Economist explains why Britain sucks (and how to fix it)
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Daniel Chandler is an economist and philosopher at the London School of Economics and his new book, Free And Equal, is out on 20 April, in all good bookshops.
He came to JOE Towers to chat politics, economics, and how we can reform the UK to be a more equal and free society for all.
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Any plans to put these interviews out on the podcast? Especially these in depth ones that aren't so time-dependent as the Westminster/media reviews you guys do would be great, I think?
I'm talking about these interviews you've already done, by the way, not anything new, which I assume will be on the podcast in some form (?!)
Not unless you get rid of that excruciatingly annoying music.
@PoliticsJOE could you share this video more aggressively please? I think it would help give more people hope that things actually can change for the better
It's crazy how we have so many smart and eloquent thinkers and speakers and yet we persist with tired old ideas that are clearly not working
They are- for the rich. Class is the defining characteristic of life in Britain. The rich know it and use it to their advantage. Now, more than ever they are exploiting all the levers at their disposal to secure their position, safe in the knowledge that Britons are too weak and apathetic to oppose them. The Labour Party pretends to be the party of the workers yet has no class based analysis.
@moore_news
The mess our country is in now is entirely down to our tory government since 2010, they are totally responsible. We need to get rid of these selfish, greedy, dishonest and corrupt tories before its too late. And we need to change our first past the post voting system. We need a proportional voting system, one that means every vote actually counts. Then our polititical parties will be more accountable to us, easier to kick them out if they don't do things that benefit our country or the majority of its citizens
Bendy bananas!
That's right the funders of our politicians wouldn't like that at all
A fundamental need in democracy is a free media. We don't have one, it is captured by foreign tax exile billionaires.
I like the democracy voucher idea. It lets the public punish political parties that misbehave, by depriving them of resources.
Well we do have vouchers. They're called banknotes. If you issue special ones that can't be spent on necessities, then there will be black market brokers buying them up.
@@MattOGormanSmith only those apathetic to politics would sell. The rich and powerfull would have to at least give the poor something in exchange, as a bribe to vote for their neoliberal shitshow. This combined with pr, would mean they would have to spend a lot more, bribing a lot more peopIe, to achieve victory. Raising the difficulty of acting against the public interest significantly. I think this can largely be fixed with political science education.
The electorate has a very short memory unfortunately , witness the ,(slight) resurgence in the polls recently since Rishi took over, completely ignoring the horrors that the (Tufton street) conservatives have wrought on the UK over the last twelve years.
@@MattOGormanSmith You need an ID to vote anyway, bind it to a person's identity, that way you can't sell or buy them, it's a simple one per person system, so even if you want to spend money on it, you won't be able to.
@@johnstirling6597 The average voter has no idea what Tufton street is and would dismiss it as conspiracy theory without even touching the surface.
Full of wonderful ideas, such an inspiration and interesting way to look at our society. I wish sometimes I had went to university to hear all these things but I didn't for a host of reasons. Now nearly 60, I feel I have access to well informed, erudite and emotionally well balanced philosophies. I was,am, one of those who didn't have a place in this society. Someone listening in the hinterland who has experience of being left out. It gives me enormous pleasure and some measure of relief that there are individuals who have a compassionate grasp on our future. I am so grateful to this channel, what an amazing job you do. My wish is that this is all part of evolution. All it takes is one brick to dismantle and the walls fall down. May I just say, I'm half educated but I'm becoming wholly complete in myself. Once you start to see, you can't go back. I have the feeling I'm not alone in this.
Agreed. Well said.
This is a wonderful comment, and may I say (hope it doesn't come across as patronising!): I've seen many a supposedly well-educated person who wouldn't be able to phrase their thoughts so well, not to mention the underlying sense of your self-awareness, empathy and hopefulness. Whatever you've been doing with your life instead of going to university, clearly it was time well spent in terms of your mind! And yes, I'm also in awe of how many wonderful resources to knowledge we have these days at our fingertips - and you're definitely not alone in your brick-wall-dismantling experience! 🙂
I wish these thinkers would get more airtime on mainstream channels so that that more of the general public could feel that there's more viable options out there for a general eco/political direction of how the country could be headed towards. Really big up on politicsJoe for finding these great discussions.
Imagine how many elders and those not technically focused are gonna feel when the Sht hits the fan...and its coming .
Even if they do come laced with ignorant thumbnails.
Why is it that the people who have the most sensible and people centred ideas never become politicians ?
'Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.'
Maybe the ideas won’t work hey!
@@tomjones8715 Maybe you should find someone to borrow an idea off as you don't appear to have any !!
You've pretty much answered your own question there, imo
@@johnners911 I don't know, seems like its the only profession in the world where "those who can teach and those who can't do". Quite the paradox !!
Mainly we persist with old ideas because it does not disrupt those who are economically fortunate, rather it favors them and their future prospects.
I’m 57 1 of 6 kids from a council estate, left school cos my Mum wanted her keep, I worked hard and loved it, became a site agent at 18yrs old worked for myself built houses etc, I wasn’t academic but very good at metalwork, woodworking PE but that’s disappearing from the curriculum and putting pressure on children like me
Eliminate politician as a career option and have representation for every walk of life and ban lobbying.
There's open lobbying - environmentalists, communities, charities, etc - whose lobbyists appreciate public attention to their cause. And there's hidden lobbying for the benefit of individuals and vested interests who prefer to keep their lobbying out of the public eye. The former is very useful. The latter needs to be banned.
@@megannehover4013 Corporations aren't stupid. They'll continue to find ways around a system any way they can. Ban Corporations from lobbying and not 'useful" lobbying and the Corporations will just infiltrate them.
Lobbying is, by definition, anti democratic. It gives specific groups and ideas more power than the people.
The problem is England is a very class based society, this holds back ordinary people.
Perhaps if you’re looking to operate in the higher echelons of business/finance or politics but not anywhere else 😂
@@citizenphaid1880yeah the people who run our country???
Will be buying the book & recommending to my 6th Form History students - very inspiring & encouraging for those wishing to form a vision of what a better future might look like. When I started teaching in 1994 very few students would say there were considering emigrating. Now many of my students can’t wait to leave. We have serious problems that require serious thought. Thanks for this - much appreciated.
I was one who wanted to emigrate when at school in 1994. I did after I left school and it was the right decision. The UK can be a terrible place to live if your ancestors were not friends with William the conqueror
Instead of abolishing private schools, I think we should make state schools so good that they're private schools are made redundant. We should make all education equally GOOD, not equally BAD.
As a rule of thumb you can be certain that the children of those well off will receive resources for a good education due to the influence of their parents. If they are in a private school then their parents will lavish resources on that school and neglect all other schools. If they are in a public school then their parents have no choice but to make sure that school functions properly, incidentally also providing a quality education to the children of those without influence.
I wish I was as politically naive as you.
My sweet summer child, may I ask how you would achieve this?
@@bdenbhurrito He does have a point. That's what should be done, abolishing private schools without raising the education standards/quality of the state schools is racing to the bottom. It's what a communist regime would do and it doesn't solve the underlying problem which is underfunding. The solution is to increase funding either through tax increases or through fund redistribution. Otherwise, all you do is punishing the better off and the skilled teachers who work in those schools.
@@Ashok_Regiment Also worth noting that those thousands of kids in private education would then be put into the state school system, applying even greater burden. Plus wealthy parents would just hire private tutors.
Also worth noting that it would arguably lower social mobility for children at these private schools under bursary and scholarship programmes.
@@bdenbhurrito By abolishing private schools and requiring all children attend public schools. Once all the children of the wealthy and influential attend class in a public school you can be certain that there will be a new urgency to the question of properly funding public schools.
I always recall an Italian educated bloke when I was much younger saying he didn't understand the word as Public Schools in Italy were for the public and one only spent on private education if ones child was educationally backward. I am pretty easy going but we have to invest more in post 16 education particularly FECs that have been run down and bring back Polys and HECs.
Public school - anyone can go if they have the money and pass the entrance exam.
Private school - they choose who goes doesn’t necessarily mean you got the grades to enter, more schools are moving away from this.
@@dominicreid4gg.90 Not in Italy it would seem. Only those educationally disabled need to be privately educated.
I love that italy has the university of the 3rd age. They really care about affordable life long education over there :) It's not, make one mistake and get debt trapped in mimimum wage work forever, like the usa. Or like where the uk is heading.
also in Austria - privately payed education is for children that can not cope in the public school system.
@@Hession0Drasha Perhaps this is why abolishing FECs HECs and Polys was a manifestly bad idea.
Superb stuff, this channel has a glut of brilliant interviews. Have you ever considered putting them out as podcast episodes?
Wow! This is a fantastic discussion. It needs greater mainstream airing. We are in need of a Brexit dividend, and a comprehensive visionary overhaul of British society could be just what is required......
Brexit dividend? After 50 years integrating yourselves into one of the coolest things ever made, you ain't going to fix this mess quick. It'll take another 50 years. By then you'll have rejoined.
BBC or ITV Probably..lol...
As long as the rich can send their children to private schools there is no incentive to make state schools adequate for the rest of us. If anything is disincentivises improving state schools because the bigger the gap between state and private schools the more private schools are giving value for money!
If rich people had to send their children to school with everyone else then they would care about making those schools as good as they could be.
Great conversation, thanks!
Loved this conversation, both the practical ideas and the underlying philosophy which seems to me so obviously fair. Even though I tend to be an optimist, I struggle at times to see how we will make changes under such a divisive political system as we have now. Listening to Daniel has left me feeling hopeful and I hope his book is widely read and discussed.
I lived in China and studied Confusionism. In education there should be no distinction of class
Confuceism? Confusionism is what right wingers do.
Hey, it's easy to get Confuced between similar words.
I really enjoyed this enlightening political & philosophical discussion about the ways we can both remove the barriers & implement relatively simple policies to create a fairer, more equal & engaged populace.... one that is enrolled in a vision of a society where everyone has the potential to grow, actively contribute & be respectful of self & one another....
Proportional representation is one such proposition, as is the abolition of mega donations to our 2 party system with it's obvious influence. We must keep asking ourselves how can we build a society which is more enlivened, gracious & generous....encouraging real equality of education & insightsç, creating new visionary his/herstories that nourish & inspire future generations.
Agree with everything in the interview. Urge everyone to listen to Big Zuu - The Struggle, which is a poem / rap about the education system and an unequal society.
We had an alternative and Starmer was planted in the Labour party to ensure that the alternative would NOT happen. Workers would have had a stake in their industries and representation on boards. That is what needed to happen. Tertiary education, both university and vocational should be paid for out of tax. That would be a good step towards narrowing the wealth and status gap. There are many good people within the Labour Party who currently are keeping a low grovelling profile but that approach won't butter any parsnips. What's happened to the majority is a disaster coming on top of 13 years of rule by the tory Mafia. As for nationalization, it has to happen, the wellbeing of future UK generations depend on it to put a stop to the greed. Starmer is a liability, he has no integrity and now many people see it.
Starmer is the establishment pick to maintain neoliberalism and endless austerity. It is a dystopian nightmare like something out of 1984. Unless the left ever takes over the leadership of the Labour Party there is no hope for Britain but even if it does the majority of the people do not even want even the mildest form of democratic socialism as long as the Tories shout 'communist' or 'radical left' at the top of their voices. Meanwhile in the rest of the world right wing parties are to the left of Labour and the Tories in the UK.
Did that parsnip thing exist b4 lycett?
@hilaryporter7841
People had a chance to vote for Jeremy Corbyn & the Labour Party in Dec 2019 election, but too many people were taken in by the right wing media, newspapers like the daily mail, daily express, daily telegraph, daily star, sun & sky news, talk radio etc and they voted for brexshit and the con party instead
@@unknown_name_389 The people did as they were told by the media. Most of the media is privately educated and part of the problem.
@@unknown_name_389 seriously, you obviously don't understand what socialism is really about. And since 2010 the majority of people in the UK who are basic rate tax payers paying 20% on income, are actually paying a lot more now for services we aren't getting thanks to our tory government since 2010
A most interesting interview and I agree with much that was proposed. However let us not forget that the aristocracy has successfully held on to land, power and wealth, certainly since the invasion by William of Normandy. This group will never ever countenance any change that would loosen their grip on the country. If you think about it, when the need for people representation became overwhelming the ruling aristocracy countered it very well by introducing 'the first past the post' system and thereby ensuring that they would still be in control! Any sort of development of democracy in Britain has only been possible through blood, sweat and sacrifice - witness the struggle for female emancipation, witness the battles of the Chartists etc. The aristocracy have always employed a brutal response to any assault on their percieved god given right to rule the country, amass great wealth and oppress the peasants! The monarchy and the principal public schools, Eton, Harrow and Winchester are the instruments whereby the aristocracy ensure their futures. Without the destruction of these institutions there never will be any change in wealth distribution or any meaningful extension of democracy in Britain.
Based.
Here here. The country of the elite
Fix it... or just leave ?
What a nourishing tonic to hear some common sense so well explained!
PS: I’d like to offer some feedback, the neon lights are visually very stressful and distracting, maybe you can tone them down in future videos? 🙏🏻
Great work. depth. engaging. a vision, which is what politics lacks. Thanks guys 😊
Obviously Daniel Chandler is very sharp.
Liz Truss and her think tank backers had a vision. Only thing they got right was we need a growth strategy.
Two things that were missed out from the "voting" part was the fact that we have a "monarchy" and an unelected second chamber. Both of these have to go for any semblance of democracy to happen in the UK. We can decide what to replace them with after.
I agree with the sentiment BUT: As mentioned in the interview, one of the main problems with our elected democracy is that success as a politician is dependent on serving the interests of large corporations and oligarchs, since they main donors to the parties, while lying to the public about it. The house of lords is actually a moderating influence since its members aren't dependent on campaign funding and so have the freedom to do what they think is right. So we have to be very careful about replacing it. Not to say the house of lords shouldn't be replaced, but replacing it with an elected system without fixing this issue will only make things worse.
One alternative is we replace the house of lords with a house of citizens - people chosen at random from the general public. Since they're chosen at random they'll represent people from all walks of life, and since they don't have to compete for votes there's no perverse incentives and they can do what they think is right.
These people are campaigning for a house of citizens in scotland so they have a proposal for what it could look like: www.sortitionfoundation.org/house_of_citizens_scottish_parliament
@@Kerygmachela If you have PR in the first place, you can decide whether a House of Lords or a House of Citizens is needed or not as all votes for the HoC will count equally. Until PR is introduced and hereditary privilege and the honours system are binned, which should be the starting point, then what the second chamber is is irrelevant. Having said that, I am absolutely in favour of more public input into political decisions both locally, regionally and nationally. How we do that should be debated and the House of Citizens idea seems a good starting point.
How about just voting on literally everything by everyone
Superb content. Such an inspirational piece of thinking. Clear & pointing in exactly the right direction 👍
Nice interview, bought the book.
The new broom system, I think that a certain party has thought of the possibility that this might happen, hence their scrabbling panic
Love the interview laying out a great humanist reforming approach to our political process.
41:29 “…a Citizen Wealth Fund…”
Sounds very close to Matt Bruenig’s proposed policy of a social wealth fund which he calls _The American Solidarity Fund._ Such a fund would provide a universal dividend for people in the US. “A dividend-paying social wealth fund,” Bruenig says, “reduces wealth inequality by moving wealth out of the hands of the rich who currently own it and into a collective fund that everyone in the country owns an equal part of. It then reduces income inequality by redirecting capital income away from the affluent and parceling it out as a universal basic dividend that goes out to everyone in society.”
Well played on both sides lovely job 👌
Very good. Anyone who took the Oxford PPE, must have studied Rawls, yet his ideas have no influence on British political thinking. However, it should be remembered that in PPE, Philosophy is the subject usually dropped at the end of First Year, but surely Politics involves reading Rawls. Strangely, I cannot imagine intellectual giants such as Cameron and Truss, engaging with Rawls.
super insightful this!
This discussion needs to be heard and had everywhere on a regular basis. Constant examination of any system as it is and how to improve it should be the role of MSM news but it never is...
This guy worked for the Tories from 2010 to 2013 and the IFS from there on. Went to Cambridge, Harvard, and LSE.
Isn't he sort of the poster child against his own argument?
Greetings from Germany where we have 6 or 7 parties to choose from and are still stumped where to put the x.
This is a brilliant explanation of the issues. Will be buying the book.
Don't underestimate the effect of class differences in British English!!
Every language has upper and lower class accents but no other language I know of is so laden with shibboleths and class identifiers. This is of course an holdover of the Normans, basically French-derived=upper class, Saxon-derived=serves.
It makes it very difficult for working/lower class English people to shake off their background. Not saying they should off course but English society DOES judge them on that.
You really notice that if English is your second language because the first words you learn are often upperclass words and the pronunciation you (try to :D ) use is Received English. When I try to pronounce English correctly I sound posh!
On the other hand what I have noticed in my lifetime is a significant increase in working class and regional accent representation in the media. Upper Class english is now toned down - even the Queen's Christmas speeches reflect this from the 1950s onwards. Nevertheless, you are quite correct in pointing out that it does still very much exist.
Really interesting watch. Thanks
A very positivist account. Not without its problems and rather less radical than you might think. Nevertheless, it's practical advice which I'm sure will be appreciated.
Less radical because it's addressing problems at surface level (by rhyming off positivist evidence), but does not critically engage with ideas of 'modernity', 'enlightenment', and 'common sense'. Mentioning structural violence, gender, racial, and inter-class-based oppression and their causes would have put me in more of a mood to agree with the author.
For example, how do we collectively want to define equality and freedom - equality and freedom for whom? What is the role of the state and who will their interventions benefit? Is democracy inherently exploitable by a ruling capitalist class? Or, in Chantal Mouffe's theorisations, can democracy become something more inclusive of 'the other'?
This is definitely a move in the right direction but I'd like to see more solutions to questions posed by critical scholarship.
Excellent discussion. TY.
Maybe look at the Australian system of mandatory preferential voting, much better than 1st past the post.
Ordered his book. This is good stuff.
What's the name of the book
@@da90sReAlvloc it's in the description 'Free and Equal'
Rent control, utilities owned 51% by the state, getting rid of the punitive benefits system (if you've paid tax, you're paying for it anyway), properly funding NHS wages, no student tuition fees, free school meals. These are investments for the future - unlike giving giant contracts to your friends.
But yet,,£11billion given, given for illegal immigration...stinks don't it when we also had austerity for 9/10 years..and covid ongoing,,,the Ukraine war.sht in our water,financially killing all. this our wages we went without..undercut by cheap labour from abroad,,,and they were only trying...its disgusting. The way you the rich gov who ever think you can do this....the puppet master..
I am from Finland. Loved the discussion. There was some mention of the Finnish school system. It is not in a good place currently. Hopefully will get back on a better trajectory. Our system is failing us. Rawls's ideas are sorely needed here as well. Inequality is rising, the current government is widening the Gap between haves and have nots. It is far right populist and is applying the Thatcher Reagan neoliberal policies full on with the world in the state it is. Total stupidity. We need to change the status quo before it' too late. It may already be. But thank you for the insights here❤
Would be interesting to know the proportion of children in the UK that go to private school compared to other European countries.
@@lartydanceoff369 Thanks, I wanted to find out how many Albanians are washing up on our shores via those dinghies. Someone said most of the dinghies are Albanians, which I think is nonsense! An Albanian can get a plane or a train or a ferry and not put their life in jeopardy whereas someone from Afghanistan or Syria or any number of African nations cannot! Eritrea is a good example! I personally believe genuine cases of asylum should be granted only to those fleeing danger. The media and many politicians are painting all asylum seekers as fakers only wanting to come to the UK and screw us over. We reap what we sow! To be overly critical and xenophobic is only going to come back and bite us in the behind! You can't have a happy population based on anger, it simply doesn't work!
Well I know a lot of foreign students go to our private schools .
Private school is illegal in Finland.
@@BiggusDiggusablebang on! Drag everyone down to the same level!
@@tomjones8715 lol!!!! Finnish education is among the best in the world, you dopey pillock!
What I really admire about Daniel is that unlike so many people now he isn't preaching anything remotely radical which is what the far-left have been doing for some time proposing ridiculous things like defund the police or suggest some kind of 'reset' that just seem like abominably awful ideas which stem from a marxist/communistic stance of what people (who disregard history) still seem to think is the answer to how we should run society. I think we can all agree communism is horrendous without resorting to "isn't capitalism great" we are in the situation we are now because capitalism is failing us, that doesn't mean socialism is the answer either it's simply trying to look at the entire system we have and make it better rather than destroying it. The very notion of 'equal' is offensive to some, mainly people who have wealth and think the scroungers in society are coming to take what they have what has now become the 'eat the rich' mentality which is also a demonstrable idea that suggest anyone who has wealth hates the poor. What I think those who are poor and those who are rich should agree on is that this world simply can not be equal when there is a certain level of wealth that is obscene and can only exist because there are still laws that protect them, many billionaires don't even pay taxes on their income and when almost the entire population of people who have barely anything to their name have to pay taxes we all have to acknowledge that is simply not a fair and just system.
Bring back grammar schools. In order for people to get a good education now their parents have to own property in rich areas. Rich areas = good state schools poorer areas = worst state schools. At least with Grammar schools bright kids no matter their background could receive a good education. Obviously it’s not without its flaws but since their demise private schools have increased in their dominance over everything. At least Grammar schools challenged them
I’d agree. We need some kind of equivalent to Grammar Schools. Grammars are not perfect and some of my family members said they had a torrid time in Grammar schools because they got in because they were bright not through money. Can cause bullying etc. Overall I’d agree though. There’s so many untapped geniuses going to waste in society. It’s time we nurtured those minds for a better future!
The big question must be: why do private school pupils do better? Why do moderate income parents skimp and scrape to send their children to bottom-tier private schools rather than continue sending them to the local state school? It only takes one chronically disruptive child to make learning difficult for the rest of the class. A top teacher who has to prepare lessons for four levels of ability in each class they take is going to be overworked. "Private schools unfair, get rid of them" is simplistic and may be throwing out the baby with the bath water instead of learning from a more successful system. Sort out the problems with the state schools first. When state schools are as good as private schools, then abolish private schools, not before.
I think a missing component here is more emphasis on the quality and structure of education in the UK as a whole. We need to start encouraging autonomous learning and effective research from day one. Teach a person how to learn, before bashing them with specific information you want them to retain. Everyone learns in a different way, so encouraging pupils to understand how they learn as an individual will ultimately give them the tools to learn everything they deem useful and relevant. Interest is required. More importantly, support in learning about their interests, is crucial for the development of the topic of interest as a whole.
The voucher idea is EXCEPTIONAL! woah simple and beautiful.
Milton Friedman's idea were never implemented in the USA (because legislators and American oligarchs aren't that stupid or pernicious, interestingly). They were implemented in certain South American countries, and in post USSR Russia, all of which brought bread lines and soup kitchens (no such things existed before the "chicago boys", look them up)
He thinks we need to not discuss wealth redistribution but insists we need to tackle poverty, but IT'S THE SAME THING.
Very interesting ideas for proportional representation. I’m going to get his book.
Looking forward to watching this... I believe it is not hyperbole to say we are oppressed. And in the worst, gas lit, way imaginable.
It is vital we either get them out in the next election or fight back, in a very real sense, should we lose.
Yea you are psychologically abused into hating yourself, your people, your nation, your ancestors and everything they stood for. Hence why you are a 30 plus year old childless cat lady take anti depressants.
Makes no difference while Labour remains the prisoner of the neoliberal right. They have no intention of changing society .
Wicked interview as usual BUT! PLEASE sort out your audio. Host mic has weird stereo dropout issues and guest mic clips constantly on higher input. Have noticed this on a lot of videos and it's quite straightforward gain structuring that's required :)
Very interesting talk, thankyou.
Love the content, but I beg you please to spend more time on your sound engineering! Levels between host and guest were distinctly different and your extremely enigmatic guest kept clipping when he was excited.
Finland abolished private schools !
Diverted all resources into state schools !
Ended up with the best education system in the world !
And a far more equitable and less fractious society !
Our Tories would never ALLOW that ! !
Ordered that book
Seriously, I am sure the young man has had very deep thoughts and put them all into a well written book. For the umpteenth time. Nothing of this is even remotely new. Why does every generation have to discover these conclusions again and again and again, like every 10 years?
I’d love private school to be abolished. However, talented intelligent children would still need to be nurtured to achieve their full potential as much as those at the bottom of the class AND there-in lies why we are forced to pay for a private primary where we feel our child is being pushed to their limit.
There are a mixture of abilities even within a private school and teachers assign more or less work depending on ability.
However, I doubt private school abolition would be the greater leveller people think it’d be. Lots of private school parents forego saving to afford it and it’s abolition would allow them to save more and give their children a bigger leg up in buying a property etc -
Also, with the abolition of private school the government would now have to fund more pupils, where would this extra money come from? Or would the already limited school resources be stretched over even more people?
Interesting discussion but left more questions than answers for me.
all good points
How do they do it in other good countries? Barb our children went to Norway and we’re so impressed with them.
Fortunately, we have achieved equality. Our long-term economic growth is 0.3% per year, meaning everyone is getting pretty much the same as they have gotten before.
"Politically Homeless" - what a great expression. For me, it is standardized Education that is the issue. We expect kids to fit into an increasingly narrow system instead of tailoring the system to the kids.
Private pools have to go too while we're at it
Do you have data on where the views for this video have come from? Interested to know what fraction of Brits have seen this
You have to treat workers as equal members of society. You have to give them the self-esteem which they can only have if they acquire responsibility. Then you will be able to ask the trade unions to behave and to abstain from those idiotic policies. Then they will accept some guidance from outsiders-from the government or the party or whatever it is. But as long as you maintain the damned class-ridden society of yours you will never get out of your mess. - Helmut Schmidt, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany.
What idiot policies, do you mean fighting for workers rights, health & safety in the work place, fighting for fair pay for your work etc
@@unknown_name_389 Would you prefer teachers and junior doctors become hedge fund managers instead - where will you go for your education and healthcare?
@left_blank idiotic anglossphere thinking; like doctors were informed on 35 % wage loss in real terms - or a lot of people actually would have such a freedom of decision.
@@unknown_name_389 "they need to accept they are responsible for their crap life" - are you saying that "workers" are SOLEY responsible "for their crap life"?
@@unknown_name_389 Are you speaking from personal experience? I'd really like to know how to improve my crap life - I don't have qualifications to "get a better job", I work 50 hrs/week minimum wage so can't study part-time, and can't move because I support my elderly parents in the area I'm living in. Can you help me?
If people have great wealth then they have great choice , taking away private education just means all those kids will go to other countries to continue their privileged education thus solving nothing .
Capitalism has given the world many positive things. However, for essential services it continues to fall over, sometimes spectacularly.
Essential services should, imo, be nationalised to ensure fair access to all.
Keep Capitalism for everything else where it thrives.
Whilst I can't stand first past the post and voted yes to AV, I do understand why we have it.
A lot of people aren't interested in politics to any significant degree and if they bother to vote at all (turnout 67% in 2019 general election) they don't want to have to rank candidates (parties) in order of preference, the average voter doesn't know enough about the differences between the parties to do this.
The ranking in AV is optional though
This makes so much sense: unfortunately those who rule us are running completely in the wrong direction.
Ollie great interview as usual❤ .
First past the post is the system of ‘big tent’ parties… proportional rep. Is how you get authentic parties…
The Iron Triangle: freedom, equality, sustainability.
The problem with primary schools is that some teachers do not have enought passion for the subjects they are teaching. They may not even think they should need to inspire the students. How will banning private schools solve this problem? I gather that the graduates of Eton are government ministers and movie stars because they more or less start university at Eton. All the instructors at Eton could be university professors. I think some luckier students in America have a US civil war reenactor history teacher. Those teachers passion for history that leads them to join the US civil war reenactment communities may be somewhat infectious in a high school classroom.
Daniel Chandler's book is one of the best ive read this year. Hes a brilliant mind and should really be in charge somewhere within our government.
Thanks!
Rawls is ONE place to look for that vision. There others. The kalahari, for example.
How interesting that weed smokers intuitively act on this, while respectable middle class householders resist it. Give two smokers a bag, they will have one of them divide it and the other choose which bag to take.
I think the most important thing not discussed in this interview is the need for a written constitution to underpin the rights of people in the UK. Without it bad actors and people in positions of power can continue to abuse citizens rights.
Rawls' thought experiment was based on the idea of minds of pure REASON and didn't account for the fact that minds are embodied, and reason is evolved in meat processes: We are risk takers and gamblers, users of quick shortcuts, gut instincts and rules of thumb... most of us would plump for some people to be a little better off, so that we have a chance of being THOSE people. (Also, some of us are born in rich countries with great genes.. so even if we have the same resources we will still accrue better lives.) Rawls was a utopianist and he was wrong. In a working democracy some people will always be disenfranchised.... but the situation in a healthy democracy will always be fluid and subject to change.
I think you are confusing scale. We have a problem with gross inequality: 0.01% in wealth distribution dominating 99.99%. You are talking about having a nicer house and car, and being slightly better off. Solving the problem of multi-billionaires does not mean getting rid of millionaires
Not the guy who has paid into the pot that is meant to support the Democracy u Rick & if yo genes is so great why u trying to steal mine?
there is absolutely no point putting forward principals or an ideologue which can't deliver .... waiting in vain ,.... Bob M
And Public schools.
Abolish private schools and see inequality not change.
In DC USA there is a saying, "Lean to the Green." Green meaning money (green is the color of dollars). The saying means, "Do what your big donors want." Elected officials spend almost all their time begging for money in the USA's never ending election campaign cycles. Corporate lobbyists write the laws that govern their industries. The elected officials seldom read the laws they pass.Meanwhile the Republcians, the party of the wealthy, deliberately fcouses on the rather dumb culture wars. And teh Dems often abandon economic issues in favor of priortizing identity issues. In the USA we do not have an "every vote counts" system. The Senate and the Electoral College are designed for minority rule. California's 2 senators are outnunmbner by teh 8 senators from conservative states which, together, only equal California's population.
Private schools are only available to foreigners in Singapore
I have a few questions, in case Daniel Chandler ever reads this. I really enjoyed this interview because I'm tired of the left/right wing dinosaur narrative, and there are more important details we need to think about in the 21st century. I have a few questions though.....
It would be lovely to click our fingers and have only socially cohesive public schools in Britain. But how can this actually be achieved? What about communities that value religious education, from the Jewish, Muslim, and Catholic communities which would demand their institutions, or independent schools that value certain styles of learning, or niches in education. Is there still room for them in a diverse free society, seeing we are far more multicultural than Finland. And wouldn't prosperous postcodes still be at a massive advantage? And the UK economy is largely influenced by big education private institutions that are internationally renowned. How do we phase them out of our economy without creating long-term damage and becoming more isolationist? (The Scandinavian countries are smaller and can afford to be more Isolationist)
2nd question, the democracy voucher idea sounds great. But wouldn't that be creating more "elections" and activism and more popular slogans? Do donors really influence our votes, whilst I have no doubt that propaganda affects people, won't this just create more propaganda with a whole bunch of fringe parties vying for "votes" in the form of funding via taxpayers' expense when it could be spent on national services?
3rd question 23:00 - University. In recent years, it's been shown that Universities in many areas of the industry have not been proven cost-effective for many careers (obviously not traditional jobs such as Doctors, Surgeons, etc) but in the Arts, Creative, Advertising, New Business, New Entrepreneurship, New services economy, where the next generation of successful services have succeeded without University training or training at a world known University. Are we too attached to this idea that University means economic prosperity, when it may be more accurate to say expensive universities reflect the wealthy in our society?
4th Question. At 10:35 You say that First Past the Post means that politicians only focus on marginal seats and marginal issues, but in Australia where I grew up, which has PR representation we are still a two-party system and still have exactly the same problem with politicians focusing only on marginal seats, with safe seats being ignored. Is this really more of a problem of the electorate area system instead of PR versus FPP? It feels like from my experience in both countries PR is only marginally better, though still clearly better!
It's still representative democracy. Direct democracy, particularly in the workplace, is where it's at.
South Korea’s certainly is not an education system to be referencing in a positive light. Although pupils are high achieving on average, the surging exam and other pressuring factors leads to essentially 0 social mobility for students who do not get into the top 2 universities (which certainly is not equal). Scoot ding to the OECD it also preforms the worst on Labour productivity per dollar spent on education. Not the best choice of comparison there…
Short sighted on the schools. First of all, the UK shouldn’t look at Finland which is not a diverse nation. I think what would happen in the UK if private schools were abolished would be that the wealthy find other ways to get advantages for their children. It’s not because they are evil, it’s because they are parents.
Second, the stakes of cultural and political curricula would become too high inflaming already contentious debates and causing all sorts of unintended consequences that likely didn’t happen in Finland because they are more united in many ways.
The Universal Basic Income is problematic in ways that could be achieved better via a National Job Guarantee (in Canada or the US we would say Federal, but as the UK is a unitary state that term has no meaning -- the point is that it must be operated by the currency issuing level of government). It simultaneously solves the issues of social dignity while remaining "targeted" (insofar as participation is voluntary) and providing a de facto minimum wage and set of working conditions. It also has the added benefits of being counter cyclical while also providing a price anchor where inflation is concerned.
As for reform of "liberal democracy" sure -- but if you don't reform it properly, it WILL be replaced by something else, for better or for worse ...
Best interview I've seen in a while
Which will make precisely no difference to anything.
I went to a grammar school and I am all for shutting them down. The vast majority of students there are wealthy enough that they would have been sent to a private school had they failed their tests!
I came from a working class family and went to a state Grammar School. It set me on a path for a successful career and a good life.I never cease to be grateful.
@@williamwelch1950 hear hear. Grammar schools are not so easy to dismiss for me. It provided me (without me knowing as a child) an opportunity for social mobility
In an ideal world though you want those who are academically gifted to be suitable challenged at any school
One aspect of Rawls thinking was to develop a concept of justice and fairness without a religious or otherwordly basis. That is, evolving strictly from human society.
Those hands have some energy man!
Inspirational!
Whilst Rawls' work is complementary to assisting the development towards a more fair and equal society - one problematic issue with Rawls is his position as an idealist, where he assumes politics to be an analogy of system of thought. From the presentation of human nature and corruption such an analogy is too ideal to work. This is because ideal theory does not advise how to solve problems in society that are non-ideal, as idealists like Rawls have not necessarily applied ideal theory to non-ideal situations. Therefore using Rawls as the sole outliner for how to achieve the principles of equality and justice, as well as the sustainability, without acknowledging Rawls' theory detachment from the 'real world' risks the danger of underestimating the steps to establishing equality, justice and sustainability as well as protecting them. Even though Rawls is recognised to be the father of contemporary political theory due to Theory of Justice, this does not necessarily mean that he is the only solution as his work has previously been used to justify actions by decision makers which have furthered inequality, this is because it appears that people are not rational enough and have pre-existing bias which are so deep for them to actually place themselves correctly in the Veil of Ignorance. Feminists and Critical Race theorists are some of the most prominent voices in voicing this - where they have felt the aftermath of the idealist view of what human rationality looks like.
Two parties cannot represent the diversity of thought, in India we have several parties.
The problem with logical thinking is that Klaus et al have far different goals than fair and equal ideas for the human race.
If you insist on sharing the wealth you prevent those who generate wealth from gaining by their added value, thus disincentivizing them to do so, and making everybody worse off. The answer is to cap EXTREME wealth and profits. Extreme wealth and extreme poverty should be seen as equally disgusting if you wish to achieve a realistic level of equality AND democracy.