Where the hell is rock going?
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- What is the current state of rock music? Is "guitar music" dying? What the hell does "guitar music" even mean?
I'm pondering this and more in this latest letter from a fan.
What did you think of this album? Love it? Hate it? Why? What should I review next, eh?
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Y'all know this is just my opinion, right?
I don't think Rock music is "dying" but five seconds of summer being labeled "rock" scares me.
+Tatum Sheppard What good bands are out, crafting songs with some sorta depth?
+Renz You gotta go underground like anthony says. And don't expect Beatles/Stones level depth, but there are some pretty good bands with some unique sounds. Personally, I enjoy Thee Oh Sees, which along with some other bands are kind of a garage-psychedelic sound coming from San Francisco, if I remember correctly.
Ciaran L Yea usually I end up randomly finding good music, but can't leave it to mainstream to bring me something new.
You should check out Fight The Fade or Starset, they have pretty good sounds.
Sad and scary. Probably just brain dead 12 year olds tho...hopefully they'll learn better someday.
I didn’t realise how old this video was until he started talking about EDM.
EDM is still massively popular/trendy though (though there was more of a surge of popularity around that time)
@@nickm.5931 nobody actually likes EDM, they just like doing drugs and having smelly raw sex at festivals. I’ve never heard a sober person with a job say “bro put on some dubstep”
@@themostdiabolicalhater5986 you have not listened to enough edm
@@jakmak94 any amount of EDM is actually more than enough for me, thanks
@@themostdiabolicalhater5986 lol what listen to flumes 2019 mixtape or porter Robinson worlds
''guitar music'' getting old is why the beatles didnt get signed at first
NOT ME! Hahaha that is true
@NOT ME! why you gotta roast him like that man lol
@@PleistocenePat To be honest the mainstream being filled with anything but rock for the past 15 years doesn't really say anything relevant about the current state of rock music. We still have bands like Iron Maiden, Gojira, Tool and others kicking ass out there.
@@PleistocenePat Yeah I think rock is gonna be just fine. I mean, jazz and classical music were mainstream at a point and while neither is mainstream anymore, they're still kicking
The beatles made bland generic pop songs. They were one direction for the boomers
my rock isnt dead, in fact, i have a bunch of them in my front yard.
Fool, i bet i have more rocks than you do
What about boulders? Hmmm? Got any boulders?
Have you checked the heartbeats of your rocks?
Yo William. Jasmine? Central square ?
The problem about rock is that rock fans tend to lionize dad rock (the who, Rolling Stones, led zep). Rock hasn't developed or moved forward because of this. Don't get me wrong, I love those bands, but I get a sense that in the rock community it tends to be more tasteful to stay away from modern rock. To sum up my point: there isn't a real demand for innovate new rock.
With rock*
If new bands came up with the old feels those songs gave, maybe we would listen to them.
Thats not true at all..Theres been 100s of bands that have moved foward since them..And as got very popular.But when was the last wave of edginess and rebellion in rock?? (Prolly numetal,almost 20 years ago) Thats the problem.
Also dont forget Pink Floyd. This band's name always finds its way into the comment section of videos of any new good rock song. I never said anything about how good or bad they are. I just don't see why they have to be shoved down our throats by their hardcore fans. They even make their way into the comment sections of Tool songs. They arent even similar in the least fucking bit.
Nightrider
You just proved his point.
Bob Dylan once said that chart music would become very similar and it would be harder to distinguish,he was correct
+Keith Fitzsimons Bob Dylan is a genius after all, not surprising he feels that way.
indeed
+Keith Fitzsimons the melodies are still recognizable, its the production that's gotten really similar. at the same time, pop from 2016 sounds different from pop of 2015 lolol
the formula has been "perfected" :/
Chart music has been similar and hard to distinguish as long as the charts have existed
there are more sub genres of rock compared to any other genre so i don't see it dying out
agreed.
theneedledrop By the way, Blamthony Bamtano, You should check out some Goa Trance sometime. It's quite...interesting.
It could have twice as many subgenres as it already does, that doesn't make it any more relevant or likable.
We're talking popularity.
What does "popular" do to fulfill you that "honest", "inspiring" and "moving" do not? It sounds as if some people believe that if everyone says it is, it is... Until it isn't and then the next trend is. Trends are fucking stupid. If anything should be dead it's the radio. Perpetual trash.
No matter what you listen to, if you think your favourite genre is dying just because it's going underground then you have the soul of a pop fan.
I agree. Whenever someone says "________ is dead", that just tells me they're not looking.
I find it silly to say that ANY genre of music is dead. Especially in the 21st century.
true
+Taimir Gore britpop
grunge
+Santiago Mellet Blur released a new album last year. And we still have all those old Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Nirvana, and Alice in Chains records to choose from. Plus both those genres could only really exist in the environment that birthed them. Since that environment faded out, we don't see any new britpop or grunge bands.
+Santiago Mellet
Think of it more as the retirement of the genres and not the death. There's nothing new, but you can still see them whenever you want.
+Santiago Mellet
Noel Gallagher of Oasis released a pretty good record the past year. I wouldn't justify a counter-argument for the decline of rock music with it but still worth a listen.
"Percussion is just so passé!"
rhythm is so over
I read it as he said it and I chuckled for 20 minutes. Thanks
What is it with comments that quote the video and appearing on my screen the second the video actually says it?
Prog-rock solved all of my "bored with rock" problems. It's the greatest (and most diverse) rock genre ever, because it can literally pull in elements from nearly everything else and still be integrated in compelling ways, as long as there is structure and melody. (And sometimes even without those features.)
Is Black Midi considered progressive rock
@@gero3015 yeah pretty much
@@gero3015 Brutal prog
Hiromi with Simon Phillips is one of my favorite modern hard rock/metal projects
It's crazy coming back to this video with hindsight knowing that bands like Black Country New Road and Black Midi were just 5 or 6 years away and now I feel like we're in a modern rock renaissance
Remember seeing in a This Heat comment section for "A New Kind of Water" from like 12 years ago where someone said "this is the future of music" that guy was so right, most of the Windmill scene owes a huge debt to post-punk bands like This Heat
Also at the time psych rock and garage punk bands like Osees were around so rock wasn't really that dead
"Percussion is so passé"
Lost my shit on that one
Rock lives at my house.
AMEN
I want to move in so bad.
Kevron81 rock also lives in my butt
Iain L
Nobody wants to live there, its a shitty place.
Same here "spinal tap" rule
Nowadays (7 years later) I think that the most important thing in rock is the psychedelic rock "scene" especially Australia, with the likes of Tame Impala, King Gizzard, the Murlocs, Psychedelic Porn Crumpets etc.
Australia also has a great garage synth-punk scene (normally called egg punk)
new tool album is coming out in 2025
bullshit are you serious
I want to believe
wow, that early?
but hey at least we have puscifer... ya' know puscifer? yeah... puscifer... yeah
2016*
Rock is going as strong as it's always been. If you're looking to the charts for decent rock music then you're looking in the wrong place.
Exactly. It's like you're thirsty, with near-unlimited choices, but you resign every day to drinking water from the tap. Every day. All radio shit is self-deprecating, submissive and often deals with dependency issues in failed relationships. It's like over the last 10 or so years rock and country switched places. Ugh.
***** If you're into the heavier side of rock and metal then bands like Dillinger escape plan, Enslaved and Converge are pushing boundaries and creating interesting and original music. Even bands that are more commercial like Deftones are still making beautiful sounds that you won't hear on TV or radio. All you have to do is dig a little deeper, there are so many great bands out there.
If you're willing to dig even deeper and darker you can find groups like Neurosis, Made Out of Babies and Young Widows. Dude, I untethered from the populist pier long ago and have been adrift in an ocean of art and music guided by ear appeal and intrigue alone.
It's liberating.
***** Who cares about the charts? Go and find your own music. Spotify is brilliant for discovering bands.
in the underground yes, but we don't have a breakout band with something fresh. some underground bands are good but rock isn't the big deal as it was back then
Anthony can you work Death Grips into any topic of discussion?
let's have a conversation about the newport pier and see.
I think rock music in general does better when it's in the underground.
+Mount Average Meh. Music scenes have a pretty consistent cycle:
1. A few local bands develop a particular sound
2. Scene slowly grows in popularity, you have a few early adopters and innovators
3. A small number of these bands achieve mainstream success
4. Mainstream success leads to copycats
5. Genre is milked dry and peoples' interest burns out.
Number 5 happens because a lot of music is not nearly as good without the scene. Punk for example, it's a mixture of attitude and music. I feel jazz and blues are different, because those scenes seem to respect musical talent the most, and there is a respect for raw talent, not just being ahead of the game.
+XBlueM0ndayX
Can't disagree with your explanation of the cycle.
But here's what I meant, explained within your cycle explanation:
Within the supergenre of rock music, I feel that most bands produce their most interesting, most creative, most enjoyable, and most authentic stuff, either while they are still in phases 1-2, or when they manage to leap phase 3 and continue to successfully exist within the underground scene. (To clarify - by "underground" I don't necessarily mean the kind of underground that existed until the 80s and maybe 90s, but rather a mere alternative to mainstream music.)
And this actually happens a lot, fortunately. Well, at least I know plenty of bands like that. Thank God we're not actually dependend on mainstream music. In fact, the quantity of mainstream acts is tiny compared to all the rest of music. There's so much to find out there. Tons of crap, but also a lot of gold.
Don't get me wrong, I'm anything but an immature anti-mainstream elitist. But I just rarely see any appeal to most mainstream music. Out of 100 mainstream acts, I will be able to genuinely (and without any "irony") enjoy maybe 10 of them, tops. And of those 10, probably 9 will be non-rock music. That's all I'm saying. It's very subjective of course.
Mount Average
I totally agree with you. I recently discovered Rage Against the Machine (having written them off when I first heard them), and I am now in love with their first album. And not that this is really connected to any particular phase, but now that they're older and richer I really don't want them to reform and produce new material. It's hard to be an angry kid when you're a rich old man. Not that they would necessarily be any less insightful, but there's just no way they could recapture that rawness of being young and pissed off at the world and thinking something can be done about it.
Musically, rock's probably as good as it's ever been. Probably a bit more regressive as people try to take it "back to its roots" than I'd like it to be. But rock has never been about being that musically talented ... I think it's much more about the lifestyle. If rock artists *truly* cared about musicality, they'd probably all be playing jazz. Thankfully however, many talented people care more about writing something that sounds good than something that is "objectively" good.
+XBlueM0ndayX
I wouldn't say that. There's a sepctrum of rock music that goes from "music for imbiciles" to "music for geniuses". I think rock music in the mainstream is very regressive for the most part. The most successful rock bands are those who are copying the style of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Now don't get me wrong, some of them are doing this exquisitely, and some of them appeal more to me than the original bands from those eras. But it's true that their music is anything but progressive. But here's the thing - aside from mainstream rock bands, there are now more progressive rock bands out there than ever before.
And while of course there is a musical link between rock and jazz (especially historically), I don't understand your idea that rock musicians would play jazz if they cared truly about musicality. In fact, it makes zero sense to me. Jazz and rock may be related, but they're two completely different styles in general. It is true that jazz music is *usually* more complex than rock music. In general. But there is highly complex rock music out there. So, if a rock musician truly cares about musicality, and they happen to have the talent, at least potentially, there's no need for them to change their style to jazz. Not only because they would have to ignore their own personal preference in musical taste, but also because they don't need to.
Saying rock music has never been about musical talent is...well, far from the truth. It's a type of music that CAN be done extremely easily and without much talent at all. But it can also go the exact opposite way.
An example of the other way around:
A lot of bonehead rock elitists believe that hip hop or any kind of electronic music is inherently untalented. That's complete nonsense of course. Yes, you can create an electronic dance track very easily without much effort or creativity. But that doesn't say anything about the style of music itself. There are electronic music artists out there (now more so than ever) who are CRAZILY talented, creative, and progressive. Same goes for hip hop.
My point is - there's always a spectrum of "zero talent and completely uninspired" to "highly progressive and creative". In pretty much every genre.
Same with hiphop
It's not so much that rock is dead, it's more so that rock is no longer at the top of charts now that hip hop is in the center of the majority's attention. I don't think that's a bad thing but rather, a change in the culture of music and rock music. A genre can't really die per say, the media still exists and people will always recycle and create new art with the same core tenants as their creative predecessors.
What about post-rock and post-metal??
These genres are creating new sounds and textures.
i think post-rock was, but it hasn't for the past several years, in my opinion. even the new Godspeed record, though great, wasn't anything entirely new for the band. i guess i limit "new" to the past few years, because that's for about as long as i've been hearing this "guitar music is dead" thing.
theneedledrop I disagree.
The following bands had their latest album move the band into new sonic territory: Cult of Luna, Intronaut, Cloudkicker, Mouth of the , Neurosis, Pelican, Russian Circles, Scale the Summit, 65 days of static are examples.
theneedledrop I am still waiting for you to look at Cloudkicker..He has about 10 albums out and is simply sensational. I await the day you review the albums Beacons and The Discovery. I will make popcorn just to view the video, Anthony.
DO IT!
Meta Self Scale the summit. Cloudkicker. Nice taste dude.
Sped Kid They're both great live.
Everytime someone says that Rock is dying, I automatically assume that they are ignorants. BRMC, Radio Moscow, Brian Jonestown Massacre, Graveyard, The Black Angels or QOTSA, The War On Drugs, Mac De Marco, Kurt Vile, UMO, Black Keys, Hanni El Khatib or Blues Pills are definitely "Guitar Music". Then you have some great rock bands that don't fall that much into guitar-only like Interpol, Editors, Foals, Arcade Fire, AM, Cage The Elephant, FF, Portugal. The Man, Muse, etc.
I only knew like 5 of those. lol
turtles That means absolutely nothing. Just because they're not known doesn't mean they're bad. The truth is that altough Rock is no longer mainstream, it is still quite good, if not better, or at least, at the same level. It just doesn't play on the radio anymore.
assassinodecereais So you did get the point. I'm glad.
So glad you mentionned BJM !
frareanvidal Those guys are killer dope, man. Mildly interesting fact: from all the bands I named, they are the only band I haven't seen live yet (because they didn't came to Portugal yet)
The problem isn't rock dying, it's the fans. They are a very judgmental group when it comes to rock or metal. Once a group becomes very popular they bash them, calling them sellouts. If the band doesn't sound like they came out of the 80's or 90's they would say they suck. They also spend a lot of time criticizing today's music and refer to past era's as the best time. Heck even fans of sub-genres of rock argue with each other over who is best.
it's true. the whole "sellout" thing does become poisonous to a degree. it seems like a band can't succeed without getting some shit for it sometimes. however, i think we're starting to move past that a bit. at least i genuinely want to see my favorite bands succeed.
True, I see so much judgmentalisim. I love the killers but it horrible to see some of the vitriol hate for them. I know they have some synth but what do you expect when the rock fans are so intolerant.
theneedledrop I desperately want my favourite bands to succeed, as long as they don't sacrifice what makes them them along the way.
Dedicated rock fans won't let rock die
Because it's not dying... wut??
Dedicated rocks fans are the reason why rock is dying
Polla Channel how?!
@Mark Lanzarotta the rock scene might not look the same as it did but it is very much still alive, even if just in the underground
@@pollachannel2804 nice pfp
So many rock fans look back with rose-tinted glasses on at a period of great innovation and creativity within rock and say "that was the only good time, we should go back to that." What they apparently don't realise is that what made that period great was the progression and originality, so just aping that music could never possibly be as good. Meanwhile, they shun all modern progression and creativity, which is ironic when you consider that people were doing exactly the same thing back in the 60s, and look how wrong they turned out to be.
There will never be enough upvotes in the world for this comment.
2 upvotes and going strong! haha
No genre ever dies, it just falls out of the limelight. That's all. Nothing just... goes away forever when it comes to music. Slapping your fucking hands on your god-damned knees is Neo-Caveman music for fuck's sake.
Lol true and everything is derivative of a caveman fart.
Audiostoke According to Mel Brooks everything started off with someone accidentally dropping a stone on someone else's foot.
disco's dead, mannnn
Neo-caveman is fucking over man. We're in to Paleowave now.
Detatipaced Disco? it's probably one of the most popular ones right now. It seems like every popular single that's come out lately has some sort of disco beat in it.
IF you think rock is dying and don't like it, start a band.
Greg Dawe i have no friends tho😔
Greg Dawe working on it
If any of you guys are from Denmark, just contact me
that is one of the most innocent comments i have ever seen on the internet, god bless you
Okay
You should come back to this video and see what the last 7 years have done for you.
Gene Simmons - "You're better off not even learning how to play guitar or write songs, and just singing in the shower and auditioning for The X Factor. And I'm not slamming The X Factor, or pop singers. But where's the next Bob Dylan? Where's the next Beatles? Where are the songwriters? Where are the creators? Many of them now have to work behind the scenes, to prop up pop acts and write their stuff for them."
+Luke Hon (gamecub3) I like both those guys a fair bit, but as far as innovation goes, idk if anything they do will really inspire a new direction for rock. Yeah sure they both combine some a variety of sounds to come up with some interesting material to listen to, Mac with like a weird mix of pop, and jangle, and archy with jazz, hip hop and jangle. But like, at the end of the day, smoke a joint or pop some mdma and you'll listen enjoy their albums for like a month, and after that, their stuff can get pretty boring. That's just my opinion thou
+Renz also gene simmons is a fucking knob
CinnamonBeat5 That too but he is right about this.
No he's not. Anyone who seriously believes that 'genuine' creativity is dead in modern music is kidding themselves far beyond the point of reason, and Gene Simmons defending artistic integrity is irony at its finest.
Jesus of Cool Most modern songs suck, not trying to sound old either...All genres seem to have this copy cat attitude.
innovation in rock? Three words:
Animals
As
Leaders.
No...
I never knew there were that many ways to make the same song until I heard AAL.
then you haven't heard there new album i assume, i used to think of them in the same way you do until i heard it, its much more mature than there first 2.
Spencer Holmes You should give their newest album a try if you thought Weightless was samey, they've got some really cool funk and latin influences in some of their recent songs
SyncopatedFin I did... I literally *just* said that.
I never get tired of fan letters. More of these types of videos please.
Rock music has gone underground. You have to look for indie bands. Check out, High Street Jack, Live on High Street.
The rock bands that are really killing it right now for me are Foo Fighters, Muse and Linkin Park especially with their latest album The Hunting Party, it's really one of the best rock albums I heard in a while ! Rock was pretty much "dead" right before the Beatles, and look how they took it to whole new level, so maybe history will repeat itself, we just have to keep supporting Rock by going to shows, buying music and even composing it. On the business side, I don't think any record label these days will allow for another Led Zeppelin or anything, they are probably looking for the next "Popstar" or something 'cause that's what makes money and what appeals to the current audience.
I sure hope things change and rock leading the music industry again !
Rock is underground nowadays, but it is alive.
Rock is NOT dead guys. They're are plenty of good contemporary rock bands in the underground if you know where to look. I feel like this is the best the underground has been since the 90's !! Because of this, I have a strong feeling another rock explosion is bound to happen soon. As one music fan to another please check out these albums:
1. Twins - Ty Segall (garage-rock)
2. I'm in Your Mind Fuzz - King Gizzard And The Wizard Lizard (psychedelic rock)
3. METZ - METZ (noise-rock)
4. Fuzz - Fuzz (heavy fuzz-rock)
5. Full of It - Summer Cannibals (garage-rock, riot girl)
6. Fetch - Melt-Banana (extreme noise-rock)
7. Golem - Wand (heavy fuzz-rock)
8. Another One - Mac Demarco (twangy indie-pop)
9. Man It Feels Like Space Again - Pond (space-rock, synthpop)
10.Ugly - Screaming Females (indie, alternative)
11. Cave - Psychic Psummer (space-rock and psummer is correct that's how they spell it on the album)
Please feel free to reply if you got any recommendations for me that you think I would like. I'm still lookin' too !!
Lighting bolt and deathgrips is all I need
Thank you for Fuzz!! Wow!
Borderline Michael try hazzerd
I know this comment is old but Bad//Dreems and West Thebarton are a couple of great Aussie bands
screaming females kicks ass
KING GIZZARD AND THE LIZZARD WIZARD
I, KNOW I SEE, AN ALTERED BEAST
Ky Orwenyo BY THE TREE
Same thought tbh. Best band out there!
@@williampriebe9518 ooohhhh!! Waa waa wa wa wa waa wa wa wa wa waaaaaaaa
TAKE A PEEK, IF YOU WOULD DARE
i think the problem is that fans of rock and to some extend metal have this idea of being true to their genre by just hyping the classics. yeah ac/dc may have been great at some point. yes, smells like teen spirit is a good song and sure led zeppelin and pink floyd were musical mastermindsl there is only so much room for innovation when more than half of your musical input is the same stuff over and over again.
another thing is the "handmade music" argument i often hear from rock and metal fans. just because four guys make music with "real" instruments doesnt mean, that it cant be even more soulless than some experimental synth stuff. limiting a genre by excluding innovation just for being "real" is what makes genres stale.
other musical genres normally dont shy away from taking elements from different genres, hell hip hop wouldnt even exist without it. and while there are open minded and talented people out there that are able innovate in rock music, i think the biggest problem for the genre really are the fans refusing new ideas and just holding on to the old ways for the sake of realness.
Well I agree 100%
Innovation has been greatly increased by several bands. I don't know which bands you're thinking of, but I could list quite a few bands that still keep it fresh. I have to disagree with you that quality of music has decreased because I still listen to so many bands that continue to evolve in new and exciting ways. But when people can't let go of the past. that's when we begin to get pale imitations of those that came before, and that's when quality decreases. But to say that songwriting as a whole has gone down the shitter seems like a huge overstatement
It's not just that fans are hyping the classics, it's that there ARE so many classics in the first place. Every new rock band today has to stack up against a very fixed canon. Even "alternative" rock has its own canon these days (Velvet Underground, Can, Joy Division, My Bloody Valentine etc.). Same thing happened with jazz which has been canonized to an greater extent. You can't play jazz today without being immediately compared to people Miles, Coltrane, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker and so on. That's what leads of young musicians to simply imitate old shit: they feel like they have to pay tribute to this "legacy" before coming up with their own ideas. The compounding issue is that the rock canon is bound to specific subcultures, most of which don't even exist in the same way anymore. For example, lots of rock musicians and critics still think in terms of the hippie/punk divide which hasn't been relevant in decades. What rock needs is people who either don't care about or are unaware of all of that baggage, only take what they need from the past and build their own thing on top of it. The 90s Japanese noise/psych rock scene would be an example or all of those West African guitarists incorporating rock influences into their playing.
dumchannl This is why I listen to the Algorithm. He is a perfect example of a person who takes what he needs from a genre and then builds upon it in very unique ways. His music is a big "fuck you" to musical boundaries. He just does whatever the hell he feels like doing and it pretty much always turns out awesome. It is very evident that he is not constrained by existing musical standards. I highly recommend listening to his music if you haven't heard it before.
karottenkoenig okay I can understand experimenting but dubstep takes it too far. It's not even fucking music it's just electronic sounds and there's no soul or feeling in it. It's pointless garbage
Rock is still very big in Japan in the mainstream. Many jpop artists play instruments.
MidnightEkaki i’m totally loving the japanese music community and i really love how it sounds so progressive and futuristic. kudos to them!
Unlike K-pop
@@vpaulocesar3030 k-poop 🤣👌👌👌👌👌
@@vpaulocesar3030 because it's literally called k POP, of course there's K-rock
I know where rock is. It's clearly in that fucking moustache.
I'm late to the game in watching this video, but here are some recommendations:
Typhoon - White Lighter
Ghost - Meliora
Radiohead - A Moon Shaped Pool
Yngwie Malmsteen - World on Fire
Rock music is like actual rocks, it's old and it's not going anywhere.
*anywhere new
Till someone tosses it into a pond.
good thing theres the internet
EDM fans are like mccauley culkin in "party "monster", they're flamboyant, all on drugs, and think they're gonna stay around forever. It's the new disco, and we all know where that went
lol wow, there's plenty of new rock coming out now, like experimental indie rock (alt-j), so you can't possibly say that it's not going anywhere
Rock music is a state of mind - really, all genres are. As long as the emotions and sentiments linked to it exist, it will continue to exist and thrive. You can say that about any genre that has some sort of social meaning. Rap won't die because it is about mindfulness, and channelling anger (the good stuff anyway); blues won't die because it is soul-searching, and trying to understand your situation; pop won't die, because it's about having a unifying voice that's relatable and powerful (also making money lol); similarly, rock won't die because it's about raising a massive middle finger to whatever upsets you. It's unbridled energy that everyone can share in, and drives the soul. As long as healthy anger, the kind that motivates you and inspires you, lives on, so will rock music.
+playingforbritain Right in the point which is usually passed by! Great comment
Luiz Eduardo Fonseca Thank you :)
Where are the thoughts on The Black Keys in this conversation of "dead rock?" They're pretty mainstream at this point and I still enjoy all of the music they've put out and continue to deliver.
No genre can ever truly die and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know shit about anything, fuck that dumb nonsense. _CLASSICAL_ still has new artists contributing new stylistic approaches to it and has an audience. Elements of immensely old tribal music still works its way into modern music. As long as anything has musicians playing it and people listening to it it's not fucking dead. End of story. Barely anything as far as genre goes ever breaks through to super-huge megastardom mainstream popularity, but forget that standard. Fuck it. Nobody should care if they actually care about the art itself. Monetary and large-scale popular success is nice and all but at the end of the day it's all about the music. The foundation of all music in and of itself isn't dead because you occasionally might slap out a rhythm on your fucking knees, for christ's sake. Nobody should be talking in these "alive or dead" terms. They're useless.
Hey, it's you :]
Oh hey, I know you. lol
Fancy seein' you here.
*****
I'm not surprised... you have good taste in Music :]
Why *WOULDN'T* you be hanging out with Goodthony Tunestano?
ＩｍｐｅｎｄｉｎｇＲｉｏｔ８３ if humanity goes extinct and the earth blows up, then I'm pretty sure that counts as genres of music dying.
ＩｍｐｅｎｄｉｎｇＲｉｏｔ８３ Meaning that rock is not in the mainstream and they are going to not be heard as much, losing fans, and losing artists because they can't make money. Then it becomes lame and kids who still like it get mocked. Then they leave and don't come back till college. And some never come back. So then rock has no breakthrough artists and only stays underground while more give in to lord synthesizer.
Pop-rock and indie-rock are doing fairly well on the charts today, for example, bands like Imagine Dragons and Coldplay are charting high and they're labeled as Alternative rock, in which they blend genres together but still have rock in them. What bothers me is how bands like those are "saving rock music" when they're listed completely differently (some say they are reinventing rock music, but not exactly). I think in able for ROCK to survive, bands should have a trendy breakout single with a somewhat poppy, yet powerful hook to draw people in to the album, which has more rock oriented material. Journey has a lot of poppy hooks in their songs and they're listed as rock, hence they were a popular rock band. Also what's missing in current rock songs in my opinion are memorable riffs, musical progression, and most importantly, originality; distinctive qualities. It's difficult to create "new" rock without reusing and rehashing familiar riffs and sounds, but there has to be something unique about the bands, and as Anthony said, there should be just enough space to fill in for a new era of rock with everything that's trending currently (even though there are people who will scream sellout). Not to mention this generation is mostly computer oriented, and if there's guitar in the mix, it's mainly lighter, poppier music. In my opinion, heavy rock and metal music are going in a downwards spiral on the charts. The latest Behemoth record was pretty successful, but just not enough to make it a breakout album for the masses like Metallica's Master of Puppets was in the 80's. Lastly, there are still great rock bands/records today, but they are not getting enough recognition or promotion in movie soundtracks, commercials, etc. and they being slept on pretty hard. What rock tracks do you normally hear in a trailer for a movie? Back in Black by AC/DC or War Pigs by Black Sabbath.
"I think in able for ROCK to survive, bands should have a trendy breakout single with a somewhat poppy, yet powerful hook to draw people in to the album, which has more rock oriented material"
Come with Me Now by Kongos? in my opinion one of the best rock songs to break into the mainstream as of late, hook is catchy as hell, the song is chock full of energy, and is actually pretty unique too w. all the accordion riffs thrown in there.
Overall, i agree with you.
I haven't listened to them yet, but I'll check them out.
"I think in able for ROCK to survive, bands should have a trendy breakout single with a somewhat poppy, yet powerful hook to draw people in to the album, which has more rock oriented material." - That's often the case; of 90's and onwards there were Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Queens of the Stone Age, White Stripes, The Strokes etc. And as of recently we've had a band like Black Keys doing that as well, but I guess that a lot of bands who have the potential to do a catchy rock-pop song to break out just doesn't want to compromise with their "own" sound JUST to break through. It's a cheap sales trick too. If the music won't come to the masses, the masses must come to the music by themselves.
***** You're absolutely right, great comment.
***** Turn Blue is a surprisingly good album. "Weight of Love" and "In Our Prime" are masterpieces. Fantastic guitar work and production overall.
The reason for calling rock music "guitar music" is because the sound is driven by guitar, not just because there is a guitar in the song.
Well, there's Biffy Clyro, Arctic Monkeys, Cage the Elephant, DeWolff (Dutch band), The Black Keys, Chef'Special (Dutch band), Editors, Foo Fighters, The Gaslight Anthem, Kings of Leon, Muse, Placebo, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Wolfmother. All of those bands produce rock music and still reign the Pop-charts once in a while, or several times. And also, a genre being dead doesn't exist. Classical music has fans, lots of fans, all over the world, but they don't reign the charts, much like Jazz. Though these genres are still growing expanding and in a healthy state. Metal is going through a real boost since bands like BTBAM, Opeth etc... So I don't really get the point in this discussion. Just because it doesn't get to number 1 anymore doesn't mean it's not on the radio or dead
Nearly everything you listed was relevant 10 years ago or more.
Versipellis If that's true, then I understood his comment the wrong way haha! I get what you're saying now, about Arctic Monkeys etc. I do agree. But the new Biffy Clyro release (although I don't really like it) had a pretty refreshing feel to it, and especially Muse's The 2nd law.
I totally agree with you on the other bands!
dont you think The Arctic Monkeys have been focused on imitating what many would call old-school rock since Suck it and See? Their first two albums were filled with spunk and captured their unique style, but i really think theyve been lacking innovation as of late.
You guys are right. I was only focusing on the part of Rock not being in the pop-charts, rather than focusing on the fact that their is nothing really new happening right now.
I think it might be time to lay the "rock" idiom to rest and create a totally new genre with instrumentation and ideals that reflect the conditions of modern life and music consumption. Rock'n'Roll feels so rooted in the 20th century to me. I love some rock bands but I can't honestly see how the "drums, bass, guitar, and vocals" setup is going to compare with electronic music in terms of innovation.
"Percussion is just so passe" made me disrupt a quiet coffee shop with obnoxious laughter. GIF-worthy.
yeah let's change that. who wants to start a band?
I'm a drummer. Let's do it.
Ok, how to start?
got some good ideas
+Dr. Xanax and nurse Succubus Got a guitar and feel super lonely. think that counts
give me a couple of bands you enjoy a lot ? could give it a listen
"Guitar music is dead!"
"What's metal?"
chronovac keyword is music
@@12askeland231 lmao how people like you still exist in 2020 is beyond me. what bands did you listen to for such a naive opinion?
It needs originality. It needs uniqueness.
It will comeback eventually. Next 6 years for sure.
***** :^)
Honestly, Marilyn Manson changed rock music. I want to be the next "Marilyn Manson" like bring back its uniqueness and change it to be more modern in a way. Then again I'm only 14 years old.
Nathaniel Ray I wouldn't credit Manson with changing rock music, but rather bringing Industrial and Alternative metal as well as electronic / industrial music from the confines of the 90's underground to fairly mainstream territory, (at least for a little while, and I say little while because his day in the sun has been over for a sizable amount of time by this point. His main audience is the cult following he's amassed since his height in popularity, and he seems to be fine with that)/
I would rather look to bands like Soundgarden, Faith No More, Nirvana, and lot of other bands that surfaced in the late 80's and early 90's (not unlike Manson) who intentionally aimed for a more "mainstream" kind of sound and target audience. And even then, to claim that a group of bands have changed anything seems like a stretch. They did definitely influence bands that came after them, there's no denying that. Then you have to take personal bias into account to see how people may perceive what it means for music to change.
Pretty sure people said the same thing about jazz back in the day. :)
It never came back :(
The Red Hot Chili Peppers really showed me last year with the album "The Getaway" there's still originality in rock music. Especially with the track "Dark Necessities."
Rock will never be dead. Because whatever you hear on the radio, has been in influenced by Rock at some point. In that sense It will always be around..
That's pretty vague, everything been influenced by everything, doesn't say a thing.
Wavves the front bottoms fidlar tiny moving parts bunch of sick bands doing new stuff now
Meatwood Flac while i love wavves and fidlar, i wouldnt really call it anything new. but i do think that kind of sound might come back around.
Can't recommend Tiny Moving Parts without mentioning Old Gray. Also, Wavves and Fidlar are torch-bearers for the latest revival of Lo-Fi Garage-Punk, it's beautiful.
All those bands suck
+Rock N Roll Party Music Really? Oh. In that case I'll stop listening to them.
+Rock N Roll Party Music ok who is good????
funny how the day after this video, swans released to be kind
Probably my favorite album right now is Sabatons Great War album, being a history buff, I like to hear songs about things from history such as the crusades, the battle of Kursk and the battle of Verdun. Fields of Verdun is probably my favorite song off of that album
Melodic Hardcore is all you need.
Ew
I dont think screaming is melodic in any way what so ever...
dftba171 Melodic hardcore doesn't scream that much. And even when it does scream, it's the instruments that are melodic not the vocals.
Matt Silva They don't scream that much? Are you serious? That's all that Metalcore does. It's a disgrace to metal when 15 year old emos call themselves metalheads cause they pirated one BMTH album. So fucking stupid.
ThreeFreeTrees Why are you talking about Metalcore and BMTH in a comment regarding Melodic Hardcore? Neither of those have fuck all do with it...
It's still there, just not in the mainstream.
That shot with the One Direction album in the background should be the thumbnail.
Ask Devin Townsend, Tosin Abasi or Steve Wilson if the guitar is redundant...
Or St. Vincent and Courtney Barnett
Oh, and Brittany Howard from Alabama Shakes. Her twangy Blues isn't really my style but I deeply respect her in revisiting the masters of early rock and roll, such as Sister Rosetta Tharpe.
wait, hold on, are we including metal in rock here? cause if we do we have A LOT of progression going on
you know, the rise of djent, deathcore taking steps in all directions, death metal and black metal expanding to all kinds of new territory, Trepalium making freaking swing metal
metal in general is very transformative and progressive right now
+Uzzwick G I don't know if you can really class djent as a genre. The only "djent" bands i know of are Meshugga and Gojira and they play prog metal. Also, djent has become kind of a meme with all the "but does it djent" shit.
+James Blobb
gojira aren't djent, also there are many djent bands out there, except meshuggah is the only good one.
+Uzzwick G
Uh... No.... Not really.
+Uzzwick G Um, when did metal fans start forgetting that metal IS rock?
I'm excited for post-post rock
Black Keys, Royal Blood, Florence and the Machine, Ghost, and Highly Suspect didn't do too bad on the radio and the charts. Those are some big names too!
Ghost is such a good band
The Amazons are also a good modern rock band. Going on tour with Royal Blood soon too
King Gizzard and the Wizard Lizard
Bill Billiams Even moreso after 2017
Yup (*Lizard Wizard)
Death of guitar music? Metal begs to differ
The funny thing is I know of at least two DnB artists and some dub step guys that play guitar on their songs. Fuck even little Wayne plays guitar! And these fuckers think that guitar music is dead. Tell that to dying fetus rings of Saturn the faceless Nile mastadon dream theatre BLACK SABBOTH even released a new one last year.
The only reason metal isn't mainstream is because most people aren't musically cultured AT. ALL.
ShredAllDayAndNight Nice stereotyping.
ShredAllDayAndNight Bro, I am a huge metal fan and I can only think of a couple bands that I enjoy that have that crap in them. Besides, looking at your name Im pretty sure your trolling. Not-metalheads don't shred bro, I'm sorry
ShredAllDayAndNight I hate djent. Shut the fuck up.
The recent wave of British post-punk bands (black midi, Squid, Shame, BCNR etc.) give me some genuine hope for rock music. I don't think it's dying, rather it's transitioning and morphing into something different.
Agreed, Rock won't die, just not be mainstream anymore. Just like it happened with jazz and will probably happen with every other genre at some point.
Can't find any good rock music?
Can't be looking very hard.
100% this, Young Widows "Easy Pain", Greys "If Anything" and Big Up "Eighteen Hours of Static" = three of the best rock records of 2014
SuperMario16bit Oooh...cheers. Forgot about Young Widows new album.
Johnny Wrong is Right
Rings of Saturn, Protest the Hero, Periphery, Gorod, The Algorithm. The Algorithm blends so many types of electronic music with metal and djent in order to create such unique and captivating sounds
Tool is unique. Not new by far, but if you want something original, run to Tool.
Rock isn't dead. Bands like; Thee Oh Sees, White Fence, Ty Segall, Parquet Courts, Ought, Foxygen, Whirr, Jacuzzi Boys, Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Real Estate, Mac DeMarco, Metz, The War on Drugs, Tame Impala, DIIV, Radio Moscow, The Growlers, Deerhunter, Tess Parks.
All of these bands and artists are trying out now sub-genres of Rock whilst doing the same shit we all know and love.
Please explain to me how those bands are innovative and trying out new sub-genres.
@Hello World not true my man, those bands have very passionate audiences. Its very strange, once you discover one of those bands, you happen to stumble upon the rest.
Hello World not correct
Damn there you go those are good bands
the problem is nobody knows those bands, you don't hear them on the radio.
when rock was the main music for young people you turned on the radio and you could hear really good songs by good bands as the latest top hit.
rock is not the cool thing all kids like anymore.
It seems like we're always going to have to try and convince people that certain genres aren't "dead". And who determines that a genre or a movement is dead, anyway?
***** I wouldn't say Hip-Hop records are making more of an imprint on music history than rock. I think hip-hop is just more relevant right now. The music industry is far different from what it was 10-20-30 years ago. People don't have the attention span for albums anymore. The music industry is too focused on singles and what sells to teens/early 20s. You don't need to make 12 great songs, you just need one good party track for success. Our culture is much more about a party aesthetic these days and EDM and hip-hop is able to fill that. Not too many people want to rage all night to Keep Your Eyes Peeled by QOTSA or Wakin On a Pretty Day by Kurt Vile.
Seth Arp Music
People have never really had the attention span for entire albums. What you're describing is the way the music industry has been since the dawn of the record label. In fact, a record was originally nothing more than a collection of hit singles arranged in a way that sounds cohesive.
Don't believe me? Look at the fanbase people like Elvis Presley and the Beatles had back in their heyday. It was mainly teenaged girls.
Dude, you really have no idea, do you? It's not about its shrinking popularity, its about the fact that the rock music being made nowadays just isn't good enough.
+Barry Costello
Well, you see..
Most of the succesfull rock bands in the last 20 years try to bring back an old genre and bring new stuff upon it: Nirvana with punk/noise pop, Mastodon with metal, White Stripes with garage...
Rock is in constant evolution and im sure there are many new styles and genres yet to come.
So what's the problem? You either dislike rock, or just think that it doesn't deserve respect anymore for not being in the radio?
there may be hundreds of bands that would make you change your mind if you just knew them.. And many more that will come. :)
Seth Arp music I'm disappointed about hip hop being in the mainstream right now. At least the shitty rock bands sound good, unlike all these soundcloud rappers trying to be the next post malone or something like that.
Underground punk music, Doom and Stoner metal have been undergoing a Renaissance since like 2010. Really groundbreaking rock bands like Elder are pushing the envelope. The popularity of Mastodon and Baroness also tells me that vital rock music can thrive in the mainstream.
I've got a feeling that this era is going to be like a time when people look back and going to see alot of bands that weren't huge now and go become huge latter on.
Howtostudies maybe sounds possible
Basically My Bloody Valentine
Oh hi Mark
Me
Believe it or not, this perception (and reality) of the overshadowing of rock is largely due to the music biz exec gate-keepers who think they know what the public wants, when they are actually just limiting the public's choices. Rock is still being made, but you have to seek it out (now, in places like the web) and younger people don't necessarily already know what it is they might want to look for.
I have musician friends telling me electric guitar is dead. That was five years ago and I am still playing guitar & watching this video makes me never wanna give up electric guitar !
2017 is the first year in America where hip hop is the most popular genre of music beating rock music
Nah, 2016
i must be obsessed with Pink Floyd, cause whenever you mention the band a little voice in my head goes: FUCK YEAH ! ! !...
I love your letters from fans
thanks. i love this comment. :-)
theneedledrop you are smelly
What about King Krule? I think rock can be more innovative if we stop to think in genre's and just make guitar driven sounds.
Rap kid: I want to play music- download app, pick loops, pick beats. Put your phone mic on, get going.
Metal kid: I want to play music- buy gear, find like minded people, deal with scheduling, practice, save money to record or buy recording gear and learn how to mic drums and instruments.
Rap is a genre is just more efficient. You can put together a beat and loops on an app and the quality of the sound is not just easy on the ear out of the box due to no production needed, less people and resources are needed to make this happen where a band has more resources and multiple people’s hands in the mix. Thats multiple spouses, multiple tastes, scheduling issues, etc. The production and engineering is a huge task, very cumbersome.
Is it relevant, well… sure, but the music that will come through has to be of the highest quality and skill, not skill like a guitar virtuoso, but a band virtuoso. The people in this genre recognize real and we want real. Sure nostalgia is ok, but We don’t want the revival of the rehash. I mean, sure, we will accept it a bit, and reminisce, but if we are going to really go all in, we are really waiting for the turning point.
There's a lot of shitty rock music bands out there, that's for sure
***** My point died in Vietnam
Salad Volcano I'm sorry.
bookplate fucking lol to that
Salad Volcano there's is no good edm music out there thats for sure.
+Salad Volcano tame impala man is all you need
Popularity doesn't matter, it never did even when Rock was at it's peak in popularity it was generally the more underground rock bands that were the most innovative, in my opinion. That's not to say I don't enjoy a lot of the well known "rock classics" so to speak, but my favourites in rock (excluding radiohead, pink floyd, and a few others) have always been the lesser known.
***** Let me rephrase that, popularity isn't as relevnt as creative integrity.
***** I agree to creativity to being subjective to a certain degree, as music can in fact be boiled down to algebra essentially and there's musical theory. In a sense music is like a subject such as maths or science where there's much you can learn.
Subjective comes in when we discuss what we think in ourselves makes the best composition, which is where the best music debates come in. I think people need a balance between objective and subjective in most matters personally, but that's me. You seem like a passionate music lover, so I respect you for that as well.
i think rock fans in general just want their taste to be appreciated. Im fine with it being "underground" or a "niche", but i get why people want to be appreciated for their tastes
I'm surprised no one in the comments haven't mention Alabama Shakes they are a great band
one thing I actually long for, particularly from them but also from modern music in general, is good guitar solos. I don't listen to a lot of new rock music so maybe I've just missed it, but soloing seems to be a dying art since the late 00's. Not necessarily the shredding style stuff, but just good guitar solos.
Maybe it just all sounds a bit cliche now so it gets avoided, but I miss it!
Try Twice Like mice try Unknown Mortal Orchestra, listen to Hunnybee, Major League Chemicals, From The Sun (live), and tell me those arent ripping guitar solos..
Someone in the comments did, so your comment is false. You lose, which makes you a loser. Does it feel terrible, to be wrong? I mean, you just wrote one thing, and it's completely untrue. That a 100% failure rate.
Currently I would say that the mainstream is in a dance-based phase, which is always something that seems to happen in waves. The late swing era and the early rock and roll era going between the 50s and early 60s were all about dancing. Then came a reactionary, revolutionary period of blues rock and psychedelic rock in the late 60s, and all of the heavy metal kinds of bands of the 70s. This period was more about the music as a means in itself, rather than an aid to dancing. Then the mainstream experienced a resurgence in dance-based music all through the 80s. Then the 90s had a brief grunge period before dance music stole the throne again, and has been reigning ever since. I have great hope for the immediate future, given that we're long, loooong overdue for a mainstream of absolute music rather than music for dancing. I've also observed that the kids coming generation, having been born with the infinite informational access of the internet ready at hand, seem to be especially intelligent, sensitive, insightful, and creative. Perhaps enough to break the mold of the overly-accessible, hackneyed, dull consumerist music popular today. They're growing up with great, creative cartoons like Adventure Time, Korra, and Steven Universe. The mainstream movies they're growing up with are getting better and better. Their video games are really good. And they're growing their minds with crowd-sourced things like UA-cam rather than commercialized cable TV. Hopefully these great things are popular enough with kids that they'll become a generation of original thinkers, ready to challenge the previous generations' musical taste.
This is an old comment, but you really expressed something I've been thinking myself but was unable to think so concisely about. Well done.
You missed disco in the 70's and numetal in the late 90's. So no, dance music did not steal the throne until the 2000's.
I've always thought if you wanted to start a rock band that'll change a generation, you must look at the trends.
Don't completely become pop, yet experiment and bring something fresh and new to the table. Try to use social media, such as UA-cam, to the table. Maybe start those bandvlogs IDK.
In summary, make your band relatable and the music relatable to the youth.
I'm 13, rock on
Rock never dies man.
Rock is love
Rock is life
Rock is eternal
I definitely wouldn't say rock is dead, I mean look at progressive metal, it's more commercially successful than it has ever been because of bands like Periphery, Tesseract and Between the Buried and Me. A lot of metalcore bands and even some mainstream rock bands like Papa Roach have incorporated djent into their music. And there is still innovative bands like Ne Obliviscaris and Native Construct.
I was hoping to see NeO here. But as much as they are my favorite band to come out of the 2000s even they're more so just iterating, not necessarily inventing or reinventing. Especially with Citadel, quality aside, it was a creative step back compared to Portal of I which put out a sort of interpreted sound from bands like Opeth and Wintersun, perhaps with some of the back ends of prog/jazz.
+Jack Robnson Metal isn't rock. Get a brain transplant stupid.
Rock N Roll Party Music no you get a brain moran
+Jack Robnson = Cawk polisher
Rock N Roll Party Music no u
Rock fans be like: "Everything new is fucking garbage. I won't listen to that Blink-182 My Chemical Romance bullshit."
Then they be like: "Why doesn't anyone listen to rock anymore?"
True af. They be arguing to me, "WHY CANT NEWER ROCK BANDS BE LIKE THIS??!!!", so I showed them King Gizzard, Tame Impala, Radiohead and Queens of the Stone Age. But, they be like "LOL WHO TF R THEY?? THEY'RE NOTHING LIKE LED ZEPPELIN AND QUEEN!!!11!!!" I never be more facepalmed in my life.
Just to think between 10 to 15 years ago Electronic/Dance music was regarded as dead meanwhile Rock was all the mainstream media would cover... funny how these music cycles work.
I think Royal Blood's album was pretty good. Nice recommendations, loving Deafheaven's Sunbather.
I love them, they are great but I wouldn't call them innovative (I know jimmy page called it the future of rock or something like that but they aren't pushing forward a new genre like grunge/britpop in the 90s or garage rock/ indie rock like the strokes and white stripes in the 00s.
Storanzo98 I think their innovativeness comes from the bass guitar being used as a lead instrument.
dfa1979?
Drew Nosky The process is somewhat new, but the sound and the way that they construct their music is pretty similar to how electric blues has been done for a long time. I like them, but they're not new. Certain parts of them could be called almost derivative, he stays in same pitch range as a guitar for the most part and supplements it with the range that a bass normally sits in.
"Reject the past, and look towards the future." BOOM! How to save rock music. I have always said saving music in general takes a sense of youth and vitality within the music. Nothing perfect or derivative of the past. Music thrives upon the energy and the innovative minds of those who are, if not, feel young and truly inspired.
I think this comment is under appreciated... Anything that inspires a movement must be...inspirational. Something that cuts through. Right now, the most influential rockers are getting old. They need to be discovered by some new-and truly creative-blood, to be processed into something remarkable. (“Processed” is not meant to imply or suggest “regurgitated” or “repackaged” or “emulated”...)
Royal Blood. That's all I have to say
+Bruno Vazquez Oh god no. Horrible band.
+StrokeMeYouInsolentHumanCuzIAmACat matter of opinion mate....
+Bruno Vazquez Royal blood is one band and to be honest there lyrics are average they dont sing about much and they have about 2 or 3 songs you actually care about.
Marmozets, Slaves, Enter Shikari, BMTH. All have had a lot of airplay on radio 1 in the last year or so and all essentially rock music
honestly I listen to RB because of their sound. Yes! Marmozets. BMTH is sadly getting to overated.
I think rock fans are mostly of an older generation. Myself, I am middle aged. I loved disco and would watch Soul Train as a child and listened to my uncles' music. I loved the huge bands, productions costumes and positive vibes! Was devastated when I reached high school to see Disco/Dance craze die and I hated the soft rock middle of the road crap of the '80's. I've always liked classical (still do) and metal was the closest to it, so I got into heavy metal (NOT glam metal) and gave up the dance and concentrated on school. So I've seen how one genre can topple another one. Happily for me, Chicago House started and disco returned in dance music during my 20's, but I also grew into hip hop and enjoyed some alternative. I still listen to metal, and I still love classical (Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn). I love all music genres (except country) and what I like in the moment depends on my mood and what's happening in my life. When I had a very stressful job in a coffee shop during university, I couldn't get enough classical yet on weekends when I wanted to socialize after resting I wanted to go out and dance. In high school when I wanted to blow off frustration and boredom, I wanted metal. I have a niece in 2nd yr university, a 17 yr old nephew a 14 yr daughter and an 11 yr old son. Even in their short lives I've noticed how- take hip hop for an example, has changed. Angry white kids when I was young listened to metal. Black urban kids listened to rap. Only when Beastie Boys came out did white kids accept pop/rap but somewhere the youth anger switched to rap/hip hop from rock/metal/alternative. Eminem? What happened? Well why was disco abandonned? Could it be economics? They say 3 rock guitars is more realistic for kids in the late '70's than having to find a horn section as well as different percussionists, back vocals and producers. Rap came from urban poor and requires even less (who can afford guitars and guitar lessons anymore?). House music too (they sampled from disco for crying out loud). Maybe rock needs youth with an anger that it feels it can challenge. Rap anger is different. It has lost hope of changing the system and has turned to crime, drugs prostitution etc. so it related better than rock to youth in those circumstances. So if youth today no longer relate to rock, perhaps it's the world that has changed. 21 Pilots use guitars but rely more on electronics. What circumstance are youth in today? What is their anger like? From my niece (Eminem) I've seen hip hop change to my daughter (Drake) in five years. Eminem's fast furious lyrics to Drakes subdued slower, even repetitive stances that Eminem fans criticize as not real hip hop shows what kids crave. Kids today, like when I was overstimulated at the coffee shop want escape music, or "dumbed down" calming music. I think it reveals the level of stress and despair in our kids today, overstimulated by their phones. Listen to what they're singing/rapping about! Rock came out in a different world. It spoke for that generation before unemployment and climate change and A.|., and automation and technology. That's why to me rock is no longer popular.
Hello There!
@@Osakafr Ah....General Kenobi!
There’s rock bands that do talk ab that stuff lol
i lost it at "Percussion is so passé"
In my humblest of opinions, the metal underground has been churning out more technically proficient and interesting music then the 80's and 90's did.
Rock music will eventually die because most of the stupid rock fans are too busy criticizing todays music and listening to Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band for the 1000000000 time so they don't support the new artists or even try to find new ones.
***** start a what?
***** shut yer ass up ya white boi eh..........eh.eh....eh
People said that in the 80's also man..... and again in the 90's then again in the 00's..
Yeah...But you fucking hate the Eagles.
What you're saying is totally right. I often catch myself listening to the classics for an month or so. Rock might just be the most versatile style of music, even when looking at mainstream bands like the beatles, pink floyd, talking heads, nirvana etc. there is so much difference, and for the better, that is.
But because the general crowd is moving away from rock and albums, rock doesn't become mainstream, and one has to dig very hard to find a nice album they like, but then their record deal gets cancelled because not enough people are buying it. It's all so sad...
I think that the hip-hop music that can be heard one radio isn't all that special. I prefer 90's hip-hop and rap, and every modern listener would..
It's all copy-pasting these days, both in style and production, and that's pure shit.
Actually laughed at this comment because it's so true hahaha
Commenting on this video late, just found your channel from the PJW feud and I really enjoy it. With that said, I don't think rock is dead but it's golden age is long gone I daresay because much of the original rebellious, nonconformist spirit driving the rock movement has faded away since it's purveyors have now become part of the dominating cultural establishment; they got into a comfort zone and their creativity and will to innovate has been rusting since, thus it's very unlikely that truly groundbreaking artists like Dylan, Pink Floyd, the Pistols or Nirvana spring up and - even if they do - get much traction within the current situation.
Japanese Math Rock better be the way of the future or else it's a future I don't want to live in.
Doesn't Cage the Elephant count? I'd say they have a pretty big future in front of them...
***** Cloud Nothings?
***** I believe .
People are still playing music with instruments from the byzantine era. How the fuck is the guitar gonna die? it's only a few decades old
Cooperman666ROFL no, dude, no it is not
exactly
Jon Benham The electric guitar is only close to a century old. In terms of music the electric guitar is a baby. And the acoustic guitar as we know it today has only existed since the 19th century. Again, in terms of instruments that's incredibly young.
Johnny Torpedo He said "decades." The ELECTRIC Guitar is about 7 decades old, but the GUITAR is much older than "decades."
I was talking about the electric guitar, since the video is about the death of rock, and I really wouldn't mind if ''grandpa guitars'' were gone :P. Still, relatively speaking guitars in general are very resent as Johny Torpedo said. And even if it wasn't it doesn't matter. Pianos are still fucking used, and they might not be ancient, but there were equivalents. Yes pianos might not really be used much on anything heavier than rock, but synthesizers are. And synthesizers (not talking about modulars) are basically more modern pianos with more variable but different capabilities. Just like the guitar might be an extention of the spectrum of stringed instruments. So in the future, the only thing that might happen is that we move on to touch guitars or something, still a guitar but not a stringed instrument, just like with the synths, still a ''piano'' (sry I know there is an ocean of differences, but you get the similarity ) but without strings. So the guitar in the future might not be pop at some point, but it will be a novelty, something special, like using an actual organ in a concert instead of a keyboard preset.
mac demarco is a pretty good rocker
Just heared 'Ode to Viceroy' a couple of weeks ago for the first time. Damn, I can't get it out of my head. It's such a cool song.
Mac Demarco isn't really "Rock Music" . It's more Indie Rock, kinda of the new "Slacker Rock" of today
Geek97 nigga if it has the word rock in it it’s rock music
Indie Rock...isnt... Rock music
Jacob Harris Just because Cypress Hill is Rap Rock Group, it doesn't make it a certified Rock Band you idiot. Just because it has the word "Rock" in it doesn't make it official.