From the Element web-site: FIGHTS ALL MAJOR FIRE CLASSES* INCLUDING COOKING OIL & GREASE FIRES *Not recommended for outdoor live coal fires (ie. wood campfires or logs)
What is the downside to having ABC if you only need one of them like what you mention? Or is that a specific criticism of the Element and maybe it's mechanism of working?
I assume, but I could be wrong, that an ABC extinguisher is a compromise and you’d be better off with one that is designed to fight just the kind of fire you have. My comment though was addressing the complaints here about it not working well on this brush fire, despite the product specifying that it doesn’t work well on brush fires, I mean they told you it wasn’t for that yet that’s what you tested it in. Strange.
I had a 10' tall blazing fire in my engine compartment of my 89 Ford F250. Hood was up, one spark plug removed, and turned the engine over and that cylinder blew fuel out of the spark plug hole and exploded when the plug arced against something. It was a f'ing blazing fire, 10' tall in the left side of the engine compartment. It was rolling off the hood toward the front & flames were BLOWING between the hood and the windshield. (blowing 4-5 feet high between there.) I grabbed the element I had, ignited it and pointed it at the base of the flames through the front wheel well, just above the tire, around where the headers are and it put the flames out within 3-5 seconds. I shit you not. Swear to God Almighty. That element saved my truck, no doubt in my mind. Probably the type of fire it is made for. I have them in every car and in my kitchen. Real world evidence. Believe what you want.
The problem with Element is that it doesn't cool the burning pieces, as water does. So, even if you suppress the flames, if the base is still hot enough, it will re-ignite. If the fire doesn't have a base of something that retains embers, such as wood, the Element will work as designed.
Excellent point. Note this caution on their web site: "*Not recommended for outdoor live coal fires (ie. wood campfires or logs)". Despite this, it looked as all his 'tests'' used some wood. I saw this same thing on failed reviews by several other people.
Element literally has a notice on their website that live ember fires are best extinguished with water. This holds true even when you have a dry chemical extinguisher available. Water removes two sides of the fire triangle from a live ember fire. Oh, and you're also holding it much too close to the fire and keep pulling it away/downwind of the fire, allowing it to start back up again.
Water removes one side: Heat. Of course if you drench it, it removes oxygen too but normally only cooling effect. Powder primarily removes the air (covering the fuel) but also interrupts the chemical reaction of the fire, so two for one so to say. This is why they are so extremely effective.
@@Xanthopteryx water cools the fire which yes, removes heat but also lessens the chance of the fire returning. dry chemical breaks apart the fire elements and allows the source to cool, IF it is out long enough. there is a reason this guy could not put out a fire, he was trying to shove the extinguisher into the fire, PASS would apply dry chemical whereas this typ, maybe more like PSAS Pull caps, Strike starter, Aim, Sweep. Do not forgot the sweep action.
@@ericfleming2326 Yes, as i said. Removes heat. A fire can only appear if you have: Oxygen, Heat, Combustible material. Remove heat and it can not function as a fire.
I had some dry chemical extinguishers that were old and slightly under pressure so I took them on a camping trip to show my wife how to put out a fire with a fire extinguisher. She used one on a good sized wood fire and it was like flipping a light switch. The fire went out instantly. I was going to buy some of these Element fire sticks but I've seen far too many videos like this one, they don't appear to be very effective to say the least.
@javanbybee4822 Well, they are far from impressive on the engine fires that I've seen as well. I saw a video of someone using it on a grease fire in a small pan on a stove, and while it did put it out, it was also far from impressive. I used about 15 cents worth of baking soda one time to put out a similar grease fire and it went out IMMEDIATELY. If these extinguishers are only good for certain fires, under certain conditions, they aren't worth the money. They are a false sense of security IMO. And who says there won't be wind in an engine bay fire?
Wrong performance review test. Read the instruction first and then use the fire extinguisher as per its design. The manufacturer clearly states that it's not intended for embers or burning ashes. It's a flame inhibitor.
The manufacturer claimed that it can put out oil grease fire and there is a youtube video clearly showing that it failed at that. Shilling is not a good look for you.
If it's a flame inhibitor why do they market it as a fire extinguisher on every site I've ever seen? It says it's rated for every type of fire but they don't list what size of fires they'll actually be able to handle, most extinguishers tell you how much material on fire they can extinguish, you don't want to attempt to put out a fire if your extinguisher doesn't have the capacity to actually tackle the fire
It put the fire out? A normal extinguisher would have lasted 10 second... this seems to have lasted over a minute... so you'd need TWO of these for this kind of fire and it would put it out easily... , and two or three 'normal' fire extinguishers. Should demo them side by side to see what i mean. Then also would like to see the mess also... most extinguishers leave a mess also which sucks for small fires.
@@chrisdawes7270 not all extinguishers are the same, its incredibly important to buy a fire extinguishers that are rated for its purpose in this scenario it would be a powder type extinguisher since it would be more effective and quicker rather than using multiple sticks for a longer amount of time
Granted, element specifically says it shouldn’t be used on coal fires(wood campfires, logs, etc). Besides that it’s certified for all NATO Armed Forces to use, included the US Military, EU, Aussie, NZ, &many more. Just not the US since it’s not a pressurized canister with a hose&meter since the testing body, Underwriters Laboratories won’t even consider testing it. Elements working on getting that changed since the US military does have&use them.
These Element fire sticks are pretty useless. I had a break fire on my car. I was at a car meet and had several sticks in my glove box. Tried two of them together and it had no effect. It was one of the other car owners who put the fire out with a conventional extinguisher. I carry two conventional extinguishers now. One for me and one in case I meet someone else with a fire who only has firesticks! 😂.
Whilst it's more expensive and requires upkeep even a 2.5lb/1kg ABC Powder would have put all those fires out in seconds. The fire stick concept is not new and was first marketed several decades ago (& still is I believe) by a road flare manufacturer as the Chimfex - specifically for Chimney Fires, where it does work - they never claimed it as a more universal product & still don't. Here in the UK/Europe we've gone for new extinguishing agents in traditional extinguishers with far more sucess.
2 kg powder is VERY cheap and all you have to do is check the pressure monitor to see that it is good and to turn it around a few times once a year. That's it. Will last at least ten years. 1 kg is a bit too small and above 2 kg is a bit clumsy having in the car.
@@bobstanton6444 It could considering the size of test fire it can put out, especially contained like that - I wish I had the facilities as I would try it out to check!
I would have liked seeing you do the same test with an ABC fire extinguisher for a true comparison. At my employer, we are required to have fire extinguisher training yearly. If not properly used, a regular fire extinguisher is pretty ineffective and only sprays for no about 10 seconds. It's main purpose is to knock back a fire to allow you to escape to safety.
The best fire extinguisher for fighting fires on ordinary solid matrials such as wood, paper, cloth, rubbish, bedding , upholstery, clothing etc. Is the 2.5 gallon pressurized water fire extinguisher. Its not good for grease, oil, flammable liquids, or electrical equipment. But for ordinary class A combustibles it can't be beat . I keep 2 of them at home, 1 upstairs and 1 downstairs. And when I was living in an apartment I kept on there too... just in case.
I was thinking the same thing! I almost bought this stick, but after he spent a couple hundred bucks demonstrating how ineffective it is, glad I didn’t. Thank you, OP, for putting this out there. I’ll stick with old school tank extinguishers.
You are correct, I could not get to base of the fire as I would have burned my hands. I did this test again exactly the same with a traditional extinguisher and it worked much more effectively.
I’m happy you looked into it first. Look at my other video I did with H3R. I have one in my car now all the time. Well worth the money. I have a discount code in the description if u end up buying one.
I wonder if steadily pointing it at the base of the flame without waving it around would have worked better? In any case I think I'll pass on these and go with Halogen and Purple K in my car.
Just get an Amerex BC or Purple K, or halotron if you need a clean agent, and be done with it. What is your safety and property worth to taking chances?
When I worked for one of the seven largest oil companies, I had to take fire-fighter training. I quickly discovered how HARD fire is to extinguish. The typical "home-owner" 4-8 pound dry chemical is WORTHLESS! I now carry a 30 pound dry-chemical 30ABC rated in both my car and truck, and another one's in my kitchen. If you stand 4 feet from a fire, it will extinguish 30 square feet of "fire" (an 8 foot square), MAYBE. If it's cloth/trash/paper/wood, you REALLY need the cooling effect of water. A "portable" extinguisher is REALLY only useful in the first minute or two of a fire, when it's SMALL and contained. When your 30 pounder is empty, RUN and be sure you've called the fire department!!! Your and your families' life depends on it! Any FD is GLAD to make a "dry run" if you've extinguished a fire. I watched the Tulsa Fire Dept. burn down a house for training. From a pint of cooking oil lit in a skillet, the entire 2200 sq. ft. two-story was "totally involved" in FOUR MINUTES, and collapsed in 5 minutes, WITHOUT furniture inside. No one COULD have survived.
I've said it in a few videos now, and though I'm late to this video, I'll say it again. Buy a UL or ULC listed extinguisher, for your home or vehicle a 3A:40B:C is safe to use on just about any fire you'd encounter in your home or vehicle, not safe to use around pool chemicals, its easy to use, doesn't require internal maintenance for 6years, and even past that point should work just fine (the internal maintenance is to examine for corrosion) There are lots of gimmicks on the market, if there were any good at actually extguishing fires, they would have been adopted by the fire protection industry, property tested and listed and would have a listing on them like the one I stated above. Go to your local hardware or big box store, hit up your local fire protection company and ask them for a 5lb ABC with a 3A:40B:C rating and rest well knowing you'll have a fighting chance against a fire. For your home you should have one on each level, an extinguisher in the kitchen isn't going to help you escape the upper level of your home if you're awake in the middle of the night by smoke detectors to find the stairs blocked by fire. Stay safe folks.
Thank you so so much!! Super informative! Exactly! I was planning to buy it just because of the shelf life and the size and weight. But, now I know "it simply doesn't work" . I find it very unfortunate that someone would buy this for a piece of mind, thinking God for bid! They get a fire on a high performance turbocharged or supercharged car and when they actually needed! It simply Fails!! My God that would be Devastating!
At last! Somebody has done a real test on these gimmick extinguishers. The promotional videos make them look super effective but in a real scenario (which you simulated quite well) these things are very ineffective. They can neither cool nor smother a real fire. We put mad money, time and effort into our vehicals then protect them with a cheap gimmick, it makes no sense. Get a proper powder extinguisher with a metal valve and a gauge.
Nothing will beat a traditional powder extinguisher when it comes to a standard fire. I mean there's tons of magnesium in modern car frames so it might not be able to stop that. but small fires like this, done in a sec.
Could you have been holding it too close? You're lighting it to get the reaction to expel the material. ...which means it's acting like a torch at the tip. I would imagine for wood/coal fires, you'd have to be careful and hold it at an ideal distance(?).
Excellent video thanks for sharing. Not trying too be funny but if my vehicle was to burn like that I wouldn’t try to save it. That’s why I don’t keep cigarette lighters or rubbing alcohol even hand sanitizer in the vehicle all fire hazards especially living in hot af sunny FL.
Such videos rip my heart apart and take the hope for a simple and effective fire extinguisher ;) Jokes aside, I noticed the vendor often shows small extinguished petrol fires, which raised some of my concerns. I have also seen a test where the stick appeared to fuel the fire by either providing heat or stirring the air around, but I am not sure. One of the issues of such a device is it doesn't remove the heat from the fire, so there is a high chance the fire will reignite when the stick is exhausted. I see some issues with your test. 1) They say the stick does not work on a wood fire, see the first test. 2) They recommend larger sticks for cars and motorhomes, perhaps 50-100. 3) What would have happened if you threw the stick into a barrel simulating engine bay fire? I don't know if I will purchase it, but I would get 100s stick, throw it under the bonnet and close it. Maybe this would be more effective, but I am still concerned about the heat that would still be present at the source. I wish the vendor provided more real-life tests. Obviously, it could hurt their business.
Thanks for the input. At the end of the video I did throw the stick into the barrel and it had no effect on the fire. As for the larger stick, it does not knock the fire down at all so adding more time would not yield any different result. Think you nailed it when you said it doesn’t remove the heat, a conventional extinguisher does not remove the heat but it at least chokes the flames out to allow it to start cooling.
The problem I see with this is that the high velocity exhaust from the extinguisher is creating a venturi effect and pulling clean air along with it, so it's putting the fire out right where you're aiming it but at the same time it's providing more oxygen to the areas around it. It will probably work for a small fire that just ignited, but it has no chance over a large fire unless the fire is contained to an enclosed area (so blazing fuel leaking out the bottom of the hood would already be a problem) AND there are no solid fuels on fire since it seems to do nothing against those. So it's better than nothing but compared to a real fire extinguisher it's useless.
You should just try wire carpet plastic oil gas things found in a vehicle. Every fire extinguisher basically is only good for one type of fire. If a fire get's that big Just let the car burn save your own ass and run!!!
What did you use for fuel in this "camp fire"? Obviously there are some kind of wood pellets that would never be in a normal camp fire. Can you at least give us the brand of pellets you dumped on the fire and whatever else you have in there?
My car caught fire in the engine bay yesterday, I had one of these mounted in the car, I also had a second one that I always carry in my rucksack so that it’s always with me regardless of what car I’m in. I put both sticks into the fire one at a time and they did absolutely nothing. I believed the advertising and lost £160 plus my car, which may have been saved had I bought a regular fire extinguisher.
Wow so sorry to hear that. I hope everyone is ok! That’s really not cool I hope insurance will cover the loss. It’s really disgusting that Element sells a product that is completely ineffective and furthermore that it is some that is used only in a very serious situation.
@@theperformancereviewchannel Fortunately I was the only one in the car, Lotus 7 type kit car, and got out in time. Car was totally burnt out, no bodywork left at all, just the steel skeleton. Insurance claim has been submitted so we’ll see how that goes. 🤞
You don’t put out a fire by applying co2 to the top of the flames. You apply it as close to the base as possible. In this case you should have aimed the co2 stream at the base of the flames, not at the top of the flames.
@@imnota You do from below or you pop the hood just enough to put the extinguisher in and allow it to spray onto the flame. But my point was his comparison is stupid because you don’t put out the fire from above like he’s doing., That’s regardless of if you’re using a traditional abc extinguisher or an Element extinguisher.
@@ras6488 A traditional ABC extinguisher is a chemical powder one and that works even if you only have access to the top of the flames, because the powder will settle and fall anyways.
I don’t think I would trust those sticks to blow out a match let alone put out a car fire. What I would do is put those as a stocking stuffer for someone I didn’t like.
Never trust a review that doesn't directly compare extinguishers. would love to see how other water and powder based ones work in encosed bays (where extinguisher has to go through gaps that maybe enclosed. This was a demo of it on a 'camp fire' - hardly a true review... would like to see it on an old bombed out car instead (which there are some on youtube)
These things are worse than useless, they give people a false sense of security, it’s clear from this video and others on UA-cam that they are ineffective, borderline dangerous I would say.
What a dangerous product! This needs to be reported to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. The company is actually marketing it to fight car fires. It's obvious that tiny thing couldn't smother a Bic lighter much less an engine bay at full boil.
Fortunately the US Military and dozens of other Police and Special Forces groups think otherwise after carrying out their own testing. Element has been essential gear for them for over a decade and credited for the saving of countless lives. The fires in this video are primarily live coal fires that are specifically mentioned as being not rated for this product. Lots of great success stories out there where Element saved someone's car or home.
I mean had he read the directions and used it properly before intentionally misrepresenting how effective your product actually is..... He's playing with literal fire here, and defamation shouldnt be taken lightly, especially like this type. It is completely disingenuous and it's misinformation and with social media it has the potential to spread like wildfire, which puts peoples lives in jeopardy unnecessarily and is super distructive.
@@ElementFire Literally half the video is a gasoline fire, plus yall honestly don't even have the balls to make an actual comment, you only reply to other comments instead of taking action.
Anybody notice his fires are built on top of dead dry leaves within feet of trees? His tests are good demonstrations though. Not going to buy an element fire extinguisher now.
Don't think you understand the purpose of these fire extinguishers. It's to catch car fires quickly. It is small and convenient and no maintenance. It is not a conventional fire extinguisher so don't treat it like one. Know what your purchasing. This works wonderful if you catch the fire quickly on your vehicle. Toyota tacoma had an electrical fire and it worked great.
Not a controlled test. Too many test fails for me to draw conclusions. The gasoline test had you waving the Element above the base of the fire. I am not convinced that the Element is good, but also not convinced that it is a total failure. I have seen other videos that show it working well.
This is why we need to bring back youtube dislike function... dudes tryna use a tool that puts out engine fires on a log fire..... The tool is meant to choke out flames to prevent oils from combusting not to prevent ignitions....
That couldn't put out the hair fire on someones ass after lighting a beer fart! More people will be severely burned with these because they thought they had a fire extinguisher and could save their car so they popped the hood and got a face full of flames. Sad indeed!
Its too bad this product does not work!!! I purchased one of these to protect my residence from small kitchen fires. I guess I will keep my traditional fire extinguisher to be sure. Damn.
I agree, they look useless. And for kitchen fires which are most likely grease fires, a few cents worth of baking soda works wonders. I used baking soda once on a grease fire and it went out instantly...INSTANTLY! Just be sure you don't accidently grab flour though, that wouldn't be good.
The test would have been more relevant had you also included a 5 lb extinguisher for comparison. I submit that it's easy to configure a test for failure, which is what you did. The campfire test is not particularly relevant since (as many people pointed out) the instructions specifically state that the E50 is NOT the best choice for a burning ember fire. I doubt that a pressurised dry chemical extinguisher would have failed in the same way, with the added problem of spewing burning embers. The burning barrel test was simply ridiculous. Sure, all those things in the barrel are in the engine bay, but they're not in a bundle, and they also have access points. You simply put a bunch of stuff in a fat chimney with limited access, and you wonder why it didn't work. Notably, you didn't compare against a 5 lb fire extinguisher, I suspect because you knew that it would also be inadequate.
You are correct, I just did another test with a conventional extinguisher and just posted it. There is also a side by side comparing both. Check that out really shows the flaws of the Element.
Good Lord! I don't know what's worse, the fact that the fire isn't going out, or the fact that you had to get in so close to use it. Very helpful. Compare that with this demo of the Firexo (albeit larger model): ua-cam.com/users/shorts1MHjaXmEkvg Fire goes out in a few seconds.
The only thing I don’t like about that video is there is no solid fuel source. Meaning once the flame is extinguished the fire goes out, Element has a similar video on their page. When you use this on a fire where the fuel is something solid and not gas. For example rubber hosing or plastics. The heat isn’t being removed so it reignites.
Next you'll use water on a grease/ electrical fire and claim water doesn't work for putting out fires LOL why would you test it on the one thing the manufacturer says it's not meant for?
You're not using that correctly. First, unless you drive a barrel, that's not an engine bay. Second, unless you just want to mix smoke with smoke, it's totally ineffective to direct smoke into a smoke stream and have it vented away. You need to spray it at the base of the fire. Which is true with all extinguishers, not just this thing. People using extinguishers always want to spray the chemical at the flames. You need to spray the material that's burning itself. This is especially true with CO2 extinguishers for BC fires. Take a look at this video for a better how-to: ua-cam.com/video/OGRVGUZ8jj0/v-deo.html
From the Element web-site: FIGHTS ALL MAJOR FIRE CLASSES*
INCLUDING COOKING OIL & GREASE FIRES
*Not recommended for outdoor live coal fires (ie. wood campfires or logs)
What is the downside to having ABC if you only need one of them like what you mention?
Or is that a specific criticism of the Element and maybe it's mechanism of working?
I assume, but I could be wrong, that an ABC extinguisher is a compromise and you’d be better off with one that is designed to fight just the kind of fire you have. My comment though was addressing the complaints here about it not working well on this brush fire, despite the product specifying that it doesn’t work well on brush fires, I mean they told you it wasn’t for that yet that’s what you tested it in. Strange.
I had a 10' tall blazing fire in my engine compartment of my 89 Ford F250. Hood was up, one spark plug removed, and turned the engine over and that cylinder blew fuel out of the spark plug hole and exploded when the plug arced against something. It was a f'ing blazing fire, 10' tall in the left side of the engine compartment. It was rolling off the hood toward the front & flames were BLOWING between the hood and the windshield. (blowing 4-5 feet high between there.) I grabbed the element I had, ignited it and pointed it at the base of the flames through the front wheel well, just above the tire, around where the headers are and it put the flames out within 3-5 seconds. I shit you not. Swear to God Almighty. That element saved my truck, no doubt in my mind. Probably the type of fire it is made for. I have them in every car and in my kitchen. Real world evidence. Believe what you want.
This moron didn’t read the directions. He is WAY to close and this is not meant for ember fires.
The problem with Element is that it doesn't cool the burning pieces, as water does. So, even if you suppress the flames, if the base is still hot enough, it will re-ignite. If the fire doesn't have a base of something that retains embers, such as wood, the Element will work as designed.
yeah I'd use F500EA or something like that... that not only has the benefit of water but also suppresses the heat quickly.
Excellent point. Note this caution on their web site: "*Not recommended for outdoor live coal fires (ie. wood campfires or logs)". Despite this, it looked as all his 'tests'' used some wood. I saw this same thing on failed reviews by several other people.
That is why you should use powder.
Element literally has a notice on their website that live ember fires are best extinguished with water. This holds true even when you have a dry chemical extinguisher available. Water removes two sides of the fire triangle from a live ember fire. Oh, and you're also holding it much too close to the fire and keep pulling it away/downwind of the fire, allowing it to start back up again.
Water removes one side:
Heat. Of course if you drench it, it removes oxygen too but normally only cooling effect.
Powder primarily removes the air (covering the fuel) but also interrupts the chemical reaction of the fire, so two for one so to say. This is why they are so extremely effective.
Additionally, the blast of compressed air from the DC extinguisher would likely have blown burning embers all over the place making things worse.
@@Xanthopteryx water cools the fire which yes, removes heat but also lessens the chance of the fire returning. dry chemical breaks apart the fire elements and allows the source to cool, IF it is out long enough. there is a reason this guy could not put out a fire, he was trying to shove the extinguisher into the fire, PASS would apply dry chemical whereas this typ, maybe more like PSAS Pull caps, Strike starter, Aim, Sweep. Do not forgot the sweep action.
@@ericfleming2326 Yes, as i said. Removes heat. A fire can only appear if you have: Oxygen, Heat, Combustible material.
Remove heat and it can not function as a fire.
Not impressed. Only thing I’d like to see is how a traditional fire extinguisher performed on the same fire.
I had some dry chemical extinguishers that were old and slightly under pressure so I took them on a camping trip to show my wife how to put out a fire with a fire extinguisher. She used one on a good sized wood fire and it was like flipping a light switch. The fire went out instantly. I was going to buy some of these Element fire sticks but I've seen far too many videos like this one, they don't appear to be very effective to say the least.
New video of that coming up soon.
@@AZ_Raven well they arent intended to put out a camp fire is the thing, alot more for an engine bay fire where wind cant effect it.
@javanbybee4822 Well, they are far from impressive on the engine fires that I've seen as well. I saw a video of someone using it on a grease fire in a small pan on a stove, and while it did put it out, it was also far from impressive. I used about 15 cents worth of baking soda one time to put out a similar grease fire and it went out IMMEDIATELY. If these extinguishers are only good for certain fires, under certain conditions, they aren't worth the money. They are a false sense of security IMO.
And who says there won't be wind in an engine bay fire?
@@theperformancereviewchanneldo em side by side
Wrong performance review test. Read the instruction first and then use the fire extinguisher as per its design. The manufacturer clearly states that it's not intended for embers or burning ashes. It's a flame inhibitor.
The manufacturer claimed that it can put out oil grease fire and there is a youtube video clearly showing that it failed at that.
Shilling is not a good look for you.
If it's a flame inhibitor why do they market it as a fire extinguisher on every site I've ever seen?
It says it's rated for every type of fire but they don't list what size of fires they'll actually be able to handle, most extinguishers tell you how much material on fire they can extinguish, you don't want to attempt to put out a fire if your extinguisher doesn't have the capacity to actually tackle the fire
If it is a fire that has just started burning, this device works. For fires that have been burning for several minutes, only water can put it out.
*casually destroys a 2J valve cover thinking it's from a celica* lol
Not a valve cover, it's just a dress up piece, they're a dime a dozen for those 2JZ ones
@@jacobwebb8818 could have been $100 in his pocket (I needed that exact one 🥲)
This is a nightmare. Imagine buying it for your mom or wife thinking it’s an ok substitute and they have to learn first hand how useless they are
It put the fire out? A normal extinguisher would have lasted 10 second... this seems to have lasted over a minute... so you'd need TWO of these for this kind of fire and it would put it out easily... , and two or three 'normal' fire extinguishers.
Should demo them side by side to see what i mean. Then also would like to see the mess also... most extinguishers leave a mess also which sucks for small fires.
@@chrisdawes7270 but these sticks don’t work
@@chrisdawes7270 not all extinguishers are the same, its incredibly important to buy a fire extinguishers that are rated for its purpose in this scenario it would be a powder type extinguisher since it would be more effective and quicker rather than using multiple sticks for a longer amount of time
Granted, element specifically says it shouldn’t be used on coal fires(wood campfires, logs, etc). Besides that it’s certified for all NATO Armed Forces to use, included the US Military, EU, Aussie, NZ, &many more. Just not the US since it’s not a pressurized canister with a hose&meter since the testing body, Underwriters Laboratories won’t even consider testing it. Elements working on getting that changed since the US military does have&use them.
@@QHalvorson they still suck tho lol
These Element fire sticks are pretty useless. I had a break fire on my car. I was at a car meet and had several sticks in my glove box. Tried two of them together and it had no effect. It was one of the other car owners who put the fire out with a conventional extinguisher. I carry two conventional extinguishers now. One for me and one in case I meet someone else with a fire who only has firesticks! 😂.
Whilst it's more expensive and requires upkeep even a 2.5lb/1kg ABC Powder would have put all those fires out in seconds. The fire stick concept is not new and was first marketed several decades ago (& still is I believe) by a road flare manufacturer as the Chimfex - specifically for Chimney Fires, where it does work - they never claimed it as a more universal product & still don't. Here in the UK/Europe we've gone for new extinguishing agents in traditional extinguishers with far more sucess.
2 kg powder is VERY cheap and all you have to do is check the pressure monitor to see that it is good and to turn it around a few times once a year. That's it. Will last at least ten years. 1 kg is a bit too small and above 2 kg is a bit clumsy having in the car.
A 2lb powder extinguisher would not have put that barrel fire out.
@@bobstanton6444 It could considering the size of test fire it can put out, especially contained like that - I wish I had the facilities as I would try it out to check!
I would have liked seeing you do the same test with an ABC fire extinguisher for a true comparison. At my employer, we are required to have fire extinguisher training yearly. If not properly used, a regular fire extinguisher is pretty ineffective and only sprays for no about 10 seconds. It's main purpose is to knock back a fire to allow you to escape to safety.
I did the same test with a proper extinguisher in another video. The result is much different. Check the channel if you want to see that test.
that spark plug cover was from a Toyota 2JZ engine (Supra and Aristo), not a Celica
Darn, that's probably a sought-after engine cover being from out of country
Thanks so much for reviewing this. It just made more fire in the first test.
I just did similar testing with Element 50 and had same results - great video thank you
That's terrifying. Thanks for doing a video on this! 👍
Its a bad review. the guy just didnt read the instructions.... Dudes shilling false info
I used a powder fire extinguisher to save my car once and if I have to again, Im still going to rely on a regular fire extinguisher
The best fire extinguisher for fighting fires on ordinary solid matrials such as wood, paper, cloth, rubbish, bedding , upholstery, clothing etc. Is the 2.5 gallon pressurized water fire extinguisher. Its not good for grease, oil, flammable liquids, or electrical equipment. But for ordinary class A combustibles it can't be beat . I keep 2 of them at home, 1 upstairs and 1 downstairs. And when I was living in an apartment I kept on there too... just in case.
This was an expensive test 😅thanks for doing it !
I was thinking the same thing! I almost bought this stick, but after he spent a couple hundred bucks demonstrating how ineffective it is, glad I didn’t. Thank you, OP, for putting this out there. I’ll stick with old school tank extinguishers.
And that engine cover was off a mk4 supra worth 200+ lol
Also for the barrel fire, you're aiming it at the flames, not at the base. I'm not surprised it didn't work.
You are correct, I could not get to base of the fire as I would have burned my hands. I did this test again exactly the same with a traditional extinguisher and it worked much more effectively.
Thanks for doing this video. I almost ordered some of these for exactly the scenarios you ran.
I’m happy you looked into it first. Look at my other video I did with H3R. I have one in my car now all the time. Well worth the money. I have a discount code in the description if u end up buying one.
I wonder if steadily pointing it at the base of the flame without waving it around would have worked better? In any case I think I'll pass on these and go with Halogen and Purple K in my car.
It says on the stick tht ots not for that kind of fire
Thanks for making this video and sharing it. You just saved me some $$$.
Do you think you need to stand further back from it?
This is the second video I saw with this thing and I'll never buy one. Thanks for testing it.
Who woulda thunk that attempting to put out an actual fire with a glorified road flare / smoke grenade would fail so miserably...? 🤔
Just get an Amerex BC or Purple K, or halotron if you need a clean agent, and be done with it. What is your safety and property worth to taking chances?
Everything I’ve seen on this product you do not want to count on this to put out a fire when it matters.
Seriously learn how to use a fire extinguisher before pretending to review them.
How did this get approved to go on the market 😢
No UL testing
When I worked for one of the seven largest oil companies, I had to take fire-fighter training. I quickly discovered how HARD fire is to extinguish. The typical "home-owner" 4-8 pound dry chemical is WORTHLESS! I now carry a 30 pound dry-chemical 30ABC rated in both my car and truck, and another one's in my kitchen. If you stand 4 feet from a fire, it will extinguish 30 square feet of "fire" (an 8 foot square), MAYBE. If it's cloth/trash/paper/wood, you REALLY need the cooling effect of water. A "portable" extinguisher is REALLY only useful in the first minute or two of a fire, when it's SMALL and contained. When your 30 pounder is empty, RUN and be sure you've called the fire department!!! Your and your families' life depends on it! Any FD is GLAD to make a "dry run" if you've extinguished a fire. I watched the Tulsa Fire Dept. burn down a house for training. From a pint of cooking oil lit in a skillet, the entire 2200 sq. ft. two-story was "totally involved" in FOUR MINUTES, and collapsed in 5 minutes, WITHOUT furniture inside. No one COULD have survived.
Yeah dude those things are a joke.
Get a 2.5 or a 5 pound dry chem or halon and check it every couple years and you’re good to go!
Are you going to carry a 5 lb bottle on a motorcycle?
I've said it in a few videos now, and though I'm late to this video, I'll say it again.
Buy a UL or ULC listed extinguisher, for your home or vehicle a 3A:40B:C is safe to use on just about any fire you'd encounter in your home or vehicle, not safe to use around pool chemicals, its easy to use, doesn't require internal maintenance for 6years, and even past that point should work just fine (the internal maintenance is to examine for corrosion)
There are lots of gimmicks on the market, if there were any good at actually extguishing fires, they would have been adopted by the fire protection industry, property tested and listed and would have a listing on them like the one I stated above.
Go to your local hardware or big box store, hit up your local fire protection company and ask them for a 5lb ABC with a 3A:40B:C rating and rest well knowing you'll have a fighting chance against a fire.
For your home you should have one on each level, an extinguisher in the kitchen isn't going to help you escape the upper level of your home if you're awake in the middle of the night by smoke detectors to find the stairs blocked by fire.
Stay safe folks.
Thank you so so much!! Super informative! Exactly! I was planning to buy it just because of the shelf life and the size and weight. But, now I know "it simply doesn't work" . I find it very unfortunate that someone would buy this for a piece of mind, thinking God for bid! They get a fire on a high performance turbocharged or supercharged car and when they actually needed! It simply Fails!! My God that would be Devastating!
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
At last! Somebody has done a real test on these gimmick extinguishers. The promotional videos make them look super effective but in a real scenario (which you simulated quite well) these things are very ineffective. They can neither cool nor smother a real fire. We put mad money, time and effort into our vehicals then protect them with a cheap gimmick, it makes no sense. Get a proper powder extinguisher with a metal valve and a gauge.
I'm going to get a couple of those to help get my camp fires going!
Ever read the instructions on how to use an extinguisher? You always start from the bottom, up.
For $10, I'd buy one to pair with my extinguisher. For $110, I'll save money and get a 2nd extinguisher instead.
The last one actually was the most accurate and properly used. 😅
Did you ever bother reading their website that specifically states it does not work well for coal or wood fires?
What does it say about gasoline fires? 😂
Did you watch the whole video?
Nothing will beat a traditional powder extinguisher when it comes to a standard fire.
I mean there's tons of magnesium in modern car frames so it might not be able to stop that. but small fires like this, done in a sec.
Could you have been holding it too close? You're lighting it to get the reaction to expel the material. ...which means it's acting like a torch at the tip. I would imagine for wood/coal fires, you'd have to be careful and hold it at an ideal distance(?).
Fire blanket would that work in a engine bay
Excellent video thanks for sharing. Not trying too be funny but if my vehicle was to burn like that I wouldn’t try to save it. That’s why I don’t keep cigarette lighters or rubbing alcohol even hand sanitizer in the vehicle all fire hazards especially living in hot af sunny FL.
Its not easy putting out liquid gas....its also dangerous to fight a fire if you have to stand that close to it also
Thank you so much for making this video! Def going in a different direction.
Such videos rip my heart apart and take the hope for a simple and effective fire extinguisher ;) Jokes aside, I noticed the vendor often shows small extinguished petrol fires, which raised some of my concerns. I have also seen a test where the stick appeared to fuel the fire by either providing heat or stirring the air around, but I am not sure. One of the issues of such a device is it doesn't remove the heat from the fire, so there is a high chance the fire will reignite when the stick is exhausted. I see some issues with your test.
1) They say the stick does not work on a wood fire, see the first test.
2) They recommend larger sticks for cars and motorhomes, perhaps 50-100.
3) What would have happened if you threw the stick into a barrel simulating engine bay fire? I don't know if I will purchase it, but I would get 100s stick, throw it under the bonnet and close it. Maybe this would be more effective, but I am still concerned about the heat that would still be present at the source. I wish the vendor provided more real-life tests. Obviously, it could hurt their business.
Thanks for the input. At the end of the video I did throw the stick into the barrel and it had no effect on the fire. As for the larger stick, it does not knock the fire down at all so adding more time would not yield any different result. Think you nailed it when you said it doesn’t remove the heat, a conventional extinguisher does not remove the heat but it at least chokes the flames out to allow it to start cooling.
The problem I see with this is that the high velocity exhaust from the extinguisher is creating a venturi effect and pulling clean air along with it, so it's putting the fire out right where you're aiming it but at the same time it's providing more oxygen to the areas around it. It will probably work for a small fire that just ignited, but it has no chance over a large fire unless the fire is contained to an enclosed area (so blazing fuel leaking out the bottom of the hood would already be a problem) AND there are no solid fuels on fire since it seems to do nothing against those.
So it's better than nothing but compared to a real fire extinguisher it's useless.
Looks like it's better at lighting fighters than extingushing.
You should just try wire carpet plastic oil gas things found in a vehicle. Every fire extinguisher basically is only good for one type of fire. If a fire get's that big Just let the car burn save your own ass and run!!!
What did you use for fuel in this "camp fire"? Obviously there are some kind of wood pellets that would never be in a normal camp fire. Can you at least give us the brand of pellets you dumped on the fire and whatever else you have in there?
2 kg proper classic powder is perfectly in the car. VERY effective if you know how to use it.
how about the fire bombs that you throw in?
My car caught fire in the engine bay yesterday, I had one of these mounted in the car, I also had a second one that I always carry in my rucksack so that it’s always with me regardless of what car I’m in. I put both sticks into the fire one at a time and they did absolutely nothing. I believed the advertising and lost £160 plus my car, which may have been saved had I bought a regular fire extinguisher.
Wow so sorry to hear that. I hope everyone is ok! That’s really not cool I hope insurance will cover the loss. It’s really disgusting that Element sells a product that is completely ineffective and furthermore that it is some that is used only in a very serious situation.
@@theperformancereviewchannel Fortunately I was the only one in the car, Lotus 7 type kit car, and got out in time. Car was totally burnt out, no bodywork left at all, just the steel skeleton. Insurance claim has been submitted so we’ll see how that goes. 🤞
Hope everything works out. Was this on the road or a track?@@13Pandam
@@theperformancereviewchannel Thanks. It was on the road. I was in traffic doing about twenty five miles an hour.
Awesome how you stood there breating in that burning plastic, too!
The wind is blowing away from him bozo
You don’t put out a fire by applying co2 to the top of the flames. You apply it as close to the base as possible. In this case you should have aimed the co2 stream at the base of the flames, not at the top of the flames.
You don't have access to the base of the flames in a car fire.
@@imnota You do from below or you pop the hood just enough to put the extinguisher in and allow it to spray onto the flame. But my point was his comparison is stupid because you don’t put out the fire from above like he’s doing., That’s regardless of if you’re using a traditional abc extinguisher or an Element extinguisher.
FWIW, this is standard training for anyone who is taught to put out fires.. Learned it in the USN.
@@ras6488 A traditional ABC extinguisher is a chemical powder one and that works even if you only have access to the top of the flames, because the powder will settle and fall anyways.
@@imnota Not very effectively. There’s a reason for the Acronym PASS.
Ok. . . so that leaves a small fire extinguisher or a fire blanket for my motorcycle.
I don’t think I would trust those sticks to blow out a match let alone put out a car fire. What I would do is put those as a stocking stuffer for someone I didn’t like.
Do you have a video showing a regular fire extinguisher?
I will soon
I will say one advantage is it's probably safer for your lungs. When my car caught on fire I inhaled a shit ton of that fire extinguisher powder
Okay now throw it inside the barrel to the base of the fire, can you do that?
Watch the entire video.
Never trust a review that doesn't directly compare extinguishers. would love to see how other water and powder based ones work in encosed bays (where extinguisher has to go through gaps that maybe enclosed.
This was a demo of it on a 'camp fire' - hardly a true review... would like to see it on an old bombed out car instead (which there are some on youtube)
WOW! Thank you for sharing! I guess we are better with a traditional fire extinguisher.
basis to fight fire : first attack the fire at its base. This is not a moskitos killa's spray.
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
Bro you just burned a engine cover off a mk4 supra. Definitely not a celica😅 worth $200+
Lol finally someone noticed.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, I fully trust Amerex
Wow, they want over a hundred bucks a piece for these. What an absolute waste of money. I hope nobody ever needs one of these for an actual emergency.
I’d worry about windy days and standing close.
Thank you for saving me time money and disappointment
Thanks for doing this. I was considering a purchase.
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
Bro this is making the fires worse. Lmfao.
These things are worse than useless, they give people a false sense of security, it’s clear from this video and others on UA-cam that they are ineffective, borderline dangerous I would say.
What a dangerous product! This needs to be reported to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. The company is actually marketing it to fight car fires. It's obvious that tiny thing couldn't smother a Bic lighter much less an engine bay at full boil.
Fortunately the US Military and dozens of other Police and Special Forces groups think otherwise after carrying out their own testing. Element has been essential gear for them for over a decade and credited for the saving of countless lives. The fires in this video are primarily live coal fires that are specifically mentioned as being not rated for this product. Lots of great success stories out there where Element saved someone's car or home.
I mean had he read the directions and used it properly before intentionally misrepresenting how effective your product actually is.....
He's playing with literal fire here, and defamation shouldnt be taken lightly, especially like this type. It is completely disingenuous and it's misinformation and with social media it has the potential to spread like wildfire, which puts peoples lives in jeopardy unnecessarily and is super distructive.
@@ElementFire Literally half the video is a gasoline fire, plus yall honestly don't even have the balls to make an actual comment, you only reply to other comments instead of taking action.
@@ElementFirehow were those coal fires?
Anybody notice his fires are built on top of dead dry leaves within feet of trees?
His tests are good demonstrations though. Not going to buy an element fire extinguisher now.
It was fanning the firs😅
Don't think you understand the purpose of these fire extinguishers. It's to catch car fires quickly. It is small and convenient and no maintenance. It is not a conventional fire extinguisher so don't treat it like one. Know what your purchasing. This works wonderful if you catch the fire quickly on your vehicle. Toyota tacoma had an electrical fire and it worked great.
Not a controlled test. Too many test fails for me to draw conclusions. The gasoline test had you waving the Element above the base of the fire. I am not convinced that the Element is good, but also not convinced that it is a total failure. I have seen other videos that show it working well.
Its not for coal fire
Correct!
This is why we need to bring back youtube dislike function... dudes tryna use a tool that puts out engine fires on a log fire..... The tool is meant to choke out flames to prevent oils from combusting not to prevent ignitions....
it's not for woodfires
Gallon jug of water would have worked way better lol. How can they sell these as fire extinguishers?
Did this company ever test these? I've never seen them put out a fire haha
Funny u say that, if you watch the videos on their website all of them are either small fires or the video cuts before they put it out.
Good info.
Way to burn a bunch of toxic sludge. Neat
Just get a class B fire extinguisher.
That couldn't put out the hair fire on someones ass after lighting a beer fart! More people will be severely burned with these because they thought they had a fire extinguisher and could save their car so they popped the hood and got a face full of flames. Sad indeed!
Its too bad this product does not work!!! I purchased one of these to protect my residence from small kitchen fires. I guess I will keep my traditional fire extinguisher to be sure. Damn.
I agree, they look useless. And for kitchen fires which are most likely grease fires, a few cents worth of baking soda works wonders. I used baking soda once on a grease fire and it went out instantly...INSTANTLY! Just be sure you don't accidently grab flour though, that wouldn't be good.
It just making the fire bigger
Maybe a road flare would work better….
That engine cover came from either a supra or a Lexus ES300/SC300 from the 90's
Ya a Celica swapped with a 2j haha
No es300 or sc300 came with 2j turbo. Off a supra or aristo
The test would have been more relevant had you also included a 5 lb extinguisher for comparison. I submit that it's easy to configure a test for failure, which is what you did. The campfire test is not particularly relevant since (as many people pointed out) the instructions specifically state that the E50 is NOT the best choice for a burning ember fire. I doubt that a pressurised dry chemical extinguisher would have failed in the same way, with the added problem of spewing burning embers.
The burning barrel test was simply ridiculous. Sure, all those things in the barrel are in the engine bay, but they're not in a bundle, and they also have access points. You simply put a bunch of stuff in a fat chimney with limited access, and you wonder why it didn't work. Notably, you didn't compare against a 5 lb fire extinguisher, I suspect because you knew that it would also be inadequate.
You are correct, I just did another test with a conventional extinguisher and just posted it. There is also a side by side comparing both. Check that out really shows the flaws of the Element.
Literally a nightmare im so glad i watched these videos 10/10 would never purchase
eeerrr what does that do again?? 100bucks stuff
I can see you didn’t read the label🤨🤣
I can see you didn’t watch the end of the video.
Why would I or anyone when they see it’s being done wrong🤨 how bout adding a disclaimer, “I didn’t do this correctly”🤷🏾♂️🤣
Thanks for your review, this helps big time.
Good Lord! I don't know what's worse, the fact that the fire isn't going out, or the fact that you had to get in so close to use it. Very helpful.
Compare that with this demo of the Firexo (albeit larger model):
ua-cam.com/users/shorts1MHjaXmEkvg
Fire goes out in a few seconds.
The only thing I don’t like about that video is there is no solid fuel source. Meaning once the flame is extinguished the fire goes out, Element has a similar video on their page. When you use this on a fire where the fuel is something solid and not gas. For example rubber hosing or plastics. The heat isn’t being removed so it reignites.
Next you'll use water on a grease/ electrical fire and claim water doesn't work for putting out fires LOL why would you test it on the one thing the manufacturer says it's not meant for?
You're not using that correctly. First, unless you drive a barrel, that's not an engine bay. Second, unless you just want to mix smoke with smoke, it's totally ineffective to direct smoke into a smoke stream and have it vented away. You need to spray it at the base of the fire. Which is true with all extinguishers, not just this thing. People using extinguishers always want to spray the chemical at the flames. You need to spray the material that's burning itself. This is especially true with CO2 extinguishers for BC fires.
Take a look at this video for a better how-to:
ua-cam.com/video/OGRVGUZ8jj0/v-deo.html
yeah I *WONT* be buying one of these, I don't even know how / if they got any certification with that performance.