted to join the Russian Federation. Russia accepted their union.
Ever heard of Kosovo? They 'joined' NATO...
It would be nice to hear more about what specific policies are working towards the idea of a “permanent war”. Because this video is just an unjustified opinion
Shut up cia
This hasn't aged well. :)
Could it be that it is _EU influencing Biden_ (Atlanticism?), and that it is possible to elect an executive that would resist that influence? I think the former may be probable and the latter improbable. Am I incorrect? If so, what are the indications to the contrary?
The Crapitalist Overlords control everything.
......and here I thought this man had a brilliant mind...yet he can't seem to fig out this war was started by NATO and it's American master
What , if anything, do established international borders mean?
About as much as whether you can defend them or not.
EU and USA have no borders so why so interested in Ukraine borders, closed borders are racist right!
So, what is the alternative? If you give Putin even a little he will ask for more. Give him the Crimea, he wants Donbas. Give him Donbas he want Ukraine. Give him Ukraine and he'll want Hungary. Give him Hungary and he'll want Poland. I am not for war. I just don't see an alternative to fighting a man like Putin. If Yanis or anyone else knows the answer to this, they sure are not saying so.
No NATO expansion & war by US in every continent.
A sphincter says what?
Historically Russian and strategic, Crimea was not going to be ceded to a Ukraine aligning with the USA via NATO. Especially not in light of a belligerent US unilateralism and the Wolfowitz/Bush doctrine. As for Donbas, Putin's policy, considered soft by many Russian politicians, was to push for the Minsk agreement - he didn't recognise Donbas independence or statehood.
Well the people of Donbass want Russia, so it's a win-win. Here is a channel with plenty of interviews with the people on the ground ua-cam.com/video/pq-pM-JPBCQ/v-deo.html
Nobody gives Crimea to Russia. Crimea voted 3 times to be back to Russia. First time even before Ukr was independent from the Soviet Union, in 1991.
the alternative would be if america minded its own business we would have a safer world with less conflicts
ok Yanis what was his other option after 8 years of flagrant attacks on the Donbass ?; please elaborate- or anybody, lets hear another option
I fear that Putin has miscalculated with unleashing this war. This war could lead to a huge drain on Russian resources and result in the breakup of the Russian Federation if it drags on, as you say, in the US best interests.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
The break up of Russian federation or significant decline leads directly to much stronger China which isn't in the US interest.
The Russians will not lose and they are diverting their exports to China and India who resell them at a higher price ti the US and Europe. Lol.
The Russians will only become stronger in the following years alomg with a lot of countries trying to join BRICS and the SCO like Argentina, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and others.
Breakup of Russia is in everyone’s best interests. Speaking as a Russian citizen
@@TheChromanoise A break up of the Russian Federation will lead to a dominant China.
Good to see Varoufakis squirming a bit and adjusting his tune on Ukraine by "clarifying" his otherwise full alignment on Putin's rhetoric on the invasion of Ukraine. Like other left-wing populists (eg, Mélenchon in France) who also share his views that this invasion was somehow triggered by some fabled US/NATO aggressive stance, he just can't let go. His "clarification" is purely rhetorical: Step 1, "I was misunderstood / misquoted / I never said X. Yes, yes, the invasion is bad, and I've always said it's bad." Step 2 (the "but" part), "The US is in charge." "They lead the whole thing." "They are the primary beneficiaries." By some sleigh of hand, Putin is swept under the rug, and we should conclude that the US must have wanted this war, "because look at how they want this war to continue."
Like magic, a murderous autocrat who decided to invade another country without any justification and only to ensure the survival of his regime, is now a mere puppet in the hands of much more nefarious forces: the US military complex led by an 80 year old war monger (yeah, the same guy his opponents nicknamed "sleepy Joe" during the campaign...) The only problem is that Putin can decide anytime to stop this war by simply calling back his troops vs. sending his youth to die by the tens of thousands. Hard to see what NATO or the US could do to prevent him from doing this, but if ever this were to happen, let's count on Varoufakis to explain why such retreat benefits the US, etc.
NATO could literally tell Ukraine to agree to Putin's negotiation pleads or the Minsk agreement and the war would be over. It's not the US that seeks negotiation it is Putin
@@xibucksgrindset6379 Perhaps Putin should talk more loudly. With all the noise from the bombing of their houses, the Ukrainians can't hear his pleas that they stop resisting. NATO should tell the Ukrainians to come out from their basement, so negotiations can start. Putin doesn't appreciate being left waiting, and Ukrainians don't want to see him when he's upset.
@@xibucksgrindset6379 Perhaps Putin needs to speak more loudly. With all the noise from the daily bombing, and living in their basement with no water or electricity, Ukrainians probably can't hear his pleas. History will remember that Putin did everything in his power to stop this war, including sending tens of thousands of young Russians to die for no reason in a foreign country.
"Like magic, a murderous autocrat who decided to invade another country without any justification *STOP*" this is where you use the slight of hand and twist bias. Both are terrible, but if us and nato had played fair and not expanded influence putin REALLY would have 0 good reason to invade. Whole international community would have sided with us europe etc. But everybody around the world knows usa has been a provacative chaotic fgorce for years. And it's not the average american's fault, it's their ruling elites.
The problem I have with Yanis on Ukraine is that he seems to overlook the will Ukrainian people. They are fighting for their lives, begging for weapons. What does Yanis mean when he says help them "within reason"....sure the US will have it's own aims, but thanks to them the Ukrainians just might get their country back. I find this focus on how the US is running the show to be utterly insulting to the Ukrainians who are choosing their own path here.
this is a legacy left behind from the Great War, Bolshevik Revolution and following the creation and fall of USSR.
unfortutanely, this war is a battle for existence of Ukraininan people, which in long run will make them slaves of US, who is not better, if not worse than Russia. it is not win-win; it is lose-lose situation. there seem to be no good side in this position for an outsider.
@@ArazZeynisoy lol. What a clown. 🤣😂
Exactly my thoughts, Leonie! 👍
@@ArazZeynisoy BS! The US helped Germany a lot after WW2 and I think most of us Germans are grateful for that! On the other hand, the Russians did terrible things in the eastern part of Germany during the occupation. If I had to choose between the Russians and the US, I would 110% choose the US side! I would rather be dead than live in a Russian dictatorship.
Ukraine lost the war in 2014 when they started bombing their own citizens.
It's impossible in a movie of 2:30 minutes first half of it to be only insults and name calling. It's like insulting your opponent before trying to have a debate. Cutting all bridges then talk... All wars are crimes. War is an organized crime.
I see Yanis having basically a cognitive dissonance, on one side the invader is always wrong, yet the invaded is backed by a big bad empire that wants the war to be forever.
Just like Diem25 has a cognitive dissonance vis a vis of Nuclear... on one hand they (have to) know it's the safest and greenest and most socialistic energy generation form we know (not on "the most" and on "we know" ) but on the other hand they fear it (probably because none of them are nuclear scientists) and the hand that feeds them says: "no!".
This is when I unsubscribe. Disappointed Yanis. Lol. Really.
Fairwell lol
Yeah I am dissapointed as well. Yanis should really stick to his strong suit which is economics.
He's allowed to be mistaken a few things
@@joeldwest The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Can Yanis please move to Russia
A "criminal" war? That´s an embarrasing statement for a self-assigned intellectual heavyweight like Yanis. Listen to any Maersheimer speech on the topic and educate yourself.
Is Putins war not criminal?
all war is criminal
@@SD_Alias have american presidents not been war criminals?
@@richardconnelly7141 Yes maybe, but does that put Putin's guilt into perspective? Do you want to distract from Russia's murders or put them into perspective with what America has done?
Mr. Varoufakis should stick to economic theory where he reigns supreme, and leave geopolitics to the adults. It’ll do him a world of good.
The two have become inseparable: NATO fed by the global industrial military complex is good for European /US business and good for Biden.
Yeah he clearly is only considering the Ukrainian side as he said he always supports the invaded country. Completely disregarding the motives of Russia. It is very simplistic and naive.
What about those civilians in the Donbass that were being eliminated for 8 years?
It’s more a position for peace generally instead of for war, to stand with all the victims instead of falling in with western liberal media’s propaganda circus and then by extension with the aggressors. Why did Putin allow himself to be pushed - he turned himself into a war criminal - is the real question.
@@jimmytimmy3680 You mean the 25 civilians in 2020 and 26 in 2021? Tragic, yes. Cause for war killing tens of thousands of civilians, especially when the deaths are from proxy war you yourself started? Let's go with No.
Yes, Putin unleashed a war of choice, but The US and NATO (And EU nations) also choose to be allied on the side of Ukraine, and choose to put sanctions on Russia. This is NOT the default choice for every country, for example China, India, and many other countries did not officially choose a side. By choosing to support Ukraine, but not to actually fight alongside them means The US, EU, and all NATO Counties has now adapted a policy that Ukraine has to win this war no matter the cost to its nation. However, this victory must not only satisfy the condition of the Ukrainians, but more importantly it must meet the conditions of NATO countries primarily the US. Thus, how can Ukraine really seek a peace agreement if the conditions of this agreement would probably need the approval of NATO countries like the US? Especially when the weapons supply for Ukraine is coming from the NATO. I don't believe that as long as NATO is supplying Ukraine with weapons it can make a independent peace agreement with Russia. However, Ukraine probably won't be capable of continuing this war without the weapons from NATO.
Hammm NATO as an obligation to defend an invaded/attacked country. It's one of their directives! Although... That country must be part of NATO and Ukraine is not... Or wasn't because seems like Zelensky signed the papers to join NATO recently. One might say that NATO helping Ukraine, while not belonging to it, was an illegal act but... Well, when you get a familiar country attacked and invaded you can't exactly go "that's not on the legal papers so I can't do nothing". You try to help! Because there are people dying!
China, India and other countries don't have an allied institution that "demands" them to join or help a side! They do whatever they want!
If countries and people can avoid a war... They will do it! So naturally China and India didn't chose a side, not much of a surprise there
The war can’t go on forever. Russia will run out of equipment. 😂