Nexon Korea really be like: 2 more devs on MapleStory Global and SEA? Nah bro we're just gonna remove content and destroy our reputation and trust as a publisher. Because that is worth less than 2 devs. Also, please play our game more and spend more money! TY!
maybe nexon want more ppl to quit reboot and play regular but hey if want thas why not make regular a bit less p2w instead they found more way to make the games more p2w
If you checked the Investor Relations document of Nexon, It's quite easy to be found out that they are paying more attention to VR and other platforms as their focus on future. Games are not the in the top place of development now, which gave us some evidence why 'MapleStory lack developers'. For oversea servers, the development is still done in Nexon Korea. Throughout these years, Nexon Korea is taking more control of the developments of oversea contents. As the team lacks developers, the easiest way to solve this problem is to erase the differences between multiple servers. I don't actually hate oversea contents. However, I hate the attitude of the developers regarding these contents, lack of testing and deploy untested codes on live server. Some of these bugs appeared more than once. 2020: During the 'Mechanical Utopia' update, there is a serious bug '[Quest] Read Only Memory' where only ONE player can access the quest dungeon in each channel. 2020: The 'NEW' broken familiar system caused server lags, rollbacks and server crashes. 2021: The 'Moo Island' update, the game client kept crashing at a set interval of around 30 minutes and v.225 only lasted 31 hrs. 2021~2023: The 'Double Miracle Time' lag. There must be something wrong with the server-side code. Most interestingly, JMS lagged at exact the same time when GMS got DMT. 2021~2022: Reboot server lag investigation during 'Maple Live' update. 2022: Introducing 'My Home' which caused server lags, rollbacks and server crashes. 2022: During the 'Misty Island Legacy' update, there is a serious bug where Tutorials can be completed by ONE player at a time for each channel. (Throughout these years, each time an oversea content is added to the game, the server will experience some instabilities for sure.) =x= I just hope they take the development of this game as a serious thing. And hope Nexon realize what is their main job..
The answer is really easy than u thought. They are KIDS they do creative, playful and don't even fking care what they've done. If those KIDS don't like it, they just need to delete it.
I couldn’t agree more with you. Coppersan is always staying positive about the game. It’s really shocking how is he stating that as the current state of the game is not worth playing. Let that sink in…
@@miiko7859 sorry to say every gaming company is f@rked up. its about generating revenue. Playing games is all about how much you can top up. There's no such game that lets you play free easily or enjoyable anymore.
It is definetively not worth it, imagine spending hours of your life and money, to just get deleted cause that class isnt kms class, so they dont bother updating it
such shit is common for the past decade. instead of adding stuff they instead remove and cut down. played MMO's in dozens and looking back, 80% em had content, mechanic or gameplay cuts
I haven’t played MapleStory in over a decade, but they nerfed my favorite class, Buccaneer, to the ground back then and that pushed me away. It was kinda OP since we could go Super Saiyan and basically not take damage, but it was such a good tank that you always got picked for PQs.
I'm not a current player, but as of 3 years ago, it was a class that was so trash, nobody seriously played it. It does like 1/5th the damage of a mediocre class in the game. They don't balance classes for years and when they do, they overtune that class so much that it makes no sense to play any other class.
@@Chapa-pa-pa I prefer person with an above average following thinking they are going to make an impact by only complaining when in reality it's just free publicity.
Been on the way to return a few times. But every time something interesting (events) happen, there are always some bad news too. And for now. The bad news outweight the good things. The fact that you are at risk of losing your main class after 10 years. All the time invested into it.
I was thinking about playing MS, but through Steam, because all the negative reviews about Nex. Now I'm second-guessing because they're removing a whole ass class. I use to play LaTale back in the day and the company killed the game restarted the whole thing and removing everyone progess throughout the year. That killed LaTale, it never recovered from that. These companies don't think at all.
The fact that they never cared about people outside Korea was apparent for years. But with recent changes, there should be absolutely zero doubt about it. We always were just extra income. And it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Maybe ever. Oh, and let's not forget about how Nexon is completely disconnected from their fanbase since... well, I'd say, ever. Their support is infamous for all wrong reasons. And despite Nexon's focus on Korea, they still fairly recently had a fair share of their own drama. It makes me wonder how Maple Story is still somehow one of the most-played games in Korea.
I’m happy you made this video. Even if it doesn’t have a huge impact on nexons decisions, it helps when UA-camrs call them out on their BS, at least they’ll maybe think longer than 2 seconds before making a decision.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; Nexon doesn't want to commit to publishing their game in the West because of falling player numbers... But player numbers are falling because of the lack of attention the West is getting. And this also goes many layers deep, because in a world where Nexon was supporting the game properly over here, then this video would be about an exciting upcoming update instead of how it's not worth playing the game. Meaning there'd be a better chance of new user acquisition.
Their lack of commitment is bothersome to me. I love the playstyle and art of the game. But it doesn't have any spirit or life to it like back in my childhood. It's a shame cause the game was always super fun. But they don't want to invest in new players or old ones.
I will never forget last year March when Nexon litteraly gaslighted the whole community regarding the removal of 2x drops and other items from the cashshop. They said they had "overlooked" their inital dataset about how many players use 2x drop but regardless, they would continue to remove this. I personally don't care for the drop but it amazes me that they just straight up lied in their first post, then they said what really happened, and theny continued anyways. They are completely unaware of their playerbase or just dont care. This shit right here is not cool and made me back away from the game completetly.
Right, and its too many worlds not enough players anymore. everything is spreaded out honestly. as a community we should pick one world. & the reboot world is not even fun its super easy nowadays.
I do agree, maplestory is not worth playing anymore. They destroyed so many things just this past year and for what? Having my passion and main class getting deleted without any warning is one of the worst way to go, amongs the other things you did mention in this video. It´s just a matter of time until we lose BT, kanna, hayato, gollux and all other non-KMS content. Is it even worth upkeep GMS ? I´m scared for the future and right now i don´t even know if i wanna continue playing or not. /#1 Jett Lv 285 SjutaPang EU Reboot
I started playing again during covid and mostly during burning events. The game has progressed so much from what I know (2005-2009) but was quite fun with the constant dopamine from leveling and the pretty easy level 200s on a lot of different classes. I stopped playing after they cut off The Netherlands, I've felt Nexon's hard hand quite a few times back in the day, not gonna burn myself on that one again. I remember being blocked out from gMS as a European and forced to play eMS, later they made you able to play again but unable to make more accounts. Nexon America always felt like a giant coporate entity (or puppet for Nexon KR) and players had almost no way to contact Nexon or have a say in their decision-making processes. In the early days some GMs that stood up for players on the forum even got fired or removed from their positions. I quit around when cubing was introduced and the only way to cube once was spend 4 bucks. Big Bang only made it worse. A entire class getting deleted? Absolutely fucking brutal.
Unfortunately I don't see MapleStory improving unless there's a massive change in upper management. A game this old shouldn't be getting so much worse so fast. I had to quit because the changes over the last 2-3 years made it very clear that Nexon wants me to grind non-stop AND pay them money even on Reboot. Hopefully we get some competition in the 2D action MMO space to force Nexon to change.
I’m glad you made this video and I also agree with it. It really feels like Nexon doesn’t care or know what to do with their game and it shows with each new event.
Not only do they not care about their game, they actively try to hurt other games developers. Look at the dark and darker drama. Nexon is a bloodthirsty, greed filled company. They definitely don't deserve players time, and especially not their money!
Maplestory is a one-hit wonder. Each of the main versions of the game are so different from each other, they can be considered different games. In that regard, the first hit (where there were only explorer classes), is the best one. After that, though there were some ups, it kept going downhill in general.
Yup, I still remember waiting for pirate to drop in America, that was MS at its peak right around the time pirate class released I miss it. I was an ice lightning mage and had has a priest. RIP OG maple story
Im really glad to see u making a video on these subjects. People can rant all day on reddit and it will probably do nothing to help with the state of the game, but u are considered by many to be one of the biggest GMS content creators so lets hope some1 with some power to do things sees this are decides to do something.
I'm pretty scared for the future of GMS honestly, with the current state of their decision making and lack of communication, it's just a ticking time bomb. There are so many possible things on their hit list which would cause massive outrage or potential exodus of players. I really wish there was some clarification to their decision making and insight on the direction they plan on taking GMS.
Those decision-makers think >most if not all of their customers are just kids secretly swiping their parent's credit cards and think no one was influential nor powerful enough to stop them.
I quit after 15 years about 6 months ago. I do not miss the added stress. Maple served it’s time in my life and will always hold a special place full of fond memories in my heart. Do yourself a favor and quit
I log on every other month out of nostalgia but doing dailies or bosses aren’t worth it when the soul of the game is gone. I started in the Beta for GMS in Broa. The game was full of people 24/7 since it was actually Global. The game is only focused on selling you cash shop items, not making the game fun.
I played maplestory back in 2008 for a couple a years and loved it. Man i came back to try it out for nostalgia purposes a year ago and it lasted for about 3 weeks. I still watch your videos though even though i have no plans to ever return to Maple. Great reporting
While I do of course understand the fact you made this video and I do agree with most of it, especially just lack of foresight (why even introduce game breaking items?) and just general lack of care (why keep game breaking items in the game for so long?). I do want to critique a few things that you got wrong, mostly about the meso rates in GMS. 1. You said the meso from monsters is the same in GMS Reboot and KMS Reboot, but it's not. We have 6x the base meso rate (500%) where as KMS Reboot has 5x the rate (400%). 2. You are partially right that Frenzy is not 2x the rate, it is a bit over 3x the rate, so way more than you said. 3. Comparing meso crystal prices is definitely understandable, but I don't think giving extreme black mage as an example is exactly fair, as I don't think KMS Reboot has even cleared extreme black mage yet. Afaik only reg has and even if they did, it would be 0.0001% of the player base that has access to that type of crystal money. Kms makes more past nlomien and their prices are imo better, because it rewards you better for pushing further instead of making a ton of CRA/NLomien mules, but making a ton of CRA/NLomien mules is a lot easier than pushing mules further, even more so in GMS because of all the power creep we have. There is a reason a lot of GMS players don't want KMS crystal prices. Except for the meso comparison, I do agree with the video. Even if we do make more mesos, I still don't think the fairy heart should be so expensive. It's just stupid. I always wonder what is going inside Nexon, I truly feel like whoever runs it has 0 clue what the game even is about and just throws darts at a dart board to make decisions, because none of them make any sense. My biggest annoyance is honestly the cash shop. GMS probably doesn't make a ton of money, but it doesn't help that all of their cash shop updates are awful. I've seen people literally beg them to bring vac pets back so they can spent $100 ($70 with 30k reward points) and basically a monthly subscription, but they just don't. We have to wait 8 months each time for them to bring them back for some reason and when they do, they keep bringing back the old ones, despite the fact that some people would probably double dip to get the newer vac pets. It sometimes feels like they are actively trying to not make money.
Used to play from 2005-2013 or so, and I think you really convey the love and passion for this game, and the sadness that comes from seeing it underperform or potentially die from poor management and decision making on behalf of the devs. I got hooked on a lot of these f2p online server games as a kid (probably like most of us) and I think there's a pretty big trend of them dying off from poor maintenance / dev management. It's such a shame since these communities are often the most dedicated and time invested since these are all games that have held on through 10 to 15+ years and still have such strong and passionate communities, it feels like such a waste of potential to see them start to fall off. In particular, my brain jumps to GunZ the Duel (died from poor management and lack of updates), Combat Arms (rampant hackers), OSRS (not dead but feels like a lot of wasted potential), SSBM (not dead but their potential was incredibly stifled by active interference from the devs), and now it looks like Maplestory is sadly joining that list. I stopped playing ms consistently over a decade ago, but whenever I saw your videos I acknowledged that there was still an active community happy to play the game, so it's really quite sad for me to see that they're taking this route. I suppose sometimes that's just how it is, good video though.
Nexon is able to make such controversial changes time and time again because many people continue to play and spend more money on the game. For the past few years, each patch/update has been met with disappointment and complaints and there is barely any content to be hyped about. Just copy-pasted event shops and "balance". If you hear about this in the context of any other game, you'd think the game would be completely dead long ago. Nexon can enjoying taking a crap on their players over and over again because they know they're too invested to quit.
Let’s not forget that every time something disappointing occurred, those players who invested a lot told other players to shut up about it and how “nexon can do whatever they want”. So here we are. Hope everyone’s getting what they want 🤷♀️
@@cutejustice i've been complaining about the state of the game and how horrible nexon is for several years. and you're right, every single time i did i'd just get blind hate from everyone saying 'NO THE GAME IS PERFECT DON'T COMPLAIN THE GAME HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER DUDE THE GAME IS SO EPIC!!!!' and they would never bother explaining why they think the game is awesome. the game gets the laziest updates imaginable, adding progression features to reboot, removing totems and now entire classes from the game, removing alien content (among some other notorious content removals) while refusing to fix the horrendous grind that other *practically necessary for progression* content requires. anyone remember having to do pink bean prequest for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER YOU MADE? what fun that was! i won't even begin to talk about the grind to get ror4 and how unbelievably annoying and frustrating and slow and awful that was (and no, i gave up before i ever got one. couldn't be happier having done so) not to mention all of the broken event items that, without them, your character will never be optimal. pottable badges and totems with flames, yada yada yada. go fuck yourself if you didn't catch the events in time, have fun 1 shotting mobs in arcana for the next 10000 hours as cheating fmaing blaze wizards and kains fly all over the map auto looting everything on every channel. YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN!!!! THIS GAME IS PERFECT!!!!! NO ISSUES AT ALL!!! i've been on the "only come back to play whenever a new class is released" mentality for years now because i acknowledged long ago how good maplestory could be, and how frustrating and poorly managed it actually is in reality
@@Jvizzlezz 1000%! Maybe if we were more unified as a community and actually supported each other’s issues, we’d be able to aid in steering maplestory on the right direction but no. “It’s a Korean game! They can do whatever they want!!!” Glad it’s “paying” off then.. 😒
@@cutejustice my issue with maplestory is that underneath the garbage that nexon does, the base game itself has so much potential to be so good. many of the classes are so interesting and so well designed that it's genuinely hard to hate playing them, the first time i played ark when he came out i was blown away at how awesome and fun it was to go specter form and just blast away everything with evil-looking demonesque attacks. or playing illium and you max out your orb gauge or whatever that thing was, and you basically turn into god for 10 seconds and can fly all over the map and shoot homing missiles at everything. in what other games can you do things like that? the game in and of itself has so much potential to be so great, but then every change that nexon does, every update and every new shop change and premium shop nonsense they put out is always so horrifyingly bad that it's shocking the game is even alive, and (the reason why it's still alive...) how whales can justify spending 10000 dollars a month on every random character they create, dudes spamming mvp buffs every other minute of the day all the way into the wee hours of the night. it's genuinely a shame.
"Working with a 20 year old code base is probably hell" Yes it is. I work with a 30 year old code base at my job. It's horrible. But we still fix shit. We do rewrite stuff from the ground up if needed.
Game is fun but if you have any principles Nexon is one of the scummiest companies I've ever seen. Game reccomendation for new people is a hard no from me
It’s insane this is what I’ve been saying for years in hope that people speak up in the community considering that this game has the potential to be so amazing yet people only would say to me “maybe you should take a break”
I honestly think the only reason people play maplestory is because they are addicted and have no other hobbies other than playing video games. Why would the recent stuff affect Nexon's reputation when maplestory is already so severly pay to win that they just made a non pay to win server like reboot where you STILL have to buy pets(as far as i remember). Honestly Maplestory Global should just delete everything that isnt in KMS and just be a hard copy of Kms. Atleast players wont get screwed outa content that way
7:23 - 7:52 It isn't neither really crazy, nor tone deaf. Nexon has been shit for years. For half a decade the company has had horrible reputation for various scandals such as, what was going on with the rates/drop tables across multiple things and how they were lying about it. How rigged flames rolls and inner ability rolls were and would roll exclusively with other things (for example %all stat flame would roll with a jump flame). They made official notices and posts full of lies which were later discovered to be false. Which forced them to make more notices only to display how skewed their definition of "random" is. Which lead to being asked if this system has bled over to cubes and them refusing to release statements about it, hiding and lying even more. To messing with the cash shop items such as drop coupons, which were removed for being "unpopular", which of course not even a kid would believe, and was very obviously removed for balancing issues... excuse me """balancing""" issues. To watching live streams of the head dev saying that they had ideas of monetizing 5th job progression by making you pay real money/maple points to upgrade your arcane symbols, which are REQUIRED to do any damage, essentially pay walling the entirety of the 5th job and beyond content. This was thrown out there as a 'look what we DIDN'T do because we care about you', but it only went to show how the MS dev team approaches the game. Which, of course, everyone knew, but having it said in front of you by the head dev so blatantly is a whole new level of disappointing. He may as well have said 'Yes, you are the pay pigs and whales that you knew to be'. To Cash shop items and boxes dropping only your gender's + unisex clothes and never stating in the drop pool or on their site that it works this way, making players spend money for clothes they simply couldn't get because they were opening them as the 'wrong' gender. Especially the Zero class that would only get male items and couldn't get female ones. Or company scandals such as the recent suing case of Dark and Darker. The list is honestly too long to go through, and this comment need not mention them, because the point has come across already. No, Nexon isn't crazy or tone deaf. It is, in fact, the player that is crazy. It is the player that even CONSIDERS of 'returning to maple' that is insane. Nexon and their product has only been getting shittier and the people keep playing their devoid of value, meaningless game that was celebrated for becoming a x64 software, as if it's some big technological accomplishment in the year two thousand and twenty fucking two. As if not crashing during a boss and losing your rewards because their shit software could only handle the limits of 2GBs in memory shouldn't have already been the norm. Nexon throws putrid waste at you and instead of throwing it back or avoiding it, you instead swim in it. That is why Nexon and Maplestory are always gonna be getting worse, because you don't seem to drown. Your cockroach endurance against their predatory systems have it made so. And all you have to show for this endurance against the machine is """compensation""" with 15-30 min exp coupons, arcane symbols, nodes, flames and cubes that come in minuscule amounts. And which, despite making up the core of the game and can be farmed on a daily basis, are considered compensation simply because nobody wants to farm them, they just 'have to'. And some """refunds"""" for the money spent in maple points, which doesn't even account for 10% of the expenses. And """"new""" """events""" (more shitty dailies that crash the game, which you hope are simply killing level monsters to fill a bar so you don't feel like you are 'going out of your way' to do despite the fact that they are made to be new CONTENT. But of course you feel this way because the alternative is boring, time wasting, game crashing disasters like the Goo Island event) were the """rewards""" are as uninspired as ever. Some worthless rings, cosmetics such as mounts that are only used when you remember to use them before you go afk, and the aforementioned compensation rewards. Nexon expects you to play and pay for their product because despite of it all, you have continued to do so. And will, expectedly, continue to do so, for until you no longer can, which, mind you, will only be due to secondary reasons, such as life complications etc, and not because of what Nexon has done, is doing, or will be doing.
Issue number 3: While the concern of 1 character deletion, content issues and price changes in game are quite upsetting. This was VERY much foreshadowed for any western players they showed you this way in advance. That being they made MS2 and without much fuss or thought deleted the ENTIRE GAME. While also keeping your entire in game wallet - thanks for playing Nexon! Sorry to everyone who loves the game and has played from the start. Maplestory is dead everyone with a DNR tattoo on the body. RIP ~ 2005-2023 ~
ive been on again off again playing GMS since beta and I have to say I'm not touching it again if they actually remove Jett. I don't care what their reasons are, even if they're good, that's one step too far. If they don't like regional classes anymore, that's fine, but then they should just implement every class to every region, not remove them. Nexon has been slowly getting worse over time. Sometimes I wonder if it's truly just incompetence or if they're actually actively trying to kill the game over here so they can justify pulling out? Their decisions sincerely seems malicious at this point.
Removing Jett reminds me of when they took out making UAs. My main to this day that I haven’t touched in about 6 or so months is a UA Buccaneer around 248 I believe. UA classes were so cool because of the inventory/equip slot advantage and the cool cyg skill with the orb pet. Shame they’re too focused on deleting and ruining “kanna” over adding more content or classes mostly.
i really appreciate that coppersan is saying it as it is. he isn't sugar coating it or still praising nexon. I haven't seen any other Bean Brigaders speakout; not that i'm throwing shade.
Nowadays whenever I stop playing Maple for a long period of time it's not because of burnout or something of the sort, but because of Nexon making their usual awful changes. But I doubt that it's gonna change. The big spenders who haven't stopped giving Nexon money all this time aren't going to stop now. And why should Nexon change their ways if they're still making good profit.
Luna server is dying, meso is more precious than ever been and suddenly the changes are to adjust for economy. Total bs, its almost 50k maple points youd need to get the 4b for heart if you were to meso market the funds for it. More and more veterans are quitting and the game is ultra hostile to any new players if they even though about catching up. I came back couple months back being decently geared from my old days and its still a struggle. Met tons of new people that play for month or two, realise the next step in progresion is to drop 1k euro's worth of money on new equips and suddently they are gone. Ngl reboot feels more rewarding to play without spending than Regular when light spending. The spawn boost removal is one of key mid to late game factors imho why its going so sideways. Noone will grind without spawn boost. Reliance on legacy items and fz sellers is big hinderance. Im just waiting for announcement where half of Luna channels get shut off to ''save server resources'' and either leave the server rotting or delete it altogether. NewAge update has some massive shoes to fill.
full hackers... bots afk hitting all the mapas of lvl 245 for up, none ban to this ... bugs , crashs, pesim ideas in changes recently ... a bored event of aniversity only for mules buff lvls? ironic and tipic .. no? the live of the gms how erzabel and other ... ideas poors , poor gameplay, nonsense responses, this game has become too low level in everything, from its poor gameguard to company nexon, managers, technicians, advisors etc etc. technically the game nowadays is just that the user spends his money for meaningless things in a losing game the last event yeti and pb a disaster in calcules , game and players in action ... maplestory is dying? yes and a long time ago .. years ! add too to whales doing money ilegal in this game , mafias in guilds where all the maps of training They are restricted based on kissers, the nonsense reporting system etc etc etc happy mapping..... $$$$
Jett was my main... and now shes getting removed, I literally think about it every single day... Its not a happy time at all for me, all that time and work for my speedy, dodgy Jett... Gone.
@@maka3230 And unfortunately the majority of the whales are in Korea, where they have a cult-like loyalty to Nexon and KMS actually gets a bit of service. There’s no hope for Maplestory globally, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they make an end of service announcement within the next ten years. (For global, not korea)
Will this be one of the signs that a game is moving towards the end of it's cycle? it always starts with removal of some content, inflating the item prices.. and slowly providing less and less update, only maintenance update.. and ultimately, BOOM, an announcement that it's exiting the region.. basically what happens to many many mobile app games that launched and didn't seem to make it.
Idk why people would play this garbage anymore. It's unrecognizable in it's current state. Even going to PreBb servers, I just don't think I have the desire to grind mushroom game anymore. It was fun while it lasted, but such a game can't thrive anymore in the current gaming landscape. They need to gate gameplay behind Stat walls for whales to keep paying. Yes, it was kind of always like this, but mmo's and games in general have come so far why would anybody touch this game aside from nostalgia.
@@mikeeps1788 if you've ever played a pserver you'd know playing by yourself is only fun for a day or two. Maple is doomed, it's gameplay is so simple it'd be better served as an idle game but yet they make so many different avenues you have to farm weekly, it just feels like a chore, and it has always been a chore. All MMO's are, that's why you play the ones that respect your time.
@@Xhalonick ngl, out of all the complaints the game deserve to get, treating it as a simple single player game is definitely something only someone that never got pass cra would say. once you join a guild and actively take part in the community instead of waiting for it, you'll see theres so much social aspect that is offered not necessarily by the game itself but through the game as a platform. not to mention the party bossing offers alot of mechanics to understand and progress through
in short no, it's not worth playing. i started playing after the totem was removed and was astonished that how could people even grind without totem in maps like esfera? totally limited to only certain grindable maps.
Doesnt matter what they do with the game if it has pretty pixels and whales willing to drop thousands of dollars on the game. Would love to see them rebuild the game from the ground up, but Im worried that could be the final stake in the heart, because chances are theyd completely butcher it
Stopped playing all Nexon games when they murdered my decade of playing Combat Arms progress. If any class would make me try Maple again, it wouldve been Jett, so jokes on nexon.
They actually said why they increased prices on meso shops in the patchnotes: " Developer Comment: The Meso Shop was created to allow players to conveniently purchase items that are hard to obtain or items needed for enhancement. As it makes the process much easier, the prices of the items have been set with consideration to the prices for each world, currency acquisition difficulty etc, so that it wouldn’t have a large impact to the player experience and on the overall market value of similar items that have been distributed. Please understand that there will be differences from the previous Meso Shop prices, and we promise to make any future decisions to the shop will be made appropriately based on player purchase history and feedback. " So they pretty much think: "These items are BiS and you have too much meso/weekly income, so it shouldn't be an issue for your to buy them." While I do agree with that statement if we apply it to old long term players with multiples of bossing mules to profit from, new players do suffer from such changes.
aww hell naw, reg server crystal prices are way lower than reboot and they say we have more weekly income, not everyone can afford frenzy service or use auction house to earn as much as 300 mill. that's just telling the players that early progression in reg server is non-existent and move to reboot which isnt a good idea considering how much players are on reboot that they gotta actually reboot the server when there is a massive update or event that crowds the server that its not really fun anymore to even log into the server with that much people.
I think the point being made was; there wasn't enough of a boost in GMS for the prices in these shops to double, and why now instead of prior to them removing totems? They're adding content that pushes extra meso into the economy but then raising prices because of something their adding? Might aswell not add the content and keep shop prices consistent with KMS since they supposedly want us to go in that direction.
There is another meso shop available in a month during Saviour, so drastic price increases at current event might as well be viewed as them saying: "You will get another fairy heart in a month so because this item is so rare (appears once every 6 months) and we are giving 2 of them in such a short time span - pay."
I cannot be convinced otherwise that either one of two things is happening: either KMS is complaining too much about the experiences globally and Nexon is slowly attempting to align the content to KMS without adjusting the experience, or Nexon is attempting to slowly push players out from regional versions to convince investprs that regional operation isn't lucrative and pull a Maplestory 2. If Nexon PR stated that the removal of content is related to some game breaking bugs, then they're simply full of it, especially when content was allowed to exist for years on end. The removal of progression content like Commerci stings, but reinforces the idea of KMS alignment and can be worked around; it wasn't game breaking nor was critical for progression. The removal of a class, a core part of the game and a significant time investment for many players nails that philosophy in five times over, one of the least played classes. It would be talked avout more uf the class was game breaking. It sets everything that isn't KMS on the chopping block, from Beast Tamer to Hayato and Kanna, to all Sengokou content, Akechi and Princess No (and her BiS sub weapons), to Gollux and Maple Tour. It also instills uncertainty in all other classes, if Nexon is willing to gut days, months, or even years of investment, and who knows how many dollars with that, for whatever purpose. Nothing is safe within the game. Nexon doesn't care about you if you're not playing KMS.
I’m really dissatisfied with how everything has been handled for the last few patches. I’m still going to play the game, but I’m not going to spend any money on it, and I sure as heck wouldn’t recommend it to a friend…
I'm a dev so just want to explain a few things here: Its extremely common that a system is built on a set of tools, the system ages, then those tools become old and outdated compared to modern standards. Ok so just "update it" right? A task like that is *extremely* complicated. The reason being is that changing one thing often breaks another, fixing that thing changes the next. You need to translate one thing to another, some old library functionality might not be supported in new libraries, now you have to build something from scratch, oh wait now that doesn't work for this part etc. Technology evolves so fast that to keep up means to keep tearing down and rebuilding. Obviously thats not economical, so companies just keep building using the original tools. Overtime you basically get whats happening here. Issues that were "fine" in the past snowball, a system becomes so convoluted and spaghetti-like it would cost an enormous amount of resources that again, its not worth spending. To them, Jett was not a popular enough of a class. Its all business. Its not in their benefit to dedicate resources that affects a very small minority of playerbase. I know you're not familiar with these things but it would definitely take more than just "1-2 devs" to overhaul a system like this, all the while they are still continuously piling more shit on top with new updates. Personally, even if they paid me, I would not want to deal with that shit because its miserable trying to update legacy systems. Why should I clean old shit up for Nexon I when I can get a job using modern tools and build modern things? So devs rather look elsewhere, meaning, its likely that its tough to find good devs that are willing to cleanup a 20yr old pile of shit codebase. Again, its all business. Yes I agree, of course theres mis-management, greed, corruption, etc. No doubt. But at the end of the day, even omitting all of that, I can absolutely understand why they dont want to commit resources to it. Devs are expensive afterall. Every dollar they spend they want to maximize the return. It sounds greedy but it also is what keeps this game alive. I hope people can try and understand the situation from a business side of things. Its sad, dont get me wrong, but as someone whos in the industry its simply the reality that we have to accept and hope that in the future lessons from past mistakes can prevent these sorts of things from happening. I love this game man, I hope it lasts 🙏
Totally agree, but I really wonder if stuff is outdated because it wasn't maintained properly. Other classes don't have the same issues Jett had sometimes
Kanna and Hayato had complete revamps during the Sengoku update and were updated into their modern forms which we know them for. They were completely built from the ground up with modern tools. Zen? Yes legacy + old and buggy but it was replaced one-to-one with Mo Xuan in CMS/TMS. Really no excuses for the Jett situation there
i havent played maple since last november and every time i get an itch to play again they pull some really stupid decision that makes me not want to waste my time lol. and i dont even play a jett but it makes me cautious about playing any other job.
As a kid I use to play MapleStory on and off from 2008-2011, felt nostalgic and decided to look it up again. Everything eventually has to come to an end, but I'm surprised a game this old is still around.
Removing class is too much. Reboot not even come to Maplesea. To say, this the only PC game I playing. I miss those days, when we can train drake at low lv18... character level versus monsters level limit is worst thing that happens... many want grind faster at higher level maps but Nexon limited this .
Agree fully, and it gets even worse when you look at the perspective of a new player, you're just missing so much power and its so much harder to progress when compared to older players. No badge than can be starforced, no perma BIS totems, no buffed spawn rate to level faster, no gollux equips early on due to the nerfs, no lab legion blocks and the list goes on and on. Every time these changes have happened I've heard people say that it doesn't matter in the end, its just a 4% stat difference or whatever but when you look at the big picture the changes stack up and make the playing field really unfair.
I have loved maplestory for almost a decade now, I take breaks pretty often but always returned from time to time but honestly this might be the end for me, the folks in charge seem to hate the global audience and have squandered what little trust they earned with the few positive changes in recent years.
MapleSea is a hell game. Lost 60% game experiences compared to other server (familiar card, totem slots, some boss items, reboot and etc). We are not allowed to change server to Maple Global UNLESS using VPN, which has risk of getting account ban. Devs be like: nah, they are the same, you players are blind ehe.
1) They wouldn't want to diversify their current player population from regular/reboot to OSMS. 2) They are afraid of failing the OSMS , and players wouldn't go back to regular/reboot. 3) They will probably just wait until the player population from regular/reboot decline greatly , only they will release OSMS . just my copium speculation.
ive been playing the game for about 3 years now and when i first started playing i would always get annoyed about content removal but ive literally gotten to the point where i just dont think theres a reason to even try and get mad because nexon clearly doesnt care at all what there players in gms think or want they just want the game to be more and more like kms even tho they STILL release new region exclusive content to us and other regions constantly. im literally only still playing because im so far in that the changes honestly dont hurt me that much, it only hurts the new players which is why i literally never recommend the game to anyone thats interested in the game that sees me playing it so much which sucks because i would love to play the game with more people i know and have the game get bigger but i know that as the game is and with the new player experience constantly getting worse and worse, i would be doing anyone that askes me how the game is and if they should play a disservice recommending the game to them
You'd think this sort of BSery would also give the investors a reason for concern because just removing content like that is an unequivocal failure and when the investors get antsy, that usually means the executives will at least order for a stopgap if not just straight up putting a stop to whatever gets the investors upset.
I remembered a few years back, the Mesos shop for MSEA pricing was much higher than the other servers due to players being "too efficient". It was quite ridiculous but over the years, it reduced a bit (some item went from 3x the price to 2x) but it is still much more expensive than KMS.
I was never a fan of Jett's game play, but it's still extremely messed up that they're deleting the class and anyone who mained Jett is now forced to play a different class. I quit the game back in Summer 2020 when they completely flubbed the Double Miracle Time event for Reboot. When they made that special DMT event for Reboot to compensate for the screw up along with telling us that they "Optimized the code" for better performance and still managed to screw it up laid the final nail in the coffin for me. I only came back a few months ago to play Neo Tokyo as I was waiting nearly a decade for them to bring it back and a way to obtain Iruvata as a familiar and after going through the story and getting my familiar, I felt a sense of true freedom from the game. Seeing that the game that I had a lot of fun playing in grade school through college go horribly downhill over the years is sad, but it's to be expected from such a company like Nexon.
Wow The algorithm must have just decided I needed some Maplestory in my life cause I genuinely wasn't expecting an MS video on my timeline. I stopped playing around a decade ago, but it's really cool seeing people still dedicated to it! Even if things don't look that good right now.
Used to play MS every day after school back in the day, for a couple years. Was a lot of fun back then, but I tried a private server a few years ago and it just wasn't the same because my tastes have changed over the years. I still dabble on a WoW classic private server though on a regular basis but would never pay for it.
Why don't they just increase the spawn rate on maps across the board to make up for the loss of kanna's spawn rate skill and the spawn rate increase item. Think about it. It already takes an unrealistic amount of time to level up as you get closer to the endgame. It literally only helps your game by making spawns faster across the board. There's zero logic and planning going on by Nexon. None of their decisions have made any sense. Making it take a couple of hours to level up in the late game is fine. It's a bit too much for my tastes, but it's not terrible. Spending like 100 hours to get a single level is absolutely stupid.
I think the toughest part of it all, is our voices not being heard. There's always a higher table that companies will ONLY listen to and we the general public are always ignored. It's disheartening to hear about Jett, my Broa main for LIFE.
As an late/endgame player, here's how majority of the active player base sees the game right now: - 0 communication, literally none - GMS Community managers being very unprofessional on several different occasions past few months; joining private discords to ban threaten individuals + questionable comments on platforms like Reddit - GMS getting watered down versions of updates compared to every other regions; with often times entire events or updates being nerf or removed/never coming to begin with - Game breaking bugs such as cash shop crashing players on the daily not even being addressed let alone any attempts at being fixed - Constant GMS exclusive nerfs/content removals such as transpose flames and just recently Jett removal - Overall content becoming more boring (new recent bosses/content only catered to handful of players and is artificially time gated, with a slower pace of new content generation too) - GMS exclusive balancing being ignored; state of Kanna, state of familiars, state of any GMS exclusive content in general, absolutely nothing to even address the matter let alone make any attempts at changes or even listen to community feedback Worst time to ever play GMS right now, really is sad seeing the current state of the game
Can we also address that while they are deleting multiple GMS exclusive content yet adding GMS cubes in exchange for Red and Black cubes like everyone else. Why did we make this change if we are deleting exclusive content...
Everyone, please just... quit. Like straight up stop playing and move on. You're only hurting yourselves by continuing to play this. I'm just here because I want to support coppersan. Thanks for keeping it real. 🤞🏽
But sunk cost fallacy. We've spent thousands of hours (and sometimes thousands of dollars) in this game. It's kinda hard to just quit after all that. Not saying it would be the wrong choice tho. Liberating a genesis weapon is cool, but truly liberating yourself from the game by quitting is better
Unfortunately, I quit purely because of the stuff Nexon pulls. Love the game, just wish it was in better hands. And I refuse to come back unless it has real support/commitment from Nexon.
Just wanted to thank you for the videos man! I quit back when the totem cheating scandal broke a while back, it's just too obvious from everything nexon does anymore that they don't care how their changes effect gms, or reboot at ALL
Well... Maplestory 2? A very well made game with so much potential that had his progression systems and end game content so lacking that people got bored of it 3 days into playing, was it fixed? No the entire game was Shift + deleted... How many people spent money on that game or bought one of the 3 versions in steam for extra goodies? It should be illegal tbh but that's another conversation. I believe maplestory global is only alive because of content creators like you that keep people interested in the game, and since there weren't any for ms2 it instantly died, as this one would without the extremely fun content creators it has on youtube, so until Nexon moves are so bad that they make you, daboki and other people quit, the game will be kept alive by the media machine.
But that was mainly because Korea actually stopped updating that game, go check the korean version is empty, they got like 3 extra stuff since gms2 closed
Excellent video. hopefully nexon sees this and takes some kind of interest. I love this game and would love even more to see what it could be if nexon actually gave half a care.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOPPING BACK ON AND GOT OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THE PROFESSIONS THEY HAVE OUT NOW Didn't feel like retyping in lower caps lmao my bad
I started playing Maplestory before the release of Ludibrium and Orbis. It sucks to see the game change in such drastic ways, not even really talking about the ones listed in this video. I honestly can't touch the original anymore. I play MapleRoyals now and it's FAR more rewarding and fun.
Hi Copper, been a long time fan of yours and am glad you finally got back to 100k like the good old days. Although i don't watch you on twich anymore, still love your video content that you put out as it reminds me of the good times. Cheers to you and your wife!
i REALLY dont care abt the game becaming a 1:1 KMS copy, for real, non-kms content are allways glitchy and broken, and i never do them, even gollux and commerci i think are boring BUT, this pathetic approach of removing things just to not have 1 or 2 devs working on the game is outrageous, for real, nexon aint that big of a company, they are not indie devs, of course, but i think thats the problem, they think they are EA UBISOFT or BLIZZARD, but they dont understand that those "little mistakes" are way too big for a company that is NOT THAT BIG idk man, i love maplestory, is prob my fav multiplayer game of all time... i enjoy playing it even with this trash state, but i would enjoy it a lot more if it wast this hard to keep liking it
Hi Coppersan, You got me into Maple last August, and when I hit 260 in January amidst the cube/SF changes and totem fallout, I had "passed" your progress and started watching "sweatier" creators like Matt and Sacrix among others. I soon quit cold turkey, feeling terrible about how much time I'd invested into a game that treats its players and breeds resentment like Nexon, with a vocal community to match.. I see you're 261 now, and I reinstalled and have 2 daily stamps on my Momentree event now. I hope to learn from your approach to finding enjoyment in a game and community bent on obfuscated progression and development, community outrage and frustration, and non-transparent creators and communications 🙏 Thanks Ronald 💛
I have played maple on and off for around 15 years now. I decided to spend a bit more time on this game during covid and managed to reach 268, full arcane, 403 SF, and 51K stats. I like progression and maple's progression is simple and easy to understand. These changes impact the core of progression. Why would I play a game that I have no confidence on? There are so many good games coming out this year. It is time for me to try something else.
just literally stop making region exclusive classes/content. KMS needs to add all content to their region, make it compatible with them and then when its sent out to other regions nothing breaks? hopeful thinking but i think its a good first step
so glad i quit in the beginning of the year. I just see GMS going down hill from here... KMS isnt doing so well either from Kang WonG ki saying those stuff to the players. So yea. GMS is just going down in my opinion. Sad to see such a wonderful game going downhill cause of the decision the company made.
Seems like the KMS head guy has no passion for the game at all. Really sad. It's refreshing to have a game that you know the devs and top people are passionate about and it creates a much more enjoyable experience for everyone.
my guess is the meso shop got doubled purely because the value of mesos in the meso market is a lot lower in GMS compared to KMS. And then reboot just gets shafted in the crossfire. It heavily sounds like there is a huge disconnect between the GMS team and the KMS team due to lack of or problems with communication between the two.
they are trying to make gms whalestory thats why then when the whales dont produce enough they give this message "it comes with a heavy heart after all these years we have to shut maplestorys doors to the west and the rest of the world thankyou all for mapling" what a fucking joke im so glad i went to private servers
It's just a cash cow game for the company at this moment. Botters are everywhere, kanna was nerfed because of it, totems was removed because it's allowing players to progress faster than nexon can update their game. At this point, even Ragnarok Online Mobile updates faster than Maple. Sad state, players are getting old with more life commitments. No new players are being attracted at this point. It's just about waiting for the inevitable to happen where GMS and MapleSEA just shuts down after making enough money to pay their investors back.
I remember playing maplestory in the early days, I loved it so much. I even played with coppersan, well not played played but I used to see him around a lot back then. Seeing the game go in this direction is heartbreaking ;-;
Doesn't matter, people can't wait to give nexon 80€ for a Pet (Vac) that should exist as a quality of life feature. And pay a monthly 14€ Subscription to keep the Pet alive. At the same time we have "events" that give us mesos for real money, so they can increase the prices of desired ingame items. People are eating it up, Im sorry but the community doesn't deserve better.
That lawsuit is justified though. Nexon is not saying g they own game assets they are saying they own the complete picture. Just like artists don't own colors but they do end result nexons claim is that iron mace stole overall not the individual assets.
@@LemonSoulz The idea of Dark and darker comes from a certain mod, so they can't even say they own the complete picture. It's a bullshit claim they are making. Nexon truly truly is an evil greedy bastard company.
As an old old player returning in late 2022 I am feeling like I got back to back to back sucker punched by Nexon. I have soo much love for this game but its almost like they are treating it like some bastard child they wish would just go away for gms.
While I don't currently play Maplestory, it has been a huge part of my life growing up. Seeing how much Nexon disregards player concerns and actively makes the game worse really hurts to see. I've even been seeing community members theorizing that Nexon views GMS as a lost cause and the changes are to slowly drain it of players until they can justify shutting it down.
Though everything you said here stands, I think MapleStory has bigger problems than this in it's current core design. For example, whenever I feel drawn to play this game due to it's great art and combat, I immediately regret it. Why? Because the game is drowned in content and feature creep. There is system upon system upon system which game explains through text dumps, the quests just practically boost you to the endgame and massive amounts of older quest and content is skipped making you as a new player confused and disoriented where to go and what to do. The whole design of the game changed. Quests and monster grind don't matter until the endgame, the main point of the game is doing dailies and endgame grind and that sucks. If Nexon gave us a chance to play like in the old times when every piece of content mattered, it would be great!
Nexon Korea really be like: 2 more devs on MapleStory Global and SEA? Nah bro we're just gonna remove content and destroy our reputation and trust as a publisher.
Because that is worth less than 2 devs. Also, please play our game more and spend more money! TY!
maybe nexon want more ppl to quit reboot and play regular but hey if want thas why not make regular a bit less p2w instead they found more way to make the games more p2w
Coppersan: if it's so broken why even have it in the game.
Also coppersan: why did you just remove content that wasn't working 😮
If you checked the Investor Relations document of Nexon, It's quite easy to be found out that they are paying more attention to VR and other platforms as their focus on future. Games are not the in the top place of development now, which gave us some evidence why 'MapleStory lack developers'.
For oversea servers, the development is still done in Nexon Korea. Throughout these years, Nexon Korea is taking more control of the developments of oversea contents. As the team lacks developers, the easiest way to solve this problem is to erase the differences between multiple servers.
I don't actually hate oversea contents. However, I hate the attitude of the developers regarding these contents, lack of testing and deploy untested codes on live server. Some of these bugs appeared more than once.
2020: During the 'Mechanical Utopia' update, there is a serious bug '[Quest] Read Only Memory' where only ONE player can access the quest dungeon in each channel.
2020: The 'NEW' broken familiar system caused server lags, rollbacks and server crashes.
2021: The 'Moo Island' update, the game client kept crashing at a set interval of around 30 minutes and v.225 only lasted 31 hrs.
2021~2023: The 'Double Miracle Time' lag. There must be something wrong with the server-side code. Most interestingly, JMS lagged at exact the same time when GMS got DMT.
2021~2022: Reboot server lag investigation during 'Maple Live' update.
2022: Introducing 'My Home' which caused server lags, rollbacks and server crashes.
2022: During the 'Misty Island Legacy' update, there is a serious bug where Tutorials can be completed by ONE player at a time for each channel.
(Throughout these years, each time an oversea content is added to the game, the server will experience some instabilities for sure.)
=x= I just hope they take the development of this game as a serious thing. And hope Nexon realize what is their main job..
The answer is really easy than u thought. They are KIDS they do creative, playful and don't even fking care what they've done. If those KIDS don't like it, they just need to delete it.
I mean it when I feel this. Aeria Games ruined my perspective on localizations already. Nexon is probably next on that list for just bad decisions.
When the epitome of positivity in the community - Coppersan, says "The game is not worth playing", you know you fucked up as a company..
Bruh this company is notirious for f@$&ing up
I couldn’t agree more with you. Coppersan is always staying positive about the game. It’s really shocking how is he stating that as the current state of the game is not worth playing. Let that sink in…
@@miiko7859 sorry to say every gaming company is f@rked up. its about generating revenue. Playing games is all about how much you can top up. There's no such game that lets you play free easily or enjoyable anymore.
It is definetively not worth it, imagine spending hours of your life and money, to just get deleted cause that class isnt kms class, so they dont bother updating it
So true.
I've never played maple story but as someone who has played mmos for over 15 years, I cannot fathom removing an entire class... That is INSANE.
such shit is common for the past decade. instead of adding stuff they instead remove and cut down. played MMO's in dozens and looking back, 80% em had content, mechanic or gameplay cuts
I can understand removing class spells/abilities but the outright deletion of an entire class is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard
I haven’t played MapleStory in over a decade, but they nerfed my favorite class, Buccaneer, to the ground back then and that pushed me away.
It was kinda OP since we could go Super Saiyan and basically not take damage, but it was such a good tank that you always got picked for PQs.
@@FortWorthRaised hah, I mained a corsair. It was pretty hype when big bang happened and we finally became relevant. Sorry, bucco ;)
I'm not a current player, but as of 3 years ago, it was a class that was so trash, nobody seriously played it. It does like 1/5th the damage of a mediocre class in the game. They don't balance classes for years and when they do, they overtune that class so much that it makes no sense to play any other class.
Honest reporting from a respectable journalist. Thumbs up.
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Journalist? Lol
@@joelscb Jesus showing the underprivileged casual and seasonal majority the Light. Whichever you prefer.
@@Chapa-pa-pa I prefer person with an above average following thinking they are going to make an impact by only complaining when in reality it's just free publicity.
Hey I played maple back in like 2010, if I wanted to play how do I go about it? What do I download? Thank u in advanced! Stay blessed!
Been on the way to return a few times. But every time something interesting (events) happen, there are always some bad news too. And for now. The bad news outweight the good things. The fact that you are at risk of losing your main class after 10 years. All the time invested into it.
And let's not forget that you have to spend even more money on psok's to transfer all your equipment off them
Please keep it that way. Never come back. (/positive)
The infamous name Nexon, is almost synonymous to P2W shutdown in some circles already.
I feel the same way, I actually just needed to free space and deleted ms despite playing it once. Always wanted to come back, but eh 😅
I was thinking about playing MS, but through Steam, because all the negative reviews about Nex. Now I'm second-guessing because they're removing a whole ass class. I use to play LaTale back in the day and the company killed the game restarted the whole thing and removing everyone progess throughout the year. That killed LaTale, it never recovered from that. These companies don't think at all.
The fact that they never cared about people outside Korea was apparent for years. But with recent changes, there should be absolutely zero doubt about it. We always were just extra income. And it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Maybe ever.
Oh, and let's not forget about how Nexon is completely disconnected from their fanbase since... well, I'd say, ever. Their support is infamous for all wrong reasons.
And despite Nexon's focus on Korea, they still fairly recently had a fair share of their own drama. It makes me wonder how Maple Story is still somehow one of the most-played games in Korea.
Renekton mains MonkaS
they are nott your daddy
boycott nexon 😅
This goes for every Korean game. They always treat global as cash cows.
To answer that last part, Asians are kinda masochistic, especially when it comes to video games.
I’m happy you made this video. Even if it doesn’t have a huge impact on nexons decisions, it helps when UA-camrs call them out on their BS, at least they’ll maybe think longer than 2 seconds before making a decision.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; Nexon doesn't want to commit to publishing their game in the West because of falling player numbers... But player numbers are falling because of the lack of attention the West is getting.
And this also goes many layers deep, because in a world where Nexon was supporting the game properly over here, then this video would be about an exciting upcoming update instead of how it's not worth playing the game. Meaning there'd be a better chance of new user acquisition.
Their lack of commitment is bothersome to me. I love the playstyle and art of the game. But it doesn't have any spirit or life to it like back in my childhood.
It's a shame cause the game was always super fun. But they don't want to invest in new players or old ones.
I will never forget last year March when Nexon litteraly gaslighted the whole community regarding the removal of 2x drops and other items from the cashshop. They said they had "overlooked" their inital dataset about how many players use 2x drop but regardless, they would continue to remove this. I personally don't care for the drop but it amazes me that they just straight up lied in their first post, then they said what really happened, and theny continued anyways. They are completely unaware of their playerbase or just dont care. This shit right here is not cool and made me back away from the game completetly.
exactly thats why i get my fix elsewhere now fuck nexon.
Oh man, you know it’s for real when Coppersan ends his video essay with “come’on man…” 😅
I miss the original maple story, I liked the difficulty, the trading the inconvenient traveling and the character the game had that it since has lost
Right, and its too many worlds not enough players anymore. everything is spreaded out honestly. as a community we should pick one world. & the reboot world is not even fun its super easy nowadays.
@@brandon00771play reboot
You and most of the community.. the vocal minority who are against it play modern maple.
Hey I played maple back in like 2010, if I wanted to play how do I go about it? What do I download? Thank u in advanced!
@@ConorKhabibBrunson I used steam
I do agree, maplestory is not worth playing anymore. They destroyed so many things just this past year and for what? Having my passion and main class getting deleted without any warning is one of the worst way to go, amongs the other things you did mention in this video. It´s just a matter of time until we lose BT, kanna, hayato, gollux and all other non-KMS content. Is it even worth upkeep GMS ? I´m scared for the future and right now i don´t even know if i wanna continue playing or not.
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Thank you coppersan for addressing this issue. After 18 years, it is probably time for me to really consider hanging it up.
now that coppersan has a job outside of maple we finally getting his real thoughts! top tier!
ohh, I thought he converted to full time youtube
@@Shafiksz He did for a little bit, but he recently got a job outside of maple again.
@@jessinq702 that's nice, appreciate the reply
I started playing again during covid and mostly during burning events. The game has progressed so much from what I know (2005-2009) but was quite fun with the constant dopamine from leveling and the pretty easy level 200s on a lot of different classes. I stopped playing after they cut off The Netherlands, I've felt Nexon's hard hand quite a few times back in the day, not gonna burn myself on that one again. I remember being blocked out from gMS as a European and forced to play eMS, later they made you able to play again but unable to make more accounts. Nexon America always felt like a giant coporate entity (or puppet for Nexon KR) and players had almost no way to contact Nexon or have a say in their decision-making processes. In the early days some GMs that stood up for players on the forum even got fired or removed from their positions. I quit around when cubing was introduced and the only way to cube once was spend 4 bucks. Big Bang only made it worse.
A entire class getting deleted? Absolutely fucking brutal.
Unfortunately I don't see MapleStory improving unless there's a massive change in upper management. A game this old shouldn't be getting so much worse so fast. I had to quit because the changes over the last 2-3 years made it very clear that Nexon wants me to grind non-stop AND pay them money even on Reboot. Hopefully we get some competition in the 2D action MMO space to force Nexon to change.
I’m glad you made this video and I also agree with it. It really feels like Nexon doesn’t care or know what to do with their game and it shows with each new event.
Not only do they not care about their game, they actively try to hurt other games developers. Look at the dark and darker drama. Nexon is a bloodthirsty, greed filled company. They definitely don't deserve players time, and especially not their money!
Man, I’ve started playing this game the very moment Pirate class was released and it’s shame to see the direction the game is going in right now.
Maplestory is a one-hit wonder. Each of the main versions of the game are so different from each other, they can be considered different games. In that regard, the first hit (where there were only explorer classes), is the best one. After that, though there were some ups, it kept going downhill in general.
Yup, I still remember waiting for pirate to drop in America, that was MS at its peak right around the time pirate class released
I miss it. I was an ice lightning mage and had has a priest. RIP OG maple story
Im really glad to see u making a video on these subjects. People can rant all day on reddit and it will probably do nothing to help with the state of the game, but u are considered by many to be one of the biggest GMS content creators so lets hope some1 with some power to do things sees this are decides to do something.
I'm taking a big long break on this game. The end of Jett is too sad for me..... I main Jett. I think they are the best class of the game.
I'm pretty scared for the future of GMS honestly, with the current state of their decision making and lack of communication, it's just a ticking time bomb. There are so many possible things on their hit list which would cause massive outrage or potential exodus of players. I really wish there was some clarification to their decision making and insight on the direction they plan on taking GMS.
Those decision-makers think >most if not all of their customers are just kids secretly swiping their parent's credit cards and think no one was influential nor powerful enough to stop them.
I quit after 15 years about 6 months ago. I do not miss the added stress. Maple served it’s time in my life and will always hold a special place full of fond memories in my heart. Do yourself a favor and quit
I'm so glad I quit a few months ago
I log on every other month out of nostalgia but doing dailies or bosses aren’t worth it when the soul of the game is gone. I started in the Beta for GMS in Broa. The game was full of people 24/7 since it was actually Global. The game is only focused on selling you cash shop items, not making the game fun.
This situation is literally the final nail in the coffin for MapleStory as a whole, at least in my opinion.
Also I hope this encourages other content creators to speak out against nexon’s horrible ways. We must stand together and fight for better treatment!
I played maplestory back in 2008 for a couple a years and loved it. Man i came back to try it out for nostalgia purposes a year ago and it lasted for about 3 weeks. I still watch your videos though even though i have no plans to ever return to Maple. Great reporting
While I do of course understand the fact you made this video and I do agree with most of it, especially just lack of foresight (why even introduce game breaking items?) and just general lack of care (why keep game breaking items in the game for so long?). I do want to critique a few things that you got wrong, mostly about the meso rates in GMS.
1. You said the meso from monsters is the same in GMS Reboot and KMS Reboot, but it's not. We have 6x the base meso rate (500%) where as KMS Reboot has 5x the rate (400%).
2. You are partially right that Frenzy is not 2x the rate, it is a bit over 3x the rate, so way more than you said.
3. Comparing meso crystal prices is definitely understandable, but I don't think giving extreme black mage as an example is exactly fair, as I don't think KMS Reboot has even cleared extreme black mage yet. Afaik only reg has and even if they did, it would be 0.0001% of the player base that has access to that type of crystal money. Kms makes more past nlomien and their prices are imo better, because it rewards you better for pushing further instead of making a ton of CRA/NLomien mules, but making a ton of CRA/NLomien mules is a lot easier than pushing mules further, even more so in GMS because of all the power creep we have. There is a reason a lot of GMS players don't want KMS crystal prices.
Except for the meso comparison, I do agree with the video. Even if we do make more mesos, I still don't think the fairy heart should be so expensive. It's just stupid.
I always wonder what is going inside Nexon, I truly feel like whoever runs it has 0 clue what the game even is about and just throws darts at a dart board to make decisions, because none of them make any sense.
My biggest annoyance is honestly the cash shop. GMS probably doesn't make a ton of money, but it doesn't help that all of their cash shop updates are awful. I've seen people literally beg them to bring vac pets back so they can spent $100 ($70 with 30k reward points) and basically a monthly subscription, but they just don't. We have to wait 8 months each time for them to bring them back for some reason and when they do, they keep bringing back the old ones, despite the fact that some people would probably double dip to get the newer vac pets. It sometimes feels like they are actively trying to not make money.
Thanks for the additional insight! I didn't know that frenzy was THAT OP!
Used to play from 2005-2013 or so, and I think you really convey the love and passion for this game, and the sadness that comes from seeing it underperform or potentially die from poor management and decision making on behalf of the devs.
I got hooked on a lot of these f2p online server games as a kid (probably like most of us) and I think there's a pretty big trend of them dying off from poor maintenance / dev management. It's such a shame since these communities are often the most dedicated and time invested since these are all games that have held on through 10 to 15+ years and still have such strong and passionate communities, it feels like such a waste of potential to see them start to fall off.
In particular, my brain jumps to GunZ the Duel (died from poor management and lack of updates), Combat Arms (rampant hackers), OSRS (not dead but feels like a lot of wasted potential), SSBM (not dead but their potential was incredibly stifled by active interference from the devs), and now it looks like Maplestory is sadly joining that list. I stopped playing ms consistently over a decade ago, but whenever I saw your videos I acknowledged that there was still an active community happy to play the game, so it's really quite sad for me to see that they're taking this route. I suppose sometimes that's just how it is, good video though.
Nexon is able to make such controversial changes time and time again because many people continue to play and spend more money on the game. For the past few years, each patch/update has been met with disappointment and complaints and there is barely any content to be hyped about. Just copy-pasted event shops and "balance". If you hear about this in the context of any other game, you'd think the game would be completely dead long ago. Nexon can enjoying taking a crap on their players over and over again because they know they're too invested to quit.
Let’s not forget that every time something disappointing occurred, those players who invested a lot told other players to shut up about it and how “nexon can do whatever they want”. So here we are. Hope everyone’s getting what they want 🤷♀️
@@cutejustice i've been complaining about the state of the game and how horrible nexon is for several years. and you're right, every single time i did i'd just get blind hate from everyone saying 'NO THE GAME IS PERFECT DON'T COMPLAIN THE GAME HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER DUDE THE GAME IS SO EPIC!!!!' and they would never bother explaining why they think the game is awesome. the game gets the laziest updates imaginable, adding progression features to reboot, removing totems and now entire classes from the game, removing alien content (among some other notorious content removals) while refusing to fix the horrendous grind that other *practically necessary for progression* content requires. anyone remember having to do pink bean prequest for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER YOU MADE? what fun that was! i won't even begin to talk about the grind to get ror4 and how unbelievably annoying and frustrating and slow and awful that was (and no, i gave up before i ever got one. couldn't be happier having done so) not to mention all of the broken event items that, without them, your character will never be optimal. pottable badges and totems with flames, yada yada yada. go fuck yourself if you didn't catch the events in time, have fun 1 shotting mobs in arcana for the next 10000 hours as cheating fmaing blaze wizards and kains fly all over the map auto looting everything on every channel. YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN!!!! THIS GAME IS PERFECT!!!!! NO ISSUES AT ALL!!!
i've been on the "only come back to play whenever a new class is released" mentality for years now because i acknowledged long ago how good maplestory could be, and how frustrating and poorly managed it actually is in reality
@@Jvizzlezz 1000%! Maybe if we were more unified as a community and actually supported each other’s issues, we’d be able to aid in steering maplestory on the right direction but no. “It’s a Korean game! They can do whatever they want!!!” Glad it’s “paying” off then.. 😒
@@cutejustice my issue with maplestory is that underneath the garbage that nexon does, the base game itself has so much potential to be so good. many of the classes are so interesting and so well designed that it's genuinely hard to hate playing them, the first time i played ark when he came out i was blown away at how awesome and fun it was to go specter form and just blast away everything with evil-looking demonesque attacks. or playing illium and you max out your orb gauge or whatever that thing was, and you basically turn into god for 10 seconds and can fly all over the map and shoot homing missiles at everything. in what other games can you do things like that?
the game in and of itself has so much potential to be so great, but then every change that nexon does, every update and every new shop change and premium shop nonsense they put out is always so horrifyingly bad that it's shocking the game is even alive, and (the reason why it's still alive...) how whales can justify spending 10000 dollars a month on every random character they create, dudes spamming mvp buffs every other minute of the day all the way into the wee hours of the night. it's genuinely a shame.
"Working with a 20 year old code base is probably hell" Yes it is. I work with a 30 year old code base at my job. It's horrible. But we still fix shit. We do rewrite stuff from the ground up if needed.
Game developers/ Publishers sometimes get so caught up in keeping things "balance" that they forget people want to have fun at the end of the day.
Game is fun but if you have any principles Nexon is one of the scummiest companies I've ever seen. Game reccomendation for new people is a hard no from me
It’s insane this is what I’ve been saying for years in hope that people speak up in the community considering that this game has the potential to be so amazing yet people only would say to me “maybe you should take a break”
I honestly think the only reason people play maplestory is because they are addicted and have no other hobbies other than playing video games. Why would the recent stuff affect Nexon's reputation when maplestory is already so severly pay to win that they just made a non pay to win server like reboot where you STILL have to buy pets(as far as i remember). Honestly Maplestory Global should just delete everything that isnt in KMS and just be a hard copy of Kms. Atleast players wont get screwed outa content that way
7:23 - 7:52 It isn't neither really crazy, nor tone deaf. Nexon has been shit for years. For half a decade the company has had horrible reputation for various scandals such as, what was going on with the rates/drop tables across multiple things and how they were lying about it.
How rigged flames rolls and inner ability rolls were and would roll exclusively with other things (for example %all stat flame would roll with a jump flame). They made official notices and posts full of lies which were later discovered to be false. Which forced them to make more notices only to display how skewed their definition of "random" is. Which lead to being asked if this system has bled over to cubes and them refusing to release statements about it, hiding and lying even more.
To messing with the cash shop items such as drop coupons, which were removed for being "unpopular", which of course not even a kid would believe, and was very obviously removed for balancing issues... excuse me """balancing""" issues.
To watching live streams of the head dev saying that they had ideas of monetizing 5th job progression by making you pay real money/maple points to upgrade your arcane symbols, which are REQUIRED to do any damage, essentially pay walling the entirety of the 5th job and beyond content. This was thrown out there as a 'look what we DIDN'T do because we care about you', but it only went to show how the MS dev team approaches the game. Which, of course, everyone knew, but having it said in front of you by the head dev so blatantly is a whole new level of disappointing. He may as well have said 'Yes, you are the pay pigs and whales that you knew to be'.
To Cash shop items and boxes dropping only your gender's + unisex clothes and never stating in the drop pool or on their site that it works this way, making players spend money for clothes they simply couldn't get because they were opening them as the 'wrong' gender. Especially the Zero class that would only get male items and couldn't get female ones.
Or company scandals such as the recent suing case of Dark and Darker. The list is honestly too long to go through, and this comment need not mention them, because the point has come across already.
No, Nexon isn't crazy or tone deaf. It is, in fact, the player that is crazy. It is the player that even CONSIDERS of 'returning to maple' that is insane.
Nexon and their product has only been getting shittier and the people keep playing their devoid of value, meaningless game that was celebrated for becoming a x64 software, as if it's some big technological accomplishment in the year two thousand and twenty fucking two. As if not crashing during a boss and losing your rewards because their shit software could only handle the limits of 2GBs in memory shouldn't have already been the norm. Nexon throws putrid waste at you and instead of throwing it back or avoiding it, you instead swim in it. That is why Nexon and Maplestory are always gonna be getting worse, because you don't seem to drown. Your cockroach endurance against their predatory systems have it made so.
And all you have to show for this endurance against the machine is """compensation""" with 15-30 min exp coupons, arcane symbols, nodes, flames and cubes that come in minuscule amounts. And which, despite making up the core of the game and can be farmed on a daily basis, are considered compensation simply because nobody wants to farm them, they just 'have to'.
And some """refunds"""" for the money spent in maple points, which doesn't even account for 10% of the expenses.
And """"new""" """events""" (more shitty dailies that crash the game, which you hope are simply killing level monsters to fill a bar so you don't feel like you are 'going out of your way' to do despite the fact that they are made to be new CONTENT. But of course you feel this way because the alternative is boring, time wasting, game crashing disasters like the Goo Island event) were the """rewards""" are as uninspired as ever. Some worthless rings, cosmetics such as mounts that are only used when you remember to use them before you go afk, and the aforementioned compensation rewards.
Nexon expects you to play and pay for their product because despite of it all, you have continued to do so. And will, expectedly, continue to do so, for until you no longer can, which, mind you, will only be due to secondary reasons, such as life complications etc, and not because of what Nexon has done, is doing, or will be doing.
Thanks for making these videos, this helps me to make decisions for my game development process!
Issue number 3: While the concern of 1 character deletion, content issues and price changes in game are quite upsetting. This was VERY much foreshadowed for any western players they showed you this way in advance. That being they made MS2 and without much fuss or thought deleted the ENTIRE GAME. While also keeping your entire in game wallet - thanks for playing Nexon! Sorry to everyone who loves the game and has played from the start. Maplestory is dead everyone with a DNR tattoo on the body. RIP ~ 2005-2023 ~
ive been on again off again playing GMS since beta and I have to say I'm not touching it again if they actually remove Jett. I don't care what their reasons are, even if they're good, that's one step too far.
If they don't like regional classes anymore, that's fine, but then they should just implement every class to every region, not remove them.
Nexon has been slowly getting worse over time. Sometimes I wonder if it's truly just incompetence or if they're actually actively trying to kill the game over here so they can justify pulling out?
Their decisions sincerely seems malicious at this point.
Removing Jett reminds me of when they took out making UAs. My main to this day that I haven’t touched in about 6 or so months is a UA Buccaneer around 248 I believe. UA classes were so cool because of the inventory/equip slot advantage and the cool cyg skill with the orb pet. Shame they’re too focused on deleting and ruining “kanna” over adding more content or classes mostly.
i really appreciate that coppersan is saying it as it is. he isn't sugar coating it or still praising nexon. I haven't seen any other Bean Brigaders speakout; not that i'm throwing shade.
Nowadays whenever I stop playing Maple for a long period of time it's not because of burnout or something of the sort, but because of Nexon making their usual awful changes.
But I doubt that it's gonna change. The big spenders who haven't stopped giving Nexon money all this time aren't going to stop now. And why should Nexon change their ways if they're still making good profit.
Luna server is dying, meso is more precious than ever been and suddenly the changes are to adjust for economy. Total bs, its almost 50k maple points youd need to get the 4b for heart if you were to meso market the funds for it.
More and more veterans are quitting and the game is ultra hostile to any new players if they even though about catching up. I came back couple months back being decently geared from my old days and its still a struggle. Met tons of new people that play for month or two, realise the next step in progresion is to drop 1k euro's worth of money on new equips and suddently they are gone. Ngl reboot feels more rewarding to play without spending than Regular when light spending.
The spawn boost removal is one of key mid to late game factors imho why its going so sideways. Noone will grind without spawn boost. Reliance on legacy items and fz sellers is big hinderance.
Im just waiting for announcement where half of Luna channels get shut off to ''save server resources'' and either leave the server rotting or delete it altogether.
NewAge update has some massive shoes to fill.
full hackers... bots afk hitting all the mapas of lvl 245 for up, none ban to this ... bugs , crashs, pesim ideas in changes recently ... a bored event of aniversity only for mules buff lvls? ironic and tipic .. no? the live of the gms how erzabel and other ... ideas poors , poor gameplay, nonsense responses, this game has become too low level in everything, from its poor gameguard to company nexon, managers, technicians, advisors etc etc. technically the game nowadays is just that the user spends his money for meaningless things in a losing game
the last event yeti and pb a disaster in calcules , game and players in action ... maplestory is dying? yes and a long time ago .. years !
add too to whales doing money ilegal in this game , mafias in guilds where all the maps of training They are restricted based on kissers, the nonsense reporting system etc etc etc happy mapping..... $$$$
Jett was my main... and now shes getting removed, I literally think about it every single day...
Its not a happy time at all for me, all that time and work for my speedy, dodgy Jett... Gone.
Thank you Coppersan for being the voice of us Maplers. Hopefully they’ll notice and maybe make a change for the better
They don't give a shit. Only if the whales are boycotting then they starts caring.
don't get your hopes up, for NA\EU\SEA at the very least nothing will change and as time goes this game just becomes more shitty
@@maka3230
And unfortunately the majority of the whales are in Korea, where they have a cult-like loyalty to Nexon and KMS actually gets a bit of service. There’s no hope for Maplestory globally, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they make an end of service announcement within the next ten years. (For global, not korea)
Nexon hasn't cared about the players since they acquired MS from Wizet back in the mid 2000's.
Will this be one of the signs that a game is moving towards the end of it's cycle? it always starts with removal of some content, inflating the item prices.. and slowly providing less and less update, only maintenance update.. and ultimately, BOOM, an announcement that it's exiting the region.. basically what happens to many many mobile app games that launched and didn't seem to make it.
It's sad that maplestory will likely die down with each push. It's like a slow and painful death.
Idk why people would play this garbage anymore. It's unrecognizable in it's current state. Even going to PreBb servers, I just don't think I have the desire to grind mushroom game anymore. It was fun while it lasted, but such a game can't thrive anymore in the current gaming landscape. They need to gate gameplay behind Stat walls for whales to keep paying. Yes, it was kind of always like this, but mmo's and games in general have come so far why would anybody touch this game aside from nostalgia.
@@Xhalonick they should just release the files to current maple, and sell it to people as a single player game lol.
@@mikeeps1788 if you've ever played a pserver you'd know playing by yourself is only fun for a day or two. Maple is doomed, it's gameplay is so simple it'd be better served as an idle game but yet they make so many different avenues you have to farm weekly, it just feels like a chore, and it has always been a chore. All MMO's are, that's why you play the ones that respect your time.
And yet people are playing this garbage for 20 years
Yeah, this game ain't dying
@@Xhalonick ngl, out of all the complaints the game deserve to get, treating it as a simple single player game is definitely something only someone that never got pass cra would say. once you join a guild and actively take part in the community instead of waiting for it, you'll see theres so much social aspect that is offered not necessarily by the game itself but through the game as a platform. not to mention the party bossing offers alot of mechanics to understand and progress through
in short no, it's not worth playing. i started playing after the totem was removed and was astonished that how could people even grind without totem in maps like esfera? totally limited to only certain grindable maps.
Doesnt matter what they do with the game if it has pretty pixels and whales willing to drop thousands of dollars on the game. Would love to see them rebuild the game from the ground up, but Im worried that could be the final stake in the heart, because chances are theyd completely butcher it
Thanks for voicing out❤️
coppersan, you are quite literally the biggest maplestory content creator at 103k subs. thank you for speaking up for the community.
Stopped playing all Nexon games when they murdered my decade of playing Combat Arms progress. If any class would make me try Maple again, it wouldve been Jett, so jokes on nexon.
They actually said why they increased prices on meso shops in the patchnotes:
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Developer Comment:
The Meso Shop was created to allow players to conveniently purchase items that are hard to obtain or items needed for enhancement. As it makes the process much easier, the prices of the items have been set with consideration to the prices for each world, currency acquisition difficulty etc, so that it wouldn’t have a large impact to the player experience and on the overall market value of similar items that have been distributed. Please understand that there will be differences from the previous Meso Shop prices, and we promise to make any future decisions to the shop will be made appropriately based on player purchase history and feedback.
"
So they pretty much think: "These items are BiS and you have too much meso/weekly income, so it shouldn't be an issue for your to buy them." While I do agree with that statement if we apply it to old long term players with multiples of bossing mules to profit from, new players do suffer from such changes.
aww hell naw, reg server crystal prices are way lower than reboot and they say we have more weekly income, not everyone can afford frenzy service or use auction house to earn as much as 300 mill. that's just telling the players that early progression in reg server is non-existent and move to reboot which isnt a good idea considering how much players are on reboot that they gotta actually reboot the server when there is a massive update or event that crowds the server that its not really fun anymore to even log into the server with that much people.
I think the point being made was; there wasn't enough of a boost in GMS for the prices in these shops to double, and why now instead of prior to them removing totems? They're adding content that pushes extra meso into the economy but then raising prices because of something their adding? Might aswell not add the content and keep shop prices consistent with KMS since they supposedly want us to go in that direction.
There is another meso shop available in a month during Saviour, so drastic price increases at current event might as well be viewed as them saying: "You will get another fairy heart in a month so because this item is so rare (appears once every 6 months) and we are giving 2 of them in such a short time span - pay."
I cannot be convinced otherwise that either one of two things is happening: either KMS is complaining too much about the experiences globally and Nexon is slowly attempting to align the content to KMS without adjusting the experience, or Nexon is attempting to slowly push players out from regional versions to convince investprs that regional operation isn't lucrative and pull a Maplestory 2.
If Nexon PR stated that the removal of content is related to some game breaking bugs, then they're simply full of it, especially when content was allowed to exist for years on end. The removal of progression content like Commerci stings, but reinforces the idea of KMS alignment and can be worked around; it wasn't game breaking nor was critical for progression. The removal of a class, a core part of the game and a significant time investment for many players nails that philosophy in five times over, one of the least played classes. It would be talked avout more uf the class was game breaking. It sets everything that isn't KMS on the chopping block, from Beast Tamer to Hayato and Kanna, to all Sengokou content, Akechi and Princess No (and her BiS sub weapons), to Gollux and Maple Tour. It also instills uncertainty in all other classes, if Nexon is willing to gut days, months, or even years of investment, and who knows how many dollars with that, for whatever purpose.
Nothing is safe within the game. Nexon doesn't care about you if you're not playing KMS.
I’m really dissatisfied with how everything has been handled for the last few patches. I’m still going to play the game, but I’m not going to spend any money on it, and I sure as heck wouldn’t recommend it to a friend…
I'm a dev so just want to explain a few things here:
Its extremely common that a system is built on a set of tools, the system ages, then those tools become old and outdated compared to modern standards. Ok so just "update it" right? A task like that is *extremely* complicated. The reason being is that changing one thing often breaks another, fixing that thing changes the next. You need to translate one thing to another, some old library functionality might not be supported in new libraries, now you have to build something from scratch, oh wait now that doesn't work for this part etc. Technology evolves so fast that to keep up means to keep tearing down and rebuilding. Obviously thats not economical, so companies just keep building using the original tools.
Overtime you basically get whats happening here. Issues that were "fine" in the past snowball, a system becomes so convoluted and spaghetti-like it would cost an enormous amount of resources that again, its not worth spending. To them, Jett was not a popular enough of a class. Its all business. Its not in their benefit to dedicate resources that affects a very small minority of playerbase. I know you're not familiar with these things but it would definitely take more than just "1-2 devs" to overhaul a system like this, all the while they are still continuously piling more shit on top with new updates. Personally, even if they paid me, I would not want to deal with that shit because its miserable trying to update legacy systems.
Why should I clean old shit up for Nexon I when I can get a job using modern tools and build modern things? So devs rather look elsewhere, meaning, its likely that its tough to find good devs that are willing to cleanup a 20yr old pile of shit codebase.
Again, its all business. Yes I agree, of course theres mis-management, greed, corruption, etc. No doubt. But at the end of the day, even omitting all of that, I can absolutely understand why they dont want to commit resources to it. Devs are expensive afterall. Every dollar they spend they want to maximize the return. It sounds greedy but it also is what keeps this game alive. I hope people can try and understand the situation from a business side of things. Its sad, dont get me wrong, but as someone whos in the industry its simply the reality that we have to accept and hope that in the future lessons from past mistakes can prevent these sorts of things from happening. I love this game man, I hope it lasts 🙏
Totally agree, but I really wonder if stuff is outdated because it wasn't maintained properly. Other classes don't have the same issues Jett had sometimes
Kanna and Hayato had complete revamps during the Sengoku update and were updated into their modern forms which we know them for. They were completely built from the ground up with modern tools.
Zen? Yes legacy + old and buggy but it was replaced one-to-one with Mo Xuan in CMS/TMS.
Really no excuses for the Jett situation there
i havent played maple since last november and every time i get an itch to play again they pull some really stupid decision that makes me not want to waste my time lol. and i dont even play a jett but it makes me cautious about playing any other job.
As a kid I use to play MapleStory on and off from 2008-2011, felt nostalgic and decided to look it up again. Everything eventually has to come to an end, but I'm surprised a game this old is still around.
Whales keep the game alive, one player spending millions is more then ten thousand players.
@@SyperDT Hence how companies are able to get away with these kind of predatory systems.
Its not the same game we knew in the past which is a shame. Especially they ruined maps identify and classes
Private servers or even an official classic server by nexon would be awesome!
@@notyourdad361 yeah, honestly a shame that there's never been another MMO quite like it.
Removing class is too much. Reboot not even come to Maplesea. To say, this the only PC game I playing. I miss those days, when we can train drake at low lv18... character level versus monsters level limit is worst thing that happens... many want grind faster at higher level maps but Nexon limited this .
Agree fully, and it gets even worse when you look at the perspective of a new player, you're just missing so much power and its so much harder to progress when compared to older players. No badge than can be starforced, no perma BIS totems, no buffed spawn rate to level faster, no gollux equips early on due to the nerfs, no lab legion blocks and the list goes on and on.
Every time these changes have happened I've heard people say that it doesn't matter in the end, its just a 4% stat difference or whatever but when you look at the big picture the changes stack up and make the playing field really unfair.
The moment the director said mmo's are dead, the guy should've been replaced.
I have loved maplestory for almost a decade now, I take breaks pretty often but always returned from time to time but honestly this might be the end for me, the folks in charge seem to hate the global audience and have squandered what little trust they earned with the few positive changes in recent years.
MapleSea is a hell game. Lost 60% game experiences compared to other server (familiar card, totem slots, some boss items, reboot and etc). We are not allowed to change server to Maple Global UNLESS using VPN, which has risk of getting account ban. Devs be like: nah, they are the same, you players are blind ehe.
I am only interested in the classic old school pre-big bang server so unless they are releasing that, I won't bother playing it.
If they released the 2000-2008 version of maple story I’d download it right this minute.
1) They wouldn't want to diversify their current player population from regular/reboot to OSMS.
2) They are afraid of failing the OSMS , and players wouldn't go back to regular/reboot.
3) They will probably just wait until the player population from regular/reboot decline greatly , only they will release OSMS .
just my copium speculation.
No you dont , dont even give them that idea . KOG did that with GrandChase and its been a shit show.
ive been playing the game for about 3 years now and when i first started playing i would always get annoyed about content removal but ive literally gotten to the point where i just dont think theres a reason to even try and get mad because nexon clearly doesnt care at all what there players in gms think or want they just want the game to be more and more like kms even tho they STILL release new region exclusive content to us and other regions constantly. im literally only still playing because im so far in that the changes honestly dont hurt me that much, it only hurts the new players which is why i literally never recommend the game to anyone thats interested in the game that sees me playing it so much which sucks because i would love to play the game with more people i know and have the game get bigger but i know that as the game is and with the new player experience constantly getting worse and worse, i would be doing anyone that askes me how the game is and if they should play a disservice recommending the game to them
Maplestory has been my favorite game since it came to america and still is. i am scared that im seeing the end of maplestory rn and it breaks my heart
You'd think this sort of BSery would also give the investors a reason for concern because just removing content like that is an unequivocal failure and when the investors get antsy, that usually means the executives will at least order for a stopgap if not just straight up putting a stop to whatever gets the investors upset.
I remembered a few years back, the Mesos shop for MSEA pricing was much higher than the other servers due to players being "too efficient". It was quite ridiculous but over the years, it reduced a bit (some item went from 3x the price to 2x) but it is still much more expensive than KMS.
I was never a fan of Jett's game play, but it's still extremely messed up that they're deleting the class and anyone who mained Jett is now forced to play a different class.
I quit the game back in Summer 2020 when they completely flubbed the Double Miracle Time event for Reboot. When they made that special DMT event for Reboot to compensate for the screw up along with telling us that they "Optimized the code" for better performance and still managed to screw it up laid the final nail in the coffin for me. I only came back a few months ago to play Neo Tokyo as I was waiting nearly a decade for them to bring it back and a way to obtain Iruvata as a familiar and after going through the story and getting my familiar, I felt a sense of true freedom from the game.
Seeing that the game that I had a lot of fun playing in grade school through college go horribly downhill over the years is sad, but it's to be expected from such a company like Nexon.
Wow
The algorithm must have just decided I needed some Maplestory in my life cause I genuinely wasn't expecting an MS video on my timeline. I stopped playing around a decade ago, but it's really cool seeing people still dedicated to it! Even if things don't look that good right now.
Used to play MS every day after school back in the day, for a couple years. Was a lot of fun back then, but I tried a private server a few years ago and it just wasn't the same because my tastes have changed over the years.
I still dabble on a WoW classic private server though on a regular basis but would never pay for it.
Why don't they just increase the spawn rate on maps across the board to make up for the loss of kanna's spawn rate skill and the spawn rate increase item. Think about it. It already takes an unrealistic amount of time to level up as you get closer to the endgame. It literally only helps your game by making spawns faster across the board. There's zero logic and planning going on by Nexon. None of their decisions have made any sense. Making it take a couple of hours to level up in the late game is fine. It's a bit too much for my tastes, but it's not terrible. Spending like 100 hours to get a single level is absolutely stupid.
I think the toughest part of it all, is our voices not being heard. There's always a higher table that companies will ONLY listen to and we the general public are always ignored. It's disheartening to hear about Jett, my Broa main for LIFE.
they were always heard they just dont care
As an late/endgame player, here's how majority of the active player base sees the game right now:
- 0 communication, literally none
- GMS Community managers being very unprofessional on several different occasions past few months; joining private discords to ban threaten individuals + questionable comments on platforms like Reddit
- GMS getting watered down versions of updates compared to every other regions; with often times entire events or updates being nerf or removed/never coming to begin with
- Game breaking bugs such as cash shop crashing players on the daily not even being addressed let alone any attempts at being fixed
- Constant GMS exclusive nerfs/content removals such as transpose flames and just recently Jett removal
- Overall content becoming more boring (new recent bosses/content only catered to handful of players and is artificially time gated, with a slower pace of new content generation too)
- GMS exclusive balancing being ignored; state of Kanna, state of familiars, state of any GMS exclusive content in general, absolutely nothing to even address the matter let alone make any attempts at changes or even listen to community feedback
Worst time to ever play GMS right now, really is sad seeing the current state of the game
It's on life support by the whales.
Can we also address that while they are deleting multiple GMS exclusive content yet adding GMS cubes in exchange for Red and Black cubes like everyone else. Why did we make this change if we are deleting exclusive content...
Very solid piece. Hope more ppl can bring awarness how poorly we (GMS) are being treat.
life is hard enough out there.. and maplestory used to be fun and grind was still fun... but all these recent change makes me dont wanna continue ..
Everyone, please just... quit. Like straight up stop playing and move on. You're only hurting yourselves by continuing to play this.
I'm just here because I want to support coppersan. Thanks for keeping it real. 🤞🏽
But sunk cost fallacy. We've spent thousands of hours (and sometimes thousands of dollars) in this game. It's kinda hard to just quit after all that. Not saying it would be the wrong choice tho. Liberating a genesis weapon is cool, but truly liberating yourself from the game by quitting is better
@@chizzicle u can liberate urself from the game but u can always come back for its music 😊
@@TheHuggableEmpire Yeah, but in the days of youtube and computers we can just dl the music and play it without needing to touch Nexon or their games.
@@gabbyk1391 Oh yeaa that's what I had in mind
Unfortunately, I quit purely because of the stuff Nexon pulls. Love the game, just wish it was in better hands. And I refuse to come back unless it has real support/commitment from Nexon.
Just wanted to thank you for the videos man! I quit back when the totem cheating scandal broke a while back, it's just too obvious from everything nexon does anymore that they don't care how their changes effect gms, or reboot at ALL
Well... Maplestory 2? A very well made game with so much potential that had his progression systems and end game content so lacking that people got bored of it 3 days into playing, was it fixed?
No the entire game was Shift + deleted... How many people spent money on that game or bought one of the 3 versions in steam for extra goodies? It should be illegal tbh but that's another conversation.
I believe maplestory global is only alive because of content creators like you that keep people interested in the game, and since there weren't any for ms2 it instantly died, as this one would without the extremely fun content creators it has on youtube, so until Nexon moves are so bad that they make you, daboki and other people quit, the game will be kept alive by the media machine.
But that was mainly because Korea actually stopped updating that game, go check the korean version is empty, they got like 3 extra stuff since gms2 closed
Excellent video. hopefully nexon sees this and takes some kind of interest. I love this game and would love even more to see what it could be if nexon actually gave half a care.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOPPING BACK ON AND GOT OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THE PROFESSIONS THEY HAVE OUT NOW
Didn't feel like retyping in lower caps lmao my bad
Thank you for using your platform to speak for us!
I started playing Maplestory before the release of Ludibrium and Orbis. It sucks to see the game change in such drastic ways, not even really talking about the ones listed in this video. I honestly can't touch the original anymore. I play MapleRoyals now and it's FAR more rewarding and fun.
Hi Copper, been a long time fan of yours and am glad you finally got back to 100k like the good old days. Although i don't watch you on twich anymore, still love your video content that you put out as it reminds me of the good times. Cheers to you and your wife!
i REALLY dont care abt the game becaming a 1:1 KMS copy, for real, non-kms content are allways glitchy and broken, and i never do them, even gollux and commerci i think are boring
BUT, this pathetic approach of removing things just to not have 1 or 2 devs working on the game is outrageous, for real, nexon aint that big of a company, they are not indie devs, of course, but i think thats the problem, they think they are EA UBISOFT or BLIZZARD, but they dont understand that those "little mistakes" are way too big for a company that is NOT THAT BIG
idk man, i love maplestory, is prob my fav multiplayer game of all time... i enjoy playing it even with this trash state, but i would enjoy it a lot more if it wast this hard to keep liking it
Hi Coppersan,
You got me into Maple last August, and when I hit 260 in January amidst the cube/SF changes and totem fallout, I had "passed" your progress and started watching "sweatier" creators like Matt and Sacrix among others.
I soon quit cold turkey, feeling terrible about how much time I'd invested into a game that treats its players and breeds resentment like Nexon, with a vocal community to match..
I see you're 261 now, and I reinstalled and have 2 daily stamps on my Momentree event now. I hope to learn from your approach to finding enjoyment in a game and community bent on obfuscated progression and development, community outrage and frustration, and non-transparent creators and communications 🙏
Thanks Ronald 💛
you play a game based on whether a youtuber plays it or not?
It's 2023 and people STILL complain about what shit of a game Maple Story has become while playing it... 15 years too late.
I have played maple on and off for around 15 years now. I decided to spend a bit more time on this game during covid and managed to reach 268, full arcane, 403 SF, and 51K stats. I like progression and maple's progression is simple and easy to understand. These changes impact the core of progression. Why would I play a game that I have no confidence on? There are so many good games coming out this year. It is time for me to try something else.
just literally stop making region exclusive classes/content. KMS needs to add all content to their region, make it compatible with them and then when its sent out to other regions nothing breaks? hopeful thinking but i think its a good first step
Nexon is great at making games that are fun into meaningless grind sessions while constantly inflating things. Thanks for everything NEXON
so glad i quit in the beginning of the year. I just see GMS going down hill from here... KMS isnt doing so well either from Kang WonG ki saying those stuff to the players. So yea. GMS is just going down in my opinion. Sad to see such a wonderful game going downhill cause of the decision the company made.
Seems like the KMS head guy has no passion for the game at all. Really sad. It's refreshing to have a game that you know the devs and top people are passionate about and it creates a much more enjoyable experience for everyone.
my guess is the meso shop got doubled purely because the value of mesos in the meso market is a lot lower in GMS compared to KMS. And then reboot just gets shafted in the crossfire.
It heavily sounds like there is a huge disconnect between the GMS team and the KMS team due to lack of or problems with communication between the two.
they are trying to make gms whalestory thats why then when the whales dont produce enough they give this message "it comes with a heavy heart after all these years we have to shut maplestorys doors to the west and the rest of the world thankyou all for mapling" what a fucking joke im so glad i went to private servers
It's just a cash cow game for the company at this moment. Botters are everywhere, kanna was nerfed because of it, totems was removed because it's allowing players to progress faster than nexon can update their game. At this point, even Ragnarok Online Mobile updates faster than Maple. Sad state, players are getting old with more life commitments. No new players are being attracted at this point. It's just about waiting for the inevitable to happen where GMS and MapleSEA just shuts down after making enough money to pay their investors back.
I remember playing maplestory in the early days, I loved it so much. I even played with coppersan, well not played played but I used to see him around a lot back then. Seeing the game go in this direction is heartbreaking ;-;
Doesn't matter, people can't wait to give nexon 80€ for a Pet (Vac) that should exist as a quality of life feature.
And pay a monthly 14€ Subscription to keep the Pet alive.
At the same time we have "events" that give us mesos for real money, so they can increase the prices of desired ingame items.
People are eating it up, Im sorry but the community doesn't deserve better.
Glad that so many people are seeing how shady this company is, the Dark and Darker lawsuit only made it even worse for them...
That lawsuit is justified though. Nexon is not saying g they own game assets they are saying they own the complete picture. Just like artists don't own colors but they do end result nexons claim is that iron mace stole overall not the individual assets.
@@LemonSoulz The idea of Dark and darker comes from a certain mod, so they can't even say they own the complete picture. It's a bullshit claim they are making. Nexon truly truly is an evil greedy bastard company.
As an old old player returning in late 2022 I am feeling like I got back to back to back sucker punched by Nexon. I have soo much love for this game but its almost like they are treating it like some bastard child they wish would just go away for gms.
While I don't currently play Maplestory, it has been a huge part of my life growing up. Seeing how much Nexon disregards player concerns and actively makes the game worse really hurts to see. I've even been seeing community members theorizing that Nexon views GMS as a lost cause and the changes are to slowly drain it of players until they can justify shutting it down.
Though everything you said here stands, I think MapleStory has bigger problems than this in it's current core design. For example, whenever I feel drawn to play this game due to it's great art and combat, I immediately regret it. Why? Because the game is drowned in content and feature creep. There is system upon system upon system which game explains through text dumps, the quests just practically boost you to the endgame and massive amounts of older quest and content is skipped making you as a new player confused and disoriented where to go and what to do. The whole design of the game changed. Quests and monster grind don't matter until the endgame, the main point of the game is doing dailies and endgame grind and that sucks. If Nexon gave us a chance to play like in the old times when every piece of content mattered, it would be great!