In regards to the Magnus Effect, there are actually guns that use this effect to curve bullets, but you won’t be stopping any bad guys with them, as they are Airsoft/Softair guns! Airsoft guns are equipped with a “hop-up” system that imparts a backspin on the spherical bullets to extend the range of these low-velocity guns. If you adjust the hop-up system to an extreme setting you can definitely curve some bullets over short distances, horizontally if you rotate the gun 90°!
Paintball's been doing the same thing for decades, Tippmann's flatline barrel puts a backspin on the ball by curving the barrel. You can turn the gun on it's side or a lot of time the projectile curves to one side or the other unpredictably. A cute gimmick but very inaccurate.
@@xToddmcxyea. A paintball curve quitite a lot. If the barrel was slightly curved one could make it relaiably follow the dame tryectory and spim ebery time. I have thought about this prior but the main use tp make it curve upwards to compensate for gravity making it more accurate. Long distance shooting with paintball just dont work othervice.
Yeah I was thinking about this the whole video. Like cmon man, we curve bbs all the time, and they go relatively fast...280-400 fps. A musket ball from a pistol will only be doing twice that, roughly 800-900 fps. Though I think density is the main issue here. BB's are very light for their size. Musket balls are very heavy for their size. Buuut you can put a faster spin on a projectile that's moving faster. Spin rate of a projectile is a function of "twist rate" multiplied by velocity. For instance a barrel with a 1 in 7 twist will spin a bullet one rotation for each 7 inches it travels. A bullet traveling 900 fps out of such a barrel will spin at 92,571 rpm. ((900*12)/7)*60=92,571 A Airsoft hopper only gets about 1000 RPM. Surely that difference in RPM can at least partly overcome the difference in density/speed of the bullet.
Yet it is more accurate with airsoft guns when you bend it on one side. Sometimes players are using that for advantage. Of course it does not go with very sharp arc but yet it may help to hit targets behind the obstacles with some distance from the obstacle.
Despite its incredible ability at curving bullets, Gravity is not a good agent for "The Fraternity" (name of the secret society in the movie Wanted) : it has been responsible for way too many human deaths since Humanity exists, and it doesn't even need bullets to do that. A great amount of humans are scared of it. We should tell this "secret" agent to be more diplomatic
But you need some kind of way to affect the path like the fins the Excalibur artillery shell uses. So you'd have to give up rifling. Not saying it's impossible just pretty impractical. Though I guess there could be some kind of mechanism I haven't thought of but it's unlikely to be useful at small arms range.
@@petergerdes1094The problem was already solved in EXACTO project by DARPA, specifically for rifle-calibre bullets. Those use a cluster of electromagnetically actuated microfins and a microcontroller to time their actuation in sync with bullet rotation. Sadly, project was way too expensive per bullet back then (a few years ago) and postponed until technological progress would allow to reduce unit cost.
@ Interesting, didn't know they had solved it. I guess it only really might make sense for sniper applications but on reflection that could be worth it.
@@petergerdes1094 if you've got fins and reaction control systems, what do you need rifling for? The primary purpose of rifling is to ensure the bullet doesn't wobble, so it doesn't get unnecessarily slowed by air resistance or get pulled off target by uneven resistance. But if your round is guided, those issues are covered.
I remember the Mythbusters episode and remember being so disappointed that they did go into the Magnus effect as much as I had hoped, nor did they attempt to rig the robot to do anything other than actuate from right to left, and didn't try stimulating any other theoretical arm motions.
@DebunkedOfficial way beyond my expectations! I subscribed and dinged before the video was over. Great writer and host, and as an engineer and physicist I found the content comprehensive. As an educator, I want to give a special shout to your graphics/viz and editing aa well! It was also brilliantly presented 💡
Yes, I think curving your shots are entirely possible. But you're gonna have to stop shooting bullets and start using musket balls. If baseballs and pingpong balls can be curved, surely it is possible to make a gun that spins the musket ball so that it takes a curved path.
Awesome video, and this is not a nitpick but a light-hearted curiosity regarding the stock imagery at 6:49 - I'm trying to figure out what we are looking at because it's not the rifling inside a barrel... A) The rifling would be slots or flats not ridges B) The end of the barrel would not be a clearly smaller diameter that the rifling itself C) That is super aggressive rotation, like if that was a pistol barrel then we're taking a twist every 2 inches, not a twist every ~10 inches like a glock , and D) There's no such an obvious port on the side of the barrel, even with gas action rifles like the AK or AR pattern rifles. This is either another part of a gun (that I don't recognize) like the receiver housing of a gun that has a a bolt that rotates as it moved into battery... Or it is the interior of a completely unrelated item such as the body of a a fluid valve. Again, not a criticism... That clip just caught my eye and won't let go. :-) Great content - Subscribed.
3:03 The gun barrel exerts a force against the side of the bullet, imparting horizontal velocity to the bullet. Then, when the bullet leaves the barrel, no more sideways forces act on the bullet at all, so the bullet should travel in a tangent to its original motion instead of shooting straight from the barrel. That said, the sideways velocity with which a human hand can move the gun is insignificant compared to the speed of the bullet firing straight under normal conditions, so nothing above would be noticeable anyway.
9:36. How about firing a cannonball? There is plenty of area for the Magnus force to affect, and also make the ball out of a low-density material, but impact resistant, so that it does not shatter into pieces when fired.
12:20 The explanation for "Coriolis Drift" is incorrect: 1. The animation shows earth spinning east to west, when it actually spins west to east 2. The effect happens because a bullet fired to the north is moving faster in the east direction than a target up north, because the latitude circle is bigger closer to the equator. So this would lead to a deflection to the east, or right.
9:44 So, we want to shot like in Wanted movie, we need smooth-bore black-powder handgun that fire sub-sonic spherical bullet and spin at about 100,000+ rpm.
I know I'm late, as usual, but this is another interesting and wonderful video. My immediate answer was, "No, you can't curve a bullet because they're small and fast." 😂 That was just a logical response, knowing the basics of physics. I'm glad I had the fundamentals. Also: "NFL ball" cracked me up. Good call on that one. 😂
Take a look into "Homing" bullets. They exist and change directory mid flight to hit moving targets. It's an experimental program, so as far as I know, not yet fielded; but it's amazing to see the test footage of these things in action...
Actually you can see a Magnus effect on bullets fired at very far away. For example on my rifle the bullet deviates 1cm to the right after flying 200 meters 2 cm and flying 300 meters, 1 meter to the right after flying from 1000 meters. The bullet always deviates in the direction of rifling, but the effect is only going to be significantly noticeable after about 500-600 meters of flying
@@DebunkedOfficial There are number of players thatr can shoot way above 130km/h. It's actually missed opportunity to not show the Roberto Carlos free kick from 1997 as an example of curved shot
@@notjustforme no need special arrows, the technique is to bend the cord while arming, i saw some videos on yt of a famous archery Master performing this stunt... take a look its worth it
There's one more effect that applies at really long distances: The Earth's curvature. Earth's resemblance to a sphere is most noticeable if you can see most of the horizon from a single point high in the atmosphere (like a big mountain or a high-flying aircraft) or from something like a space station. Take a Flat-Earther to space and then tell them to look out a window.
Military did create a bullet which can curve: it is basically a minimised missile that can steer itself. Even that bullet can't make a curve as sharp as the movie depicts.
You forgot one thing, for I have seen 'bullets' being curved, and that was when I played paintball with cheap equipment and incorrect pressure. I could see the bullet (ball) fly away in a corkscrew path. I do not know why, but we also did buy the cheapest balls that had different colors on each hemisphere and a slight edge where they were put together. My guess is the Magnus effect in combination with irrational spinning.
Bullets do have a Magnus effect. Sometimes. When there's a crosswind, the wind will interact with the top and bottom of the rotating bullet. So a gun with right handed rifling and a left-right crosswind (or left handed rifling and a right-left crosswind) will experience a slight lift. Precision rifle calculators will take the twist rate (usually expressed as how many inches long one full rotation is) and the direction of the rifling into account and use that and the wind to provide more accurate hold values.
You guys are FREAKIN' LEGENDS, for including some of the old Chow Yun Fat movies from the 90s!!!! Man, that guy had more bad-guy blood on his hands, than John Woo could ever dream of!!! John Wick hopes to be like Chow Yun Fat when he grows up! Not only was he "Da Man," he also made it incredibly cool to be Asian!! Or, he possibly inspired a lot of envy towards Asians...
At extreme speeds an area of low pressure forms just inside the tip of the barrel due to centrifugal force. This phenomenon was not explored in any tests because the devices used were artificially inadequate. According to the laws you mentioned, at a fast enough speed the entire barrel would become a vacuum and it leads to all sorts of possibilities in altering the final trajectory when the projectile arrives at a higher pressure zone.
Demolition Ranch channel fired different calibers through pvc tubing with many twists and turns. Depending on the load the rounds followed the path and struck the target.
There's one scenario not being considered, what about "propeller bullets?" Not a literal propeller, but some sort of significant grooves built into the front end of the bullet that are arranged in such a way that they "kick" more air toward one side than the other, a sort of exaggerated version of that "spindrift." It would probably reduce speed and might be too uncontrollable, but I think there would be potential there to cause a normal bullet at normal ranges to go several feet off course in a hopefully predictable way.
John Cleese has a rant about football and "soccer". It's very short. I recommend watching it before applying normal words like "ball" to that game that Americans, for some inexplicable reason, call "football".
Ordinary bullets are quite heavy by design. A light wait slightly larger spherical bullet should do the trick. I'd suggest something like the nanocoated Ping-Pong balls Integra produces, only about half the size. The spin can be achieved by leaving a rough surface on one side on the inside of the barrel.
I've always wondered if you could overcome the forward motion of the bullet by simply swinging the gun faster than the bullets speed. It would stand to reason that you could overcome a force with a greater force, so by swinging the gun at 1,500 feet per second or so, you could potentially cause the bullet to behave in an less predictable way.
If you had a smoothbore barrel and you machined half of the inside to have a rough textured surface, you could induce musket balls to spin using the Magnus Effect. However, I don't think that there would be any way of controlling or even of predicting the direction of the spin and thus the curve of the musketball...
In other words: guns are designed specifically to prevent this sort of bullet curving in order to make shooting at a target as... well, as straightforward as possible.
Have you considered the extreme case of the apfsds sabot? These objects take a very curved path even though they detach from a projectile moving at nearly 2km/s.
You could curve bullets with magnets. With regular bullets, it would be very weak, only bending the trajectory with the magnetic equivalent of tidal drag (the closer part of the bullet being slowed down more than the farther part) But if someone was shooting steel bullets, they would be attracted to the magnet and curve around it.
It's not impossible. The gun or bullet could have an accelerometer that detects the movement before firing and then programs the trajectory in to the bullet which it then carriers out via fins/weights/whatever to make the bullet follow that path (ie. a guided bullet). These do exist in larger shells but there is no reason it couldn't be implemented in a handheld firearm. It would be impractical with current technology but not outright impossible.
the texture of the surface is likely to have more of an effect on the surve than the speed of the bullet (not withstanding travel time and the exponential compounding of the deviation of flight path, compared to 'straight'. According to me... rougher surface = more magnus effect, surely (without me researching it.. but not stated in this video).
I think swinging a gun still imparts speed to a bullet but trajectory still would be straight, just not in line with the barrel, and to even be able to notice that effect bullet should be moving with comparable speeds to muzzle velocity, gun should move sideways at speeds comparable to speed of sound. At speed that human can swing it or twice that you probably would not be able to measure a difference(trajectory still would be straight anyway, even if not in line with a barrel).
If I were to get a gun and point it sideways, that would trick gravity into thinking the bullet is going down when it is really going sideways. It is, in fact, possible to curve a bullet sideways.
i think if you charge the bullet to a very high static voltage(near 1000000v like a lightning) it will be attracted to any grounded surfaces near it so it will bend
Actually moving the gun barrel while shooting DOES affect the bullet. Its stated in the laws. A body in motion stays in motion. The reason it doesnt look like it works is due to movements at dufferent speeds. How fast can you seing the barrel? 10 miles or km /hour. 20? 30? The bullet is traveling 1,000 miles / hour. In other words the bullet is going forward so much faster than the swing the change is negligible.
It also doesn't curve in the air. It curves at the moment it leaves the barrel. What happens is that the speed forward and sideways add up at that moment, but the bullet then still travels in straight line afterwards.
Yeah, if the arm was swinging at an appreciable fraction of the speed imparted by the charge, it would have an appreciable impact on the trajectory of the bullet. It would alter the direction of travel. But the bullet would still travel along that vector in a straight line from there(barring the effects of gravity, air, etc), because the swing of the gun would not have any _further_ effects on the trajectory after impacting initial vector/direction of travel. So no curve.
@@iriswatersRight, came here to say this. The video didn't say it would have no effect -- it would -- it just sends the bullet off on a diagnol but still straight line.
I do think curving bullets could be made, if you look at the gyro jet pistol that shot rocket propelled bullets, you could maybe swing the gun in a way such that the bullet exits the gun at an odd angle and continues in that direction, the propellant kicks in an will curve the trajectory to match the direction the bullet is facing
What if you would use a ball shotgun slug, when you flick the shotgun fast enough it would get a sideways spin due to the friction when it glides against the barrel?
Unless the bullet broke apart before it actually exited the barrel (common issue with Krumlauf), in which case bullet fragments would probably still hit her 🤔
@@DebunkedOfficial Well i was thinling you just took the barrrel and put it around angelina, technically the bullet then curved around Angelina, while not in a ballistic trajectory
if the gun is in motion when fired, it is imparting inertia to the bullet. that inertia does not magically disappear (that is a violation of physics law). it may be so small you do not detect it. but energy, in this case kinetic, cannot simply disappear.
What if somebody were to engineer wedge shaped bullets, and a gun designed to shoot them straight out without rifling? It involves custom equipment, and wouldn't be practical, but I feel like it could be used for some trick shots, perhaps in a circus act.
We have something that does apply a noticeable a curve to projectiles in paintball. It is call the Apex barrel. I don't know if that concept could be applied here. Admittedly, paintballs are spheres, fly at between 200 and 300 fps, are not solid, and have no casing.
yeah, its called "krummlauf", made in WW2 and, as the name suggest, a german adaption and no, it doesnt work, a couple of shots and the barrel will explode in your face. plus, the forces that bend the pathway of the bullet is costing SO much energy that you lose a good chunk of distance and mortality. it was a flop BUT the same company build a conversion kit to convert a signal pistol into an anti - tank RPG, wich was a good weapon to build a trap for tanks, cheap and so much of them got build that you had enough of them.
@@natbla1826 YOU wanted to know if there was any attempt to make a barrel that can alter the way of a bullet. I wrote you that THIS was applied 80 years ago and it does NOT work AT ALL. you asked "is there a way like in paintball" i said "no, no way, Here are the examples where people attempt to do this and it doesnt worked" did you asked now OR did your brain vormited this comment into your keyboard without you knowing?
@@Asmodis4 your response was uncalled for and frankly, rude. The OP was clearly asking if the *_concept of Apex barreling_* could be applied. They did not ask "is there a way like in paintball." They also didn't ask for "any attempt." They were specific. Besides, the Krummlauf is nothing like paintball or an Apex Barrel. When given a choice, choose Kindness. ❤ Or don't. It's your own path. 😊
Ok we're getting very theoretical now. So hypothetically, if you moved at extremely high speeds, like speeds that would make bulletz appear slow, if you swung your hand at the moment that a bullet is like 3/4 out of the lip of a gun, could you flick the back-end of the bullet and make it start spinning like a frisbee? Would it bend like a boomerang or something? This is kind of like the magnus force, and would probably slow the bullet down, but might advantageous in case of trying to curve a bullet around a corner or a hostage. Just want some thoughts on this.
Now this doesn't take in the fact that if you could actually move that fast, you could probably dispatch your opponent before they can even think. Or you would just explode or get your skin peeled off by the air resistance.
Now if this doesn't work (which I doubt it will), could you make some sort of special bullet or gun that could actually make a significant bend? Only in the movie, bullets could continue their bend path or curve and return to his base trajectory.
If you were using a smooth barrel shotgun and you shot a slug but you sanded the hell out of the right side of the lead slug do you think that would have any effect?
Gravity will pull a bullet down toward the Earth - but unless there is some continuous force steadily pulling or pushing the bullet laterally, NO it will not travel in a continuous curve.
In regards to the Magnus Effect, there are actually guns that use this effect to curve bullets, but you won’t be stopping any bad guys with them, as they are Airsoft/Softair guns!
Airsoft guns are equipped with a “hop-up” system that imparts a backspin on the spherical bullets to extend the range of these low-velocity guns.
If you adjust the hop-up system to an extreme setting you can definitely curve some bullets over short distances, horizontally if you rotate the gun 90°!
Paintball's been doing the same thing for decades, Tippmann's flatline barrel puts a backspin on the ball by curving the barrel. You can turn the gun on it's side or a lot of time the projectile curves to one side or the other unpredictably. A cute gimmick but very inaccurate.
@@xToddmcxyea. A paintball curve quitite a lot. If the barrel was slightly curved one could make it relaiably follow the dame tryectory and spim ebery time.
I have thought about this prior but the main use tp make it curve upwards to compensate for gravity making it more accurate.
Long distance shooting with paintball just dont work othervice.
Yeah I was thinking about this the whole video. Like cmon man, we curve bbs all the time, and they go relatively fast...280-400 fps. A musket ball from a pistol will only be doing twice that, roughly 800-900 fps. Though I think density is the main issue here. BB's are very light for their size. Musket balls are very heavy for their size.
Buuut you can put a faster spin on a projectile that's moving faster. Spin rate of a projectile is a function of "twist rate" multiplied by velocity. For instance a barrel with a 1 in 7 twist will spin a bullet one rotation for each 7 inches it travels. A bullet traveling 900 fps out of such a barrel will spin at 92,571 rpm. ((900*12)/7)*60=92,571 A Airsoft hopper only gets about 1000 RPM. Surely that difference in RPM can at least partly overcome the difference in density/speed of the bullet.
Yet it is more accurate with airsoft guns when you bend it on one side. Sometimes players are using that for advantage. Of course it does not go with very sharp arc but yet it may help to hit targets behind the obstacles with some distance from the obstacle.
No wonder gangsters shoot sideways! 😂
Gravity been curving bullets since they were invented.
😉 Thinking outside the box
@@DebunkedOfficialOutside the barrel
Despite its incredible ability at curving bullets, Gravity is not a good agent for "The Fraternity" (name of the secret society in the movie Wanted) : it has been responsible for way too many human deaths since Humanity exists, and it doesn't even need bullets to do that.
A great amount of humans are scared of it.
We should tell this "secret" agent to be more diplomatic
Gravity cam even bend lasers.
Good shout 😂
I think the only way to controllably curve bullets is by using "smart bullets" which are like tiny missiles that can be shot out of regular-size guns.
But you need some kind of way to affect the path like the fins the Excalibur artillery shell uses. So you'd have to give up rifling.
Not saying it's impossible just pretty impractical. Though I guess there could be some kind of mechanism I haven't thought of but it's unlikely to be useful at small arms range.
@@petergerdes1094The problem was already solved in EXACTO project by DARPA, specifically for rifle-calibre bullets. Those use a cluster of electromagnetically actuated microfins and a microcontroller to time their actuation in sync with bullet rotation. Sadly, project was way too expensive per bullet back then (a few years ago) and postponed until technological progress would allow to reduce unit cost.
@ Interesting, didn't know they had solved it. I guess it only really might make sense for sniper applications but on reflection that could be worth it.
@@petergerdes1094 if you've got fins and reaction control systems, what do you need rifling for? The primary purpose of rifling is to ensure the bullet doesn't wobble, so it doesn't get unnecessarily slowed by air resistance or get pulled off target by uneven resistance. But if your round is guided, those issues are covered.
All you need to do is change the bullet to a spherical shape so the the gun can spin it.
I remember the Mythbusters episode and remember being so disappointed that they did go into the Magnus effect as much as I had hoped, nor did they attempt to rig the robot to do anything other than actuate from right to left, and didn't try stimulating any other theoretical arm motions.
Although we couldn't perform the practical experiment I hope you felt we covered all the bases.
@DebunkedOfficial way beyond my expectations! I subscribed and dinged before the video was over. Great writer and host, and as an engineer and physicist I found the content comprehensive. As an educator, I want to give a special shout to your graphics/viz and editing aa well! It was also brilliantly presented 💡
@@DrEcho 😊 such kind accolades, thank you and welcome to Debunked! I hope to see you in the comments of future videos 👍
Yes, I think curving your shots are entirely possible. But you're gonna have to stop shooting bullets and start using musket balls. If baseballs and pingpong balls can be curved, surely it is possible to make a gun that spins the musket ball so that it takes a curved path.
"Shoot the wings off the flies."
Well remembered! 🪰
Beverly hillbillies?
As art director/motion graphic artist i have to appreciate the gun fu animation at the beginning, it was so well made 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
This is exactly what I missed from the MythBusters episode!
I ask this question in Quora in a few ago. Didn't expect this channel to make a video about it. So many information. Thank you very much.
Awesome video, and this is not a nitpick but a light-hearted curiosity regarding the stock imagery at 6:49 - I'm trying to figure out what we are looking at because it's not the rifling inside a barrel... A) The rifling would be slots or flats not ridges B) The end of the barrel would not be a clearly smaller diameter that the rifling itself C) That is super aggressive rotation, like if that was a pistol barrel then we're taking a twist every 2 inches, not a twist every ~10 inches like a glock , and D) There's no such an obvious port on the side of the barrel, even with gas action rifles like the AK or AR pattern rifles. This is either another part of a gun (that I don't recognize) like the receiver housing of a gun that has a a bolt that rotates as it moved into battery... Or it is the interior of a completely unrelated item such as the body of a a fluid valve. Again, not a criticism... That clip just caught my eye and won't let go. :-)
Great content - Subscribed.
3:03 The gun barrel exerts a force against the side of the bullet, imparting horizontal velocity to the bullet. Then, when the bullet leaves the barrel, no more sideways forces act on the bullet at all, so the bullet should travel in a tangent to its original motion instead of shooting straight from the barrel.
That said, the sideways velocity with which a human hand can move the gun is insignificant compared to the speed of the bullet firing straight under normal conditions, so nothing above would be noticeable anyway.
I haven't seen Wanted yet but I remember the trailer for that movie and how hyped it was.
Gonna need to give it a watch!
watched it as a kid and i tried to curve my airsoft bb 💀
Hypest movie fr
Dude, watch it.
The comic book was even better 😉
9:36. How about firing a cannonball? There is plenty of area for the Magnus force to affect, and also make the ball out of a low-density material, but impact resistant, so that it does not shatter into pieces when fired.
The Animations are so nice, love the style❤
Thank you so much 😊
12:20 The explanation for "Coriolis Drift" is incorrect:
1. The animation shows earth spinning east to west, when it actually spins west to east
2. The effect happens because a bullet fired to the north is moving faster in the east direction than a target up north, because the latitude circle is bigger closer to the equator. So this would lead to a deflection to the east, or right.
9:44 So, we want to shot like in Wanted movie, we need smooth-bore black-powder handgun that fire sub-sonic spherical bullet and spin at about 100,000+ rpm.
Nice video. The intro definitely brought me back to some of those early internet stick fight animations...
That was the inspiration 🥰
Team blue, or green?
Scary to think John Wick started a decade ago.
Great video
Yea, Keanu is now 60 years old! Impressive!
@@DebunkedOfficial that is as impressive as this channel ♥️
@@PRCOM Thank you 😊
I know I'm late, as usual, but this is another interesting and wonderful video. My immediate answer was, "No, you can't curve a bullet because they're small and fast." 😂 That was just a logical response, knowing the basics of physics. I'm glad I had the fundamentals.
Also: "NFL ball" cracked me up. Good call on that one. 😂
Lol, yea had to change that from our original script 😉
Take a look into "Homing" bullets. They exist and change directory mid flight to hit moving targets. It's an experimental program, so as far as I know, not yet fielded; but it's amazing to see the test footage of these things in action...
Actually you can see a Magnus effect on bullets fired at very far away. For example on my rifle the bullet deviates 1cm to the right after flying 200 meters 2 cm and flying 300 meters, 1 meter to the right after flying from 1000 meters. The bullet always deviates in the direction of rifling, but the effect is only going to be significantly noticeable after about 500-600 meters of flying
8:13 I think Roberto Carlos is going to disagree with the 80 Km/h claim here
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@@DebunkedOfficial There are number of players thatr can shoot way above 130km/h. It's actually missed opportunity to not show the Roberto Carlos free kick from 1997 as an example of curved shot
@@roberto5455 I thought exactly the same thing.
@@roberto5455
>account name Roberto
Carlos? Is that you? You tryna show off to internet about your feat?
You can’t curve bullets, but you can curve arrows.
Me at 12: 23 wrapped up in my blankets drinking water: “interesting..”
0:25 *OR IS IT* vsauce michelle here it is impossible to curve a bullet “or is it”
XD lmao
You can curve bullets as long as you're far away from your target and allow the Coriolis effect to do it's job.
Neat, I was hoping you'd mention CornerShot.
Technically we just need better bullets capable of bending the trajectory in flight. Traditional rounds is a no go there.
I believe this is a thing in archery. You can curve arrows, but it needs special arrows.
@@notjustforme no need special arrows, the technique is to bend the cord while arming, i saw some videos on yt of a famous archery Master performing this stunt... take a look its worth it
There's one more effect that applies at really long distances: The Earth's curvature. Earth's resemblance to a sphere is most noticeable if you can see most of the horizon from a single point high in the atmosphere (like a big mountain or a high-flying aircraft) or from something like a space station.
Take a Flat-Earther to space and then tell them to look out a window.
Military did create a bullet which can curve: it is basically a minimised missile that can steer itself. Even that bullet can't make a curve as sharp as the movie depicts.
Myth busters is essentially
"Can a person do it? Let's try."
"Can a robot do it? Let's try."
You forgot one thing, for I have seen 'bullets' being curved, and that was when I played paintball with cheap equipment and incorrect pressure. I could see the bullet (ball) fly away in a corkscrew path. I do not know why, but we also did buy the cheapest balls that had different colors on each hemisphere and a slight edge where they were put together. My guess is the Magnus effect in combination with irrational spinning.
gotta love the description "*Is* curving a bullet *is* impossible?"
Bullets do have a Magnus effect. Sometimes. When there's a crosswind, the wind will interact with the top and bottom of the rotating bullet. So a gun with right handed rifling and a left-right crosswind (or left handed rifling and a right-left crosswind) will experience a slight lift. Precision rifle calculators will take the twist rate (usually expressed as how many inches long one full rotation is) and the direction of the rifling into account and use that and the wind to provide more accurate hold values.
Even without wind there is a factor called spindrift, at 500 meters i would hold about .1 mil to counter act spindrift
You guys are FREAKIN' LEGENDS, for including some of the old Chow Yun Fat movies from the 90s!!!!
Man, that guy had more bad-guy blood on his hands, than John Woo could ever dream of!!! John Wick hopes to be like Chow Yun Fat when he grows up! Not only was he "Da Man," he also made it incredibly cool to be Asian!! Or, he possibly inspired a lot of envy towards Asians...
At extreme speeds an area of low pressure forms just inside the tip of the barrel due to centrifugal force. This phenomenon was not explored in any tests because the devices used were artificially inadequate. According to the laws you mentioned, at a fast enough speed the entire barrel would become a vacuum and it leads to all sorts of possibilities in altering the final trajectory when the projectile arrives at a higher pressure zone.
Demolition Ranch channel fired different calibers through pvc tubing with many twists and turns. Depending on the load the rounds followed the path and struck the target.
There's one scenario not being considered, what about "propeller bullets?" Not a literal propeller, but some sort of significant grooves built into the front end of the bullet that are arranged in such a way that they "kick" more air toward one side than the other, a sort of exaggerated version of that "spindrift." It would probably reduce speed and might be too uncontrollable, but I think there would be potential there to cause a normal bullet at normal ranges to go several feet off course in a hopefully predictable way.
In the long range shooting we do this all the time - or have to correct for it. The rotation of the earth will, indeed, 'curve' a bullet's trajectory.
“An NFL Ball” nice save
🤣 yep that got changed before recording 😉
John Cleese has a rant about football and "soccer". It's very short. I recommend watching it before applying normal words like "ball" to that game that Americans, for some inexplicable reason, call "football".
Actually that was a College American football because it has stripes. NFL balls do not have stripes.
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They did a whole segment of Mythbusters about this and it's impossible to curve a bullet. They tried speed, skill, even a robot.
You should have also mentioned magnets like myth busters did in their revisit to the topic. Forward momentum is no joke.
DARPA's EXACTO program created Sniper Rifle bullets with find that can track targets. This is all we know becasue the rest is very very classified.
Ordinary bullets are quite heavy by design. A light wait slightly larger spherical bullet should do the trick. I'd suggest something like the nanocoated Ping-Pong balls Integra produces, only about half the size. The spin can be achieved by leaving a rough surface on one side on the inside of the barrel.
I've always wondered if you could overcome the forward motion of the bullet by simply swinging the gun faster than the bullets speed. It would stand to reason that you could overcome a force with a greater force, so by swinging the gun at 1,500 feet per second or so, you could potentially cause the bullet to behave in an less predictable way.
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It’s funny how he said, “Near unbelievable feats”. More like completely unbelievable, impossible feats.
If you had a smoothbore barrel and you machined half of the inside to have a rough textured surface, you could induce musket balls to spin using the Magnus Effect. However, I don't think that there would be any way of controlling or even of predicting the direction of the spin and thus the curve of the musketball...
Round bullet and straight rifling on one side of barrel and smooth bore on the other
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In other words: guns are designed specifically to prevent this sort of bullet curving in order to make shooting at a target as... well, as straightforward as possible.
Ofc, a gun was nevwr designed to cut a corner, lol.
i don't think ive ever saw any movie using "curved bullet"
Have you considered the extreme case of the apfsds sabot?
These objects take a very curved path even though they detach from a projectile moving at nearly 2km/s.
Magnus effect can raise or lower a bullet in a crosswind, which usually is stronger then the Coriolis effect.
Hmm, yes, yess. Very informative.
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This instantly reminded me of that video by RocketJump
You could curve bullets with magnets.
With regular bullets, it would be very weak, only bending the trajectory with the magnetic equivalent of tidal drag (the closer part of the bullet being slowed down more than the farther part)
But if someone was shooting steel bullets, they would be attracted to the magnet and curve around it.
There is new smart ammunition for small arms that can deploy fins and actively maneuver in flight to hit a chosen target.
It's not impossible. The gun or bullet could have an accelerometer that detects the movement before firing and then programs the trajectory in to the bullet which it then carriers out via fins/weights/whatever to make the bullet follow that path (ie. a guided bullet). These do exist in larger shells but there is no reason it couldn't be implemented in a handheld firearm. It would be impractical with current technology but not outright impossible.
We’re talking about normal guns and normal bullets
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the texture of the surface is likely to have more of an effect on the surve than the speed of the bullet (not withstanding travel time and the exponential compounding of the deviation of flight path, compared to 'straight'. According to me... rougher surface = more magnus effect, surely (without me researching it.. but not stated in this video).
Are ricochetting bullets possible?
Worth an investigation 🤔
you forgot bullets with thrusters to curve them
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Actually, in the early days of firearms, ball bullets did curve. This was eventually fixed by rifling the barrels.
Almost. A round bullet with enough spin would produce a curved tragectory in any intended direction. Obviously.
I think you are forgetting the rocket bullets, that can nowadays have controllable fins ;)
The only one I can imagine, is one with a fin of a sort, electronically controlled...
So what you’re saying is I can’t curve a bullet, but I *can* curve a cannonball, got it
I think swinging a gun still imparts speed to a bullet but trajectory still would be straight, just not in line with the barrel, and to even be able to notice that effect bullet should be moving with comparable speeds to muzzle velocity, gun should move sideways at speeds comparable to speed of sound. At speed that human can swing it or twice that you probably would not be able to measure a difference(trajectory still would be straight anyway, even if not in line with a barrel).
If I were to get a gun and point it sideways, that would trick gravity into thinking the bullet is going down when it is really going sideways. It is, in fact, possible to curve a bullet sideways.
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i think if you charge the bullet to a very high static voltage(near 1000000v like a lightning) it will be attracted to any grounded surfaces near it so it will bend
Actually moving the gun barrel while shooting DOES affect the bullet. Its stated in the laws. A body in motion stays in motion. The reason it doesnt look like it works is due to movements at dufferent speeds. How fast can you seing the barrel? 10 miles or km /hour. 20? 30? The bullet is traveling 1,000 miles / hour. In other words the bullet is going forward so much faster than the swing the change is negligible.
It also doesn't curve in the air. It curves at the moment it leaves the barrel.
What happens is that the speed forward and sideways add up at that moment, but the bullet then still travels in straight line afterwards.
Yeah, if the arm was swinging at an appreciable fraction of the speed imparted by the charge, it would have an appreciable impact on the trajectory of the bullet. It would alter the direction of travel. But the bullet would still travel along that vector in a straight line from there(barring the effects of gravity, air, etc), because the swing of the gun would not have any _further_ effects on the trajectory after impacting initial vector/direction of travel. So no curve.
@@iriswatersRight, came here to say this. The video didn't say it would have no effect -- it would -- it just sends the bullet off on a diagnol but still straight line.
@@petergerdes1094 yes, that.
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Can't gyroscopic drift be erased with fins on the back of the bullet? (Deploy after exiting barrel; perhaps springloaded)
I do think curving bullets could be made, if you look at the gyro jet pistol that shot rocket propelled bullets, you could maybe swing the gun in a way such that the bullet exits the gun at an odd angle and continues in that direction, the propellant kicks in an will curve the trajectory to match the direction the bullet is facing
Is this a reupload from quite a while ago? Either way it's a great video
Edit: It may have been the bullet blocking video 😊
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does a very strong magnetic device like those in junk yards magnetising the cars to be squished affect the trajectory of bullets?
Can you do a video about Cats in Trees?
one more ... magnetism .. be it shooting near an active maglev train , or an active particle collider.
What if you would use a ball shotgun slug, when you flick the shotgun fast enough it would get a sideways spin due to the friction when it glides against the barrel?
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My first thought would be that the bullets arent the right shape to curve, maybe a musket ball could
Well. With the krumlaun you could shoot around angelina
Unless the bullet broke apart before it actually exited the barrel (common issue with Krumlauf), in which case bullet fragments would probably still hit her 🤔
@@DebunkedOfficial Well i was thinling you just took the barrrel and put it around angelina, technically the bullet then curved around Angelina, while not in a ballistic trajectory
if the gun is in motion when fired, it is imparting inertia to the bullet. that inertia does not magically disappear (that is a violation of physics law). it may be so small you do not detect it. but energy, in this case kinetic, cannot simply disappear.
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would it work with magnetic bullets?
What if somebody were to engineer wedge shaped bullets, and a gun designed to shoot them straight out without rifling?
It involves custom equipment, and wouldn't be practical, but I feel like it could be used for some trick shots, perhaps in a circus act.
Actualy DAPRA have weapon/bullets that maneauvering in mid air.(it have control surfaces and is laser guided or something
We have something that does apply a noticeable a curve to projectiles in paintball. It is call the Apex barrel. I don't know if that concept could be applied here. Admittedly, paintballs are spheres, fly at between 200 and 300 fps, are not solid, and have no casing.
yeah, its called "krummlauf", made in WW2 and, as the name suggest, a german adaption and no, it doesnt work, a couple of shots and the barrel will explode in your face.
plus, the forces that bend the pathway of the bullet is costing SO much energy that you lose a good chunk of distance and mortality.
it was a flop BUT the same company build a conversion kit to convert a signal pistol into an anti - tank RPG, wich was a good weapon to build a trap for tanks, cheap and so much of them got build that you had enough of them.
????? Ummmm nope. I was talking about paintball and apex barrels. Nothing to do with WW2 at all.
@@natbla1826 YOU wanted to know if there was any attempt to make a barrel that can alter the way of a bullet.
I wrote you that THIS was applied 80 years ago and it does NOT work AT ALL.
you asked "is there a way like in paintball" i said "no, no way, Here are the examples where people attempt to do this and it doesnt worked"
did you asked now OR did your brain vormited this comment into your keyboard without you knowing?
@@Asmodis4 your response was uncalled for and frankly, rude.
The OP was clearly asking if the *_concept of Apex barreling_* could be applied. They did not ask "is there a way like in paintball." They also didn't ask for "any attempt." They were specific. Besides, the Krummlauf is nothing like paintball or an Apex Barrel.
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Ok we're getting very theoretical now. So hypothetically, if you moved at extremely high speeds, like speeds that would make bulletz appear slow, if you swung your hand at the moment that a bullet is like 3/4 out of the lip of a gun, could you flick the back-end of the bullet and make it start spinning like a frisbee? Would it bend like a boomerang or something? This is kind of like the magnus force, and would probably slow the bullet down, but might advantageous in case of trying to curve a bullet around a corner or a hostage.
Just want some thoughts on this.
Now this doesn't take in the fact that if you could actually move that fast, you could probably dispatch your opponent before they can even think. Or you would just explode or get your skin peeled off by the air resistance.
Now if this doesn't work (which I doubt it will), could you make some sort of special bullet or gun that could actually make a significant bend? Only in the movie, bullets could continue their bend path or curve and return to his base trajectory.
If you were using a smooth barrel shotgun and you shot a slug but you sanded the hell out of the right side of the lead slug do you think that would have any effect?
No.
The only gun that I have seen make a working curved bullet is a nerf gun. The nerf gun is actually a fun party trick
Gravity will pull a bullet down toward the Earth - but unless there is some continuous force steadily pulling or pushing the bullet laterally, NO it will not travel in a continuous curve.
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You guys missed the perfect opportunity to talk about curving arrows.
That was in the original plan but the we had to make some cuts to get the runtime down. Thanks for watching 👍
@@DebunkedOfficial yeah, figured as much, good video nonetheless.
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