Roger Gracie & John Danaher: Zoom Conversation
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- This is a great conversation I had with my good friend, John Danaher, who is one of the best jiu jitsu coaches in the world. We cover topics such as my fighting career, the leg lock revolution and where John sees future innovations within grappling.
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That rashguard is bad ass, it actually looks like a real leather jacket.
I'm sure he was wearing a rashguard under his jacket, money on that
underrated comment... unless it was already said before this then shame on you for being a copycat!!! lol i need to get one for myself
It does and it hides his man boobs nicely.....See the GSP TUF for Danaher mammary greatness
Hahahahaha
Just don't ask him about it unless you want 45 minutes on the history and finer points of men's fashion.
Danaher dressed like he's gonna go desecrate an art museum with the Joker after the interview.
Hahaha wow that brought the clearest image of the original Batman to mind. Perfect reference.
L m f a o o o o o!!!!!
Lmao
I think he's wearing an exact Mike Tyson outfit from the late 90s
@@patrickparson9628 lmao
Haha the one time John doesn’t wear a rash guard and it’s a beret and leather jacket?!! Amazing!! 😀🤘🏻💪🏻😂
Looks like a black rashguard underneath! 🤣🤣🤣
Where is he that it’s cold rn?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I couldn't work out why he looked so mad. He hasn't updated his wardrobe since he started buying rashguards all those years ago. What a guy!
Everyone’s first thoughts!!!!! Lol 😂 awesome!
I love John giving him a history lesson on his own family and even himself lmao
Had to pause to reflect when I'd come across that part. Just a wild thing to do
Yeah didn't enjoy that. Made me realize he's always the one being interviewed. Wish he'd asked the GOAT more questions instead of just talking himself.
@@mp9810 if you don't like it don't watch or listen 🤷🏼♂️
@@mp9810 he is literally there to be interviews by Rodger lol
Pretty sure he's giving context for the audience and just giving his story more form, it's not pretentious
Why does danaher look like a member of biggies crew in the 90s lol
because he is from new york, and gangster af
the whole thing is astonishing.. i feel like those of us outside of academia appreciate it the most
😂 best comment
Because of his bouncer past 🤣🤣
If you dont know now you know!
Why is Danaher dressed like a black panther?
thas a flat cap not a beret
He's supporting BLM
I laughed at that one. Nice one mate
Dude I’m dying 😂
It’s how he blends in New York
I am 35 and just started bjj at a local gym 2 days so far. Where was this my whole life. Oh and these men are amazing to listen too... im a sponge
Nice work! How are you getting on?
Same
i just started a few years ago and i already got my black belt :D
I came here for the rashguard but stayed for the thoughtful conversation
I am a Cornishman from west Penwith. Cornish wrestling has been around for well over a thousand years but unfortunately is only practiced in small groups. It is very similar to judo and the aim is to throw your opponent onto their back. It was practiced outside of mining pits and was written about on the battlefield on Agincourt.
Two of my favorite Juijitsu people! Taught my daughter a single leg today. I believe I benefited greatly by challenging my mind to come up with a simple way of conveying concepts to a child. Love hearing you guys!
I agree with the out look on takedowns starting at the 30:00 mark. I have been adapting my wrestling background and what judo I have learned into my Jiu-Jitsu for over 10 years now. The Gi provides enhanced wrestling options and a multitude of set ups and transitions. I have had wrestlers and judoka's tell me my technique is wrong. However it is right for a Jiu-Jitsu application to land in an advantageous position. Jiu-Jitsu is the melting pot of all grappling and is evolving rapidly every year🤙Great interview, love the channel
You're one of the very few people in JJ who actually try to work on this. Kudos :)
This is true for many techniques. Some judo throws end with your back exposed, suicide in BJJ. Wrestlers aren’t as concerned with guillotines, kimuras and others which you have to factor in to BJJ competition. Ive learnt this the hard way and it’s an area I really focus on. Doesn’t matter if you consider yourself sport or Gracie BJJ, if you can’t take someone down, BJJ provides no self defence
Firas Zahabi's video on Spider Guard made me realize that we should be more explicit about the fact that pulling guard is a BJJ-centric method for taking the fight to the ground. I feel there is a lot of potential for innovation there. Also I love what Hall is doingin MMA with his Imanari variants and of course any throws or takedowns that allow us to transition directly into a sub or an ashi. I know this is not an original thought lol. If anyone hasnt seen the Spider Guard video its DEFINITELY worth your time.
Its interesting how different Danahers speech cadence and tempo is when talking to people he clearly respects vs people hes explaining bjj to on podcasts. His speech is a lot quicker and less measured here vs say, his interview with Joe Rogan or even Lex
Thank you for this ... I’m so glad I found jiujitsu. I’m 39, I have only been practicing for about a year. I wish I would of started earlier.
Yeah, it's never too late to start though. To compete at an extremely high level then younger would have been better obviously. That said, you can still get incredibly good, especially if you're in good shape. You should be by now anyway if you're still taking classes. I hope you're enjoying jiu jitsu man, it's a really awesome martial art.
Great interview! John is a legend. Also, first time I see him dressed casually.
John's approach is so meticulous and clear, he has the ability to shine light on things that we might have touched on in one way or another but never managed to clearly pin down.
Two greats of the art that have common history but focused mostly on two different areas, gi and no gi
This is also proof of the freedom and creativity that BJJ allows for, no other martial art can match this aspect.
The evolutuon BJJ has been experiencing is truly magnificent!
My 4 year old 🥋Francess anntonia has just started at roger gracie Salford . I hope to see her go far in life 😎✌️
My grandfather got his judo black belt in New Zealand in 1959, so grappling was in NZ but just not as popular as striking. Grandad passed away along time ago but he used to say you had to be able to punch, kick and grapple so basically he would have loved modern day MMA if he was still alive. Props grandad
Good chat with John .... Roger Grace Champion and really good person!🥋
Can we all acknowledge the fact that Danaher looks here almost like the villain from Fantomas movies? I'm almost waiting for him to explain how he's going to take over the world with BJJ...
he alreary did in a instagram comment about his whispering skills
I've been saying for a while that Danaher would make a great villain
What a great guy Roger is, he became sentimental when Danaher commented on Roger’s young age. Respect
fukin unbelievable, to be able to listen to two masters like this, w/ a long history of familiarity w/ each other-omg
I wish i could have a long conversation with both and after every
sentence they say I just say “ I know”. Over and over.
Thanks for the opportunity to learn from you. For us in remote countries with little jujitsu is an amazing resource. We treasure the richness of knowledge we acquire form you. Now time to translate the conversation for my training brothers.
Where are you located?
These two legends are opening up about their point of view of the sport, JD is talking about the next way he's going to revolutionize the sport, and everyone is looking for the rashguard under the jacket...
JD is a boss everyone in the comments thinks he’s wearing a jacket... That’s his GI
Can you imagine a leather gi?
dying laughing hahahahha
Aaahahhahahaha
Weird seeing him in normal clothes 😂😂
He probably has a black rashguard on underneath
That's actually a leather-coat-colored rashguard
He’s clearly wearing a black rash guard underneath. Just Incase he needs to jump into a phone booth. Lol
It’s a stand in
My life goal is to say a single sentence with the conviction John says all his sentences with
This is a really interesting interview. Two very fascinating men having an amazing discussion. I'm a huge fan of both of these guys.
I rolled with Roger Gracie. Mind bending experience and arm bending, my arm, certainly not his.
that musta been awesome!
Yes it was, I was at Gracie Barra in Barra de Tijuca, sitting on the matt leaning against the wall and he called me over to train. Guy's game is smooth Man.
The rashguard is under neath calm down
The camera is afraid to turn the back to Roger
great eye-opening discussion and insight into the world of legends. My favourite line at the end, John to Roger: god help us if you figure out leg locks" :D
I was gonna point out the same, if Roger ever decides to come out of retirement having mastered leglocks the same way he mastered cross-chokes that would be terrifying in the coolest way possible
Huge honor and hespect for me
This is a great insight to how they developed over the years. I would recommend if you could to do a split screen. It's offsetting to hear John's voice and only see Roger's face and vice versa
😂
Thanks for the video, for the next one would be nice to see your both at the same time, all the time
I’m here because I’m doing a presentation report on roger Gracie. And he looks pretty cool. I’m now interested in learning more about ji-jutsu
Why is every comment about the man's clothes???? Are we dumb??
Listen to what the man is saying. Learn something. It's knowledge.
Roger is my favorite martial artist along with GSP. He would have been my best friend. Too bad he is half my age.
Having a coach like john makes a massive difference in how fast you improve but most people who start later in life, do so just to be in shape doing something they enjoy.and become good at self defense as a bonus. They arent interested in a career in bjj so improvement after a few lower belts isnt a big deal. John should be teaching younger ambitious grapplers who want to become great at it. Or his fantastic ability as a coach is wasted. We all know that for almost everyone, the teacher is the most important thing as far as becoming good and kearnung quickly and learning the best techniques. Ok, what i just said is ridiculously obvious.
John Danaher is a white Samuel L Jackson lol!
Just more lethal
He doesn’t drop the F bomb every sentence.
Wish John would come back to New Zealand & turn us into a BJJ powerhouse.. oh welllllll
You need to evolve a bit...In the words of Jim Jefferies..Congratulations on walking upright.
@@nik07nik 🥱 🥱
I Love John Danaher, I would love to have a long conversation with him.
I think John is 💯 correct on developing a take down game solely for BJJ
that backwards flat cap is the fookin truth JD!!
1:01:07 for Johns opinion on what is the most dominant position in Jiu-jitsu.
I saw Rodger grapple at a event in ca and it was something special how effortlessly and easy he made it look.
Seeing him catch high level guys with armbar from guard just blew my mind the first time i saw it. Like, how good is this guy that he can catch some of the best grapplers in the world with stuff i learned my first day of class?!? 🤯
@@harageilucid4352 yeah I had a similar thoughts , he’s rolling with super high level guys and catching them in the “basics”
Lendas, verdadeiros representantes da filosofia do Jiu Jitsu.
From @1:20:00: in BJJ the top athletes are expected to teach. Like in academia then. Except if you get a position at Institute for Advanced Study, which R. Feynman famously turned down because he felt he needed to not only do research but also teach (for a number of reasons).
Jon's fashion style is like a Italian New York mobster in the movie Donnie Brasco haha
I hope they do proceed with a second conversation. There’s a lot more I think that could be discussed. Interesting getting the sometimes contrasting opinions from the probably the best competitor and a highly successful coach and thinker.
I’ve never trained at Renzo’s but I’ve heard a few times that private’s with Danaher gi or nogi were game changing. Must be very expensive trying to get one these days
I bounced for 10+ years and I'm only 160!! And I 100% feel everything his saying !! Any one that thinks BJJ!! is not a good form of self defense!! Doesn't know anything about Martial arts !! It would of take one huge guy or 3 big guys ,to control some people!! But I was always in control !! Now I know why.. I trained and they didn't !! 🧘🏻♂️🙏 Thanks yo 2 great masters !!🙏🙏
O wow just seen this. Roger is a beast man. Johns a mastermind.
Learning Bjj is like doing science... Whenever you solve a problem dozens of new ones arise. So you can't learn it all. Just go super heavy on basics and add in your own flavour
I love roger gracie he so handsom and clever 😘💓😍💥
When you think in terms of joints and control, the root part of the lever is the first point of attack the closest to the body and depending on range between your torso and theirs and your ability to isolate or control them you naturally move out to the next corresponding joint, so a little bit of a failed arm bar that is defended yet you still have a reasonable amount of control simply move out to the next joint which is the wrist let’s say an individual does not want to tap to the arm-bar or they block it, moving out to the next joint becomes a good option and sometimes the period to the end of your sequence/sentence as Professor Danaher put it.
The fashion industry saw this and tapped
Really made me think about the differences between wrestling control and jiujitsu control. Wrestling how you control an opponent that wants to get to his feet mostly, while jiujitsu control comes into play against a neutral opponent or an opponent that wants to grapple moreso
Pure gold. 👌💪👍🍻Thanks so much.
Man, imagine being a white or blue belt and being able to regularly train with Roger Gracie 😳🥳
Great interview and so much great insight!
So you guys are talking about Kosen judo. Competent in standing position and excellent on the ground.
BJJ is largely just Kosen Judo
don't even practice bjj, just like listening to Danaher for some reason.
Same 😆
You like hearing Genius which Danaher has become in jujitsu (at least the technical understanding and teaching of it).
U should try it. Best Sport ive eher tried
I always find it soothing listening to true experts explain their craft. The more intelligent and experienced the more easily they can explain the complexity of the journey. Love it bjj4life
try it!
I did not know Matt Serra and GSP were connected in this way. Fascinating.
Danaher looks like he just went to some store and asked for a NY tough guy outfit, which he's now rocking for the first time ever over his beloved rash guard.
😂😂
OMG! They finally did come out with the Rashguard that looks like kick-ass leather jacket! Serious; John looks really good in street clothes! It's all about trying new stuff and stepping out of "the box"! It just makes you more complete!
Two great minds
Love both these guys.
The "best of your generation" comment is a backhanded slight. Roger is the 🐐! PERIOD! It's not close.
Awesome interview from two of the best on jj science
Awesome interview. Thank you Roger & John 🙏🏻
I knew it! Danaher is a Black Panther! ✊🏻✊🏾✊🏿
Danaher dressed like Mj in the last dance documentary minus the goggles
Awesome interview amazing knowledge drop thank you very much 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great interview really enjoyed it, thanks to both of you 🙏
He looks so unassuming yet can submit u in any way he chooses
Roger can you do more interviews please? Maybe your training partners like George St. Pierre.
Danaher mentions that the person escaped his headlock and basically that attracted him to jiu jitsu. Unfortunately, met purple and brown belts who don't know how to escape headlocks. Sport BJJ took over (in a negative way).
Unfortunately this is very true. You’ll find out how long you need to pin someone for points before you learn a headlock escape
@@pm7585
Exactly. I was drawn to BJJ for self defense and I was amazed in my first class that there were effective ways to escape headlocks! I then obsessed over learning and practicing headlock escapes for a couple of years. I continue to practice them periodically and every time I meet a strong tough guy, I ask the to headlock me so I can practice escaping.
@@هذاأنا-ذ3ث what escapes u recommend? I suck at escaping headlocks
We can change stand up by awarding different points for different takedowns in bjj based on how much damage you inflict.
John knows more about Roger than Roger knows about Roger lol
Hey doesn't danaher reminds u if Professor X from X Men
Which 2 judo throws did he suggest would be great for bjj? Thanks
Yoko tomoe nage and sumi gaeshi
Pretty sure he also mentioned foot sweeps earlier in the video.
The problem with BJJ on the streets is that it works 1 on 1, if 2 people attack you, striking is much better.
I just can't watch JD in anything else other than a rashguard but I can definitely listen
about 3 seconds into the video, after seeing what he's wearing, and thinking about it for about 2 more seconds after the 1st 1 second............i immediately stopped the video and went to the comments LMAO. I just KNEW people were gonna have A LOT to say about this haha.
John Danaher answering for himself and the interviewer is some 2000iq shit.
Interested to see how he approaches his takedown evolution
YES I concur; he’s rite it needs a complete overhaul or to evolve... or both
PLEASE KEEP DOING PODCASTS ROGER!!!!
Mans got the leather jacket on with the beret with the Adidas tracksuit bottoms on, practicality and style, John stays ready. 🤣🤣
1:55:11 the most surprised you’ll ever hear John
there can never be a comprehensive system of standing grappling in bjj b/c there will never be a bjj tournament that ENDS in a throw or pin or takedown. leglocking skill could increase because there are no points competitions that can END in a leglock. there will need to be competitions that can end in throw or submission, or possibly 2 out of 3 falls or possibly higher points for takedowns.
wouldnt this mean that the guard in bjj shouldnt have many sweeps options, since these do not end in submission? Following this logic, the guard attacks from guard should all have progressed towards direct submissions? But this is not the case, even when sweeps dont score high points. I agree though, it will never be a comprehensive system of standing, since it isnt meant to be comprehensive in a bjj context.
If a throw to side control counted as a guard pass, we'd see more takedowns. If you're wrestling on your feet you should be considered to be "using guard", the legs are in play
@@gustavwalterson6541 at first glance you are right, but thinking on it more the reason sweeps/back takes/guard passes are developed in bjj is because they occur on the ground which is where submissions happen 99 in 100 times. this sounds maybe tautological (bjj is good on the ground b/c subs happen on the ground and subs happen on the ground b/c bjj is good on the ground) but being on the floor simply gives you more control of your opponent than standing so there will always be a large disparity in subs standing vs ground.
@@kcmacdonald maybe, but tbh, if you had more to lose on the feet you'd probably be more likely to pull guard. i can handle being down 2 points, but if theres a chance im down 5 points in one move? that's rough. if you could also score sweeps to side mount for 5, then maybe that would balance that, i dunno
@@thelastfightingtommy9985 pretty much, a sumi gaeshi rolled through to mount scoring takedown+guardpass+mount points, or a Tai Otoshi to knee on belly scoring guard pass + takedown + k o b points would be great incentive.
If stand position is considered guard, maybe the points balance themselves out for more throws, maybe some throw counters are 'guard sweeps'
Thanks for posting this also ：）
Lol Danaher is gangster. I love it. He is a great person.
He has the history of the old fusen ryu or kosen judo throws
Why didn't I find this till today
Where is John? The North Pole? A beret and a leather jacket in June.
The sport should do its best to reflect the street fighting and self defense aspect from which it originated and standing should be equal in proportion to the ground.
Leaked photo of Danaher not wearing rash guard
Why is the camera on Gracie while Donaher is talking?
Jean Claude van danaher
I did not understand when Roger talked about the lack of "grappling" in Europe in the early days, i think it's the opposite, Judo which is very similar to JJ is a huge sport in Europe and well more developped than in the us
The U.S. has wrestling in grade school, high school, and collegiately. Europe doesn't really have organized sports like the U.S. does. We had a legit facilities, nutritionists, physical therapy, strength coaches, etc., in public school.
Thanks!