Rider who quit RETURNS!
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2024
- In this video, I'll show you a rider who quit halfway through my Ride Like a Pro Class a few weeks ago. In the past, riders that quit never came back. But, this rider was different, he returned on 2-10-24 for a private lesson. Here are the results of that private class.
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Good on him for coming back. Can't fault him for continuing to try.
If you don’t quit you can’t fail.
your student is lucky to have such a qualified teacher . ~ JDS/CT
It's great that he came back. At least he now knows what he needs to work on.
Jerry, I take my hat off to you for the compassion, determination and patience you show for the many different types of riders who come to you for help. You never give up and always see the best in people and their potential. Your understanding of people's different needs and/or limitations is just amazing, but you are also not afraid to let them know when you think that riding is just not for them. I truly hope that this gentleman finds his way, safely, and that his stumbling block is psychological rather than neurological/physiological, and can be overcome. I wish him all the best. Cheers and best wishes from Oz.
I want to commend the gentleman for coming back. Actually really proud of him for seeking your training. That being said, if he can’t even ride a bike and having a hard time doing these basic courses, he needs to quit riding. He is definitely not safe being on the road on two wheels.
I don't think he needs to quit, but he should definitely be starting on that bicycle. When I took a class they asked who knew how to ride a bicycle, and if you didn't they told you to leave, you have no business on a motorcycle if you can't handle a bicycle.
@@user-jl8yy5ir7sThe sad part about your statement is that brain tissue cannot be “regrown.” Motorman gave him the only 2 options available to him: a) Go back and practice with a bicycle and/or smaller motorcycle and work on improvement, or, b) Give up riding motorcycles. This rider is already operating with a deficit. After 4+ hours of training with a professional Instructor, and not seeing noticeable improvement, he needs to give up the idea of riding a motorcycle. He is a danger to himself and to others with his current lack of skills.
Thanks for taking the time with this student Motorman. And thanks for the update on his return. It is another lesson to us all that sometimes, even with the very best instruction, you may not possess the necessary skills to operate a motorcycle SAFELY. THIS IS THE KEY. This rider needs to consider others with whom he is sharing the road.
says the harley rider ....
maybe if more harley riders could actually ride a track
but you dont tell some one who has more money then sense they cant buy a toy because its not safe for em and still expect to earn a living yourself
What a trooper for coming back. #applause#
Can't fault that.
Such a shame he's struggling with right turns , especially if it's neurological.
its ALWAYS neurological
fear is pure neurology
I meant if it’s the result of a neurological injury - like a stroke.
A bit of tough love at the end. Telling him to go back to the Harley dealer class and try a 300 or 500 cc bike in the class and if he can't pass on that then he should reconsider riding two wheels. Good for you for telling him straight up.
I give this gentleman all the credit in the world for pulling up his boots and continuing to try. Sometimes a reset is in order and what works for some people may not work for others. I think if he gets pads and the smallest motorized bike (pedals suck, everybody knows that) and is willing to fall over a few times, he can re-train that brain and we'll see a skilled rider at the end of this. I hope he keeps it up.
Letting go of a passion is difficult. But some time at the expense of safety, unfortunately it is a must. I hope he continues to practice and improve.
I was in the original small class and was so glad to see him return !! The rider's perseverance is to be commended. Bottom line is about raising our skill level so we are safe.
I wish him the best. Not everybody is cut out yo be a competent, safe big bike rider. The fact that he couldn't even navigate the course on a bicycle really says it all. IMHO
He didn't try the course on the bicycle. He told me it had been too many years since he rode a bicycle so he didn't want to try it.
@@motorman857One who can't rid a bicycle has no business on a motorcycle. Unless it is due to the fact they are physically impaired so they can't peddle.
Yep good on him...hope he takes your advice. Great video Jerry, Thank you!
Good for him for coming back and trying again. It may be after a stroke he just does not have the physical ability to turn to the right. which is unfortunate. Hope he figures it out.
Kudos for returning, keep at it
Trust the machine! Glad he came back. It just keeps building confidence.
If it all comes back to that stroke injury, then he can probably train his brain to process good turns. Bro, if you're out there reading comments, get yourself a bicycle & riding gear. Get out there and train your brain to process this stuff. You've made it this far, you know now what you need to work on, so there's nothing left but to do it. Don't give up just yet.
This rider ran into the right instructor meeting you. Good on him for coming back and doing so much work.
I'm glad that he came back. I love the determination.
glad he came back and you narrowed down his issue
An entry level bike is a 50cc moped, try that and iron out your mistakes, then work up to a 300cc, This mentality of considering 600lbs and 800cc an ‘Entry level’ bike is where it’s all wrong…Jerry is an amazing instructor, love his style it’s raw and honest!
I'm glad he came back and I hope the best for him but if he can't get it then I hope he gives it up before something bad happens out on the street. No shame in that.
Great work on both teacher and student.
Thank you!
Wow Jerry that is fantastic he did great.
I sold my 2011 roadking was to heavy to reverse park for me at 135lb an 6ft tall, had it 2 yrs, went back to riding my kawasaki vulcan 900, similar style easier to di everything, thanks for making your videos
Good on you for giving him another crack at it. I went riding with a 25 year old new rider that had never ridden a bicycle. He had a brand new GSX R600 and thankfully full equipment. Long story short, he totaled that bike that day.
@@user-jl8yy5ir7s Because of hockey pucks like certain infamous UA-cam hooligan riders. They were inspired to buy a bike that is way beyond their chops because they want to become the next UA-cam famous hooligan rider. It doesn't end well for the vast majority of them. I have a good friend who has zero experience on bicycles and wants to buy a BMW S1000RR. I've tried being sensible with him. Other friends of mine, who are MSF instructors, have tried talking some sense into him. He will not listen.
This squid learned the hard way. Guy bought his Ninja 400 the same day and wrecked it. Only gear he had on was his helmet. You'll notice the curve he botched is so rudimentary even Stevie Wonder can handle it.
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This was his first bike. Normally I will not ride with any novice riders but another friend, who knew I go out for 300 mile days, told me the kid was respectful and would just ride behind me and follow my lead. I had a talk with him telling him to stay behind me and that we would do nothing crazy, just get some seat time for him. Just cruise. So I used my Kawasaki police bike for the "easy ride". Everything was going well on the back roads then he pulled up beside me at a stop sign and asked if I would pick up the pace. So I told him "why don’t you lead for a while" ( we were on country back roads with no other traffic). Well, feeling confident, he took off like Valentino Rossi on the straight, panicked in a tight left hander, went into the shoulder, laid 'er down, and it flipped a few times with all the shiny plastics flying in the air. He luckily stopped two feet short of a four foot diameter tree.
I still see him standing there in his brand new one piece leather suit and racing boots. All pissed off but completely unharmed.
And lucky I had the KZP. A neighbor who had witnessed the crash leant us duct tape and bailing wire. I tied all his dangling pieces and packed the rest on my bike. Needless to say he rode very slowly on the hundred miles home.
I told him to get a middle weight naked bike and take some lessons.
I never saw him again.
I agree, just because you are older now and can afford that dream bike does not mean you can ride it.... I always tell people you are better off riding a dirt bike for awhile first THEN get a street bike, not to mention a good back ground on bicycles... you learn to ride the bike not the bike riding you.... when younger learning to slide, wheelie ect. will get rid of that fear. It must be so much harder when you are older to develop those skills...@@user-jl8yy5ir7s
Crazy..... right ?@@XxGyromancerXx
I wish him continued perseverance. Be safe out there and _*keep practicing*_.
Keep trying buddy, it's only fear and you have nothing to fear but fear itself.
“He looks straight, and he went straight!” Lmao 😂😂😂
Nothing to laugh about, that's what it is for all riders. Without turning your head, you won't make a proper turn.
Not laughing at the rider just like to laugh at motorman’s humor in his videos
@@AlexErides I wasn't being humorous. I was giving a warning to viewers. If you look straight while turning, the bike will go straight, instead of turning.
Another gr8 show of your patience and professionalism when spending time.e with fellow riders that just need a different approach on riding..gd luck to the guy hope he comes bk and does gd.
Good coaching Gerry hope he gets the turns figured out glad he came back for a private lesson . thanks for sharing
Good for him! I knew he’d be back! It just takes practice! Keep going, brother! Keep pushing!👍🏽
I admire him for coming back. I'm glad that he's not living in a country that drives on the left of the road like New Zealand, Australia (where I'm living in) or Singapore (where I'm from). We do right hand u-turns there.
motor man you are the BEST I have learned so much from your videos
Massive *COMPLIMENTS* to this bloke 👍
Having attend your training via a DVD for years then making it out from the far left coast to Florida to attend in person you are a master of instruction. Your advice is solid - I feel this person can make it but he has to learn to ride that bicycle again. And do the drills just like my old original DVD. Best of luck to him but he needs time and practice.
I applaud him for giving it another shot. I hope he can figure out whatever his problem is. Sadly, he is one of many, many riders that have not gained the ability to effectively and safely ride on the road. I am not a pro by any stretch and may not even have the skills to make a quick assumption, but I try and practice slow speeds and turns, especially right after I bring my bike out of hibernation.
Maybe he would be better off trying to buy a trike? I've never been on one and have no idea how much different they are, but if it's easier to handle, especially if he is suffering from his stroke it may be a better option.
Nothing is ever easy ! Ride Safe ! Peace
Good for him! I hope he puts in the practice and doesn’t let this stop him!
Good for him on returning to try it again. He was making a little progress until fatigue set in. Short practice sessions on a daily basis might work best for him to develop confidence & consistency.
God bless you Jerry!
That is a tough conversation to have with a grown man. People hardly have humility to save face or pride or embarrassment.
You said (at 1:15), "We need a lot more swing and sway." Whenever you say that, and whenever I see you and your students do these maneuvers so perfectly, it reminds me of the Kevin Costner movie Dances with Wolves, but with the name changed to "Dances With Motorcycles!" That's what it reminds me of when your videos show the swing and sway done so gracefully. Thanks for your videos and help.
Here's actual dancing on a motorcycle ua-cam.com/video/rD3vvaDNOtI/v-deo.html
Good job 👏
Circle drills are the BEST.
Great that the rider came back, but not good he carnt do right turns and then got worse again on left hand turns. As you said Jerry he would get killed on the road if you carnt do right hand turns. Yes agree he needs to do a basic beginners low cc bike course again and go from there. Ps When I had a high speed motorcycle accident years ago landing seriously on my right side, it took me years before I was confident to learn over as much to the right. But eventually I got there again.
That’s great that he’s trying! My father in law had a stroke years ago.. he can hardly walk straight now. He says he still has numbness on his right side also.. and when it’s cloudy it’s especially difficult for him get around.
I’ve also talked to people who was wheelchair bound because of the stroke.. but they overcame it by lots of exercises.. I guess it’s about how you feel and how much effort you’re willing to put to put in
You can do it Homie...
I'm glad he came back.
Yeah, things have to be balanced. If you can only do it "left" practice til you can do it "right" also.
marcus
PS, thanks for being patient with him, Motorman; great work!
Color me "not surprised" because it is almost certainly true that you had reasons to expect he'd return. One piece of advice that even the wisest person (you) can learn from the least wise person (Yours Truly) and that is to avoid situations where your student will feel he has been humiliated or has humiliated himself. Fear of failure and humiliation (from self or others) is a powerful disincentive and will cause the best of us to quit. As Obi Wan said:' NO TRY, DO OR DON'T DO," but if you can't "DO" without embarrassment, you don't even try.
Been riding since I was 10 years old. I'm in my 60's now. About 2 years ago, I decided to take a break from riding after knee surgery which caused me to question my confidence, especially when riding a 900 pound bike. This was not an easy decision. This was a great video. I hope the gentleman looks hard in the mirror and makes the right decision. Safety is most important.
"A man's got to know his limitations"
- Harry Callahan
I know where you're coming from. I had my right knee replaced 12 months ago, and my riding confidence has taken a big hit (I ride a Victory Vegas 8-Ball). But I am determined to get back where I need to be, bit by bit, however long it takes. Step by step by step... Cheers from Oz 👍🇦🇺
I am wondering if the angled lines may be contributing to some degree his difficulties. He may need some medical testing to see where his equilibrium might be letting him down. Love the fact he came back to try again.
The lines have nothing to do with anything.
I agree the lines could be contributing to his equilibrium be off
@@Boeing767DriverAA nonesense.
I'm so glad to see him come back, GOOD FOR HIM!!! It's easy to quit. Hey, maybe a 2-wheeler is a no go due to his medical history, but no need to give up on dreams. Maybe a trike is the best option. I've seen some reall nice trikes out there. That's what I'll be looking at when I can't do a two-wheeler anymore.
Hopefully with all the training he received. He will work on the right turns on his own. I complement him coming back to try again.
That right u turn thing might be more mental than physical. I encountered it in my MSF course. Took me a while to realize what was going on, and when I figured it out I still couldn’t overide the sensation to push out on my right handlebar as soon as my elbow would come close to my rib area (guarded that area for a year due to a nasty fracture).
Anyway I ended up dipping my elbow to the waist area instead and problem solved. Hopefully he can figure it out, but props to him for continuing to try regardless.
you as an instuctor may want to invest in a few XR150L so that the cruiser riders with the low Center of Gravity bikes can feel what it feels like to actually LEAN a motor cycle with out hitting pegs
and do remember to adjust the sprockets on the dualsport
so glad he came back
give him options to continue riding
I know what it’s like to have an issue where he has trouble going a certain way. I’m blind in my right eye and a new rider so I practice more to the right. If he could lose some of his anxiety. Practice and practice more. So far I’ve got my weaves down to 18 feet and u-turns to 24. Buy some cones and practice. I did and practice as much as possible. I wish this guy the best at getting over his fears and seeks out more training and practices on his own. None of us are done learning and nobody knows it all. Well maybe Jerry lol
I wonder if it's a grip and chest peck muscle issue from the stroke.
Props to both of you for giving it another go. I had someone fail my MSF course when I was in it and they decided riding wasn't for them that day.
Poor Guy...I feel sorry for him...I think that Stroke he had affected rightside balance...I think thats why he took this course after years of riding...He knows he lost his balance
The beard fits you very well Jerry. 👍
This video came at the right time. I fell off a Honda Rebel 300 during my first class in September. Had anxiety and thinking to quit. I came back for my next class in February because I cannot refund the 300+ that I paid and I really want to ride a big bike (eventhough the instructor voiced her worries of my petite body).
The instructor advised me to ride on a small bike first before they are confident (and I’m confident)to put me on a bigger bike
A big bike takes practice and requires a different approach with the controls. "If you have never ridden a big bike before then I guarantee that you will drop it."
good for him...well done
Progress doesn't always comes in a day, thanks.
Sometimes I take a bicycle out for figure eights and other low speed drills just because it’s fun. I don’t know if it’s good exercise or not but it is exhausting
Great, I hope he practices a lot too.
why do these new riders think they should start on a 700lb+ moto? clearly the priority on thier list is a harley jacket
If they're new they can't know the difference in feel.
@@olog222 But it is common sense that a lighter bike will be easier to maneuver. If they don't have that level of common sense, they have no business being on a bike. This cat couldn't even ride a bicycle. how the hell do you expect him to ride any motorcycle competently.
He's not a new rider. Been riding for years.
You're doing the Lord's work!
To initiate a turn to the right, say, the bike needs to fall to the right. But it's a controlled fall. The bike balances itself in the lean so long as you maintain a little forward speed. I think it's that falling sensation that scares people, which makes them want to keep the bike vertical.
It's the same with walking: To walk forwards from a standstill, you have to do a little forward fall first, but then your feet move forward to balance you. In general, people are not scared of walking because that's a controlled fall. (Assuming that is they don't have a movement disorder such as Parkinson's.)
I think it's helpful to be very deliberate with your steering inputs and understand that you are initiating a fall. Now you are in control, and it's not just something that is happening to you.
There are no motorcycle courses where I live. To get to a motorcycle safety course requires an airliner. I would take one if I could. I grew up riding a ten speed and could ride it like a bird flies. When I started riding motorcycle experienced riders told me I rode like I had ridden for decades. I believe it's from my time on bicycles. I recommend to anyone that wants to start riding a motorcycle get rally great on a bicycle first. Ride it like it's a part of you. Then if possible take a motorcycle course.
My dad rides at 81 year's old, i get worried, i dont know when hes gonna hang up the helmet.
My Dad rode until he was about 83 or 84. He stopped riding when he started having some health issues around 85. ua-cam.com/video/2AditWTaciE/v-deo.html
Good for your Dad love him while you have him. Ride safe brother.
Kind of heart breaking.
I hope he keeps at it. Only asking but would it help some riders in class only to wear side blinders so they would be a little more forced to turn there head?
Chem trail city.
Laid out like a checkerboard!
Wow it must be really distressing for this guy to come back and still not be able to do a basi c turn 100% for effort but you might be right about thinking about his riding career before it is too late as i said before you got the patience of a saint motorman .
Sometimes it also has to do with the type of handle bars as to the position of your hand on the throttle and clutch with the bars turned.
So glad he came back. I’m thinking more of a three-wheeled trike motorcycle. Could he practice with that?
Practicing on 3 wheels doesn't help to ride 2 wheels.
He never quit... he just rested for a while...
He’s on the rebound.
I would like to see a chopper class with longer front ends.
Would this be a good point to give a trike a shot?
Wow I have the same problem with my right hand turns. I should say I had the same problem. I practiced at the local collage parking lot and I am a lot better at my right turns now. I ride a Road King Special. He might consider trading in his bike for a trick. I am 63 years old and not that I am to old for a bike but I am considering trading in my bike for a RG3. Tricks are actually a lot of fun and I think the RG3 looks cool and is so much fun to ride. Just a thought.
You can't knock a fellow for giving it a red hot go. While I think that it's good advice for this particular rider to hone his skills on a smaller machine, I'd actually like to see him have a chat to his doctor about his experience and perhaps even an optometrist. I have quite a dominant left eye. Even though I'm right handed, I kick a ball with my left foot (naturally) and I shoot left handed.
If I still had to say I was better at turning a bike one way or the other, it would have to be to the left, too. It was certainly the case when I was a kid doing "skids" on a pushbike, and I
remember it being an easier turn when I learned to ride a motor bike.
While I was watching this video, I performed a quick self test and discovered that either my peripheral vision is much better in my left eye than my right and/or I might have a muscular or skeletal condition that allows my head to rotate more to the left. Either way, I see left better than I do right. And we all know what that means on a bike.
If this guy is like me but with an exacerbated condition, that just might be the answer.
is this the first time you ever had a rider not really complete the course? But, I give him props for trying again.
No, it's happened several times thru the years.
How did he get his motorcycle licence?
I don't know that I'd have as much patience as you, but that's why you're the instructor and I'm not. The stroke must be playing a role for this guy.
Maybe. But I've had riders with the same problem that never had a stroke. They just had a high fear of leaning.
I need a lesson got my first bike 🏍️ few months ago
You mentioned he has a stroke that affected his right side of his body. This student may need to start strength training to build his upper body strength and continue to practice on his motorcycle but not taking it out live until his right turns improves.
Just an observation. If he's reading these comments. Get some cones or even red plastic cups and set them out. Practice by yourself with nobody around. Maybe part of the problem is that he knows someone is watching him which makes him nervous. Give it a try.
Thats cool
I agree with you, start on a smaller bike, then move up, especially if youre older person...
I do wish we could hear your actual instructions to him, I'm sure it would help understand what's going on out there
What you hear in the voice over is exactly what I told him during the class.
I admire the guy for returning.
But did he actually ride his HD on the street to get to your lessons or was it brought on a trailer?
He rode it 150 miles round trip to get to the class and back.
@motorman857 Thanks Jerry. That's a really scary fact. Maybe he set off in the opposite direction to where he was heading, so that he made nothing but left turns all of the way to his destination. 🤷♂️
Do you in the US have separate Drivers License for Motorbikes? Here in Europe you have to pass an extra Driving Test before beeing allowed to ride a Bike.
Right hand tight turns at slow speed are harder for me, too, than left turns. I think that means my left brain is toast, lol.
Is the motorcycle licence test in the States very easy to obtain?
Here in the U.K. you wouldn’t get a licence without the ability to demonstrate a slow manoeuvre (left & right turns included) skill set.
The test varies by state. He passed the basic course many years ago before the stroke.
Maybe the state needs to re-test him. He's definitely not safe to be on the road
Good for him!! I think buy a cheap 125 cc dirt bike. Take in on a dirt oval and run it in circles clockwise for a few hours. flat track boots optional.
I had him run a dozen big circles. His circles were about 250 feet and never got smaller.
Jerry, is your course only for baggers or for any kind of motorcycle?
All motorcycles.
After that video you did on him a couple of weeks ago he maybe felt like he didn’t have a choice but to come back. At this point he is more than likely a candidate for three wheels and going to
With me, holding the throttle steady is easier when i turn left than when i make a right. Could that be his issue?
No.
I ride with a group of guys, and I am usually the youngest rider. An 80 year old lifetime rider with many bikes. KTM adventure bike, Ducati's, BMW's Road King, you name it. He mentioned doing Florida to the Arctic this year or next for his third or fourth time!
A few in their mid 80's, on everything from Burgmans to 4 cylinder sport bikes.
I'm 74 and ride an Ultra, a BMW GS, and a Hayabusa. South Florida of course.
4:59 If he had a stroke, he should get a trike harley instead. I think all these riders who have problems turning and leaning motorcycles and they just can never learn to do it, i think they need a trike.
Hi Jerry,could you please explain? I understand turning your head,looking over your shoulder i don't understand?
It just means, get your head turned as far as possible. Since your hands follow your head and eyes, the bike will go where you are looking.
Thankyou for replying I love your vids you have always explained the different situations in a laymans terms.
You have to focus on where you want to go. If you are not focused, then you are not really in control of what you are doing.
I applaud him for trying, but not being able to turn right from an intersection and stay in your lane is one of the most basic skill requirements, and is an extreme danger to him and others. I feel bad if he has an impairment, perhaps he should try a trike, Can Am, or even a Slingshot.