Velocity Systems Jungle Rig Load Bearing Belt System "Modern ALICE" Gear Overview and Setup
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- My overview on the popular Velocity Systems Jungle Belt 5.56 setup in Multicam. This has been asked for a bit, and with the advent of the "recce" trend I can see why. Not an inexpensive setup by any means, it is the best in class at modernizing the historical load bearing belt setups like ALICE and PLCE, with a very analogous feel. The pouches and webbing itself all have the "boxy" design like ALICE pouches. As always, feel free to ask questions, comment, share, etc.
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I ex British Army and we use web gear set-up also instead of chest rigs. It allows you to better carry the weight and you can carry more items to sustain you in the field.
It's a superior method for distributing CEFO
Thank you for your service 🏴👋🏻
What brand? What’s that look like?
@@Brovahkiin963 British web gear is all over ebay.
@@hektoerdonovan2121 If you're on E Bay, you're being tracked. Your kid's book bag and a decent jacket. That's it. Your welcome.
It's nice to see the US starting to really appreciate decent belt kit
I mean it’s really just been the last 20 years that we used chest rigs. Belt order was standard issue for 100 years prior to that
I recently deployed and we were still issued the TAPS chest rig and rifleman kit. I wouldn't mind trying out a belt style webbing system.
Bro said mined wired obstacle and immediately knew 12B. Good to meet another one
I was an infantryman, but I actually read the scope of the job and have had to do mined wire obstacle breaches
i was Opfor at Ft Polk for a long time pre-9/11 moving through thick brush and patrolling this was way quieter and easier to do rowdy stuff vs the post 9/11 plate carrier.
im in florida too so def the best way to work the land patrol better.
Man it's like the SFLCS H harness but it doesn't suck! Nice.
Who would have thought lol, SFLCS is OLD now though, this is that new(ish) new
Hi
Appreciate the consistency on the videos!
Thank you!
This is a great video and really happy you made this. I have been on the fence for a hot minute with getting a VELSYS Jungle rig. It's nice to see it and hear someones thoughts that have used it.
Thank you! You really should get it, worst case if you dont like it you can resell it
@@opfor8r You aren't wrong, it's like you said at the end of the video price was a bit prohibitive LOL. I will probably end up with one eventually I'm pretty sold now.
Good shit brother keep the content coming great job 🤙🏽❗️
Great video man, really awesome piece of kit.
Thank you! Yeah, it sure is!
Great vid just subd. I’m a Cold War vet, love belt suspenders kit. That said, I had to realistically look at my situation near the mountains in Virginia and what my role will be in the future. I decided on 3 lines of gear for my suburban and rural AO. Clothing earth tones, hunter or mil camo tops. Since open pistol carry is legal I will fight off of a light belt kit. Items Kydex holster, side by side double 556 and 9 mm kangaroo pouches, pepper spray pouch, tourniquet pouch, saw pouch for larger Ifak and bottle of Gatorade and powder, second saw pouch holds either gortex jacket or thin fleece shirt, Alice tripplenmag pouch to plus up ammo or for radio, etc, medium size Ifak pouch for needed items such as eye and extra ear protection, batteries, couple of snacks etc, and small dump pouch. Still have room if I want to attach my canteen, cup, and natik hex or alcohol stove. I prefer to carry a small day pack , third line gear, for water, ammo, and anyother mission gear. Second line gear is a diy small chest rig-2 mags- that can accept a front dynema ceramic plate. Each line holds 2 556 mags and with one in the gun. So I always have 3 mags ready to rock whether for the Glock or rifle or both. So depending on what I’m doing I can plus up or down gear and ammo. I run a plain Condor gun belt, molle pouches are just looped over it and Alice pouches are zip tied. I train in it and it works. Condor belt quickly adjusts for removing or adding clothes, of for comfort. It’s easy to sew up H style suspenders. Need heavy duty thread and 18 gauge needle for sewing machine. Cut 2 straps of webbing to desired length, and 1 horizontal piece 11 inches. Pin horizontal piece about 6 inches beyond half way point on vertical straps. Then drape over you and make any adjustments. Sew together, stitching a smaller and smaller square. Reverse stitch a little to lock in thread. At the end of the vertical webbing fold over 3-4 inches to create a small loop, sew across but not over the preceding stitches several times, reverse stitch to lock thread,. Run paracord through the loop and tie to the keepers that come with the Condor gun belt. You can buy camo, green, tan webbing, or spray paint outer surface of black webbing once sewn.
If you’re already in the mountains and fighting with guns then you can probably ditch the pepper spray lol
Look at that- learned quite a few things on this vid- thanks for the lesson
Excellent equipment
Glad to see you back m8
Thank you
Pretty useful alarm 👍❤️. Poncho in multicam is definitely hard to come by
I love my Eagle h harness it’s very reminiscent of the new split rig by spiritus. And half the cost. Great video love lbe content.
I have a tactical tailor pouches setup on a belt in a very similar setup, trying to mimic the velocity rig, but I am saving my pennies for this same setup. Awesome rig, my dude.
The pouches are the heroes of this setup, def worth trying to piecemeal the pouches
@@opfor8r funny enough, I already have the harness and the buttpack. Wish I didn’t get that though. Would have been happier with 2 gp’s.…. You are right on the money for the gp and canteen pouches, Although I have heard mixed reviews on the 556 mag pouches.
@@opfor8r is the belt sizing from velocity based on actual waist size or normal pants sizing? Having trouble finding definitive answers on that.
@@hisheroisjon I went with my pants size
They are worth. I was using a SORD patrol order harness, hippo belt and Tac Tailor pouches. I have since "piece mealed" a jungle rig. The weight saving alone was worth it.
Slick/semi-slick plate carrier with a belt rig under/over is goated for dismounted movement. It's become my new favourite for its comfort and variability. I can always take the armor off.
Thanks for working on the assault pack video
Its coming! Patience pays!
Appreciate the overview and showing what goes in each pouch to give me an idea of capacity limitations of each. Definitely thinking of rocking something similar to increase sustainability if separated from my main pack. Did have one question, are there any bags/rucks you would recommend using in conjunction with this system? Seeing it makes me feel like my old large ALICE pack sitting in storage may be the best option, but are there any other bags you'd personally recommend that would clear the pouches so you don't have that offset fit and it remains as comfortable as carrying equipment can be?
Depending on whether you go with the buttpack or something like my setup, anything from a 24 hr assault pack from VelSyst to the Mystery Ranch 3DAP I also have a video on. You wont be able to access the rear pouches with it on but mags and the like will be accessible
Mystery Ranch Jump Mountain Ruck may be what you're looking for. May be cost prohibitive though. Take care.
Most of this is theory. If rocking belt kit, go low. Any backpack used should ride high, so as to not push the belt rig down. LOL, all of these systems are General Staff war gaming territory. I E: everything works, and the enemy, General Murphy, has been assassinated. Swear to God, the real danger is the individual tactical genius industry. I run an LC2 belt, Condor H harness, Spec Ops butt pack, and G.I. MOLLE pouches as a 24/72 hour kit. All that Gucci kit will single you out for special attention. Water, ammo, and a bunch of coffee and protein bars says nothing special, how's the wife? TBH, I'm not active, but I read a lot. And retain a lot. And know the rule of 3s. 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food.
Traveling on your LPC Leather Personel Carriers, the Belt and Harness is superior. Chest Rigs and Front mounted pouches on a Flak/ Plate Carrier are for Vehicle Mounted operations and/or when wearing a giant ruck/ pack that wouldn’t work with the web gear belt and harness. Another reason for webgear/ belt and harness is Line Gear. Adding a schmedium ruck to the webgear means you keep your essential gear WHEN your ruck goes away. Lots of guys going into harms way (deliberate attack, etc.) left their butt packs empty, and lots of guys left their rucks essentially empty as possible. SOP Dependent. Additionally; resupply rucks being delivered by a supply and logistics chain to troops is a common contingency. Let the PACE principle decide for you. 🍻Cheers. 🍺
Hoping to get a nixieworks LFR soon!
Your big multicam tarp reminds me of mine cause its huge. I got mine from bushcraftusa.
Great video. The jungle rig is an awesome lightweight rig. It’s lighter than the UK kit being made from a lighter material that doesn’t absorb water.
Not absorbing water is a HUGE development,
@@opfor8r British Tactical are beginning to make pouches using a similar non absorbing material and yes us folks here in the south need this
@@calmolly1 wow thats awesome! Glad to see competition in hydrophobic belt kit! Only gives us more options
@@opfor8r I have some of their triple mag pouches coming. It’s going to be interesting to see how they compare to the fiddly Mayflower
Binged a bunch of your videos. Love belt kits, but holy crap those canteens have got my attention. Where are they from? Are they painted? Some obscure European issue?
Edit: Décor out of Australia!
Haha thanls for the support, and yep Decor 1L flasks
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Nice kit. I'd probably get a poncho and add some type of balaclava or hat, I'd probably rock helikon. And I'd also have some type of gloves, either pig deltas or vitkos Leo's. Your kit is very squared away, I'd just recommend more weather related gear and spare batteries, I live in ohio and the weather here is very bipolar.
In my opinion if you want a good set of webbing that is similar to this, look at Jayjays or dragon supplies in the UK
Actually cheaper too. But heavier. The Mayflower is made from a material that doesn’t absorb water.
i find Jayjays being very (too) UK forces specific.
For example, canteen pouches dimensions are weird and generally too small as they are made for jetboils and PLCE canteens.
Put a Nalgene with a cup in there and the pouch will close in a weird way.
Put a US canteen with a cup, the pouch will completely changes its form.
"Admin pouch" on their beltkits are again very specific to what an officer or a group leader will need to have during an exercise (litteraly freakin binder workbook and 2 pounds of admin shit, not our common landnav kit) but isn't really pratical for what you'd think putting in there like smokes or whatever.
I absolutely love hard-sewn gear and wish it was more common, but JayJays doesn't fit the average larper needs.
@@casultras1989 you’re correct about canteens. I prefer the 58 pattern canteen. It’s shorter, has a wider mouth and holds a full litre. Besides I have them. I run a British Tactical 3 row hippo belt with a mix of pouches. The GP / Canteen pouches come in three sizes. And yes the Admin pouch is aimed at the issues TAM’s. But you can remove the admin features and rock a 200 round nutsack. Or two 1L Platatac canteens. The set I use has a thin admin with multitool, oil bottle, flash light and small gp pouch for camo cream etc.
U.S. LC2 belt and Condor H harness. For mounting, 550 loops work fine. TBH, I retroed because I have a Spec Ops butt pack and it just works best with ALICE clips. The Condor straps are great with no clips, and 550 loops are just there, not in the way at all. So if dropping the pack for rucking, etc, just run through the loops and readjust. Butt pack then goes up top or as a shoulder bag. Currently trying out a Helicon Matilda.
Very nice, any idea on how much the whole rig weighs?
The velocity jungle setup looks nice. I came up with some of the similar features before seeing it to copy british web kit. I found helikon tex makes e&e pouches that can simulate the mid sized pouches on this rig and they're a bit more affordable and available.. I use a blue force gear medkit on center rear. I think the British mindset is far better for citizen rifleman than an ultra high speed usgi setup where you have such massive logistic support such that your kit is so specialized. You can use a slick plate carrier, chest rig and assault pack so make a mix and match configuration to suit your needs.
Do you actually mean 3 sets of shoulder straps on top of one another or am I missing something
@@RavenRedwood To some degree, yes. Again, this isn't for high speed special forces. It's for citizens that need to be able to mix and match capabilities without having an entirely different integrated setup for each. The chest rig just needs 1.5" flat straps. The plate carrier is about the same. Only the backpack on top would have padding and add thickness. I have run setups like that and there are plenty of soldiers that run such things.
Those Vans are based 👌
How well does it work in conjunction with a midride holster?
Still need to get this setup
Go for it, best in class for load bearing belt setups
Quick question are you stowing NVGs in assault pack? That’s how I’ve been running mine but interested in other opinions
@@jdura085 in this setup yes, it would go in a pack or if needed Id stuff them into the back GP
Really nice setup, I was wondering if those GP pouches could take SAW 200 round drums. I was looking for a setup where I can do both roles (rifleman and LMG) without having to change pouches.
I dont think so, I don't have a drum on hand to test it. It will work with 100rd nutsacks though
Arktis has a saw 200 round drums for your rig, sorry blue force gear saw pounch
Good stuff man! I actually found your instagram first
Unfortunately my Instagram is no longer active, repeated bans
Which size belt is this the small, medium, etc?
What's the name of that "BB Trip wire alarm" you were talking about at around 9:00. I tried googling it but couldn't find it
Sound Grenade, or look up "self defense noise maker"
Thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. I, as always, have questions. Haha. Why a tarp over a poncho? Also since you live in FL your probably the best person to ask, when is a rain jacket better and when is a poncho better? Lastly, I was under the impression that flashbangs only have a “place” for CQB things. I’m assuming there is a use for them in the outdoor woodland space too? Just curious. Thanks!
The tarp is because Ive struggled to find a quality poncho in Multicam. So the tarp is a stand in for now. I think a rain jacket and tarp combo is better than a poncho and tarp combo, rain jacket when done right is less in the way. The flashbang isn't a permanent addition in there, it has a place but usually I have different throwables in there, mainly smoke. They have a place as a distraction device or early warning with some tape and wire.
Also consider if you want to move anywhere from your shelter you would have no waterproofs. Having Seperate things for Seperate jobs in many instances is better than jack of all trade bits of kit.
@@opfor8r That makes sense. Thank you so much man, I appreciate it! With that being said, I have had horrible luck with rain jackets cause I get just as wet with sweat than I would with rain. So, I'll save up for a good one, but do you recommend any rain jackets? Thanks!
@@James-C24 I had just started thinking that a few days ago. Haha! I think I will be changing out in the very near future.... again lol
@@harjupsingh1255 Ill be honest I dont wear one often here because of the heat; the sweating is def there with a jacket in this area
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Where did you get the square canteens? I didn't see them on Velocity's website.
OP Tactical
What size is that tarp? Packs very small by the looks of it👌. Kit looks very very good. Well thought out. Although i am curious why those socks aren't waterproofed? No point having a change of socks if they are soaking wet.
Good to see you considering secondary fragmentation risk as well!!!
Took the old ziploced ones out to wash, threw these in without waterproofing, definitely on me. The tarp is a Bushcraft Outfitters, 5x8 I believe
@@opfor8r thanks for the Info on the Tarp!!! Will help me buy one that wont hopefully be too big.
Cant waiting to see more from the channel. Loved your ig content. Will be nice to see some different content on UA-cam. Expanding on points in different ways.
@@James-C24 thank you! Excited to be here
Why no slot for side arms
What water bottles are those?
I’ve heard suggestions about using micro rigs as a supplement to your LBE any experience running that?
Ive tried something like a Bank Robber or other really low profile chest rig, it definitely works. Be advised I didn't use it for a long period of time though.
How big is the tarp
Do you remember who made those canteens? I'm trying to find them for my jungle rig. Most people run nalgeens but I'm not a fan
Décor, out of Australia
How about some fishing (gear) clear string for your trip alarm switch, if.. you ever use it, it would be at a trail path , not around your camp area , but far enough behind you that you could hear it too know if someone were following you , You would be far from it, but able to see who set it off through a scope, friend or foe, understand . That's a lot of weight hanging around you,. You need a P.C. spread that load out on it. More all over you the least important on your back side the most important in the front,. And more food energy food , butt wipes for cleaning, multi-tool, gun oil .
Where do you get those single-serving water purification tablets I've only got the ones that come in little bottles
Katadyn purification tablets are on Amazon
@@opfor8r damn I gotta support Jeff bezos but it’s for a good cause
@@zacharykramer8244 for Harambe 🦍
Yo, may have been asked already but who makes those canteens?
Décor/ Platatac
This just looks like an expensive version of British PLCE.
It's either PLCE or ALICE depending on if you use the buttpack or utility pouches. But yeah basically just high tech retro kit.
Would one of the canteen pouches be long enough to fit 40 round Pmags? If so, how many would fit?
No idea, I assume at least two, possibly three.
Greetings. Can you tel me what is the name of the pouch in the middle, please. I am in need of one similar. I do know of some that takes 7 or 9 mags. Could this be one of those? Thank you.
It is a Velocity Systems Jungle GP
Curious... are the DAKA pouches size small or medium? Thank you sir.
Small
@@opfor8r thanks again man. Appreciate it as I just got my velsyst jungle kit and I’m trying to configure it. I do have the Burt pack but I don’t want to overstuff it either. Great load out here by the way, gave me a lot of great ideas.
@@peterzivkovic glad to help!
Where can I get the platatac flask in the states
OP Tactical
Link to where we can get this gear?
Where is the alarm from
What size do you wear? Curious because different belt sizes have differing amounts of molle columns
I have since sold that belt, I believe this was a medium
@@opfor8r thanks. Any particular reason why you sold it?
@@ajones2840 belt kit just wasnt working well for me
@@opfor8rwhat were the factors that made you decide to ditch it?
@beeefstick the rucks I own didn't work well with a belt setup, certain tasks in the field were made pretty difficult by having stuff on my lower back
Randall? Let's see it. After buying all this kit, you can afford a Randall?
Lol its a Model 1 with a stacked leather Model 2 grip I found at a gun store in Miami
@@opfor8r aaaahhhh, Yesss...
Man I miss your IG page...
Me too man
What is that square water bottle
Décor 1L Flask from Australia
Do the mag pouches stretch enough for 308 mags?
They have dedicated .308 pouches, you should be able to fit at least two into the 5.56 pouches
The jungle triple M4 pouches will fit two 25rd PMAG-LRs like it was meant for them. You can also fit standard 20rd NATO mags (FAL/G3/M14) in them fine but they will be loose and rattle and you will either want to put something under them to bump them up or fix them with pull tabs. It will also fit two BAR magazines if you’re that flavor of weirdo. 🤙🏻
The D rings being on the pouches instead of the belt concerns me for durability.... it'd b better to have a couple on the belt and some on the pouches
The d rings or strap attachment being on the pouches is pretty much standard for all modular belt type lbe. ALICE is worn that way as well as british PLCE, it's plenty durable. If not worn that way the pouches would bounce and generally be a nightmare during any fast movement.
@ShibbyMcCleud this is the only system I've seen that way and I've been looking at stuff from all major manufacturers.... everything from Eagle industries & HSGI to the low tier condor and everything in between, even the old alice stuff, the suspenders connect to the belt not the pouches. I really think ur misunderstanding what exactly I'm saying, literally NO other GP or SAW pouches have d rings that connect suspenders... not Y harness nor 1951 harness, none of them. EVERYTHING I've seen from WWII & Nam to present, British or American (or any other) have the pouches molle to the belt... then the suspenders attach to the belt (not the pouches)
How would you wear a pistol with this kit? Or just forget it?
I just purchased the belt and suspenders I'm going to have to build it slow
You either sacrifice a pouch for a holster or omit the handgun altogether
@@opfor8r ya that's what I figured probably not needed for a lot of missions. Thanks man.
What are those water bottles
Decor 1L Flasks
So what butt pack is that? Or is it their GP pouch?
GP Pouch
@@opfor8r thanks! Was having a hard time deciding on which configuration to order, stumbled across your video and it was very informative!
@@rjmtrevino glad to have helped!
It'd be nice if it wasn't $600
Yeah it should be free! Greedy business owners trying to make complex sewn goods with a American materials and American labor. And trying to turn a profit? Shameful..
@@HotelBravo556 yeah your an idiot
why tac companies keep reinveting the wheel :D
What type of canteen is that?
Décor 1L Flask, they are sold at OPTactical
@@opfor8r thank you for your quick reply
Velocity systems is good stuff....unless you run AK's....and that's too bad for them because i'm dumping stupid amounts of money for AK pouches from Europe
They make a 7.62 version of the jungle kit, I’ve been debating snagging it but I want to make sure the pouches will actually take 3 ak mags each instead of 1, I’ve been putting 20 rounders in my pouches though because they fit
its sooo over priced tho lol. im thinking i might just get britsh webbing. i kinda want smersh to
Yeah it should be free! Greedy business owners trying to make complex sewn goods with a American materials and American labor. And trying to turn a profit? Shameful..
better off buying british stuff @@HotelBravo556
You carry too much Crap though in your LBV, most of that should be in your Patrol pack, I had 6+1 mags(28 rds loaded) iFAK, compass M9 lensetic, 2 Canteens(NBC), pace counter, Red Micro light, admin Pouch with Map, protractor alcohol pens Garmin Etrex and AN/PVS-14, camo stick, and 2 packs of smokes and a can of Dip, 3 IR chemights.
1 canteen has cup and stove and 2 heat tabs the other has Clortabs(iodine tabs) .
Buttpack( old school type) has Ponch and woobie rolled and sinched under the pack, inside I had a set of waterproof bags 1 with clean shirt x1, 2x clean dry socks. The other has calories, usually alot of beef jerky, rat fucked MRE and hygiene items like baby wipes. Outside of waterproof pouches I had 50' of 550 cordage, tiny sew kit, a few feet of 100 mile tape and more chemists and second pair of mechanic gloves.
Leatherman is dummy corded in my left trouser pocket and a trench Hawk(tomahawk) left of Butpack to use as trenching tool and hooch building.
My uniforms for the field are impregnated with permitherin so not much needed for bugs. And washing said uniforms was always in cold water and hunting soaps, this is to minimize IR Glow because we always had to run from the OH-58 Kiowa warrior helos. A Camelbak is often in the kit worn separately over suspenders OR in the Patrol pack.
From what I can gather, the Velsys set up is a flawed execution of a great idea. It uses a better material and design philosophy than its predecessor, the ALICE, but has a few design flaws that the brits fixed decades ago with the PLCE.
It's overall a good design, and can be had as a kit with everything you need, it's just not as good as it ought to be for the $550-$600 price tag. Unless you foresee marching through a river and then hiking another few miles soaking wet, where the Velsys' hydrophobic material will help, I'd go with Jay-Jay's PLCE webbing and have a better rig while saving ~$200.
Poncho is lot more versatile then a tarp.. and rations will provide a lot more cals.. I mean no one wants rations to eat but even a small cookie size mixed in with field stripped meals adds a ton of calories.. you’re talking 72h vs 24h for little added.. little peanut butter makes them almost edible lol
But being honest here the purpose of a kit like this is sustainment long term with some fighting load.. you have almost zero sustainment at all..
"Recce" has been around longer than you have been alive. It was a term coined literally in the 1950s and 1960s, come on bro. The throwables pouch would never be something anybody would ever use in combat whether rural, city or what not, because you have to jumble around to find the one you want. Also do you, but 270 rounds is more than plenty for a loadout like this, I would recommend you adding 2 stripper clips with feed lips somewhere in the pack.
Lol
Someone’s new
What water bottles are those?