This Rice Quote CONCERNS Me…
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Hi, James. Let me start by saying that you have been putting in work for a long time but you have outdone yourself, lately. I appreciate your meticulous attention to detail when providing your analysis and I tend to agree with you more often than not. You have a point but I disagree. Rice is a great #6, who WILL improve. However, Rice has tools in his locker that would make him a DEVASTATING #8, such as powerful, long-range shooting with pin-point accuracy and long-range passing we don't get to see at Arsenal because he doesn't have to "carry" the team, like he did at West Ham and Arteta is quite strict, tactically. The onus on maintaining possession means taking less risks. Less long range shots. Rice should be hammering that ball toward goal EVERY time he gets it just outside the box. He is actually REALLY good at that and I'm disappointed not to have seen more of that but I've already explained why that is. I would like to bring back Joe Willock from Newcastle to partner Rice in a 2-man Box-To-Box pivot at the base of midfield with Oodegard at #10/CAM. Highly unlikely but Bruno G, Douglas Luiz and even Amadou Onana, I believe could partner Rice in that CM/DM pivot with Rice given more license to roam to go with having some help with the defensive duties or use Willock as a Box-To-Box #8 because that is his natural position and he is class.
Build up play has become more important in the modern game.
Modern teams are more compact vertically. Which means the distance between their strikers and their defenders are closer. They defend with 11 players forming a block.
Therefore, you need 11 creative players to break down that block. That’s why modern defenders and goalkeepers are required to be so much more technical on the ball.
In the past, being a goal hanger isn’t that big of a trade off, because your team could still be able to create through a 4 men defence. But nowadays, you can’t afford to be one man down in the build up process because you are facing 11 defenders.
This is why modern football has become more “TOTAL”. A striker’s job is not just finishing, but also defending and creating. Otherwise your team would be in a numerical disadvantage in the defensive/build up phase. The same applies to defenders and goalkeepers.
Our 8s are actually a 8 10 hybrid role. And our 6 has to dictate play from deep. Rice can’t create like Iniesta/Xavi when he is pushed forward as an 8. And he can’t build up like Busquets when he is playing a deep role.
Kind of. Arteta is always talking about flexibility to win different kinds of games. He also always talks about wanting players who can play multiple positions. At the end of the day we can't know the full set of plans for any player from the outside. I believe we will always have an incomplete picture in that regard. Arteta signed Partey and Rice because of their ability to win the ball and bring us forward, so while positionally Rice was signed to be a 6, Arteta clearly always recognized his potential to play 8. In terms of Raya and Ramsdale. Raya was actually a target before Ramsdale, but at the time we were looking to sign him he renewed with Brentford. Ramsdale was not Arteta's first choice from the beginning. I get your concerns on Rice's role. I think the details of your concerns highlight exactly why we are looking at 6's and 8's. I believe Arteta wants a 6 who can bring us forward and play line breaking passes or an 8 who can carry the ball well and still has a physical presence to help us win the ball. Either one can enable Rice to do more at either 6 or 8. I don't think it's a matter clarity vs flexibilty. I think Arteta is clear that he wants flexibility.
@@MarkAnthonyUK
Willock and Rice?
You don’t want a midfield of FDJ, Kimmich and Odegaard?
With Rice on the pitch, the question is, where on the pitch do you want to sacrifice that passing ability? Do you want to lose that in the deeper build up? Or do you want to lose that when we are higher up the pitch.
Personally, I believe Rice needs to be given a bit of time to develop his attacking instincts and positioning in the advanced role. I think with a bit of time he can be a similar if not better "Xhaka like" fit into Arsenal's attacking options. You also get the bonus of a good ball winning player higher up the pitch if we lose possession.
Rice is clear on his role at Arsenal. His role is whatever the game model requires game by game.
Right? I have no concerns whatsoever about rice at Arsenal.
Agree. I don't see the fuss here.
Same sentiment
That's great to a point but there's a big difference between being a deep midfielder in build-up and getting into the pockets to create and drive at defences, that's why I do actually think next season he needs a slightly more settled position but maybe I'm overthinking it
@@TheGoonerverse think about it, Arteta would never sign a player for 100m just to use him for one season. Rice has also said he prefers the #6 position. But he's so so good at 8. His game will evolve. He's 25.
Don’t give a flying fuck about England. Only Arsenal. Rice was EXCELLENT for Arsenal.
Neville is shit pot stirring trying to sow seeds of doubt for this upcoming season
I'm thinking thr same
@@cmoney4114exactly they won’t win shit anyways
Agreed! Don’t give a flying fuck about England! Looking forward to new management when I dare take a chance!
Declan is being told something he’s not enjoying!
Thankfully Benny Blanco see it coming and got the fuck away !
@@CashMNeytrue very true arsenal will remain trophyless as usual
Rice is a tradtitional defensive midfielder, brilliant off the ball and can also drive with the ball if there is free space ahead. However, he very rarely plays the pass into the pockets where odegaard operates in. These are the types of line breaking passes that he lacks and is visibly evident when jorginho and partey have stepped in when fit. Our build up play is much more fluid and quicker with them.
That's why his long-term midfield partner has to be a deep-lying playmaker
We have to play another creative midfielder next to Declan. He is brilliant defensively, but not progressing the ball well. That's why Rodri is best in the world, because he can do both.
I think Declan's future in this team might be in Xhaka's role, helping with our high press and then dropping into defensive formation when needed. Otherwise, we might have to play with two 6 midfielders and one 8 or 10. We see how dull England looks with him as the only pivot.
@@Ivanovic5580 100%
do you think odegaard could play along side him if he drops deep and have vieira roam the half spaces?
@@inverted-GK Odegaard can definitely dictate the game if he drops deep, but he is so dangerous in half spaces. It's possible that Timber could invert into midfield during build up and help Rice in possession, it will be very interesting to see how Mikel is going to use him. We still don't know how good on the ball can Timber be, but he looks promising.
Zinchenko at his best could've done it, but he has dropped off in form badly.
Finally someone said it ! He’s good on the ball but not elite for winning the league or international tournaments. Moyes & Southgate has been his coaches so I can’t blame him too much but he does take a lil long on the ball.
Arteta is LEVELS above Southgate.
If he was in charge of the England team, they would walk the Euros.
Rice was phenomenal for Arsenal this season... whoever Arteta & Edu bring in in the summer - will be exactly what we need.
Yes difference between Mikel and Southgate is that Mikel very quickly figured out Declan's only weakness and made up for it with Jorginho and Partey playing alongside him. Southgate still plays Declan as the lone pivot, that's why England is as dull as they are going forward.
The England job is a poison chalice. Any self respecting manager wouldn't take the job.
English fans , media and pundits should be more humble. Luka Modric
@@Ivanovic5580arteta would play players in the right position and if they struggle he is more then capable of helping them adjust like look at havertz
Arteta is definitely a better coach but I donthink he walks the comp. 1 is philosophy requires time to learn and 2 he is not that good at knock out football. He is very young for a coach and these tournaments requore a lot of experience
This is exactly why I can’t stand the dumbed down 6 vs 8 discussion. There’s a difference between a destroyer and a regista. But many times they are both labeled as 6’s.
Yep rice a destroyer and Jorginho a register
That's because they ARE both sixes.
@@kunimitsune177Lol, wtf do you know other than excuses?
@@SteveBarrow-lp2ns He's the PL sponge and cringe expert loooool
Omg, THANK YOU for saying this.
James- Rice had 17 goals and assists last season.
12 of which came after Mikel moved him further upfield.
He’ll improve on those numbers.
Remember- that was his first 5 months playing in that position.
Also- don’t buy into the bs that Mikel doesn’t know if he wants a six or eight.
Does Mikel strike you as indecisive??
Come on!
It’s just journalists hedging their bets so they don’t look stupid in a few weeks time!
I don't see the problem here.
How many of them assists were from taking a corner?
I didn't realise his numbers were THAT good as an 8 tbf! In terms of does Arteta konw what he wants in midfield? I think there's evidence that he didn't know what he wanted to do with Havertz but he just loved the player - so it's not that surprising if reports are true that we're not sure which angle to take
Nice clickbait title
You can't have it both ways
Saying you trust Edu & Arteta and then pick out a statement pretty much questioning them and not having faith in the process
It's obvious that's the work environment
You hire someone but their best talent might show up in a different sector
It's completely normal
I do prefer Rice in the 8 / Xhaka role
We need that young DM that can grow under the tutelage of Jorginho or Partey
while rice can play those line-breaking passes into the half spaces, I think it's a question of if he will make those passes, his overall passing game is fairly risk averse
Until my eyes tell me that the roles are not well-understood by the players on the pitch, I'm won't be too concerned that we're being overly flexible. The recruiting has been great lately, and I'm not seeing a reason to complain yet. Rice was amazing all year in both spots. The larger British punditry group will and do complain about the dumbest, most miniscule things. It took some time for Havertz to fit in, but ultimately every Arsenal fan will view that signing as a good one. He's earned a spot in the squad for sure. Timber didn't get a chance to show his stuff, but I think he's going to become incredibly important and nailed on to start every week.
Mikel knows what we need and where he sees Declan in the future. Not concerned about it.
Rice was the best player on the pitch yesterday imo, so I wouldn’t say that he has been poor, rather the team as a whole and Southgate’s tactics.
Come on now. Rice has been awful in all 3 games. England have been awful in all 3 games.
Rice was the best player on the pitch yesterday
Always preferred the idea of Declan playing as more of an 8 then a 6. Love his galloping style and that suits the 8 role rather then the 6.
His decision making in the final 3rd has also improved. I think he’s our 8 and we need a new 6
L take. Rice excels as a 6. We need an 8 that can make final 3rd passes, who also helps out defensively
@@BeforeThisNovember L take from you. We need a 6 who can hold his position and break lines with his passing. Similar to what Jorginho (Partey for a few games) did for us last season
@@mohammedosman5366 be honest here. Is Rice a better 8 or a better 6?
@@BeforeThisNovember
He can do both, but I'd rather have a holding 6 who can control the game from deep, and then Rice at 8 to win the ball high or in a low block and drive from deep.
Think you have mis-understood Pep's & Mikel's shared vision for players/squads & tacticals.
Meaning!
He wants multi-position players who are exceptional in more than 1 slot/formation.
So Rice is never going to be X or Y in the trad sense. He is required to do both!
Agree. Aprtey always ill.
Well, when playing as a 6 Rice did seem to hesitate in making a progressive pass to break the lines. So much so that Odegaard had to drop to help him. Arteta tried to make it all work bringing Zinchenko as a pivot, despite his defensive weakness, which made Arsenal fans wonder what was Arteta doing. Then he finally changed Rice of position, bringing Jorginho in.
For a club like West Ham, it makes sense having Rice as a 6, since they play mostly in fast counter attacks. For Arsenal, not so much.
For a European cup winning club like West Ham who sent us crashing out of the Carabao Cup and destroyed us at the Emirates it made sense having Rice as a 6
@@MickDarcy If you understood that I was somehow underestimating West Ham, you need to go back to school or practice more your reading 👍
@@Alexandre1453 You'll be telling us Arteta's thinking of signing Olavo de Carvalho as an inverted No 8 and back up for Saka next
You know you can just have a CM not a 6 or an 8. We won the league with 2 CM's in Vieira and Petit who both were as comfortable in their defensive duties as they were offensive and played with intelligence - when one went forward the other dropped back.
Simple. I'm not sure why there is a fuss with James and Gary Neville.
What.
A six and an eight are both central midfielders. The 'just a CM' type is an 8 because they play next to the six. Sometimes players can do more than one role in a team. Vieira and Petit were often referred to as DMs (6) and played in the famous misnomer that is the 'double pivot'.
We last won the league in 2004
Just saying...
@@kunimitsune177 Cringe
@@SteveBarrow-lp2ns *EPL
Keep up the great work ..greetings 😊from down under
For the left back situation I think califiori is the dream signing
From Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets to KDB, Rodri and Silva/Foden.
Pep never sacrifice technicality, silkyness and tekkyness in the midfield.
The game nowadays might need more physicality and athleticism. It’s true that the ManCity trio are more physical than the Barcelona trio. But in terms of technicality, there is no big difference. There might be a slight drop off but it’s not significant.
Whereas Rice does offer more physicality and defensive capability, but he is a huge drop off in terms of technicality if you compare him to those Spanish greats.
Maybe the best Man City team played Fernandinho.
Other great teams are built around midfielders like Casemiro, Fabinho, etc. who were more defensive midfielders.
@@jaywalker2083
Find the clip, the samba side of Casemiro.
Fabinho is also a good passer, dribbler, ball controller and tempo dictator from deep.
Zzzzzzzzzz
@@thierryhenry674 Find a girlfriend or a hobby
What’s with the sudden use of position numbers these last few months talking about players. Never used them the last few decades when talking about the game?
If you are still talking about traditional positions in Arteta's formation, you are a few steps behind. Arteta values positional play. You point out Rice , Havertz and Timber as being converted, what about Gvardiol, Ake, Akanji? Gvardiol plays left back now but he is a centre back, Akanji plays almost at right back, Ake plays left back, Different games call for different requirements, I have heard you severally say ' This game requires Zinchenko, that game requires Kiwior, that game would suit Tierney", why don't you carry the same reasoning and see that Rice was brought majorly for TRANSITION CONTROL, we didn''t have that with either Partey, Jorginho or even Xhaka. Our midfield used to be overrun very easily.Rice controls transitions and he can also do OTHER ADDED DUTIES going forward, including SET PIECES.
About England performance, I think they have OVERACHIEVED, that's a poorly coached team. You don't take Mariah Carey to be trained by a Sunday school choir master!
Akanji, Gvardiol & Ake aren’t Rodri, KDB or Haaland… Havertz & Rice are meant to be those key positions. I’m all for flexibility but does that mean NO ONE should have a settled, identified specialist role in the team? Saka is about the only one who does
As a coach, you have an idea, but then you sort it out on the training ground as individuals in the team and the team itself evolves. This is normal and part of the process. Fans need to stop thinking so rigidly because with Arteta it is fluid and dynamic. Players play, coaches coach, and players earn their role every single training session and game played.
Food footballers adapt. Diego Costa was a midfielder who became a striker - many more footballers have adapted.
@@eddietee6305 Wasn't Zinchenko a defender once?
Just out of curiosity, how many EPL clubs have you managed before because tbh and i don't mean to be rude but i've never heard of you?
Also, any idea when this process is due to be completed?
Thanks
@MickDarcy your hilarious. Is the snide comment necessary? I coach at my own level. I have run clubs, delivered football camps on 3 continents, and coached university. Am I allowed to have an informed and trained opinion without being Mikel Arteta?
@@ToddParker I didn't ask you what you've done on your XBox.
I asked you how many EPL clubs have you managed before?
Is the question too hard for you?
Love James’ Highbury book stop and how the books start with Wenger and Bobby Moore and finish with Spiderman and Pokémon 😂
Do tactical analysis on this England team and how they can improve. Plz
Change the manager and his staff, that's how England improves
I think the main reason for the adaption is the speed we are progressing. We are now in the position we only need 2/3 key players to win the league
It makes little sense to me,Rice is one of the best 6 in the world,but not even a top 10 number 8,by moving him to 8,whoever we bring in will be below the lvl of rice as a 6 and i think we can get a much better 8 than what Rice can do there
Arteta clearly favours versatility with his signings and looks for those attributes, I mean, look at what they did with Havertz and how well that turned out. It's clearly a feature and not a bug that players end up being moved around because that's evidence of the tactical depth that Arteta wants to build with this team, instead of signing players only capable of 1 thing and 1 thing only, not to mention how it helps with the squad depth that you have players you can move into different positions without the quality level dropping when players get injured.
Playing players in positions where they play better and develop faster in is NOT a concern, a bit click baity...
Damn it! I’m a Spurs fan and just subscribed to James 🤔. A quality analist. Please cover some other teams.
I really don’t like the idea of spending a lot of money on a striker, not so much because I think we have enough depth upfront but the fear is if we spend 80m+ on a striker Kai will go back into midfield.
It's only English Arsenal fans that are worried , the rest could not care less what he does on international duty
Respectfully, I disagree about any lack of direction/preparedness going into this Transfer Window. Though I'm not a big fan of "versatile" players who can play multiple positions (I like easily defined roles & specialists.), it has been made clear that Arteta prefers versatility. It is 'Exactly' what Arteta 'Wants': Rice sometimes an 8 sometimes a 6; for example, Timber sometimes here, sometimes there; Martinelli, Trossard, Tomiyasu, Jesus, etc., etc. That IS the plan. Even though I prefer a pure, left-footed RW (Takefusa Kubo) to back-up Saka, Arteta wants a Xavi Simons who can play several roles 'including' RW back-up for Saka. This versatility is a Strength as far as Arteta is concerned: If you can't get 'Target-#1' you can switch to 'Target-#2'. If the opponent is stifling 'Plan A' you can switch to 'Plan B'. I think Arteta and Edu are 100% prepared for the Transfer Window. And I think they are quite adept at keeping the nosy media reporters unsure, uncertain and confused by what only 'looks like' ambiguity.
-W E Ray
arteta wants flexibilities in all positions, rice is learning to becoming a complete midfielder and it'll take some time getting there. What he's done in one season is impressive so far.
Part of the problem is that these days, there’s no room for experimentation. Can’t afford to wait and see if something will work cause you might drop the points that lose you the title
Brilliant title and thumbnail James 👏👏
Rice's tackling, marking, positioning, leadership are better utilized more as a 6, and Arsenal is betting getting off a more attacking 8 (not a CAM, but someone with better heading/shots/flair). That being said, if we get Kimmich, Rice goes back up to 8 and kimmich is locked in as that deep lying playmaker as a 6
Love your insight here overall mate, I struggle with this myself when pondering Arsenal. Tactical flexibility provides dynamism, but at what point do we prioritize more clear-cut philosophies? Arteta gets props from me for making Havertz work as a 9, but would we have been better off with a Haaland? Germany is going through this currently, and at least for them I think they need Fullkrug starting (I personally favor Havertz as a SS but would that be our absolute best starting lineup? where would we fit in odegaard)
Zinchenko is also interesting. He plays as a IWB but would we be better off with a double pivot of rice/kimmich and then have a more traditional wb?
I totally agree with you. I believe Rice's best role is as like a left 6. I personally want us to get a high profile LB who can provide consistent overlapping and attacking threat and can solve our LH dynamics by allowing nelli/trossard more centrally. There is a huge market opportunity with A. Davies if the Madrid move doesn't work out. Or other options like gutiérrez. Get someone as a right 6 similar to partey like a fofana and allow odegaard to roam free as a 10. That might solve many of our issues.
The season Martinelli did well is when he had Zinchenko inverting and Jesus constantly drifting to the left.
Congratulations. You’ve just inserted genuine panic and doubt into the “trust the process” crowd from a Gary frikking Neville quote.
What's Gary Neville ever won and any idea when the process is due to be completed?
@@MickDarcy He's won zero as a manager
@@potentialswillrule I reckon Chump of the Year for two to three years running?
@@MickDarcy a process, by definition, is something that is ongoing. For example, evolution is a process. If you’re asking when some sort of result can be seen, you have my sympathy. Regarding “tangible” results like trophies and cups and all, personally, T-1 minutes to my dying breath is fine with me, if the Arsenal keeps playing the way they are, ie. they continue to evolve in the trajectory they have been on. I hope that is succinct enough.
It's horses for courses, that's Artetas style for many players. The only criticism is relevant to the problem... Southgate.
Personally, if we are moving to this positionless football I think we should get an 8 who can swap with the defensive midfielder. So if rice grabs the ball at defensive midfield her ‘can’ just drive up further forward and whoever is in that 8 just drops back to cdm to cover for him. So Bruno makes for the perfect addition really. It’s pretty unfortunate for Rice that just because he doesn’t suck at something (getting the ball back) his game and career need to suffer to just being reduced to a cdm who gets the ball back from other players mistakes. I wanna see the max of his potential
I believe even tho arteta now knows havertz is better as a 9, there will be a small part of him that will try to explore havertz as a midfielder again, because of the attacking potential. And i dont think its concerning to always pivot from the main target. Pep reportedly wanted kane and got haaland. Klopp reportedly wanted caicedo bellingham but he got endo mac allister. The best managers can produce results with the most range
This seems like a stretch in terms of the importance of this conversation
James, think you’re over analysing! Arsenal were one win away from premier league glory. I think the pivoting away from initial ideas is a strength if it’s clear the initial idea isn’t going to work. In terms of what we need this transfer window, if we get Kimmich and Williams, that would be enough in my opinion for us to win the league.
I cant even blame any england player the manager has no clue he just sees what the players are doing at club level and tries to get them all on the pitch and do what they do at club level where they al play for different clubs who play similar but different and there is little to no coaching on how they would like the team to play. so you then you just get the players criticised because they have no clue on what works
We might be overthinking things. Let's see what Arsenal will look like next season then we'll know if this is an issue or not
Hi, James. Let me start by saying that you have been putting in work for a long time but you have outdone yourself, lately. I appreciate your meticulous attention to detail when providing your analysis and I tend to agree with you more often than not. You have a point but I disagree. Rice is a great #6, who WILL improve. However, Rice has tools in his locker that would make him a DEVASTATING #8, such as powerful, long-range shooting with pin-point accuracy and long-range passing we don't get to see at Arsenal because he doesn't have to "carry" the team, like he did at West Ham and Arteta is quite strict, tactically. The onus on maintaining possession means taking less risks. Less long range shots. Rice should be hammering that ball toward goal EVERY time he gets it just outside the box. He is actually REALLY good at that and I'm disappointed not to have seen more of that but I've already explained why that is. I would like to bring back Joe Willock from Newcastle to partner Rice in a 2-man Box-To-Box pivot at the base of midfield with Oodegard at #10/CAM. Highly unlikely but Bruno G, Douglas Luiz and even Amadou Onana, I believe could partner Rice in that CM/DM pivot with Rice given more license to roam to go with having some help with the defensive duties.
I said as much in one of your earlier summer videos re transfers. Fundamentally, the club needs to start signing specialists and finished articles. Too many signings smack of 'contingency'.
This would be my preferred midfielder for next season.
Odegaard
Wirtiz
Giumares
Rice
Partey
Fofana
He’s a better 6. He was excellent in that position for 2/3 of last season. It’s nonsense to say he wasn’t
You're Wrong James...
Yooz listening to the Chatter, as opposed to Genuine Arsenal Statements..
Arteta and Edu are evolving our Team and as always, they demand fluidity..
But I suppose you need something to talk about.
Rice has had one season. He will be even better next season, whichever position he plays.
Mikel
Wants unpredictability…. These observations cover it quite well. Wouldn’t you agree Jamie ?
I like Rice as an 8 I think his best qualities are his instincts, athleticism and dynamism. He has the ability to drive the tram forward and be sorta the player we play through similar to how we played through Xhaka. I think his passing is better higher up the pitch when he doesn't need to be quite as cute. He also crashed the box very well and he's quite good at improvising in the final third.
Also when it comes to Rice at 6 there just too much rigidity in the side he isn't a fluid player whose going to grease the wheels and get you playing slick build up he's a powerful weapon that's used to attack and defend.
On Ian Wright suggestions. It's his fault. If you state this suggestions, explain it clearly. He is on a big media. He is not a new pundit, been there long time, so should use his words with responsability. Anyway, it was stupid idea to think of puting Saka at LB, where he didn't play for 3 years.
P.S. "poor Foden" has to play "out of position" even he is "sooo versitile" and could play all across forward line. Maybe Foden could play LB? 😂😂😂
Plans change all the time when new possibilities arise. As much as people like to think humans are extremely rational beings who perfectly take every possibility into account ahead of time, we just can’t.
We’re going to need to be flexible and adaptive. I hardly see those things as a weakness.
Plans change all the time. One week you're playing Destiny Private Match 1v2 Game 1, the next you're knocking one out over a 40 Kill Dual Fusion Rifle match!
@@SteveBarrow-lp2ns He's trying to be flexible and adaptive. I hardly see those things as a weakness
Rice is a box to box 8, that's his best role, he can play a 6 and be right up there with the best. But he is a 8
If people want to criticise him, the 1st game England played, he was one of the better players, last 2 not at his best, like the whole team apart from the defensive players.
Lol come on james, hows that a matter of concern? In fact it’s refreshing to see how flexible and adaptive and dynamic we’ve been, on and off the pitch.
We’ve been that for three years, eventually we need absolute specialists who we know exactly what they do and how they deliver no? Saka is the only one on the front line in midfield I can think of on this way
Rice can play 6 or 8 but there are limitations to each, for ex playing as an 8 he wont be gundogan. He is likely to play both next season. The idea is to play players next to him that suit him, which is why playing havertz next to him for so long was stupid. Zinchenko btw can be a little like kroos for germany (not as good) so that can help rice with buildup. Who does kroos have ahead, gundogan and andrich (havertz as striker), we already have andrich and better in rice, we need a gundogan. We have 6s that can play with rice but we dont have 8s (odegaard position is set for me), so we need to buy an 8. Rice is great in possession but he is a dm still, but dms can be more advanced like gattuso, rabiot, essien, and can be more deep like Gilberto silva, rice can do both, so can play as 6 (with a gundogan type) or 8 (with jorginho), still a dm tho, not a Yaya toure for me
No timber may be part of the moving away. Its okay cos the players can play more than one role. Moving to another place doesn't mean they can't play their former role
Zinchenko has entered the chat...
James.. on the Ian Wright comments.. I just don't think you get it. Ian Wright suggesting Saka go left back is disrespectful. Would he suggested Phil Foden go play there? They have similar size & strength.. what about a Kingsley Coman.. A Ribery.. A Robert Pires to RB? .. Saka played LB for Unai Emery for about 40-50 games.. otherwise he has always been a winger. He broke through at LB but made RW his own. Ian Wright might not realise it but what he is essentially saying is Saka is not good/potent enough as a RW to keep his place against Cole Palmer or Phil Foden.. and in turn giving credence to the argument that they are better players. I would have been happy if he had said let Saka rest one game (dropped to the bench cause he hasnt been at his best i agree) and let Palmer start.. or move him LW is completely different to suggesting he goes LB. If England were coached by Guardiola maybe this would male sense, but out of the blue under Southgate? It just doesn't make sense !!
Let me just clarify that I do not have an x account nor Instagram so I am not aware of the level or intensity of backlash he received and judging from a number of videos I presume it was out of order and I don't stand by that at all... but it's also alright to think he had a howler of a take and express why we feel that way.
i want him in the 6 and we go get a top 8. he breaks up play and wins the ball back.
I think you are the one who is unclear. Arteta is not unclear. You read other Arsenal fans and YT "experts" talking and hypothesizing and you label it as if Arteta/Arsenal are confused and not clear. So this whole video was just about your own anxiety. So waste of our time :) Sorry brother for being harsh on this video
I'm watching this as i type, so forgive me if i repeat anything.
I have ZERO worries about Declan at Arsenal, absolutely none at all. Arteta is levels above Southgate. He identifies a players strengths and weaknesses and makes adjustments to suit whilst coaching the player to improve- as a few players have said, Mikel is a freak. Rice is young and is motivated to learn, as he showed last season- and was likely our 2nd best player. He will improve of course, this was his 1st season stepping up to another level and he came through with flying colours. I think the problem is we tend to want to label players as if a position is clear- it is not, football is a fluid game, and what's going on with England is leading to many players abilities being questioned when the problem is obvious- Southgate hasn't a clue and his instructions are totally confusing all the players- we can all see that. As Declan plays even more for Arsenal though he will add other facets to his game- he's 25, couple more years and he'll be the best in the world in his position- helped by Mikel buying players that complement Rice and the other players as he (Mikel) absolutely understands how to assess players and make them play together at the highest level.
Just for the record i think we'll be seeing Arsenal players switching positions during games a lot more next season because unlike Guardiola who plays in a very regimented way with A leading to B then to C like a game of chess, Arteta, although similar, ultimately wants a cross between that and Hollands "Total Football" of the 70s to make us more unpredictable than Guardiola's sides. I promise you this, in 5 years time Mikel will be talked about being at the same level as Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho, Klopp, and Guardiola. I don't think some fans appreciate how good he really is- without City's cheating and breaking of the rules he'd have 2 league titles by now.
4 trophy less seasons on the bounce...levels loool
Without City's cheating and breaking of the rules he'd have 2 league titles by now
I promise you this, in 5 years time Mikel will be talked about being at the same level as Fergie
Priceless...
Dec is a 6 😂 he’s just not a deep playing midfielder… he’s gattuso, kante esque player
No question, Rice is a special 8. He’s able to overlap and get back. He’s a good passer and winner of the ball around the opposing 18. He’s a physical specimen with his work rate and fitness. Wasted as a defensive minded 6.
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He's both when there's different pieces around him. Nothing more, nothing less.
Has anyone kept their form for England?
Having saka at left back is as stupid as having trust as dm this isn’t football manager smh
James waffled in this video…rice is complete CM which is a plus for us so why worry about what Neville and England think about him as long as he balls for us…James please stop these senseless conspiracies 😂😂
Rice was moved coz he offers more as an 8 n havertz underperformed as an 8
Who cares about Rice and England
Arsenal pay him now!
I’m confident to say Gary Neville is quoting what I said on his post on OneFootball. What he says here is my reply to the post he had put up after the first game of England where he was totally off the mark about why England failed to click. He may not give me credit but he’s taken my point on board.
Rice is not yet an elite no6. I’ve been saying this for a long while now after the season ended. The all the points Arsenal dropped, Rice was playing at no6 for us.
At an advanced level, your number 6 must be able to receive the ball between defenders and have the ability to turn into traffic and face the press and beat it and launch offensive attacks from deep. Once your no6 is celebrated mainly for marking, then you know he’s playing in an average team. Elite teams keep possession and are always recycling ♻️ this possession through the no6 to launch and relaunch attacks, repeatedly probing for weaknesses; and the no6 is the KEY brains 🧠 to do this well and engage everyone!
Simple question; why Did Odegaard drop so drastically in his goal scoring? After registering 15 non penalty goals, Rice came in and failed to recycle ♻️ possession at an elite level that approached Partey and Rodri level. Arteta solved this by dropping Odegaard way too deep because he can receive the ball and turn into traffic and beat the press eloquently.
So by the time he got forward, he was rarely at the end of chances created like the season when he scored 15 goals, he was now 2 -3 passes behind the goals. Look at his stats on chances created, he set a very high record this past season!
People over praise Rice. Failing to see the key players in this Arsenal team. Odegaard Saka Havertz the defenders, Trossard Martinelli. All these guys are fundamentally different and yet linked skillfully into an efficient attacking team by Mikel Arteta.
Rice will one day play no6 because Mikel Arteta is just insanely talented at passing knowledge to players, and Roce is insanely gifted and absolutely very smart and young; but he’s NOT ready to be a leading no6 for Arteta’s Arsenal, YET.
Southgate just exposes this fact far much more with his tactical cluelessness.
As a former professional footballer for one of the biggest clubs in the world, what has Gary Neville ever won or know to have the audacity to question an online American soccer fan eh?
And of course lets also not forget that Mikel Arteta is just insanely talented at passing knowledge to players as shown by the now flourishing talents of Tavares, Marquinos, Kiwior, Vieria, RN, Ramsdale, ESR, Cedric, Nketiah, Zinchenko, Jesus and Lokonga
James, if you recall, when Rice signed for us, Arteta described him as being "the Lighthouse" - a player that platforms his teammates to shine. He is clearly seen as the long term 6 at Arsenal. When Rice said, "as we started to play, Arteta liked me in the 8 because it gave us better balance", I interpreted this as Arteta believing that Havertz at 8 was the root cause of the imbalance NOT Rice playing the 6. I can't believe Gary Neville hasn't realised this.
Furthermore, The Athletic have already reported that Arsenal would prefer to sign an 8 this summer but the market for 8's currently is not great and thus the club have pivoted towards signing another 6. They're simply fastracking next summer's transfer business. Partey and Jorginho contracts end leaving Rice as the only 6 in the squad, so we would have required another 6 in a year anyway. The idea is plain to see: sign another 6 (which we would have had to next summer anyway) and have Rice play the 8 until the market for 8's improves.
This actually makes a lot of sense.
I fancy Rice more as an #8
"Rice is not Rodri or Kroos", erm yeah no shiz, he's English, not Spanish or German. For an Englishman he's very good, it's a bit unfair to compare him to footballers from nations who have a much better footballing pedigree. Like Neville was a decent right back, but he was no Cafu etc.
Like 8 x EPL and 2 x UCL winner Gary Neville was a decent right back, but he was no Cafu etc.
Priceless
I don’t care about England under Southgate. Rice has changed Arsenal whether he is a 6 or an 8, so I care more about his performances for Arsenal….!
Stop panicking James....... Rice said he's happy in either position and the amount of goals/assists he got shows that he's great going forward........ in an 8 position.
James is so wrong here, the answer is obvious…..
Take a look at the first 2 games of the season, Community Shield and Forest…..
He plays in the 8 position in both games, Harvertz starts up front.
BUT you have to stop thinking about 8’s and 6’s with Declan…. in the 8 position he still drops to do his defensive work…he does it all from that position!
Declan is brilliant I love him but he simply doesn’t have the elite level progressive passing, especially against mid-blocks needed for us to take the next step. That’s doesn’t mean I don’t him he can pass he is an excellent passer of the ball but he isn’t an elite play maker like Rodri and we need that badly .
That cluster of games that cost us the title in December, Declan at 6, Kai at 8…..the only reason he played at 6 was because Partey got injured and Mikel didn’t think Jorginho could fill those boots for some reason.
What happened in Dubai, simple Mikel reflected on his midfield selection in December and I suspect regrets it, and realised we will be a far far better team with Jorginho as the deep line playmaker, which he did brilliantly btw and with Declan playing in the 8 box to box role…..
So what happened, Arsenal transformed and we went on an incredible run, we looked effective dominant cohesive, and dangerous, Kai up front made a huge difference.
Mikel ended the season the way he had planned to start it with Partey in the deep line playmaker position and Declan, in the dominating 8 role suppressing teams winning high ball and scoring goals.
Declan is an 8 and that is what Mikel had always intended to play him…..if the 8 position as a title worries you call it a 8:box to box, but I guarantee you Declan will not be our deep line player maker next season!
Another clueless plastic...
DR was moved for pressing reasons.. No?
No Partey No Party.
No more experimenting in this Euro competition pls
Arsenal recruitment strategy is flexibility and adaptability. Most players who do not evolve in this club have either been left out on the bench or shown the exit door.
Its a great observation James, but the solutions are down to the formation and patterns laid down by Arteta.
Nketiah is the dictionary definition of one-dimensional and hasn't been sold. At some point, you have to start signing specialists. Flexibility will only get so far if it's your primary criterion.
@@sperrotta91 I get your point... But that's the reason why he's been listed for sale in the first place. I guess by the time Arteta finalize his pattern of play it would help in finding the right fit.
@@emmanuelunique7789Two-years after being awarded a massive contract and six figure wages, yes.
He’s a 68, deal with it
you know you're good when you can make a 12 minute video from one quote. every team moves players around. this is a normal thing.
You are missing the point James. Declan Rice passes the ball sideways and back, not progressive like Jorginho, Partey, Rodri, etc. That is why you will not see what Gary is saying in the stats. Gary is 100%
RICE 🍚 CAN BE ORGANIC OR HYBRID EITHER WAY RICE IS NICE
Rice can’t dictate a game as he doesn’t pass through the lines enough - he has the ability to but he plays it safe too much.
Change this and he becomes the best 6 in the world.
Walcott couldn’t do what Ronaldinho could do on the ball. If he could change this, he would be one of the best player in football history.
Bro how is onana help arsenal to overcome city, we need better
Wrighty wants what's best for England,
Wrighty says whatever people pay him to say
overthinking i reckon mate
I don’t get the concern here
Arteta likes versatile players for a reason, Rice and Havertz playing in different positions was a reason we bought them not just to play in one position.
So why did he buy Cedric, Vieria, Willian, Ramsdale, Tavares and Lokonga?
Ramsdale could have done a job at inverted LB just never got the chance @SteveBarrow-lp2ns
@@AussieGooner14 I'm guessing you're from Adelaide or Redfern...
@@SteveBarrow-lp2nsask stupid questions u get stupid answers. Jesus, Zinny, Timber, White, Tomi, Trossard, Havertz, Kiwior n Rice. Our bigger n more recent signings are all versitile.
@@AussieGooner14 And have all won nothing under Arteta..Genius xx
Southgate Tactics are shit
Rice supposed to be xhaka replacement. but partey injured
Partey injured?? Wow, who saw that coming?
The only lack of clarity displayed so far wis from pundits who haven’t yet matured to give Mikel Arteta the respect he deserves.
Arterta’s proven to be elite at problem solving. The idea that Arsenal lack clarity of some sort in this window is so laughable! Really?
People have tried to fabricate so many “credible links” about possible targets and they keep changing daily with time, and they think Arteta is like them!
No. Mikel Arteta Edu Garlick know for so many months now who their target is. It’s set in stone and those ta gets are slowly being pulled in.
Myself, am so happy with all the delays. Pep Guardiola MUST make the first move. If we buy ALL our new players players BEFORE him, we are doomed to fail to compete with him again! He’ll immediately know how to neutralize that.
So if you don’t want stress, don’t believe anything you hear about targets now. Just enjoy it to pass time.
So much is at stake this window. Arterta’s plans are top secret! Air tight like never before this season. And he wants to see the key signings of City before moving with his. But all the targets are already known and briefed…it’s now mental games!
Who blinks first!
27 signings and not one of them has won anything under him
4 LBs who can't stay fit for a week
5 GKs and not one of them anywhere near as good as the one he sold
Sign more injury prone players to replace the previous injury prone players he bought
Arterta’s proven to be elite at problem solving
Stick to baseball and the NFL....
Love Declan and can’t stand Neville, but showing pass percentile to prove he makes forwards passes is disingenuous. Show the pass maps and you’ll see exactly what he was saying. Declan is great at keeping possession and making the safe pass not progressing the ball with forward passes.
What does 8 x EPL and 2 x UCL winner Gary Neville know about football compared to someone who knows How To Make Sugar Rockets eh?
@@MickDarcy lol fair play. Typically I think Neville lets his Manchester bias get in the way of fair analysis towards Arsenal or Arsenal players, but he’s spot on here.
@@danilohm The fact is 8 x EPL and 2 x UCL winner Gary Neville along with 98% of English fans absolutely hates Arsenal
@@MickDarcy yes we’ve established what Gary Neville has won, and as an Arsenal fan for the last 18 years I’m well aware most English football fans hate Arsenal, Gary Neville included. That said when you’re in the media you’re supposed to check your biases at the door and be professional. He’s capable of doing it with Manchester City, Chelsea and Liverpool (all clubs he hates as well) but when it comes to Arsenal most times you can tell he gets flashbacks of trying to defend Henry. But again I’m agreeing his point here is spot on.
@@danilohm Arsenak fan for last 18 years lol 😅
The questuon is, of all the clubs to pretend to support, why didn't u choose a big UCL winning one?
Rice is a 6, who can make runs forward...je is not an 8...we.lack crarovry with him in that role.
We urgently need Eze
To replace who? Ghostagaard?
Rice is good as a 8, but he can be world class as a 6.
anyone with half a brain knows partey is a better 6 then rice. if partey leaves we need to sign a first 11 no.6
As always, very good content bro