Sim Racing is Way More Fun with Bass Shakers - My $100 DIY Setup
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2023
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Simracing haptics, transducers, bass shakers, butt kickers... whatever you want to call them, I found DIY adding a couple to my sim rig to be a fun project with an outstanding outcome.
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Each time I've considered an upgrade to my Playseat Trophy, I find you've not only accomplished it but also shared a detailed video tutorial. I noticed you've incorporated two shakers. I'm contemplating expanding to five, positioning one at each corner and an additional one beneath the seat. This will require some inventive mounting solutions on my part. Think this will be over kill? I like that you said peace at the end too haha. I thought I was still the only one.
"Peace" Haha. I love the idea of trying 5 shakers on a Playseat Trophy. The first thing that comes to mind though, is that thing is gonna be heavy as hell. My second thought is you'd need 2 more Nobsound audio interface/power amps, so you'll be packing a whole lot of gear, but I think that's manageable. I'd use a USB hub for sure to keep cabling tidy. If you need to move your rig around like I do, the extra weight might be a pain. I'm not a frail weakling, but I'm 55 and my back ain't what it used to be. I think I'm right on the weight limit for me.
Well shot, informative, to the point. Great video!
Thank you, brother!!
The use of the Velcro strap kit some light bulbs for me - happy racing.
I'm happy to hear. That's what I try to make this channel about, ideas that lead to more ideas.
Great to see GT7 and simhub. Nice setup and video!
Thank you! Yeah, it’s awesome how well it works, especially considering it’s a PC interpreting the data from a console.
What a genius idea to mount the transducer to a cutting board and usjng velcro straps to suspend it! I was scratching my head wondering how to mount to my Ikea Nolmyra mesh chair and this might work ! Thank you!
Keep me posted! I hope it works!
after actually reading the safety warnings on the shakers, I moved mine from under the seat to the sides. So like a 4 wheel setup, on the edges of the rig and as far away from my body.
Interesting. What’s your main safety concern?
@@DigitalRelay Would like to know this as well since that's where I've been thinking about putting one bass shaker or either on left or right side with one under the pedals plate.
@@sonyx5332 I wish @revs1567 would chime in with his specific safety concern. The only thing that came up on my search is that some people have said their bass shakers get hot, but that seems to be an issue when installing in a car in an enclosed space. Mine are very open to the atmosphere and in a climate controlled room, so it's not been an issue for me. If anyone knows of any safety concerns using bass shakers, please comment here.
@@sonyx5332 I found this in the manual for a BST-1, which is the larger version transducer than what I installed. "WARNING: Do NOT exceed 50 watts RMS per Bass Shaker multiplied by the number of Shakers (example: 50 x 4 = 200 Watts RMS)" And this... "WARNING: Always check under carpeted locations and recheck the mounting area so as to not cut or drill into any existing electrical wiring, airbag sensors, hydraulics, brakes, gas, or fuel lines." Neither of those concern me in the least. I'm running a proper rated power amp, and that second warning isn't about the transducer itself, it's about being careful when installing (in a car) so you don't ruin something else. Of course, proceed at your own risk.
@@DigitalRelay Thanks for this info and taking your time to find this out also. The BST-1 are exactly the main bass shakers that I'm planning on using, just need to find a better amp than the typical mini Nobsound as I will be using two BST-1 and later on probably adding two more or just the smaller TT25 under the pedals plate to use with the console and Simhub software.
Nice job my friend and beautiful setup.. I have the next level hf8 haptic pad running thru simhub for gt7 on ps5 on a small 80 dollar mini pc. What a difference for immersion it added. When its not on you really notice something missing. Theres so much adjusting i simhub for it its almost endless my friend. Theres 8 transducers in the haptic pad 4 on the back on 4 on your seat. All of them can be adjusted individually just like yours.
I been using thrustmaster tgt2 wheel with load cell and just ordered Gt dd pro with Mclaren v2 and wrc rim that can be used with xbox too. I have both consoles that's why I ordered the fanatec DD pro. I hope Im going to like the dd pro. I have no problem driving with the tgt2 even though its belt. Its only 6nm but its plenty for me. You earned a sub my friend.
I think you’ll like like the gt did pro. It was a world of difference from the g29, which I still use at my girlfriend’s house. It’s not bad, but it feels so vague by comparison.
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Love my bass shakers.
Yeah, they make a huge difference
what a mint video, im running a buttkicker gamer pro on my rig while playing gt7 and love it, i only have 4 things triggering my buttkicker thou as i found to many and it gets alil too much and seems to be buzzing all the time but when in VR these things are amazing.
Thank you! Yeah, that's a great point with limiting effects. My first go at it, I had way too much going on and it's difficult to differentiate what's all happening.
mind if i ask what 4 things you have on?
@norrisyu TC, road vibrations, gear shift and road impacts.
Thanks for a really well informed and good video. I also have a Playseat Trophy and want to do this. I wonder about the positions of the shakers, is it good to have them front/back, or do you think it would be better in gameplay with a left/right setup? What do you think now when you have tried? Thanks a lot for this clip 👍🏼
Thank you so much! For my particular setup, front/rear made way more sense than left/right. The PlaySeat Trophy is pretty narrow, and I wanted the bass shakers underneath and hidden, so if I had gone left/right, they'd be very close to each other and difficult to feel as much separation as left/right. If I had a stationary aluminum profile rig that never moved, I'd probably go with 4 bass shakers, one on each corner, along with a rumble pedal on throttle and brake for wheel spin and wheel lock respectively. If you don't care about hiding the bass shakers, this might be an option on the Playseat Trophy. You could also try just mocking up the bass shakers and attach them with velcro straps or gaff tape to test location before final install. One last note, now that I have a DD wheel base, 2 bass shakers, the power amp, rumble pedals and wind simulation on the rig, it's heavy. I still have to pick it up to get over the area rug, but I added furniture gliders to the bottom of the rig so I can mostly slide it around.
Good job man . I really liked the video. Super jealous because I still haven’t ordered anything as of yet. Just wanted to ask if u have any lag in the sound/ feel . That was my only concern . I had planned on going with buttkicker but I really want this so I may just go with the Dayton audio . My Logitech G Pro already has a transducer in the base so i think putting a couple on my rig will make it complete.
I have not noticed any lag at all. My PS5 and the Windows PC (MacMini) running Windows are both hardwired to the same network switch. I'm not sure if that makes a noticeable difference for lag, but thought it worth mentioning. It's an awesome mod!
@@DigitalRelay sweet . I’m excited . Thanks man . Really appreciate it
Yes! Please show the sim hub settings!
That can work. Now that I've used the rig for a bit and had the chance to dial in effects, I'd be happy to share where I'm at.
really nice and tidy cabling! How is your amp/usb soundcard on the pedal plate holding up - I tried to decouple it from the shaker for fear that the rumbling might damage the electronics. Is it still going strong? Thanks
I used 3M dual lock tape to mount the sound card onto the pedal plate, and I think that may give it a little isolation from vibration. So far, absolutely no problems with it. The only minor issue I have with haptics in general is when I connect and disconnect USB, Windows sometimes doesn't recognize the sound card. To fix, I have to restart Simhub. It's a minor annoyance.
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Thanks for sharing! I'm doing something similar to this for the playseat challenge x.
Question: Because the amp runs up to 50w, but the shakers you picked are rated up to 35w, what measures did you take, if any, to ensure you don't overload the shakers?
Nice! I just finished adding smaller bass shakers to my old G29 wheel stand rig. Video in progress. I'm interested to see how you handle the install on the Challenge.
On both rigs, I'm running the power amp at about 50-70% on the volume knob. In Simhub, the main output is around 60% and none of the effects are at 100%, so I'm sure I'm not pushing 50W to any single speaker. For me, I'm getting plenty of haptic effect without coming close to outputting full power.
+1 re. Sim hub settings. I have a near identical setup with sim hub running on an old Mac mini 😂 with GT7
Next, you’ll have to add a 5” dash with a raspberry pi to complete the setup.
I made a bracket on mine out of aluminium that fits into existing screw holes on the dd pro wheel base. I also made a GT7 dash that uses all the telemetry data available for GT7 PS5. Having a large gear indicator, fuel gauge and lap counter is a game changer.
That's awesome!! I have played around with Dash Studio in Sim Hub a bit. It surprisingly worked even on the laptop viewing the PC via VNC. For my purposes, when I want an external dash for GT7, I've been using the Eziodash app for iOS. You can't customize it, but it shows pretty much exactly what I want. I have a minimal tripod I use with my iPhone when filming YT videos. When racing, I lower it, pop my phone in, open Eziodash and plug the phone into the PS5 with a USB-C cable to keep the battery charge going.
@@DigitalRelay I used a black aluminium L bracket and attached it to the 2 spare holes on the front of the motor. I think they were designed for this purpose. You could easily do the same for a phone bracket. ..however, more drilling required to hide the cable 😉
Anyway.. I uploaded this quickly from my phone. I think it works pretty well. ua-cam.com/users/shortsRRNB7GiSbYc?si=CZ-XXgDShsl8pinP
I used a cheap car 'rear view camera' dash display with hdmi. You can run it directly from the laptop as a 2nd screen. Or on the same wifi network, you could just use your phone.
@@timmypunt3565 Love it! I have used Eziodash on my iPhone set up on a small tripod next to my rig. I like using it for tire temps, since GT7 doesn't show it on the main screen. Eziodash is donate-ware, and works great on my iPhone 15, but lags very badly on an old iPad mini.
@@DigitalRelay As I'm on PC, I did it with SimHub Dash, as there's nice ones available on racedepartment. Don't use it anymore as I race in VR nowadays.
I do still use my Stream Deck as a button box sometimes (created a huge set of icons). But that's not really a console thing :)
Finding your channel is what inspired me to finally do something about the mess of visible wires I had going on, with my R-seat S1 tubular rig! 👍 I also bought the same nobsound amp in red to match my red seat and used a small thin cellphone magnet mount to hold it onto my rig on the left side seat mount.
Now comes the sad part!! 😞I have an old Dell Vostro 13.3" running win7. I installed the sim hub software, bought a license and no matter what I do, I can't get things to work??😒One thing I haven't tried, is plugging the nobsound into my PS5 via a usb cable?!?! As it is now, it's plugged into my laptop and the cable for sound also plugged into the laptop. I've got BT turned on, amp on, dialed up and still nothing coming out of the base shakers I've got mounted on the seat back and bottom. I've got the V3 pedals with the small rumble motors, so all I wanted was some feedback from my seat.
Not sure if you'll see this, but if you do, I'd love to hear back from you as to what I'm doing wrong?? If not, that's ok as well, I'll get it figured out one of these days... 😉
Cheers 🍻
Pierre from Canada.
Definitely do NOT plug the Nobsound amp into the PS5. Assuming your cabling is correct and the Nobsound is getting power from a power supply, I would get Simhub running on the PC, hookup the Nobsound to the PC and the bass shakers, then use the "test" function in Simhub to see if you can trigger the bass shakers. If not, then there is something in the configuration on the PC or in Simhub that isn't right. If the "test" function triggers the transducers, then you need to make sure that Simhub is looking for the right IP address of GT7 on the PS5. I'm not a thorough expert in this. You may want to head to www.simhubdash.com and under Help is a link to join their Discord server. Be patient, you'll get it figured out. :) And thank you for your kind words!
@@DigitalRelay Awesome, thanks so much for the reply! I've got power to the amp and when doing the test function with the amp turned up, I don't get anything. I'm pretty sure it's a config setting with the IP address with my PS5. I hope it's not that my laptop is too old, running win7 because when I pulled it out of retirement for this job, I wasn't able to connect it via wifi and had to run an ethernet cable to get on line. SimHub installed alright. When I did a bluetooth detection, it discovered the amp and installed some features, but then came back with a driver install failure message?? 🤔
I'll be looking into that for sure and let you know.
Cheers,
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Hello, very nice work. What different sounds/vibrations did you put on your pedals and on the seat? Thanks Marcus
Thank you, Marcus! Throttle pedal has wheel slip to let me know when I'm losing traction while accelerating. Brake pedal has traction loss to tell me when the brakes are locking up. The bass shakers have gear shift, road texture, road impacts, and rpm. The wind simulation fans speed up and light up as the car speeds up.
@@DigitalRelayThanks for your quick answers. I'm also just starting the project and your video helped me a lot. Thanks
How dis you make the transducers to sync with your ps5? Using a macmini or pc. That part youndidnt mention. I kinda have the same setup but with xbox
I installed Windows on a MacMini with bootcamp so I could install Simhub, which is PC only. Simhub receives the telemetry data that Gran Turismo 7 on the PS5 is broadcasting on the local network. Hope that helps.
Hello mr. DR,
Do you use the laptop just for settings purposes and then you put it away or it needs to be connected & becomes part of the whole set up, Another question,
Will I get feedback from need for speed games or this is just for GT7.
Thank you in advance. (I’m new to this).
The laptop is only being used to connect to the Simhub PC via VNC. It's basically a remote way to login and control the Simhub PC. I like leaving the Simhub PC stacked in my entertainment center without a keyboard, mouse or monitor hooked up to reduce clutter. I do not see Need for Speed in the Simhub supported games, unfortunately.
Hi DR, Wow thank you very much for the detailed tutorial this will come in handy.. would you mind helping me with something, as this is all very new to me,I have just bought a simple setup to use on my PS5 and play seat challenge x, basically I bought 3 of the mini Dayton TT25 8ohm transducers and the Nobsound mini Bluetooth power amplifier with built in sound card which is 2channel and 50w and 4-8ohm.
My plan was to have one of the transducers (8ohm) under my pedals, then two transducers a on my seat, but running in parallel which I think then halves the ohms so each transducer would be 4ohm, is this safe to do I don’t want to blow out or destroy anything, any help you can give would be greatly appreciated..👍
See my reply on your comment on My GT7 Simhub Settings video.
@@DigitalRelay thank you buddy
Hi sir
I wanted to put it on my rig with ps5 since day one ,, this vid it was so nice sir
Question sir do i need that Mac ?
You do NOT need a Mac. You need a PC running Windows. I happened to have an old Mac with an Intel processor laying around, so I installed Windows and use it as a PC.
Thanks, intresting tutorial. Could you tell if it's possible to get this effect with PS5 only? I have PS5+GTII whell and pedals - can I install bass shakers via hdmi extractor+external music card only?
I have not tried this. I think technically, you could get the bass shakers to do something by extracting the audio from the HDMI signal, but it's going to be imprecise and you won't be able to tune the effects. When using Simhub on a separate PC, you are able to specifically interpret the incoming telemetry from PS5, and use it very specifically to control the effects you want. For example, incoming road vibrations telemetry can be used to trigger different output levels, and specific frequencies to each bass shaker. Gear shift telemetry can have different levels and frequencies from road vibrations so that you can feel and tell the difference. If extracting just game audio to trigger bass shakers, you'll basically end up with subwoofers.
thx a lot, please make video about your set (PS5+PC+shakers). It's really something:) "True Simracers" don't want to talk about consoles;( @@DigitalRelay
I really thought there are no way to do this on console...:)@@DigitalRelay
I only discovered it a few months ago and was amazed this could be a thing. For me, it's worked better than I expected and has made sim racing so much more fun.
Are the speakers / bass shakers strong enough for you? I'm thinking about getting either the BST-2 or BST-1.
They work really well for me. I’m literally sitting on the board for the rear, and the front is directly under my pedal tray. I’m at 80% master out in simhub, and the power amp isn’t all the way up. None of my effects are at 100% either, so I could go stronger, but I feel like it’s right for me now. If they were attached farther away from me or on the outside of the rig, they might be a little too weak.
THX @@DigitalRelay
Are you content with the BST-2 under your seat or do you wish there was more? I'm thinking of having BST-1 in the front and BST-2 in the back.
I feel like I'm getting plenty of feedback from the BST-2 under the seat. The Playseat Trophy seat doesn't have much structure though. It's almost like a sling or hammock chair where you are sitting on thick fabric. The BST-2 attached to the plastic board is directly under that fabric, so I'm very connected. If it was a car seat, I'd probably want the BST-1.
Thanks for your response! My bass shakers finally came in. Would you mind sharing your simhub settings for GT7?
Edit: just realized you have video on this already!
@@TheFifaddict I just came here to paste the link! Haha... ua-cam.com/video/F97lpVBlL20/v-deo.html
Hey DR
Could you please explain your input into the amp? Im about to install 2 bst1's with the nobsound 200w amp. You mentioned "usb" input but where does this input come from? Is a "hdmi sound extractor" absolutely necessary? If so you could you please explain how you got it all setup? I have the same rig with GPro wheel and pedals on series x.
If you're using Simhub or similar software, you do NOT need an HDMI sound extractor. Simhub receives the telemetry data, then uses that data to trigger the effects going to the Nobsound interface/amp, which feeds the transducers. I think an HDMI audio extractor would only be used in a simple system where you were basically using the transducers as subwoofer for the TV sound. This would give you some bass shaker effect, but you'd have almost no control over it. If you are using Simhub, have control over each effect. For example, if you had 4 bass shakers, one on each corner of your rig, you could make it so when simhub detects wheel spin, you it triggers only the rear bass shakers. You also can use the frequency setting to help differentiate different effects. You also get to control volume/balance. So if you wanted brake lockup to trigger just your front left bass shaker, you can do that. In a nutshell, Simhub does not use any game or TV audio. It's actually generating its own audio signal, but the purpose of the bass shaker is to feel the vibration rather than hear an audible sound. Although, the nature of making vibrations on your rig is likely to be heard. I hope that makes sense.
So if I understand you correctly, its a usb output from the "laptop/computer" that is running sim hub directly to the usb input on the amp? This may just be easier than I first thought.
@@quintondafel225 Yes, that's correct. The Simhub PC just needs a USB connection to the nobsound interface/amp.
Thanks so much for the tips mate. Ill give it a go this weekend and see how i track. Excited to get it all packaged and working
finally, after sifting through the algorithm i get a god video. thanks for posting this. def gave me a lot. i have a mac mini as well, gotta figure out how to do the windows thing.
I'm glad it helped. Windows install isn't too bad. You basically just download the Windows ISO file, then use boot camp assistant to assign space on your drive and install. Then jump through a few hoops in Windows to get up and running.
it is unfortunate that i’m on a newer system
the m2 systems only do virtualization.
from what i read that doesn’t play well with what we’re trying to do as far as tie in the ps with the mac for telemetry. 😢
@@willzjayvee Yeah, M1, M2 might not be the best for this application. I was lucky that I had an old Intel MacMini laying around not being used that worked for me.
the shaker under your does it stay in place, or do you have to adust it every time?
The shaker under the pedal board is bolted in and very secure. The shaker under the seat took a little bit to dial in, but it is held in place with two large velcro straps and I haven't had to touch it in months.
Can you post an update with your preferred simhub settings? I'm looking to add similar and sure a lot of people would be interested!
Yes! I'll do a Simhub walkthrough this week.
Uploading now!
If i get a 200w nobsound amp can I add 2 bass shakers to 1 channel if it’s going to play the same affects?
That should work if the impedance of the bass shakers and the amplifier match. You'll need to wire the bass shakers in parallel, not series though.
7 months ago?... Have you got it all "dialled in" to your satisfaction now?
Remember I wasn't totally satisfied with Wheel Lock/ABS trigger, or Wheel Spin....
Sim Dashboard (app on my phone) seemed better at detecting it than PC's SimHub.... Even the haptics in the Controller (pad) were better
I'm either happy with how I have it dialed in, or I've just gotten used to it now. Wheel lock/ABS is definitely not ideal, but I feel like braking in general in GT7 is not ideal. Especially initial pressure. I semi-regularly have Simhub not detect my interface and I have to restart Simhub. On those occasions where I start to drive and there are no haptics, I pause the game in one second to go fix it because it's become such an integrated part of sim racing. I should do a followup video and take some time to go over all the effects again and see if there are any improvements I can make. To be honest, I got burned out on making more videos after some of the negative, rude reaction to my GT7 to iRacing video. Ignoring that stuff is easier said than done.
@DigitalRelay Well, thank you for your reply - and thanks for making the video. (Yeah, YT isn't short of silly/rude comment! 😉)
Yeah, so much about GT7 is good, but one or two little things are unnecessarily frustrating, eg. I'd love to race in PSVR2, but the lack of race info is prohibitively disadvantageous.
Don't want to use the word "stubborn", but Kaz has always seemed to be resolute in his decision-making
Please tell me how to get GT7 working with Sim hub with one PS5 and another PC. I’m really struggling to get this going
Assuming they are on the same local network, look under network settings on the PS5 to find its IP address. Enter that into Simhub on the PC and you should be good. The only other thing I can think of is if you have a port conflict. I'm not an expert on that though. I'd search for Simhub port forwarding instructions or maybe get on the Simhub Discord.
Its even more fun in VR.
I am sure you're right about that. I did have PSVR2 for about 6 months, but it just wasn't a great fit for me. I struggled to find the sweet spot for focus, and the overall resolution didn't feel high enough going from 4k TV to VR. I may try it again, or when PSVR3 comes out someday.
@@DigitalRelay hmm thats too bad. I can find sweet spot with no problem. Resolution is still HD in my eyes so im not complaining about it.
@@ji3200 Yeah, my vision isn't great, and I'm old, so I wear progressive lenses. That might have something to do with the difficulty finding the sweet spot. Oh well!
They make prescription lenses you can put into the psvr2
@@Empire_of_Ravens I appreciate the suggestion, but I actually bought the prescription lenses for my PSVR2. It was slightly better, but I still struggled to find the sweet spot.
Can I hook up bass shakers to my ps2 racing setup? I want them for gran turismo 3 & 4
Using Simhub, I highly doubt it. I don't think GT3 or GT4 send the telemetry data.
Also, could you use four transducers with two amps on one PC?
Yes, that should be no problem. I've read or seen videos with people using more than two audio interfaces/amplifiers driving 6, 8 or more transducers.
does it have sound or just vibrate?
Their purpose is to vibrate, but vibrations tend to result in sound.
How noisy is it for others around you? Can you reduce the noise to a level where you feel the vibration but it doesn’t wake up the neighbours?
You can definitely adjust levels to quiet things down for bystanders and neighbors. I use to use two different simhub profiles - one with much lower levels for nighttime use, but I ended up adjusting one that powerful enough, and reasonably quiet. It's going to depend on your situation though whether it'll be waking the neighbors or your family. I fabricated some rubber isolators for the four corners of my rig which helps keep the energy transferring into the floor, but it's not perfect.
I cannot believe the amount of effort you have put into getting all these sim integrations working with a console game like GT7. Have you tried any real sims like Assetto Corsa, rFactor or iRacing? The difference is night and dad when moving from a console SimCade like GT or Forza.
I have not tried other legit sims, but the thought has struck me multiple times. iRacing seems especially interesting, but building a PC and cost are unappealing hurdles for me. I've been on Gran Turismo since GT3 and console sim racing has advantages that fit my situation, at least for now. I'm also enjoying pushing the limits on just how far you can go with this stuff on a console game. I didn't even know this was a thing until a few months ago.
Que juego era el de la pantalla?
Gran Turismo 7
@@DigitalRelay gracias, thanks
I say Bass like "bahs"
Fantastic