if he goes 35/35- maybe even 30/30, and pitches at an ERA+ of 100, he is absolutely the most valuable player in 99% of cases. Perhaps theres a generational year happening for someone (lindor is coming bro, he's due for some recognition mvp-voting wise.) But in every situation shohei is the MVP, he's going to hit 40+ HRs for the next 5 years, probably more, and if he's a SEMI valuable arm, that's just too much value. You pay 20-30 million a year for a valuable league bat. look at yordan's contract, he's a generational hitter too, but he doesnt pitch.
@@noahbaden90 Depends. if soto can continue to rake then yeah it's gonna be hard. but having a platinum glove shortstop gives you value inherently, versus a median/below avg LF/RF.and he's been criminally underappreciated (see ASG starters and compare them to lindor's first halves.)
I'd say anything above 20 steals is fine, there isn't a reason for him to steal more when he is pitching again and risk injuries. 21-23 seasons the SB didn't contribute too much to his voting
Yea he's great and all but consider the price tag. The Dodgers are paying him like 2 million dollars this year. For that kind of money they could have signed my garbage man AND my mailman. Soooooo, jokes on them I guess.
I think Ohtani will hit over 40 HRs 100 RBIs, 20 to 30 SBs and win over 10 games with a 3.20 ERA That's one of the greatest season ever and will be an MVP in any year.
Nobody was against Michael Jordan winning 6 MVPs Therefore Nobody should be against Ohtani Winning his 4th MVP. This type of talent doesn’t come around AT ALL
Its literally Juan Soto for Bryce Harper. Both Juan Soto and Luka are synonomyous for not playing good defense but when it comes to clutch time, they both seem to deliver, also they are both around the same age. And Bryce Harper and AD were once upon a time a young phenom and are currently still in the top tier of their leagues. Again these two are also about the same age
Shohei is MVP again in 2025 because his contract allows the signing of Edman, Teo, Blake, Ryoki, etc. And in 2026 they’ll bring in Luka and Steph too. Just because they can do it and still repeat as MLB champs.
The Juan Soto messed with the market. Every owner maybe thinking that Juan Soto got over paid and every players this year is trying to get more than what they are worth. If the Juan Soto deal didn't go that high maybe other players would of got paid a little better and a lot more players would of sign earlier
I had a good time lookin at degroms baseball reference the other day. He has over 300 strikeouts in liike his last 198 innings or some shit like that, freakin wild 🔥
The Luka trade is like trading Juan Soto for Bryce in the middle of last season but if Juan had a couple years on his contract, was a Yankees lifer who said he wanted to be there the rest of his career, and had the blessings of Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.
@generallukeproductions I understand Luka has a chance at ending his career as a top 15 player and your team trades him for a 32 year old with an injury history. It is probably the most short-sighted trade in NBA history.
@@Ginger2882., yep. Just organizational malpractice. EVEN IF Nico think it makes sense on the court (which it doesn’t) you still don’t trade your homegrown generational talent.
@generallukeproductions Especially not one who lead you to the Finals last season. Also they had a top 10 defense around Luka in the second half of the season. The answer was clearly resigning Luka and getting good defenders around him.
If shohei hits 30 home runs and has a 3.50 era he’s mvp lol. Even if he hit 30 home runs with a 4.00 ERA, he’s mvp. 30 homers isn’t much but you’re also getting at worst a 4th starter out of a guy with a 4.00 era. That’s already more valuable than anyone in baseball, and we all expect him to be closer to 40 homers and a 3.00 era. He’s mvp every year he does both unless someone has a generational type season (like judge hitting 62)
I get that Trev is close friends with Flaherty. But let’s be honest, look at the back of his baseball card. He had a great 2019 and 2024 and a whole lot of injuries and poor play in between. If he can have consecutive great years, then he’ll get paid but you gotta show it first
As I'm watching Chris Rose, my news feed tells me cookie Carrasco going to the Yankees and Miles Garrett giving up on the Browns... not gonna be Rosey's evening
If shohei hits 45 bombs and pitches 24 games at 3.5 era , he wins another MVP. Only challenge was judge who is capable of hitting 60+ bombs. If no other player matches or surpasses his WAR, it would be hard to not give it to him. 😊
AL Central favorite: Twins project to a better bullpen, better rotation, and better lineup that every other team in the division except the Tiger's rotation, and that's very close. Tiger's project to 4 players with a 110 WRC+ or better, the Twins have 7 such players *and actual offensive depth*. The other three teams have 7 players projecting to a 110 WRC+ combined. This is why PECOTA has projected the Twins to comfortable favorites. It doesn't matter what move you make, it matters what roster you field.
Mike Trout for pre-extension Juan Soto. Trout is great when healthy, but has recently been injury prone (AD). Soto is an offensive threat/juggernaut with (below) average defense (Luka).
Does Chris Rose not pay attention to Dodgers news? lol. It was already released before this interview that Shohei will not do a rehab assignment. He's gonna go straight into the lineup.
I think shohei could miss half a season and still win mvp he will win mvp every single season unless for some reason he misses an entire season and doesn’t play if he plays at all he will win mvp till he retires
I think if there’s a year in the next 4-5 years to not pick Ohtani as the MVP, this year is the best chance. He’s coming off TJ and a torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder. I know it isn’t his lead shoulder, but if there was ever a year to start off slowly or not feel right, it’s 2025.
@@yellomonky4272 You’re absolutely right! Great point! The second injury to end the 2024 season is why I’m saying it for 2025 though. And to be clear, I’m not saying he won’t win it, just that this could be the best chance for the rest of the NL
lest we forget shohei’s own teammate was the NL MVP front runner until he got hurt in 2024. if mookie stays at SS all season, he could give him a run for his money. but i still think it’s shohei’s award to lose at this point.
Assuming no other starter has 30+ starts with a sub 2 era (deGrom 2018) , and/or no other hitter has a "full" season with 60+ HRs/130+ RBIs (Judge 2022), then all Shohei Ohtani needs to do is make 23 starts sub 4.5 era, and have 450+ ABs with let's say ~.850 OPS.... but c'mon now, we'd all be shocked if he was that "bad."...
@jerry-br3th no sir let me tell you the problem is you may think I'm fresh and new at being a Yankees fan nope been a fan since 75 baby so I'm just repeating what I have heard from every single dodgers fan I heard it over and over you guys are buying it so yes I'm just repeating dumb crap I heard before thats all learn how to take it as you is on top of the world 🌎
if he goes 35/35- maybe even 30/30, and pitches at an ERA+ of 100, he is absolutely the most valuable player in 99% of cases. Perhaps theres a generational year happening for someone (lindor is coming bro, he's due for some recognition mvp-voting wise.) But in every situation shohei is the MVP, he's going to hit 40+ HRs for the next 5 years, probably more, and if he's a SEMI valuable arm, that's just too much value. You pay 20-30 million a year for a valuable league bat. look at yordan's contract, he's a generational hitter too, but he doesnt pitch.
Lindor probably won't even be the most valuable player on the Mets this year.
@@noahbaden90 Depends. if soto can continue to rake then yeah it's gonna be hard. but having a platinum glove shortstop gives you value inherently, versus a median/below avg LF/RF.and he's been criminally underappreciated (see ASG starters and compare them to lindor's first halves.)
I'd say anything above 20 steals is fine, there isn't a reason for him to steal more when he is pitching again and risk injuries.
21-23 seasons the SB didn't contribute too much to his voting
Yea he's great and all but consider the price tag. The Dodgers are paying him like 2 million dollars this year. For that kind of money they could have signed my garbage man AND my mailman. Soooooo, jokes on them I guess.
I think Ohtani will hit over 40 HRs 100 RBIs, 20 to 30 SBs and win over 10 games with a 3.20 ERA That's one of the greatest season ever and will be an MVP in any year.
He’s not gonna steal like that. He did it for one year when he didn’t have to pitch. His legs are gonna be reserved for the mound
Nobody was against Michael Jordan winning 6 MVPs
Therefore Nobody should be against Ohtani Winning his 4th MVP.
This type of talent doesn’t come around AT ALL
he has done that 4 times now lol crazy how he didn't win in 2022 while being 2/3rd in cy young
@@SPARTAHAWKSSHe stole 26 in 2021 and 20 in 2023.
You have zero clue what you're talking about. 😂
Its literally Juan Soto for Bryce Harper. Both Juan Soto and Luka are synonomyous for not playing good defense but when it comes to clutch time, they both seem to deliver, also they are both around the same age. And Bryce Harper and AD were once upon a time a young phenom and are currently still in the top tier of their leagues. Again these two are also about the same age
AD is a fantastic defender, though.
Trout for Soto
Nah, Trout for Soto
An .800 ops with an era below 4 should do it for me. He’s too valuable he literally gives you an extra roster spot to create more value.
Shohei is MVP again in 2025 because his contract allows the signing of Edman, Teo, Blake, Ryoki, etc. And in 2026 they’ll bring in Luka and Steph too. Just because they can do it and still repeat as MLB champs.
how about Shohei winning the Cy Young? that would be cool
At this point its just about the only thing he hasn't won yet
If Shohei gets 25 homers with an .870 OPS and has a sub 4 ERA, no other guy should even be considered
40HR and say 7 wins with 3.5 ERA will get the job done - unless someone does a historic season
Ohtani's AL-leading 44 HR in 2023 came without even Batting for the last Month of the season (shut down with UCL & oblique injuries).
If Micheal Jordan won 6 MVPs
Ohtani Deserves his 6 MVPs
🐐 = 🐐
The Juan Soto messed with the market. Every owner maybe thinking that Juan Soto got over paid and every players this year is trying to get more than what they are worth. If the Juan Soto deal didn't go that high maybe other players would of got paid a little better and a lot more players would of sign earlier
I had a good time lookin at degroms baseball reference the other day. He has over 300 strikeouts in liike his last 198 innings or some shit like that, freakin wild 🔥
Mid 3 era with 40hrs and i cant see how he doesnt.
Unless there is a 2022/2024 Judge or 2024 Witt-level stat line in the NL, that stat would earn him his fourth unanimous MVP.
The Luka trade is like trading Juan Soto for Bryce in the middle of last season but if Juan had a couple years on his contract, was a Yankees lifer who said he wanted to be there the rest of his career, and had the blessings of Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.
Just heartbroken as a Mavs fan. Not gonna be watching any games for the foreseeable future
@generallukeproductions I understand Luka has a chance at ending his career as a top 15 player and your team trades him for a 32 year old with an injury history. It is probably the most short-sighted trade in NBA history.
@@Ginger2882., yep. Just organizational malpractice. EVEN IF Nico think it makes sense on the court (which it doesn’t) you still don’t trade your homegrown generational talent.
@generallukeproductions Especially not one who lead you to the Finals last season. Also they had a top 10 defense around Luka in the second half of the season. The answer was clearly resigning Luka and getting good defenders around him.
If Soto gained weight the season after losing the WS and got traded for Harper that would be the perfect comparison
If shohei hits 30 home runs and has a 3.50 era he’s mvp lol. Even if he hit 30 home runs with a 4.00 ERA, he’s mvp. 30 homers isn’t much but you’re also getting at worst a 4th starter out of a guy with a 4.00 era. That’s already more valuable than anyone in baseball, and we all expect him to be closer to 40 homers and a 3.00 era. He’s mvp every year he does both unless someone has a generational type season (like judge hitting 62)
When Ohtani rehabbed in Anaheim they brought in the Inland Empire 66ers to face him in simulated and scrimmage.
I get that Trev is close friends with Flaherty. But let’s be honest, look at the back of his baseball card. He had a great 2019 and 2024 and a whole lot of injuries and poor play in between. If he can have consecutive great years, then he’ll get paid but you gotta show it first
Loving the Kannapolis Cannonballers hat Chris!
As I'm watching Chris Rose, my news feed tells me cookie Carrasco going to the Yankees and Miles Garrett giving up on the Browns... not gonna be Rosey's evening
Plouffe really said Contreras for Salvy Perez 😂
Thanks guy's for all the content. 👋
Ohtani slashing anything above 130 ops+ and 110 era+ I'd give him mvp (around 7-8 war)
Unanimous? it's gotta be 150 ops+ and like 130 era+ (9+ war)
Soto (Doncic) for Freeman (Davis) would be a better comparison.
I love Rose’s “Trevor is bullshitting around” face
Plouffy and Rosie: Baseball talk GOATS.
as a met fan i wanted them to go for flaherty for the same 2 yr deal or a 1 year near QO
Easily. If he hits as well as last year. Shohei is simply on a level of his own. NBA smells desperate.
If shohei hits 45 bombs and pitches 24 games at 3.5 era , he wins another MVP. Only challenge was judge who is capable of hitting 60+ bombs. If no other player matches or surpasses his WAR, it would be hard to not give it to him. 😊
Not feeling bad for Flaherty 25,000,000 is an over pay
AL Central favorite: Twins project to a better bullpen, better rotation, and better lineup that every other team in the division except the Tiger's rotation, and that's very close. Tiger's project to 4 players with a 110 WRC+ or better, the Twins have 7 such players *and actual offensive depth*. The other three teams have 7 players projecting to a 110 WRC+ combined. This is why PECOTA has projected the Twins to comfortable favorites.
It doesn't matter what move you make, it matters what roster you field.
Oh Trev, were you taking Hopium at that CNY party? The Twins won't be close.
he’s always way too high on them i fear
Rosey, are you and/or Plouffe gonna be at the Tokyo series? Would be dope to meet y'all!
Juan Soto for Mike Trout. Young superstar for an aging injury prone star that has potential
I’m having a hard time getting this out of my mouth - Chris Rose
Is trev wearing a thunder trucks hat? Nice 👌🏽
Paul Skenes for Stanton
shohei will mvp as long as he is playing
36:19 all-time C-Rosey line
The Padres are stuck with 9 more years of Manny Machado.
I like the Bobby Witt jr for Bryce Harper comparison
Probably a cy young, too
He won't have enough games
A 3.50 ERA does not win him a cy young
Young Trevor Plouffe looked surprisingly like Triston Casas.
It’s like trading A-rod to the Yankees for Alfonso Soriano
Kinda like asking if Jokic averaging a triple double earns him another MVP
Mike Trout for pre-extension Juan Soto. Trout is great when healthy, but has recently been injury prone (AD). Soto is an offensive threat/juggernaut with (below) average defense (Luka).
Soto for Trout
The analogous MLB trade is Vlad Jr. for Mike Trout
And equally valid question is will his arm last the season.
Best Luka/AD comp I’ve seen is Juan Soto for Mookie Betts.
Betts is too good, I'd say Soto for Freeman is a better comp.
More like Mike Trout with how often AD is hurt
@ Trout doesn't have a chip.
Then again, Soto does and Luka doesn't. Hrm.
Ok here is my Luka baseball comparison. Trading Soto for Machado and a pick.
Does Chris Rose not pay attention to Dodgers news? lol. It was already released before this interview that Shohei will not do a rehab assignment. He's gonna go straight into the lineup.
I think shohei could miss half a season and still win mvp he will win mvp every single season unless for some reason he misses an entire season and doesn’t play if he plays at all he will win mvp till he retires
I think Ohtani is an AI robot. Think about it
I think if there’s a year in the next 4-5 years to not pick Ohtani as the MVP, this year is the best chance. He’s coming off TJ and a torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder. I know it isn’t his lead shoulder, but if there was ever a year to start off slowly or not feel right, it’s 2025.
Was 2024, now it’s 2025 😂
@@yellomonky4272 You’re absolutely right! Great point! The second injury to end the 2024 season is why I’m saying it for 2025 though. And to be clear, I’m not saying he won’t win it, just that this could be the best chance for the rest of the NL
A good equivalent would be Juan Soto for Jacob DeGrom.
Anybody think plouffe looked like jake in the old twins photo?
Juan Soto for degrom = Luka for AD?
2026 - Shohei wins Hank Aaron, Cy Young, MVP, WS MVP, and somehow... best reliever and silver slugger and gold glove.
This wouldn’t surprise.
Flaherty lost a ton of velo last year, that’s why he didn’t get a long term deal.
There is no way the Cubs do anything else. Why do something else when you could do nothing else?
lest we forget shohei’s own teammate was the NL MVP front runner until he got hurt in 2024. if mookie stays at SS all season, he could give him a run for his money. but i still think it’s shohei’s award to lose at this point.
Trev ur talking about Degrom not winning MVP, look at guys like Pedro in the steroid era, he had a 1.70 era with a 290 era+ and was fifth in mvp😂
I think the floor for shohei winning mvp is 35hr/100rbi, 3.33era ^10wins. Any less than that, i dont see voters giving it to him.
Yes easy because he will destroy it at batting but u think he Era will be better if shoulder holds up
Juan Soto for mookie
5+ era no mvp hes gonna mash but he has to pitch as well this year off injury
Cubs will not sign Bremen no change
Assuming no other starter has 30+ starts with a sub 2 era (deGrom 2018) , and/or no other hitter has a "full" season with 60+ HRs/130+ RBIs (Judge 2022), then all Shohei Ohtani needs to do is make 23 starts sub 4.5 era, and have 450+ ABs with let's say ~.850 OPS.... but c'mon now, we'd all be shocked if he was that "bad."...
Dodgers ruining basketball again…🧐😆
Lol what if hes potching is just as hes gambling ? Not so
Dumb haters please get a life that's getting old, sounds like a miserable troll
@jerry-br3th no sir let me tell you the problem is you may think I'm fresh and new at being a Yankees fan nope been a fan since 75 baby so I'm just repeating what I have heard from every single dodgers fan I heard it over and over you guys are buying it so yes I'm just repeating dumb crap I heard before thats all learn how to take it as you is on top of the world 🌎
Didn't give $hit One about the NBA trade. I'm a BASEBALL fan.