If they can afford him. It’d be awesome if Flyquest gave him a way to help out part time. I’d imagine they and him want to focus on winning the NA LCS though.
@@sharpieman2035bwipo enjoys talking about league / coaching in his free time actually. I would not be surprised if he makes guest appearances. Also literally nemesis and rekkles are his past teammates, that he has a lot of respect for.
this is so wholesome i love it, no ego what so ever, everyone is eager to learn and a lot of mutual respect , i love this s much from the boys and bwipo is the goat honestly
he also did say sion is a dying champion so... In any case he then says "or not you but whoever made that decision". Sion seems to be like the other group of champs, next to jax / kisante and everything else, where he is not quite undivable but a middle ground These are fun. I get it can alienate players and that's bad business for riot but I don't play league so I do enjoy them a lot
I have never seen this side of pro play going extremely in depth down to the exp of 3 melee creeps to deny level 2 then 4 man dive to be ahead in the next round of camps. Like if I saw a 4 man gank at the beginning of the game, I would think they're trolling. I would've never seen this side of the pro scene if it wasn't for you guys and it has made me excited to see more content from you guys. Congrats on the big W at NNO and LET'S GO LOS RATONES!
LS talks about or used to talk about this a lot, but ppl hate him cuz of the way he expresses himself. But he's someone u can watch (he has vods reviews and coaching vids).
@@katarinanokami2718 I used to watch LS a ton, and yeah, he has a lot of great content about in depth league, especially around wave management, itemization, etc., but I also felt like his ideas were kinda incomplete, he has a very passive view of the game, and doesn't really talk about proactive plays. Love watching caedrel and LR because it feels like they talk a lot more about how to set up and make plays on the map, using tempo and coordination to get advantages in the game.
@@thecosmicmyth2164 i think this is just simply because most pros generally know these things like making proactive plays and the use of tempo. Clearly not all pros as seen with in the west lol but still. So i think he decides to go over the things that pros generally dont think about in order to even create the smallest advantage. However what he goes over is generally going to only help a top tier of players but not us average viewers, which makes me wish he wouldve taken that opportunity to be a coach in t1.
@@thecosmicmyth2164 Im sorry but that seems like u don't understand how LS views the game so I'll try to explain to the best of my abilities. LR and Bwipo see it as trying to force plays so they can get advantage actively, yes that's true. LS instead is mostly about seeing the game as a chess game, so doing enough "right things" to the point where u FORCE the enemy to make a mistake, and at that point u punish them. Both are aggressive, but LS approach is more methodical and more about controlling ur opponent (which btw is a thing that he does with card games too apparently lmao) so it just comes off as passive but it's still a form of aggression.
Its so nice to see full knowledge Bwipo on display after the minor scuff with EU before worlds, bro knows the game and its so fucking cool to see insight into this level of play
After Bwipo coached Bauss, I hoped he would do a session with the whole team. He would be an insane assistant coach for Los Ratones, probably top 4 LEC team.
@@clintfischer1057 Top 2? You are delusional buddy, theyre losing early games to random mixed up gm-chall teams. They'd be bottom 4 and there is no way they could get higher.
4:43 “If you do a lane swap without planning to dive the enemy top, you’re kinda griefing your top laner.” Wish I could see Baus’ face when Bwipo said this 😂
I wonder if it'd be possible to also do a coaching session with a G2 member. They were also a team that were very on top of the lane swap resurgence; it'd be cool to hear their philosophy on the situation and for them to share their thoughts on this playstyle at the pro level. A brokenblade or caps coaching session would be so fire.
Whoever told me Bwipo and Baus are in the same league needs to watch this video. THIS is what a Worlds level top laner's experience looks like, he is so well-informed, and even if he speaks at ADHD speeds, he is so well-spoken.
Yeah people need to realize that there are so many levels to this. From lower leagues to top-level ones to worlds participants to deep runs and finalists, so much goes into leveling up their game. That's why it's so funny to me when people overly focus on simple things like mechanic misplay, draft or soloqueue as if that's what's going on during vod review. You can see as much going on here with the way Bwipo explains stuff to LR, and even he has to smile as he explains some concepts just out of appreciation for the level of theory that goes into them.
Sure i wont say baus is at wrlds lvl, he is not. But i also can guarantee you that other top laners at wrld level also dont have this lvl of knowledge or fluency of speech. And if there is surely is not even a handfull.
This is why I think banning lane swaps isn't just lame, it would be bad for competition. There's a clear evolution of gameplay and macro attention that has come from lane swaps being meta. Yes, it's complicated and sometimes weird to watch, but it feels like the teams are playing chess now rather than checkers
@@nxvh9062 Riot has patched laneswaps twice and NNO considered banning laneswap, in both cases because they're hard to understand for viewers. So, quite a few people.
@@nxvh9062 Some of the NNO tournament players asked for lane swaps to be banned for the tournament after playing against it in scrims. Dunno if that's what OP was referring to tho. Riot also did stuff to plates in top lane to discourage swaps, which is not banning, but still
Yeah I'm actually surprised they took so long to happen. There is nothing that forces ADC & Supp to go botlane and Toplaners to go top, Riot just said so
It's ok, LR also had no idea that swaps and tower dives are supposed to be done only when the ADC+ Sup combo can safely and quickly kill under tower and the enemy top isn't very hard to dive. They were just doing it every game and wondering why it was always a horror show.
You are, you just need a better visualization/more experience. Also bwipo yapping too fast and showing things on part of the map that is covered didn't help.
I think a part of it because these knowledges are quite advanced and you need basic level of macro/map play first to understand what they are talking about. As a gm supp main and really comfortable with basic macros up to semi-pro level, I still got lost at many points and have to replay to understand what Bwipo is delivering. I spent like 2 hrs for this 56mins vod to learn lol. Anddd… what he said it’s just lane swapping 101, surface level xdd. Pros are beasts I tell you, feels like a 10 man chess game, not lol anymore.
Don't worry this is only useful for full party. Doesn't apply to soloq even at challenger because swapping at this level require 5 players commitment with good execution which isn't possible in soloq regardless of how good you are individually.
It's mostly Bwipo explaining very fast and talking to people who have the basis of theory down. I'm sure if someone with the intention of teaching a broader audience were to explain it more patiently you'd understand fine.
Bwipo talks at a level of the game that i aspire to be, there will probably never be a lane swap in Solo queue but i love the mechanics around it. More Bwipo
Awesome to hear BWIPO love seeing how much knowledge there is in this game. I can only imagine the conversation between Chovy and GenG or Faker and T1. Los Ratones coming for worlds.
Ite so funny how tactical analysis just has the faker clause where shit unconditionally applies unless your facing faker or whatever... I dont really understand the game Edit: This was a joke... please I don't want to read another explanation on fakering it, although you guys really are the Fakers of explaining Stuff
I just got into watching pro league and it surprises me how “new” this concept of pro scrims and gameplay review being public is. I guess before this knowledge was much more private?
I mean it's alot to share even if you're a middling/bottom tier team why would you want to openly show your opponents all your findings and everything you've practiced. Unless you're just doing it for content money like LR theres only disadvantagea from this
Meanwhile LS thinks that the whole pro scene is bunch of idiots. Then we see caedrel being much more knowledgeable than LS about macro and seeing the whole picture instead of focusing on things in isolation. And then we see that these things goes even deeper in pro teams. But it's everywhere, politics, fitness, sports, science. People who don't know any better praise individual amateur commentators who are out of their depth.
I first (and last) video I saw of LS was how roasting an world champ player for buying too many wards. I was like: "who does he think that he is", looked up his rank (peak master?) and never watched anything ever again. I maybe saw 10 sec of a co-stream where he immediately stated the jungler was doing the wrong clear path.
@@jeroenvermunt3372That pro players was buying too many unnecessary wards that provides little values tho. Even caedrel agree in that regards. Obviously pink is still very important but that player did very little with those pinks which not only swing gold back to enemy team but also cripple his own econ so he could barely afford an item. Being master doesn’t invalidate his opinion. Plenty of world class coaches barely even plays the game or high on ladder. He is overbearing with his takes and is extreme often tho.
Bwipo is one of the smartest minds of league. People will not understand it because he is not korean/chinese, but he definitely is a lot smarter at the game than basically all coaches except a few (like tom or some others)
@@robenriven he said in this video how he learned some of the stuff himself by watching his own vods. obviously nukeduck is a great coach as well but nukeduck is also a former pro player
@@robenriven you know that i was talking generally, like not just lane swaps? And even if someone makes you learn something, does that mean you are not smart? what stupid logic is that?
Awesome vid! Volume is a little inconsistent with Bwipo being as loud as Godzilla while Caedrel is silent like a rat, so some audio compression would be nice :).
Good shit by Bwipo. Here's what I wish he told the team at the end: One thing that I wish you guys understood better was the relationship between gold allocation and win con. This is mainly highlighted in 2 reoccurring cases: 1. When Crownie is strong, you guys completely ignore him. Nobody peels for him. Nobody tries to fight with him. You take fights before he is ready. And you don't take fights when he *is* ready. You guys are such good players individually that you forget you can simply do the Season 2 CLG Doublelift strat and play the whole game off of Crownie as your win con. You'd very easily win the games where Crownie is very ahead and several items in. But you guys have been neglecting this easy win con when he's significantly ahead and not using him to end games smoothly. 2. When Baus is strong, you easily win the game. Baus *completely* takes over the map. Nobody can kill him without sending a full-on raid. And when they do, he often survives anyway. Baus turns into a macro god when he gets a lead. However, you guys completely ignore this and take kills from him early game. The easiest way for you guys to win any and all of your games is to give Baus an early lead. He will completely take over and the rest of the game will be smooth sailing minutes later. Also, Nemisis, you are one of the best mid laners in the *world.* However, if you don't have your core items, or if you are behind where you want to be, you shut down and seem depressed and pessimistic about plays and forget that you have amazing teammates to use as chess pieces even when you're 0/3. This case is highlighted by the contrasting case: when you're 2/0. Your behavior switch is day and night. If you have a lead, you turn into a chatterbox and a leader. You have some of the best teammates in the world. Just because your champion is behind and it fucks with everything you'd like to do, you must remember that you can control your teammates' champions and use their kits to set up plays even if your own damage isn't where you'd like it to be. Be proud of your teammates. Have confidence that you can think up plays with them even if your champion isn't where you'd like it to be in a given moment. And finally, use that confidence to be as vocal as you are when you *are* ahead. For the rest of the team, you all should be puppeteers of each other. Not micro-managing; but using your teammates for playmaking. Like in football, where a striker sees a path to a goal, using his teammates for passes and feints, tracking his opponents and out-positioning them, he sees the full play in his head that ends in him blasting the ball into the corner of the goal net. You should know by now that if you tell one of these Los Ratones players to do something, they will do it spectacularly. Even when facing against the best players in the world, they will hit their stun on time, in the right place, and get the full value out of their abilities. This is true because each one of you are like the star player of the team. You have something special. Crownie already does this play-visioning the best. But each of you can use any or all of your teammates to execute plays successfully. I see a team that can potentially have an easy time winning every game in the LEC and a team that can win worlds.
After watching this, I am rooting for FlyQuest in 2025! I also hope that flyquest will be happy to share bwipo in the season to help out los ratones as an assistant coach!
Swaps is still a fairly new concept and still being optimised for pro play.. It's going to take time for anyone to understand in depth enough to coach it effectively.. Don't take BWIPO as the standard level of knowledge for a Pro player.
Eh, maybe, Caedrel used to be a pro player himself. I think Bwipo as a world class player with a ton of experience is just on another level of game knowledge compared to your average LEC pro.
@@mda7629 To be specific modern day lane swaps are still being optimised.. Prior knowledge of lane swaps is irrelevant.. In 2015 jungle camps shared xp so top laners would just double jungle and mid, adc and sp would gather to rush down tower in a side lane... The enemy team would do the exact same thing.. Every alliteration of lane swaps should be taken as a new concept because the game is completely different..
I dont watch competitive league really (hell i barely play lol) but im such a nerd i love this kinda thing. Stuff like los ratones is amazing for the competitive scene and i wish teams would be more willing to be nerdy and open about stuff - i understand that maybe tier 1 teams dont want to, though i think they could in some ways but t2 for any esports game doing this stuff would be so hype. I watch val and i hope someone gets inspired by the support ratones has received! At the end of the day esports is entertainment and this shit is so entertaining i love it. Cant wait to see caedrels coaching too!
Before this video I was hoping riot will somehow ground stomp lane swaps with nerfs in a sense of like "you take less damage under turrets until level 3". It seemed to me like the strat was on par with funneling that only worked because some patch broke gold income. Seeing that it's not meta specific but a natural evolution of understanding tempo in the game at the highest level makes me appreciate it a lot more and also realize that we are like 5 years away before it can be successfully applied to soloq. Something like when freezing the waves used to be high level and now every gold top laner knows about it
By the way this is more informative than 95% of what all the coaches in the European and North American region have to offer and there is no debate about this.
I know many hate bwipo but even this guy is not top tier player his mental is top tier. If his team can have better top then his team should get better top. But they choose him for some reason and they won summer split, made it to the world.
he is top tier player though. like he is just top 2 toplaners in the lcs no matter what way you put it and probably top 3 toplaners in the west in general. many just hated him being toxic earlier but people who know him also know that he normally isnt toxic at all. bwipo is definitely elite level player theres no doubt about it, anyone who says otherwise is either coping or delusional
31:03 "Fundamentally, the better team will still win even you get fkd by laneswaps" Meanwhile watching jankos' pov getting tilted at game 4 from laneswaps
The draft absolutely fucked them tbh. Wtf is tf gonna do in a lane swap? They also had no way to stall the game long enough for azir to scale. Also LR wasreally just better team
Hey y'all, I'm a casual player (really really casual) and I'm trying to understand the idea behind lane swap and why do pros do it? Could someone please explain to me?
main thing is it changes the matchup for bot lane and in pro your bot lane needs to be winning or even or your very likely to lose when lane swaps happen outside of the start in the game its due to if they want to play for grubs (has 2 bot laners are more likely better then 1 top laner and the top might even be able to TP to the grubs) and in some team comps you need grubs for side lane power or to stop the enemy from getting them these are the main ones there are smaller ones that are more about keeping lane stats better (stopping freezes or just giving more minions to one champ)
it also helps a lot when enemy top is a carry or needs gold and exp to play the game like the tf in game 3, if you can set them behind with a lane swap they're basically useless
34:25 Baus will start long sword and refillable no matter what so I think you should do a different iteration of lane swap according to that, like with long sword you can easily kill enemy top laner under his tower right? You have a better kill pressure, play accordingly.
31:08 I disagree. FLY literally Stomped Gen.G (the better team) in their game 1 quarter finals at worlds when they out macroed them during lane swaps early game.
28:30 i think going longsword/ruby is fine has the "gold lead" you get is about evening it in value latter has he will be harder to keep below in power has he is not using the gold on a non core item but vs a great top team it might be punished but i think its fine in the level they have played against so far
Welcome, Assistant Coach Bwipo!
If they can afford him. It’d be awesome if Flyquest gave him a way to help out part time. I’d imagine they and him want to focus on winning the NA LCS though.
@@sharpieman2035bwipo enjoys talking about league / coaching in his free time actually. I would not be surprised if he makes guest appearances. Also literally nemesis and rekkles are his past teammates, that he has a lot of respect for.
@@mysticaldevotion863 He loves bause aswell
I mean Bwipo surely moves into a coaching role after his pro career is done
But hopefully that isn't for a while yet!
Love watching him play!
nothing guarantees anything, at the end of the day who gets these positions is based on nepotism, it's not as much personal ability like in asia
he lowkey talks like heimerdinger's grandpa
@@SkiesWRLD asia has a greater issue with nepotism
@@SkiesWRLDtalking about nepotism while LG and Samsung exists in Korea is funny
Gaining so much respect for Bwipo after all these videos man. Loving these coaching sessions!
this is so wholesome i love it, no ego what so ever, everyone is eager to learn and a lot of mutual respect , i love this s much from the boys and bwipo is the goat honestly
"Baus, If you tp back and get dove again, you are griefing" oh boy 💀
he also did say sion is a dying champion so... In any case he then says "or not you but whoever made that decision". Sion seems to be like the other group of champs, next to jax / kisante and everything else, where he is not quite undivable but a middle ground
These are fun. I get it can alienate players and that's bad business for riot but I don't play league so I do enjoy them a lot
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Thing is baus did that with galio which is no where the same lol
I have never seen this side of pro play going extremely in depth down to the exp of 3 melee creeps to deny level 2 then 4 man dive to be ahead in the next round of camps. Like if I saw a 4 man gank at the beginning of the game, I would think they're trolling. I would've never seen this side of the pro scene if it wasn't for you guys and it has made me excited to see more content from you guys. Congrats on the big W at NNO and LET'S GO LOS RATONES!
LS talks about or used to talk about this a lot, but ppl hate him cuz of the way he expresses himself. But he's someone u can watch (he has vods reviews and coaching vids).
@@katarinanokami2718 And silvers kept saying that a pro that dedicates its life to it can't do these things when they are somewhat repetitive
@@katarinanokami2718 I used to watch LS a ton, and yeah, he has a lot of great content about in depth league, especially around wave management, itemization, etc., but I also felt like his ideas were kinda incomplete, he has a very passive view of the game, and doesn't really talk about proactive plays.
Love watching caedrel and LR because it feels like they talk a lot more about how to set up and make plays on the map, using tempo and coordination to get advantages in the game.
@@thecosmicmyth2164 i think this is just simply because most pros generally know these things like making proactive plays and the use of tempo. Clearly not all pros as seen with in the west lol but still. So i think he decides to go over the things that pros generally dont think about in order to even create the smallest advantage. However what he goes over is generally going to only help a top tier of players but not us average viewers, which makes me wish he wouldve taken that opportunity to be a coach in t1.
@@thecosmicmyth2164 Im sorry but that seems like u don't understand how LS views the game so I'll try to explain to the best of my abilities.
LR and Bwipo see it as trying to force plays so they can get advantage actively, yes that's true.
LS instead is mostly about seeing the game as a chess game, so doing enough "right things" to the point where u FORCE the enemy to make a mistake, and at that point u punish them. Both are aggressive, but LS approach is more methodical and more about controlling ur opponent (which btw is a thing that he does with card games too apparently lmao) so it just comes off as passive but it's still a form of aggression.
Coach Bwipo bringing W I D E knowledge
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Its so nice to see full knowledge Bwipo on display after the minor scuff with EU before worlds, bro knows the game and its so fucking cool to see insight into this level of play
50:00 bausy with the based take
Bwipo coaching Baus: you should give more vocal to the team
Baus leant a lot* xD
So technically, the camille dive would have worked out if we had Rekkles as support. xdd noted
Baus with the inspiration at 50:00
Goat Bwipo helping out small creators, how wholesome!
After Bwipo coached Bauss, I hoped he would do a session with the whole team. He would be an insane assistant coach for Los Ratones, probably top 4 LEC team.
top 2
@@clintfischer1057 Top 2? You are delusional buddy, theyre losing early games to random mixed up gm-chall teams. They'd be bottom 4 and there is no way they could get higher.
4:43 “If you do a lane swap without planning to dive the enemy top, you’re kinda griefing your top laner.”
Wish I could see Baus’ face when Bwipo said this 😂
I wonder if it'd be possible to also do a coaching session with a G2 member. They were also a team that were very on top of the lane swap resurgence; it'd be cool to hear their philosophy on the situation and for them to share their thoughts on this playstyle at the pro level. A brokenblade or caps coaching session would be so fire.
he didn't lie when he say, whatever you call me for help, i'm there, well done Bwipo.
I love Bwipo so much its awesome to see him helping LR out
The only player from my country is the most based one
its so good to see the difference of high pro play and the huge thought process that is behind it, gj bwipo:)
Whoever told me Bwipo and Baus are in the same league needs to watch this video. THIS is what a Worlds level top laner's experience looks like, he is so well-informed, and even if he speaks at ADHD speeds, he is so well-spoken.
Yeah people need to realize that there are so many levels to this. From lower leagues to top-level ones to worlds participants to deep runs and finalists, so much goes into leveling up their game. That's why it's so funny to me when people overly focus on simple things like mechanic misplay, draft or soloqueue as if that's what's going on during vod review. You can see as much going on here with the way Bwipo explains stuff to LR, and even he has to smile as he explains some concepts just out of appreciation for the level of theory that goes into them.
Sure i wont say baus is at wrlds lvl, he is not. But i also can guarantee you that other top laners at wrld level also dont have this lvl of knowledge or fluency of speech. And if there is surely is not even a handfull.
As a Fnatic fan that just seen 2 years of 0 macro... GOD, HOW MUCH I MISS BWIPO!!!
Hang in there, Fnatic fan; Mikyx bouta deliver top notch macro in 2025! (As an NA fan, I'm rooting for KOI tho 😉 GLHF)
The critiques, the advice, the entire thing. WINNING!!! 🏆
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This is why I think banning lane swaps isn't just lame, it would be bad for competition. There's a clear evolution of gameplay and macro attention that has come from lane swaps being meta. Yes, it's complicated and sometimes weird to watch, but it feels like the teams are playing chess now rather than checkers
who's talking about banning laneswaps lmfao
@@nxvh9062 The NNO officials were considering it, it went to a vote but fortunately the vote did not pass
@@nxvh9062 Riot has patched laneswaps twice and NNO considered banning laneswap, in both cases because they're hard to understand for viewers. So, quite a few people.
@@nxvh9062 Some of the NNO tournament players asked for lane swaps to be banned for the tournament after playing against it in scrims. Dunno if that's what OP was referring to tho. Riot also did stuff to plates in top lane to discourage swaps, which is not banning, but still
Yeah I'm actually surprised they took so long to happen. There is nothing that forces ADC & Supp to go botlane and Toplaners to go top, Riot just said so
bwipo might be a mad scientist
This has been some of the best league content in so long. Please keep it up!!
Positional coach of every position bwipo! Also good call on crownie trolling on the chompers play. Flash q caedrel! Lmfao
I am not intelligent enough to understand any of this xD
It's ok, LR also had no idea that swaps and tower dives are supposed to be done only when the ADC+ Sup combo can safely and quickly kill under tower and the enemy top isn't very hard to dive. They were just doing it every game and wondering why it was always a horror show.
You are, you just need a better visualization/more experience. Also bwipo yapping too fast and showing things on part of the map that is covered didn't help.
I think a part of it because these knowledges are quite advanced and you need basic level of macro/map play first to understand what they are talking about. As a gm supp main and really comfortable with basic macros up to semi-pro level, I still got lost at many points and have to replay to understand what Bwipo is delivering. I spent like 2 hrs for this 56mins vod to learn lol. Anddd… what he said it’s just lane swapping 101, surface level xdd. Pros are beasts I tell you, feels like a 10 man chess game, not lol anymore.
Don't worry this is only useful for full party. Doesn't apply to soloq even at challenger because swapping at this level require 5 players commitment with good execution which isn't possible in soloq regardless of how good you are individually.
It's mostly Bwipo explaining very fast and talking to people who have the basis of theory down. I'm sure if someone with the intention of teaching a broader audience were to explain it more patiently you'd understand fine.
Thanks for this, I love learning about macro and the vods + things like this makes it entertaining
@16:05 Nem hit the breaks.
This guy is pretty smart, he should try to go in pro-team
Perfect counter for tower dives is Grey kayn e is busted.
Bwipo talks at a level of the game that i aspire to be, there will probably never be a lane swap in Solo queue but i love the mechanics around it. More Bwipo
love this team!
Love the content caedrel
I love how they're sharing all this for free, even tho its irrelevant for ur average soloQ games
I think this dude Bwipo really loves League of Legends
That proxying right behind tower is diabolical 😂😂😂
Take a drink every time bwipo says “fuck it”
Awesome to hear BWIPO love seeing how much knowledge there is in this game. I can only imagine the conversation between Chovy and GenG or Faker and T1. Los Ratones coming for worlds.
Ite so funny how tactical analysis just has the faker clause where shit unconditionally applies unless your facing faker or whatever... I dont really understand the game
Edit: This was a joke... please I don't want to read another explanation on fakering it, although you guys really are the Fakers of explaining Stuff
LMAOO I love that “faker clause” w comment
They don't mean it ina. Literal sense but I see what you're saying
They don't mean it literally.
to say "unless you are vs faker" just means that it's true unless you get mega outplayed.
It doesn't mean literally faker, he is back to the level of mortals, just his name is forever synonymous with perfect play.
after his world peformance and now this. Mad respect to Bwipo!
I just got into watching pro league and it surprises me how “new” this concept of pro scrims and gameplay review being public is. I guess before this knowledge was much more private?
I mean it's alot to share even if you're a middling/bottom tier team why would you want to openly show your opponents all your findings and everything you've practiced. Unless you're just doing it for content money like LR theres only disadvantagea from this
Meanwhile LS thinks that the whole pro scene is bunch of idiots. Then we see caedrel being much more knowledgeable than LS about macro and seeing the whole picture instead of focusing on things in isolation. And then we see that these things goes even deeper in pro teams.
But it's everywhere, politics, fitness, sports, science. People who don't know any better praise individual amateur commentators who are out of their depth.
I first (and last) video I saw of LS was how roasting an world champ player for buying too many wards. I was like: "who does he think that he is", looked up his rank (peak master?) and never watched anything ever again. I maybe saw 10 sec of a co-stream where he immediately stated the jungler was doing the wrong clear path.
@@jeroenvermunt3372That pro players was buying too many unnecessary wards that provides little values tho. Even caedrel agree in that regards. Obviously pink is still very important but that player did very little with those pinks which not only swing gold back to enemy team but also cripple his own econ so he could barely afford an item. Being master doesn’t invalidate his opinion. Plenty of world class coaches barely even plays the game or high on ladder. He is overbearing with his takes and is extreme often tho.
There's a lot of fradulent coaches in the scene (back then, or now too) so making it public might expose them
Bwipo is one of the smartest minds of league. People will not understand it because he is not korean/chinese, but he definitely is a lot smarter at the game than basically all coaches except a few (like tom or some others)
you know that he learned this because he has a coach in flyquest that made them learn lane swaps at a high level in worlds right?
@@robenriven he said in this video how he learned some of the stuff himself by watching his own vods. obviously nukeduck is a great coach as well but nukeduck is also a former pro player
@@robenriven you know that i was talking generally, like not just lane swaps? And even if someone makes you learn something, does that mean you are not smart? what stupid logic is that?
Wish more teams would do this, it’s always nice to see this side of pro LOL
Awesome vid! Volume is a little inconsistent with Bwipo being as loud as Godzilla while Caedrel is silent like a rat, so some audio compression would be nice :).
5:14 WAIT Bwipo is a based Clash Royale enjoyer!?
Good shit by Bwipo. Here's what I wish he told the team at the end:
One thing that I wish you guys understood better was the relationship between gold allocation and win con. This is mainly highlighted in 2 reoccurring cases:
1. When Crownie is strong, you guys completely ignore him. Nobody peels for him. Nobody tries to fight with him. You take fights before he is ready. And you don't take fights when he *is* ready. You guys are such good players individually that you forget you can simply do the Season 2 CLG Doublelift strat and play the whole game off of Crownie as your win con. You'd very easily win the games where Crownie is very ahead and several items in. But you guys have been neglecting this easy win con when he's significantly ahead and not using him to end games smoothly.
2. When Baus is strong, you easily win the game. Baus *completely* takes over the map. Nobody can kill him without sending a full-on raid. And when they do, he often survives anyway. Baus turns into a macro god when he gets a lead. However, you guys completely ignore this and take kills from him early game. The easiest way for you guys to win any and all of your games is to give Baus an early lead. He will completely take over and the rest of the game will be smooth sailing minutes later.
Also, Nemisis, you are one of the best mid laners in the *world.* However, if you don't have your core items, or if you are behind where you want to be, you shut down and seem depressed and pessimistic about plays and forget that you have amazing teammates to use as chess pieces even when you're 0/3. This case is highlighted by the contrasting case: when you're 2/0. Your behavior switch is day and night. If you have a lead, you turn into a chatterbox and a leader. You have some of the best teammates in the world. Just because your champion is behind and it fucks with everything you'd like to do, you must remember that you can control your teammates' champions and use their kits to set up plays even if your own damage isn't where you'd like it to be. Be proud of your teammates. Have confidence that you can think up plays with them even if your champion isn't where you'd like it to be in a given moment. And finally, use that confidence to be as vocal as you are when you *are* ahead.
For the rest of the team, you all should be puppeteers of each other. Not micro-managing; but using your teammates for playmaking. Like in football, where a striker sees a path to a goal, using his teammates for passes and feints, tracking his opponents and out-positioning them, he sees the full play in his head that ends in him blasting the ball into the corner of the goal net. You should know by now that if you tell one of these Los Ratones players to do something, they will do it spectacularly. Even when facing against the best players in the world, they will hit their stun on time, in the right place, and get the full value out of their abilities. This is true because each one of you are like the star player of the team. You have something special. Crownie already does this play-visioning the best. But each of you can use any or all of your teammates to execute plays successfully.
I see a team that can potentially have an easy time winning every game in the LEC and a team that can win worlds.
Rat Religion !! Lessss goooo!! Where is the merch. We need that Baus merch !! 😂
5:14 Bwipo with the YGO and Clash Royale feed true gamer fr
Bwipo is such a smart coach that it won't be funny for future LR opponents when they absorve everything he has to teach. They will murder everyone.
After watching this, I am rooting for FlyQuest in 2025! I also hope that flyquest will be happy to share bwipo in the season to help out los ratones as an assistant coach!
This is the moment where Caedrel must have thought: "Shit, this coaching thing runs a few levels deeper tha I previously anticipated."
I think he just doesn't know about swaps . He is a very smart player am sure he will do fine
Swaps is still a fairly new concept and still being optimised for pro play.. It's going to take time for anyone to understand in depth enough to coach it effectively.. Don't take BWIPO as the standard level of knowledge for a Pro player.
Eh, maybe, Caedrel used to be a pro player himself. I think Bwipo as a world class player with a ton of experience is just on another level of game knowledge compared to your average LEC pro.
@DjayTriple8 new? They have around for almost a decade in proplay
@@mda7629 To be specific modern day lane swaps are still being optimised.. Prior knowledge of lane swaps is irrelevant.. In 2015 jungle camps shared xp so top laners would just double jungle and mid, adc and sp would gather to rush down tower in a side lane... The enemy team would do the exact same thing.. Every alliteration of lane swaps should be taken as a new concept because the game is completely different..
Damn, this team got so much chefs to cooking
Baus was concentrated the first 3 minutes
nah he looks and speaks like louis litt
I guess I’ve been playing a different game for 12 years
Bwipo the goat.
I dont watch competitive league really (hell i barely play lol) but im such a nerd i love this kinda thing. Stuff like los ratones is amazing for the competitive scene and i wish teams would be more willing to be nerdy and open about stuff - i understand that maybe tier 1 teams dont want to, though i think they could in some ways but t2 for any esports game doing this stuff would be so hype.
I watch val and i hope someone gets inspired by the support ratones has received!
At the end of the day esports is entertainment and this shit is so entertaining i love it. Cant wait to see caedrels coaching too!
This was some good information
Wait when did this happened?
when did this happen?
Before this video I was hoping riot will somehow ground stomp lane swaps with nerfs in a sense of like "you take less damage under turrets until level 3". It seemed to me like the strat was on par with funneling that only worked because some patch broke gold income. Seeing that it's not meta specific but a natural evolution of understanding tempo in the game at the highest level makes me appreciate it a lot more and also realize that we are like 5 years away before it can be successfully applied to soloq. Something like when freezing the waves used to be high level and now every gold top laner knows about it
bwipo unironically so funny
So Caedrel, when do you hire Bwipo as positional coach?
50:01 - BASED BAUS
BWIPO the GOAT
By the way this is more informative than 95% of what all the coaches in the European and North American region have to offer and there is no debate about this.
i understand lane swap now, this is very helpful
EU not wanting bwipo is still hilarious to me
I know many hate bwipo but even this guy is not top tier player his mental is top tier. If his team can have better top then his team should get better top. But they choose him for some reason and they won summer split, made it to the world.
he is top tier player though. like he is just top 2 toplaners in the lcs no matter what way you put it and probably top 3 toplaners in the west in general. many just hated him being toxic earlier but people who know him also know that he normally isnt toxic at all. bwipo is definitely elite level player theres no doubt about it, anyone who says otherwise is either coping or delusional
7:18 OH NAH NAH WHATS MY NAME
31:03 "Fundamentally, the better team will still win even you get fkd by laneswaps"
Meanwhile watching jankos' pov getting tilted at game 4 from laneswaps
cause RL is better team
He’s wrong? LR are just fundamentally better
The draft absolutely fucked them tbh. Wtf is tf gonna do in a lane swap? They also had no way to stall the game long enough for azir to scale. Also LR wasreally just better team
Somehow everything he says makes a lot of sense and open your mind....but I'm not gonna be able to do all of that
The title is a lie, Bwipo is not reviewing Los Ratones games with the players. He is teaching lane swaps by reviewing pro games
Baus should try anvia she can delay own wave with w and survive lvl 1 dive with egg.
Lmao I want to see an anivia proxy in the enemy base 😅
5:17 "i am 38 years old japanese homeless. i am lonely, but good..." wtf is that recommendation haha
MY SUPPORT
Assistant to the coach
at 20:45 , couldnt caedrel tank 2 more hits cuz of his w?
That's the idea.
20:25 Not me wondering what happened to my lobby????
Wide bwipo ❤
Baus doesn't buy dorands so he dies xD
gotta love bwipo
i won't ever do lane swaps in my life but damn this is peak content
Hey y'all, I'm a casual player (really really casual) and I'm trying to understand the idea behind lane swap and why do pros do it? Could someone please explain to me?
Better matchup, easier lane phase
main thing is it changes the matchup for bot lane and in pro your bot lane needs to be winning or even or your very likely to lose
when lane swaps happen outside of the start in the game its due to if they want to play for grubs (has 2 bot laners are more likely better then 1 top laner and the top might even be able to TP to the grubs) and in some team comps you need grubs for side lane power or to stop the enemy from getting them
these are the main ones there are smaller ones that are more about keeping lane stats better (stopping freezes or just giving more minions to one champ)
You can shut down the enemy top laner if it goes well too
it also helps a lot when enemy top is a carry or needs gold and exp to play the game like the tf in game 3, if you can set them behind with a lane swap they're basically useless
Tempo, the plating bounty and they utilise their powerspikes properly
34:25 Baus will start long sword and refillable no matter what so I think you should do a different iteration of lane swap according to that, like with long sword you can easily kill enemy top laner under his tower right? You have a better kill pressure, play accordingly.
Wish they could relegation qualify for Lcs would be awesome. If they were competitive, would save Lcs by itself.
00:02 does he say what's the craic brothers???
54:01 who outplayed hard?
minute 31 bwipo says early game doesnt matter the better team just wins and this is why baus can go 0/7 inn lane and win
thats my goat
Top tier content
I feel like yall need to literally practice tower dives. Literally practice 3 and 4 man diving Baussi lol
bwipoooooo
hol up what does biwpo say here 47:46
'on a frozen wave top lane'
if los ratos go to lec bwipo is 100% stealing baus spot lmao
BWIPO
31:08 I disagree. FLY literally Stomped Gen.G (the better team) in their game 1 quarter finals at worlds when they out macroed them during lane swaps early game.
28:30 i think going longsword/ruby is fine has the "gold lead" you get is about evening it in value latter has he will be harder to keep below in power has he is not using the gold on a non core item but vs a great top team it might be punished but i think its fine in the level they have played against so far
bwipo