163 - Stalingrad Thunderdome: Paulus vs. Chuikov! - WW2 - October 9, 1942
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- Things are looking pretty grim for Vassily Chuikov's 62nd Army in Stalingrad this week, as the German 6th Army launches its biggest series of attacks so far. The Axis are unable to get anywhere in the Caucasus, though, and the American Marines win a local victory over the Japanese on Guadalcanal, but everyone's thoughts there are on reinforcing and more reinforcing.
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We thought we would share with you this personal account from Chuikov recalling the flaming Volga.
"On October 2 the Germans, probably having spotted our post, launched a heavy air and artillery bombardment against it. Bombs dropped all over the bank, blowing up the oil-tanks full of oil, and a burning mass gushed across our dug-outs towards the Volga. The command post was in the middle of a sea of flames. The streams of flame burned everything in their path. Reaching the bank of the Volga, the burning oil poured on to the barges standing near the command post. The burning oil floated down with the current. The Volga itself seemed to be bursting into flame. Telephone lines also went up in flame. Communication could be maintained only by radio, which worked with interruptions. We were imprisoned by fire, descending on us from directions, and we stood in the gully alongside our smoking dug-outs.
On everyone's face was the same question -- what were we going to do?
Krylov, the Chief of Staff, gave an order: 'Everyone stay where they are! Let's get to work in the dug-outs still intact! Let's establish and maintain contact with the troops by radio!'
He then came up to me and in a whisper asked: 'What do you think? Will we be able to stand it?'
I answered: 'Yes, of course! But in case of need, let's clean our pistols.'
We had understood each other."
- The Battle for Stalingrad, Vasil Chuikov, p.184
That end is cold, Chuikov was serious when he say that they are going to defend the city or die trying
Mad max thunder dome
The bit about Paulus and his officers lives in captivity on the Stalingrad Battle Data channel really surprised me. We're constantly told that only a tiny number of the captured soldiers from Stalingrad made it home from captivity in the USSR, and it is easy to assume that Germans were sent to gulags and worked to death, but overall only 10% of captured German soldiers died, with the losses from Stalingrad in captivity being attributed to their already terrible health after first the exhaustion of the meatgrinder and then their starvation after encirclement. But at the same time it is really hard to find a lot of info on this and it would be really interesting to see your take on the situation at some point. Thanks!
What a Visualization of events, this extra information is deep in details given an already state of chaos. Thanks a lot, you guys rock!
@@briantarigan7685 Chuikov was a boss, he never would have crossed back east over the Volga if it came to that. Although he was so lucky he probably would have survived his last stand attempt too.
It is a small point, but the Luftwaffe being ordered to set the Grozny oilfields alight is a tacit admission that the Fall Blau offensive has failed in its strategic objectives.
At least for now. Germany could still rebuild the once they're taken. As they are not taken yet, denying the enemy important resources is better than letting them stand.
Moving the present; no matter what, burning the oil wells/fields to slow down the Soviets production/distribution of oil still slow them down. For how long...depends on if the Allies can get more convoys through.
@@alexandercaires5921 Not really. What MJBull515 say is correct. Hitler to his Generals (23 July 1942):
"If we don’t take Maikop and Grozny, then I must put an end to the war."
The German army had not enough oil for its tanks and airplanes, to do the big offensives planned for 1943. So people even say, the whole Fall Blau was to get the oil.
At least Hitler fear, without the Sowjet oil, it need a miracle to win the war.
@@alexandercaires5921 As had been explained at the start of Fall Blau, they needed to capture the oilfields as intact as possible so they can get the oil. Having unproductive oil fields do not do the Axis any good.
@@mjbull5156 But those oilfields were going to be destroyed by the Soviets before the Germans got to them anyway. They already knew that from their experience at Maikop. Might as well deny them to the Red Army too.
The soviets would have destroyed the oil wells before letting them get captured so Germany would have found them ablaze anyway.
Credit where credit's due: Paulus conducted one heck of an accurate war game!
appreciate the fascist to praise some looser
This guy is nuts
He was a competent staff officer. He was not a competent field commander.
@@gerddergaertner5071 You need some serious help, buddy.
@@gerddergaertner5071 cope harder
Who knows, he might even become Field Marshall one day
"Who's watching the flanks?"
uh oh, foreshadowing
I flunked flanks.
Nah, I think that's just the writers trying to raise the suspense for the season 3 finale. I'm sure this Paulus fella got that covered and is going to play a major role in the upcoming season. He might even earn himself a promotion before that.
Always watch the flanks. The flanks don't lie.
@@Arashmickey as the great poet shakira said indeed. "flanks dont lie''
@@cambuurleeuwarden "Reds, I didn't know you could hang tight like this, you really managed to bog down my blitz. Stalingrad. Bombed it out. Su casa, mi casa."
The Soviet boatmen and river flottila in Volga is forgotten hero in the battle of stalingrad, under such firepower they still keep the supply line running
They had their own kind of D-Day everyday...
@Bobb Grimley ur*
Another forgotten hero was the tramways inside Stalingrad. 🚊💙
Another example of the Mariners contribution to essential war and battle effort. In the American Revolution the famous crossing of the Delaware River by Gen. Washington's Army in harsh Winter weather, to successfully attack the Hessian garrison at Trenton, NJ. was only made possible by the rough Merchant Mariners from Massachusetts known as "The Marblehead boys". Their boat handling and rigging skills were superb.
@Bobb Grimley Brian is the director of a successful corporation who likes to comment without using punctuation and caps because he is rich and powerful. Only losers believe in rules and follow them blindly, i.e. only losers punctuate and use caps.
I don't really like the idea of Indy actually talking to someone on phone we can actually hear. It felt better just guessing to whom or about what he was talking to on the phone.
I agree; it just makes it a conversation with poor pacing and distorted sound. The skit is in hearing only one side, and it also flows better.
It is intersting to see how over 1942 the Allies are getting more and more proficient at the game that the axis used to play so well. The Sowjet performance during Fall Blau and the american one at Gudalcanal for example. The Axis are not so invincible anymore.
Probably Napoleon was right and you should not be fighting your enemys for to long, or you teach them all your tricks :) Great video
Napoleon said something to that effect, after Aspern-Essling or Wagram, if I'm not mistaken. The quote was "these animals are learning !".
Almost like history repeats itself 🤔😁
It probably didn't help that axis was very much dependent on those trips to succeed, while allies didn't need them as much so they could build counter tactics for the tricks that relied on the strengths of the allies (for example Soviets holding Stalingrad meant they were bleeding the Germans of their limited resources while denying the Germans the opportunity to use their speed).
soviet not sowjet
@@mbathroom1 My mistake. In German it is "Sowjetunion"
I hope we get a bio episode about Paulus.
One on Gotthard Heinrici and Ewald Von Kleist and Fedor Von bock , Herman Hoth , Erwin Rommel would be amazing
Chuikov!
A very misunderstood man/general
Check out Battleground Stalingrad channel they cover Paulus being captured and even interviews with him very good stuff
@Mister Baker - yes!!!! They do a deep dive into Paulus that’s fascinating. I thought I would only watch a few minutes (they’re all 40+ mins) and ended up bingeing the whole series.
With apologies to Astrid, I preferred the silence on the other end of the phone, It was fun to guess what was said on the other side.
If fairness, it is hard for someone who doesn’t speak Russian to pronounce the words behind the initials GRU & NKVD. So outside help is appreciated in that videos. It would probably be fun if David from the Cold War channel would answer some of the calls as he seems to be an expert in reading Russian
I believe he means the telephone skits that Indy does at the start of his episodes.
I have to agree with this. It was more entertaining and left more up to your own imagination.
I'm in the same boat. It was a more entertaining way of presenting the conversation when we only heard one side.
edit: thankfully that boat isn't crossing a burning river under heavy shellfire!
same
Sigma rule 1942: If the enemy advances to your important city and is on your doorstep , you appoint Chuikov
Sigma dong.
Sovietillionaire grindset.
and u bring in Zhukov
It may not have caught the attention of Adolf Hitler nor of Tojo but what has become increasingly apparent in the past few weeks of the war is that the aura of invincibility that the German armed forces enjoyed in the first three years of the conflict and the Japanese armed forces had in the first 8 months or so of their participation, is rapidly fading away.
With every passing day, their enemies grow stronger and more numerous.
Thanks to the extreme levels of interference and the blatantly biased edits from Franz Halden that people ended up with for many decades, I’d say that the German aura of near invincibility still endures well after the war’s end.
Only today is the aura of German invincibility slowly starting to dissolve due to the diligent efforts of good and honest historians (which is then slammed by those unwilling to believe the truth as “revisionism”).
Come on!!! Look at how much land they’ve taken!! I mean, yeah, sure, the invasion of Russia is not going as smoothly as the Furry predicted. And Yeah, the Germans have been losing more soldiers and tanks these past few weeks at a rate well beyond their ability to replace both. And Yeah, the Americans have joined the allies and are getting more supplies and munitions across the Atlantic than the U-boats have been able to send to the bottom. And yeah, Stalingrad is proving a tougher nut to crack.
But come on….this is German army!! The same army that people said could never take Poland or France and now occupy both! Same army that’s been dancing circles around the British in Africa. Stalingrad will break! They just need time, patience and an iron will!
Ditto for the Japanese. What’s Guadalcanal anyway? A malarial speck of green on the ass end of nowhere. Far from Japan. And what’s a few lost carriers?!? Just build more!!! Yeah……
Definitely the apex of the war. Next to The World at War from 1973 this series is the gold standard in World War II documentaries.
@@garcalej Thanks, you have convinced me.
@@paultyson4389 You’re continued faith in the Furry is commendable, soldier. BTW, you got telephone wire duty tonight. Here’s a pistol. Try not to make too much noise.
When Zhukov said "November" for his counter attack, he was wise not to add exactly when in November...
It's amazing how much damage the sunk cost fallacy can do in warfare.
whats that
@@SuperCompany007 the more assets you lose the more you're willing to loose again to make it worth it and win
@@konanhuet623 sounds like gambling but with lives instead of money
@@SuperCompany007 Most wars are gambling, but Hitler was only about gambles... .
@@SuperCompany007 Also known as throwing good money after bad or good men after lost men
4:30 - Good Lord! 2,000 dive bomber attacks in ONE DAY and against ONE part of a city? And this is happening while men are on the ground there, shooting at each other with guns and tanks? That truly sounds hellish.
'Sometimes it seemed as though the gently rippling Volga was something fixed and stable, and that the quaking earth was huddling against its still margins.' - Grossman, Life and Fate
The sound of the mortars
The music of death
We're playing the devils symphony
Our violins are guns conducted from hell
Sabaton
Indeed, the air war on the eastern front is often overlooked. On the first day of the assault on Stalingrad the luftwaffe dropped more bombs and killed more people and did more damage than in the entirety of the blitz over London.
It's amazing to me how little damage that amount of air power did to the Soviets. Or really in general throughout the history of WWII air campaigns. Once the buildings are collapsed, all you need is a hole and a bit of overhead cover and anything but a direct hit is survivable. And one dive-bombing sortie per foxhole is a heck of an inefficient way to wipe out an enemy force. No wonder they resorted to large-scale firebombing later in the war.
@@Raskolnikov70 during attacks and counterattacks air power responsible for a lot of casualties, sometimes fully stopping attacks
I appreciate that the main focus is on Stalingrad, but I'm surprised at how small a portion of Guadalcanal the Americans and Japanese are fighting over. I thought it was the whole island, but it turns out it's just part of the northern coast.
The terrain really resticted the area in which combat was at all possible. Or rather the are to which movement of large bodys of man was possible to conduct military operations. The Japanese really suffered from their inability to resupply the island and then resupply the forward troops in the Jungle.
I read and reviewd "Touched with Fire" by Eric M. Bergerud on my small channel, it is a very good book on the land campaigne in the south pacific, and reading about the Japanese efforts and colossal problems on Gudalcanal was amazing.
Most of the island is worthless jungle...
Can't wait for Tarawa...
At the point the engagements are small unit actions similar to that in Vietnam. Both sides are trying to build up for the big one, the battle of Henderson field
@@TheBreadB Just looked up what you meant. 5,000 people died over that...
I would certainly love a video about the non-German Axis on the Eastern Front! Here they are referenced again tantalizingly. Love your channel :D
Romanians, Italians, Hungarians, and Croatians in order of decreasing numbers. French and Spanish "legions" were fighting in the North far from Stalingrad. SS Division "Viking" had volunteers from the Scandinavian countries.
They won't. I'm expecting in Romania's case to be pictured as 2 face assholes who changed sides just to get on the winning side without much context to it. Probably will have a special episode destined to catch the audience up to speed on what happened there from 1939 to 1944. They did the same thing when they covered ww1 only talked about this country in too few episodes. At least then I understood it was because of lack of documents in English language. But here ?!
@@legatvsdecimvs3406 they are also dutch and vishy france ss divisions on eastern front but idk which side of front are they on, and i remembered while i was typing this there are 3 divisions of slovakia puppet state and they are on southern front around stallingrad
@@legatvsdecimvs3406 Slovaks too
@@DMS-pq8 And the Finns (though technically not Axis)
You know it's bloody when it's not a regional name, like battle of the caucausus, but something super tiny, like battle of the tractor plant...
There was also fortified building blocks that the germans tried to take, most famous of them being the Pavlo's House, so it's literally fighting over which side controls a building, a street or an alley.
Battle of little round top
Battle of Steve’s living room
@@totallynotalpharius2283 Brutal.
I would have liked to see a fistfight between Chuikov and Golikov...Those are some mean looking doods and you just know that they're brawlers.
Thanks for the uploads Indie and Pals.
Fifteen rounds, broadcast throughout the Soviet Union to amuse the troops and raise morale, loser gets sent to the Siberian front.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher I'd watch
@@eldorados_lost_searcher
You mean winner gets to go to Siberia for a "watch the Japanese" vacation while the loser stays in fucking Stalingrad.
I’ll bet 5 rubles on Chuikov, if anyone can dislocate somebody’s jaws with ease, it’s him.
Two armies enter, One army leaves
Oh, they're both going to leave. Just one of them won't be carrying any weapons with them when they board the trains.
@@Raskolnikov70
Dude I know. Hello!, Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome reference.
"The Eagles are coming! No wait... those are more stukas. I guess they overheard the location of my command post." -Chuikov in between rivers of fire.
It's Germany who had the Eagles during the war. And they used them!
It's always stukas because Soviet aerodromes were bombed with planes on the ground into oblivion around 6 a.m., right when the war was declared (corresponding with the fact that hundreds of German bombers crossed the border several hours *before* the war was declared). That's why countries since then are always worried if air carriers or rockets are stationed nearby...
Whoevers writing this story deserves a raise, so much tension and plot twists
14:44 This week on October 3rd 1942, the first A-4 rocket (later known as the *V-2 rocket* ) is successfully launched from Test Stand VII at Peenemünde Airfield in Germany. The rocket will reach a height of nearly 85km, becoming the first man-made object to reach space. It will still need more tests before it can enter service, but it has shown a lot of potential even at its current stage.
Interestingly, Wernher von Braun would later be the chief architect behind the Saturn V rocket that would propel the Apollo 11 spacecraft to the Moon in 1969.
I think there were some artillery shells during WWI that technically reached space, but the V-2 was certainly a major development.
@@Valdagast rail arty shells (that weren't fired by charlie chaplin) never got anywhere near space, they got well into the upper atmosphere (statosphere etc) though. This is also the reason that meteorology became such a big field in ww1, because of how far the shells started moving off the intended target when they got in there and how the weather would affect that
Werner Von Braun aimed for the stars but mainly hit London.
I just put them up, where they come down is not my department says Werner Von Braun.
@@davidwright7193 I believe a not insignificant number of POWs and other slaves died working in the V2 factories.
...Operation Paperclip
I enjoy the longer videos because of the additional detail rather than making it seem like just a brief overview.
I am 65 years old and have had the internet since 1961 and this is the best channel I have found keep up the good work young lady
We're honoured!
If the Soviet artillery was so devastating from the East Bank, there must be some serious air cover from their AA guns to prevent the German dive bombers from annihilating those positions. Sure, camouflage is also something to consider, but hundreds of artillery pieces require space for the tons of ammo and spent shells. I’m no military genius, but it would seem like eliminating an enemy’s artillery shield would seem to be the better alternative to victory.
Edit: I’m well aware of the realities of warfare and that other objectives hold greater priority. It’s just so fascinating to see these two forces slug it out over this city in the middle of no where.
Have always looked for sources about details of what was going on over there, who was in charge, the targeting, the rail heads, any and everything,,, guess Glance tril.... but not much in the condensed version
@@artiombeknazaryan7542 That's what I figured. I watched the Soviet Storm documentaries and recall how Moscow's air defenses tore the Luftwaffe a new one. Its so crazy to see the huge amounts of resources and preparation that goes into these battles. Needless to say that the Soviets got their act together by this point in history, considering the strategies used for defending the eastern banks of the Volga.
They did try a few times but it’s the same old problem of limited resources and combined with strong AA as well as a large red Air Force presence makes hitting the batteries not worth commuting the planes and pilots
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@@artiombeknazaryan7542 Also after the encirclement of the 6th Army, the Soviet moved their AA guns west of the city and made it almost impossible to supply the surrounded Germans by air.
14:56 so it's faster than a stuka, but carries less and isn't reusable
literally hitler: I'll take 1000
Also not as accurate. But, also doesn't risk an aircrew. There are tradeoffs.
And it will come down multiple kilometers from its supposed target. But on the plus site, you don't need a pilot.
But it doesn't need a pilot. Comparing it with a Stuka missile would be more accurate.
@@SpartacusColo uses up 30 tons of potatoes for the fuel in each rocket- oh who am I kidding ze germans won't care, it's not their mouths the food's coming out of
@@SpartacusColo It's not accurate in the slightest. It can only be targeted against big cities to ensure a hit, while a stuka can hit a tank.
Hitler be like “guys come on can’t we just get beyond thunderdome? I mean Stalingrad”
Stalin: “NO. TWO MEN ENTER. ONE MAN LEAVES.”
Hitler: 😳
I appreciate how this channel shows how the war was being fought everywhere. Too many history type channels focus just on Stalingrad or Guadalcanal or North Africa. Seeing them all together gives a great new perspective.
Please keep Indies's calls one-sided. It's tradition !
Agree with this, I also like to think it's different 'actors' in world history talking to him... At some points it could be Montgomery, or Stalin, or Hitler or whomever... Or someone on the front/in logistics. Adds a little to the imagination haha
@@saekhmet4186 Imagination is so so good...
Sometimes the person at the other end might be a bit loud-speaking tho. Of course you could hear that from 2 rooms over
I agree
I agree
Between this and TIK this is the golden era of Stalingrad coverage on UA-cam
I don't have a lot of respect for TIK. He posted an analysis showing that the 6th Army got a below-average level of reinforcements. I posted a comment pointing out that there were substantial numbers of foreign troops involved (who would surely be reinforced by their own countries) and he had only taken German reinforcements/replacements into account. TIK deleted my comment.
@@monicsperryn8497 TIK has an agenda, and so does everyone else.
Buy he truly provides more details than everyone else.
Gotta say, I'm not a huge fan of the voice on the other side of the phone. It's funnier without. No other real complaints though
Eh, it's a funny bit; let the rest of the cast join in!
These intros remind me of the old Command and Conquer cutscene videos before playing a mission!
"Comrade General! This is Yuri."
You’re taking me back, man
4:00 My Romanian forefathers were good soldiers, but lacked modern equipment when it comes to big guns and armor, a large portion of their field artillery was from ww1 and the AT guns were of low calibers and thus no match for the T34 an KV tanks, when it comes to armor they barely received 22 Panzer III and IV and a few dozens Czech made Panzer 38t, which were lost mostly because lack of proper training.
not to mention that they had very little reason to fight. once Bassarabia was back in Romanian hands, it was hard to justify to the soldiers what they were doing hundrends and hundres of kilometers from home.
It really seems like Hitler is flailing here. He ordered the bombing of the oilfields at Grozny, when initially the capture of them was one of the primary objectives of Fall Blau. That's also fascinating that the US managed to send the Russians all of those supplies through Iran. Whenever I think I've satisfied my curiosity concerning the second world war, you guys always find a way to amaze me and treat me to something new. Cheers to all of you. Thanks as always.
7:29 Interesting pic of a German soldier holding a Soviet PPSh-41 submachinegun, can't blame him since they were outstanding weapons.
Thanks for reminding me that I need to finish watching the videos about Paulus' captivity and return home over on the Stalingrad Battle Data channel.
Uh, sorry... spoilers, I guess...
The Russian submachine guns of WW2 were all fantastic, even when they simplified them and ended up with the PPS guns they were outstanding in an odd way they improved them slightly by ditching the drum magazine and using a very well designed stick magazine. Much better than the MP-40 and Stens.
All sides are using all available weapons and ammunition
The Germans loved to surprise the Russians with a German T-34 (captured at the beginning of the war)
Equally, the Russians later liked the capture of the Tigers (1st Tank Guards Army), their only problem was the lack of ammunition.
It may also have been a wise move because the higher rate of fire of the German submachine guns gave them a distinctive sound which might attract Russian fire in return. In urban warfare you have to outsmart your enemy as much as outfight them.
@@Kevin-mx1vi You've got it the wrong way around. The German MP-40 is renowned for having a fairly low rate of fire. Whilst the Russian submachine guns had a high rate of fire.
@@armchairgeneralissimo Indeed, you are correct. My apologies. Anyway, the point was that the German and Russian weapons had distinct sounds.
I read somewhere that it in this week that Zhukov had a meeting with Stalin. There Zhukov told Stalin an idea to attack the flanks of Axis around Stalingrad. He needed still time to prepare his troops for the attack. Stalin aprooved Zhukov's plan.
In Isaev Stalingrad City On Fire he dates the suggestion for the counteroffensive to Sept 27-28 instead of Zhukov's Sept 12, 1942. Even so it went through a number of revisions and it took time to gather, train and equip the men.
@@caryblack5985 really? I quess I was mistaken. I really thought the plan was shown Stalin at the beginning of October. Oh well...
Spoiler:
41 days left until Uranus. Time is ticking.
@@rikuvakevainen6157 Well Sept 28 is not that far off from beginning of October.
Just a bit of unsolicited feedback. I think I enjoy the intro phonecalls to be one way. I actually think not hearing the otherside adds to it. I may be in the minority though. Keep up the great work!
Seconded
3:47 interesting to see where and how the 2nd Hungarian army fought. We lost so many soldiers at the "Don kanyar" (Don bend).
I hope we get to know more about smaller nation's armies fighting on the eastern front, like hungary, romania and so on.
Jobb lett volna, a Duna kanyaron maradni.
Voronezh front most likely
The Hungarians were so much hated for their atrocities against the civilians that the Russians rarely took them prisoners.
Alright more Stalingrad let’s go!
... said no one in Stalingrad . 😆😆
Imagine the amount of stress Chuikov was under?
I guess, he calculated that he will get shot. Ether from Germans or from Stalin....
Lots - and Paulus too. "Chuikov experienced an outbreak of eczema that required him to have his hands completely bandaged."
@@marshalleubanks2454 Probably unable to take a bath for months. Troops on both sides were combating lice as well as each other.
15:09 A rather interesting note that happens this week on October 8 1942 is that prisoners of war (POWs) that were captured in the Dieppe raid in August 19 1942 are manacled in retaliation for the alleged tying of prisoners during the Sark raid on October 3 to 4 1942. This was announced over Nazi German radio with the British replying in response that they would shackle German POWs in Canada starting from October 10.
I'm thinking they're saving for a WAH episode.
They worked these real-life events into the otherwise fictional film "The Mackenzie Break".
Finally.... my saturday night isn't complete without update from this channel 🥸
I know Paulus is going to crush the Soviets any day now since he's been promised "great things." But he is taking his time about it!
It's Okay guys Steiner's attack will bring everything under control
The amount of research is amazing.....Thank you.
Poland was occupied in 35 days. In 35 days the Germans only took some streets in Stalingrad.
France was occupied in 6 weeks. In 6 weeks the Germans could only occupy a few buildings in Stalingrad.
-BBC
To add on Romanian situation, 3rd Army had roughly 150.000 men (and 11.000 Germans) for 138km long front which was far beyond its capabilities. And making things worse was the fact that despite line running parallel with Don river Soviets had managed to maintain bridgeheads at Serafimovic and Klestkay. Romanians would make multiple requests to push them back but were ignored and lacking the necessary equipment to do so (as Germans really wanted Stalingrad so all the supplies were largely for them). And despite having nominally the Romanian 1st Armored Division in reserve, it was largely equipped with R-2 tanks (with 37mm guns) and only 22 German medium tanks. Later the 3rd army could call upon 22nd Panzer Division which was actually the last panzer division to be equip with Panzer 38(t)s and was placed on reserve after losing majority of its tanks.
To make things more concerned, Romanian anti-tank cabalities are very lacking, mainly having 37mm guns (both Pak36 and Bofors), captured Soviets 45mm guns and French/Italian 47mm guns. Heavier German provided guns (no Pak40) are only available in token amounts scattered in various units. So it is not a big suprise that Romanians like to use anti-tank mines, satchel charges and molotov cocktails which were more then enough on some lone tank.
Although things are grim, it was more critical for 4th Army with its front being over 270km long...
Also the Romanians weren't nearly given the amount of mines they were promised. Only about one third
Well even tho Romanians morale was low and their forces were depleted they were still fighting fiercely during Op Uranus
"Soviets had managed to maintain bridgeheads at Serafimovic and Klestkay" - this was the biggest forseeable mistake Paulus made in the campaign. We understand why he did it, he was going hell-for-leather towards Astrakhan in order to cover the advance in the Caucusus, but it was such an obvious fatal flaw that he never should have allowed to develop. Slowing down the advance in order to deal with those bridgeheads would have been the correct thing to do.
@@Raskolnikov70 Not Paulus' mistake but Hitler's. Hitler wanted to take Stalingrad. He didn't listen to generals and ignored threat of weak flanks of 6th and 4th Panzer
Jesus christ imagine trying to push back t-34s and KV-1s in a fucking 38(t)
👍Been Waiting for WW2 in Real Time Upload All Morning!!! You Guys Really Make it Feel Like This Is Happening Right Now!!!👍
Excellent instalment, good excitement from Indy, fascinating facts and figures. But oh, the humanity.
ro2 (and ro1) maps mentioned this week: mamayev, red october factory, (barrikady), (tractorworks), station*
*mentioned to describe chuikov's positions
fun RO2 fact:
there is an in-game encumbrance system which slows players down as they pick up more equipment. This most affected AT soldiers, Engineers and MGs who would quickly lag behind the rest of the troops. To fix this, all MG classes counted machine guns (theirs or picked up off the ground) as 35% of their actual weight, leading to silly scenarios where rambo mgs would ditch their other equipment and suddenly the guy with the biggest gun was also the fastest guy on the map.
However, this only affected the weight of the gun itself - ammunition also counted towards encumbrance, and suddenly being handled 250-300 rounds of ammo by another soldier was like picking up another gun and would noticably slow you down
What’s ro2?
@@srinivasgorur-shandilya1788 Red Orchestra
Game physics are always fun to laugh at. I play Minecraft and my character can carry the mass of a main-series star in his pocket and fly away with it. Realism is for the wonks at military colleges doing wargames.
The Volga is actually on fire...
Cleveland enters the chat.
At least they're not Detroit!
Hey, Cleveland's river hasn't caught fire for many decades now.
I prefered it when the phone was silent...
My fave 20 mins in the week..
Thank you!
I do hope we go back to not hearing the other side of the phone call, I found it to be a lot more charming that way.
The guy weedwhacking with the .30 cal at 13:32 is a maniac lol. Great footage!
Hi Indy
Awesome episode..
This war getting more bloody ever been. Slowly germany army advancing toward defeat..
Been rooted to see upcoming episode and battle of stalingrad..
Thank you..
On the 6th October, Paulus ordered a suspense to offensive operations within Stalingrad that would last until the 14th. This did not mean that fighting ceased, but even Chuikov noted - "the intensity of the fighting dropped dramatically". This break in the fighting allowed Richtofen to switch Luftflotte 4 to the Caucasus to support 1st Panzer Army and bomb Grozny on the 10th and 12th of October.
"Krasnyi Oktyabr, Barrikady, *Tractor Plant* " lol
I'm glad you started including the other end of the phone line in your intros.
I find it really ironic that Paulus was the one to help predict a German defeat in Russia. I wonder if that irony was running in the back of his head when he eventually surrendered to the Russians.
Well done. It is very important that these events not be forgotten.
Is this the first time we hear the other side of the conversation?
15:35 All Axis war criminals must be handed over and tried... unless they can benefit us, in which case we let them go with a slap on the wrist.
We could just let them go...or we recruit them!
no, few weeks ago there was also the other side of conversation
@@kaig7316 We just need to entice them with some valuable paperclips, yes? :)
they weren't really let go, they knew their positions in allied governments post-war were Completely Voluntary™
To be fair it was that loser senator McArthie that is responsible for that, British and French were keen to prosecute a lot of war criminals. But McArthie threatened them with calling in any debts if they didn’t let them go so they could help America against the USSR. Literally the whole McArthie family should be extinguished from the earth just because of what that Loser did in his life.
I hope we get to see some specials on specific interesting Divisions at some point, like the 5th SS (panzer) division Wiking, a division made up of volunteers from the low countries, Denmark, Norway, Finland and according to some sources eastern Europe, similarly the US 442nd infantry Regiment. (I am sure other nations had similarly interesting units)
A very interesting thing to look at would be why these men decided to join these divisions.
The phone bit works better with no voice on the other side
Thank you Indy!
Phone calls without dialogue seemed better. Will see if it grows on me
So after six months of watching this series as much as possible I finally caught up with the real time.
Now it‘s my time to join the Time Ghost Army. Especially now which is 3 weeks from when my grandfathers brother dies in Stalingrad and a few weeks ago my other grandfather lost his left foot due to british shrapnell in North-Africa. This format is done is just brilliant. Thank you so much for the single best thing on UA-cam. You do such a great job!
Most importantly however: I join the TG Army for Sparty and the WAH Series. I force myself to watch every episode. There is no joy, no excitement and no entertainment in them. It is the plain necessity to learn about the dark abyss of human minds. I have heard the words „Never forget“ hundreds of times on memorial days of the local concentration camps liberation or the capitulation date and often in TV documentaries. But none of these had the humbling and haunting effect of Spartys episode closings. This needs to be out there for everybody to witness. Thank you so much and keep going!
These are incredibly kind and motivating words, Thank you, and a heartfelt welcome to The TimeGhost Army.
2000 stuka attacks....ummm, can we get some of those on east bank Soviet artillery?
The Stuka is only able to operate in a permissive environment. It takes unsustainable casualties in a contested environment like the east bank of the Volga.
@@davidwright7193 Correct. The long straight dive path makes them easy targets for ground-based AA guns.
I'm happy to see the He 177 in the background
There's at least one more thing US contributed to Battle of Stalingrad: trucks that carried Katyushas were quite often land-leased Studebakers.
A query: was ammunition sent for all those Thompsons? I recall reading that the Soviets had a problem supplying Thompsons with ammunition (as it was a type not used much elsewhere in Soviet inventory by that point), so the weapons were largely retained by rear line units and vehicle crews.
Doesn't a Thompson machine gun fire straight up 9mm rounds?
@@IudiciumInfernalum it fires .45 ACP.
The USSR also used different ammo from the Allies, their 9mm and smg rounds were different.
I like it to hear the phone conversation, its easyer if u get to hear the answer
I do not like the person talking on the other side of the phone. The questions Indy asks make it obvious what they would be saying anyways.
Love hearing so much about New Caledonia. Just learned of it when my favorite Chicago gangster-turned-botanist uploaded a video of his visit there.
Another great episode!
Loving these episodes, great content
Thank you!
Keep the phone calls one sided
I was the whole time distracted by that well done tie knot. Mine don't look that good.
I know that Stalingrad is the main point of attention, but what's going on in Leningrad?
Cary Black
17 seconds ago (edited)
Here is what is happening in the north en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinyavino_offensive_(1942)
They're still figuring out different recipes for alley cat and sawdust bread. Siege is still ongoing. And going.....
At time stamp 6+45 it depicts 14PzK with 60MOT and 3MOT heavily engaged in the north of the city. This needs to be reviewed. Those units were almost fully engaged to the north of the city defending against the offensive actions in the Kotluban region. These units contributed only elements to the city sector, and then only really to hold the line protecting their southern lines. The main focus of 14PzK was NOT the city, it was parrying the repeated Soviet attempts to penetrate German defences and establish contact with Soviets defending the city. Those Soviet Kotluban operations were the MOST important aspect of this fight-they continually siphoned off German Air and Arty and ground units that could have been committed to the city fight. The depiction in the video portrays something different. Great channel just need more clarity with this campaign. Reference Glantz's books, Stalingrad City on Fire by Isaev, and Stopped at Stalingrad by Hayward.
This was about the time when Vasily Grossman, as a journalist embedded with the 62nd Army, was accompanying Vasily Zaitsev and other snipers on their missions to see up close how they killed Germans. Much later, and much altered, Zaitsev's exploits were made into a Hollywood movie.
The movie is based on the book "war of rats" which was in itself a highly fictionalized version off vasily zaitsev's exploits.
And his two books Stalingrad and life and fate are truly spectacular.
@@aldreymenezes7652 I didn't see anything about it in "A Writer at War." Grossman did not like the practice of "Field Wives," but those were for officers.
@@srinivasgorur-shandilya1788 Indeed they are, I highly recommend them, and also "A Writer at War." I know Indy has been perusing that one lately.
One American contribution that was well received was the P39 Airacobras- they were strongly disliked by American pilots but the Russians loved them- many of their top aces scored most of their victories using them. The Russians will also receive significant numbers of radios and Sherman tanks- which the Russian tankers also liked a great deal because they were so much more comfortable to work in than Russian tanks and they came with Thompson machine guns included, as well as excellent radio sets. When a Sherman ("Emcha" to the Russians) was disabled or knocked out, Russian soldiers were known to strip the leather off of the seats in the tank because of the quality and softness of the leather. They generally made boots out of them.
This series underrates the importance of the bombing campaign and overstate the importance of the fighting in Russia. Also, the Soviets did not acknowledge the importance of Lend-Lease, In fact, the US and UK supplied more aluminum than the Soviets produced as well as more truck. The war at sea and in the air was where the war was won and lost, and Russia made little contribution. Apparently, even Japan outproduced the Soviets in aircraft and ships.
So much lives lost on the Eastern front. In both wars, it was the Russians, and leter the Soviets who lost the most.
@fuckyoutubepolicy staff Folks need to revisit Yeltsin's revelations: Stalin started WWII in Europe via his Contract for War -- usually titled the R-M Pact.
Using Soviet state archives Yeltsin established before the astonished world's press -- a generation ago -- that cutting up Poland was Stalin's idea -- not Hitler's. It was Stalin that launched everything. His intent was to aim Adolf WEST against France, Belgium, Holland and Britain -- intending for WWI to be replayed -- with Moscow now the ultimate victor. Yup. Stalin thought that his pact would push the USSR west in every direction while the Nazis bled themselves out fighting the West.
Adolf was so bloody minded that he was willing to sign off on anything Stalin proffered -- so as to get out of the box that Paris and London had caged him in. The whole bit about the Reds invading Poland on the 17th of September was a crafty dodge. Stalin sandbagged Adolf with excuses while laying the whole war ignition on his ultimate enemy, Adolf. And it worked -- for decades. Virtually all orthodox histories blame Adolf as the exclusive initiator of WWII in Europe.
For proof, Yeltsin simply released all of the secret side-deals that were part of the pact. It's notable that Stalin rather promptly attacked Finland, Romania and held onto eastern Slovakia. The latter turf was invaded by Stalin as Hitler invaded Prague. Hence, it's almost always omitted from histories.
Lastly, Stalin set the Polish partition -- personally. Molotov actually had nothing to do with the treaty - other than commit it to paper. You name it, Stalin drafted what he wanted -- and Rippy just signed on the line that was dotted. He didn't even bring an original back to Berlin -- just a copy. The diplomatic staffers that usually would be committed to such a deed were entirely excluded by both sides. (!!!) Stalin then ejected his (very Jewish) diplomats in a huge purge starting the very next day. It was not a pleasant experience.
@Alex Funk Wrong. WWI started with Austria - and then it sucked in all of the other powers. What no-one realized was that once a major power mobilized -- that alone was enough to compel its peer to mobilize -- in a domino of mobilizations. Even when the Kaiser finally comprehended his folly, he could NOT shut off his own Prussians ! They just HAD to follow the Big Plan.
The cat didn't know how to climb down out of the tree.
The big swing power was Britain. For more on how astonishing the events were, read "Dreadnought." Right up until Belgium was invaded, London was in Berlin's camp -- and had been for centuries. The Big Plan forced Britain against Germany. The Royal Navy ultimately decided the war. The Central Powers became cut-off from the world -- meaning America -- Germany's BIG trading counter-party at the time.
I'm not sure I'm a fan of hearing a voice on the other side of the phone. Part of the humor was being able to fill in the blanks yourself.
Great episode , would be interesting to show a rolling total of allied equipment shipped each month to the Russian front to remind of the combined effort to support those fronts from uk and USA. As was after a combined effort of manpower and technology
Equipment-wise it was insignificant on all fronts of USSR
@@МихаилЧерников-п2т how do you know?
@@МихаилЧерников-п2т 300,000 trucks (from the USA alone) is insignificant? Do machine tools, radios, boots, vodka and rations constitute equipment? A massive quantity of supportive material such as the above was provided, which allowed Soviet industry to focus on producing rifles, tanks, planes and the like.
High-octane fuel and other high-tech specialty items not available within the SU aren't classified as equipment, but were likewise essential.
People tend to focus too heavily on weapons systems when quantifying lend-lease.
@@МихаилЧерников-п2т Hey Ivan. Lend-lease provided 20% of all AFV the Soviets had right off the bat. Also, published Soviet production totals are questionable. Further, they had no quality control. Much of their equipment broke down before it even reached the front. Much what the USSR did produce was made possible by lend-lease steel and aluminum and modern cutting tools that Uncle Sugar sent them. 2/3 of their transportation vehicles were from Uncle Sugar as well. All of that help just scratches the surface. Did you know that all Soviet oil refineries were built by foreign Western corporations during the 1920s and 1930s?
@@Grenadier311 I want to clarify I was mentioning tanks, planes, guns.
Trucks and other supplies were definitely helpful, no doubts about that
Paulus was an excellent staff officer with his calculations that concluded the invasion of Soviet was beyond Gemany’s means. But he lacked the guts and instincts for a great field commander.
Chuikov on the other hand was a fiery war dog!
Germans needed to admit this Stalingrad attack wasn't working and just call it off and do something else. But people get emotionally invested in forcing an outcome when it's clear to outsiders that even a victory, after a certain point, isn't worth the cost. In battle, business, and many aspects of life, don't they?
Say it to mister Furher, when civilians on drugs starts commanding an army things go south.
@@andriusdi no, Hitler was not a junkie, or a madman. The reason to continue pushing for Stalingrad were logical at the time, even if flawed. First, Halder and German Inteligence had guaranteed that the city would fall. Even if it did not fell as quick as they imagined, all commanders involved thought that victory was still possible, if they could achieve it in the right time frame. Even Paulus thought like that. Second, the idea to fall back behind the Don or even the Donets were dismissed because of sunken cost fallacy: they had already sacrificed so much to get to the city, reverting it all and give it for free to the soviet would be, to the commanders, even worse then being pushed back. It would also not have solved the german supply issues.
Staying in the city was only a bad idea because of hindisight. We know Uranus is going to happen. Whe know 6th army is going to get trapped. We know the entire german front will never recover from such loss. Paulus, Hitler, OKH and the generals didnt.
@@AndreLuis-gw5ox By this I meant, that Hitler went from OKH role to Field commander, he never had knowledge or experience in any of these positions, that's how all of these traffic jams, shortage of manpower and bad planning happened. Also he was all kinds of drugs user this made him even more irrational. He was like drunk person sitting in a passenger seat without drivers license taking a steering wheel.
Germany need the oil of the Kaukasus, without it will loose the war. "If we don’t take Maikop and Grozny, then I must put an end to the war. Hitler to his generals, 23 July 1942".
To secure the oil fields, Stalingrad must be taken under any cost. Otherwise, these front can not be held. So, Germany had no other option.
Additional, with the Kaukasus in German hands, over Iran the Germans could attack Suez from the east, without the need for Italian ship supply, what was not working anyway.
That was the problem - there was nothing else the Germans could do if they cancelled Fall Blau and withdrew. Where else could they send those same forces and capture the food and oil resources they needed to keep fighting the war? Both Barbarossa and Fall Blau had to go forward when they did if Germany wanted to stay in the war. Otherwise they were facing fatal resource shortages due to the British (and later US) blockade and would have had to sue for peace.
Bravo. Excellent video!
Side note: Last week, when you had Spartacus answer your question on your beginning phone call my initial (internal) reaction was, "NOOOOOOOOO!" Today, when Astrid answered your question my thought became, "Maybe this is a good idea, as it is allowing me to know what was actually said."
Huh, maybe changing things up may not be altogether a bad thing... who knows?
Enjoyed the video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
This week on October 3rd 1942, the third to sixth missions of the 2004 video game *Call of Duty: Finest Hour* , ( *Dead In Her Sights* , *Defend the Factory* , *Breakdown* and *Into Red Square* ) begins at Stalingrad in the Soviet Union.
As *Lieutenant Tanya Pavelovna* in the *Dead in Her Sights level* , you must snipe enemy German soldiers so as to lure out a German Panzer IV into an anti-tank mine planted by a sapper, and then climb down into the sewer in order to reach the Tractor Factory.
Once the Tractor Factory is reached at the *Defend the Factory level* , you will need to hold and defend it against advancing German forces while awaiting the arrival of Major Nikolai Badanov and his crew’s T-34 tank.
In the *Breakdown level* as *Major Nikolai Badanov* , you must first defend your T-34 tank while repairs are being made to the tank engine. Once repairs are done, you will enter the T-34 tank and make your way through Stalingrad to get to Major General Leonid Belov’s headquarters.
Finally in the *Into Red Square level* , you will continue to use your T-34 tank to make your way to the Train Station. Once there, you are to enter the Train Station on foot and bring up the radio to the forward observation post there.
herr mr phua, i wonder, did you play all of the games you comment about?
@@Kay2kGer Well, most of them but I would honestly say not all of them, yet. I was more of a PC player in the past before moving to consoles more recently. So I have played the old school games like Call of Duty 1 and Medal of Honor: Allied Assault but not older console titles like Call of Duty 2: Big Red One, for example. I used to watch video walkthroughs of those older console games often to see what I missed out in those games, and finally now in the last year or so, I'll been playing a lot of the older console games like Call of Duty: Finest Hour to catch up. It is still an ongoing process with those older games. It's a lot easier now with emulation existing on the newer consoles and stuff.
I just treat this tracking of all video game World War II missions as a small side hobby of mine while watching and supporting the channel and team :)
@@Kay2kGer A small spoiler here though, this won't be the last Call of Duty mission for this month. There'll be another one coming up at the end of the month. I actually use AFGuidesHD's video as a good starting reference for Call of Duty games though: ua-cam.com/video/LNz8pWUKkYo/v-deo.html
@@gunman47 Better get on Big Red One before American troops get in the action.
@@thebigdrew12 Oh I'll been playing that one quite a few months ago, a few of the American missions are gonna come up early next month, which so happens to be at around the same time as one of the missions from Medal of Honor: Allied Assault too. Big Red One is quite an underrated title though it seems.
Please keep the caller voice on the phone call discreet. It used to be intriguing 🤨
Luftwaffe: Look at all that smoke down there! Nothing could live through that.
Soviets: Crossing the Volga, baby.
Japanese: Landing on Guadalcanal.
USA: Killing Japanese who land on Guadalcanal.
Would love to see a short vid about all the times Chuikov was close to his death. Some historians say as many as 8 times!! This dude was super lucky ! It makes you wonder almost …
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I love your channel keep up the great stuff
9:55 looking at this number, now you understand how stupid and straight up idiotic enemy at the gates movie is
Short of one building called Pavlovs house, that is your answer
Last week, Stalingrad. This week, Stalingrad. Next week, Stalingrad. Next month, Stalingrad? Oh, and everything else. Seriously, 1942 is a busy year.
👍👍👍Great feature guys!
Thanks!
There is a quote somewhere...Soviet bridgheads always come back to haunt you...