I think if he stayed at renault that team would be in a lot better place. If he stayed at redbull on the other hand, i think Verstappen would have eclipsed him as the supreme number one by 2019 and definitely by 2020
Yeah everyone say he should have stayed at RB. Who knows how long he could have stayed when Max started to beat him badly. And at best he would be now where Perez is. Leaving Renault so fast was the mistake. He made lots of money there at least and his stock was high so he could have moved to better team later.
@@Kornn66Exactly. Imagine an entire team built around you and your driving style. What more could you want as a driver. Instead he goes to McLaren which doesn't suit his driving style whatsoever
@stevenjoseph6048 tbf he didn't know it didn't suit his style at the time, Lando and Carlos could drive it (although they said it was a tricky car) and Daniel might have thought he could handle it. And mclaren had a better trajectory at the time than Renault, so it was a reasonable decision.
The way Lando is driving it is already decided. Hes a 4 time champ. Hope lando will be less of an asshole next year and take his championship in Mclaren.
@@jimmy5516 Imo, not a chance. If Lando doesn’t win this year, he probably won’t win it ever for two reasons. Firstly Oscar is constantly improving which makes any future title campaign even harder. Secondly, if he bottles it after having such a huge car advantage for so long, I honestly think it puts Lando’s seat into question. Not because of Oscar, but because of Max. If Red Bull are truly on a never-ending downward spiral, Max is going to look elsewhere and there’d be no better place than the (most-likely) new constructors championship winning team.
@@gameofender4463If Oscar is that good why hes not winning the title? He might be future champion but its not sure yet. Last weekend he was bad. With the dominating car that mclaren had he should have been 2nd easily. It was Perez level drive.
@@gameofender4463 Max has better ties with Mercedes than Mclaren. Especially after what Zak has been saying in the media. On the part of him not winning this year he wont ever, the car will keep improving. If the car is even more dominant next year, he and piastri will battle it out for the win. And so far they have been trading wins. I dont like Lando anymore because of his behaviour this year but he has more talent than many give him credit for.
Daniels ending to his career shouldn't take away what he did in his prime years and what he achieved then. 8 wins, won Monaco, and one of the best overtakers F1 has ever seen. Danny Ric is a F1 legend and a great measure of that is seeing the respect from the fans, but most importantly from your peers. The fact pretty much every single driver on the grid has made a post to congratulate him speaks massive volumes of the guy.
Balderdash! He achieved a paltry 3 poles and 8 wins (half of them flukey) in almost 300 GP over 14 years is mediocre af! Was beaten by teammates 50% of his career and fired for non performance. Should have been out of F1 many many years ago - in fact shouldnt have ever been there - was much better talents around - only got in on image and marketing basis. Apart from Hamilton the most overrated driver of the 21st century - a midfield runner who somehow is treated as a Top Tier driver by clueless fans and media and given more 2nd chances after YEARS of repeated failure than any other TEN drivers combined - it just doesn't add up - all that slack cut just for bunging on a doofus Guy Smiley act? Are F1 people that shallow? You wouldnt even be talking about him if not for his mouth - guess you all just want to kiss him or something.
@@emelle1283 Don't be a clown now, those wins were in non-championship winning cars, you don't call that mediocre. He went toe to toe with Vettel and he was the last guy to challenge Verstappen.
@@brooklynsbaby4367 1. They weren't Championship cars but they were best-car-on-the-day from time to time - and thats all he won - a few races - he didnt win any Championship as you imply. 2. Vettel was a chump - only won with the best car and C grade teammate (Webber). Leclerc also thumped Vettel (twice). And youre deflecting from what i said - Ricardope has been beaten by 50% of his teamtes - Vergne in 2012, Kvyat in 2015, Verstappen in 2018, Norris in 2021, 2022, Tsunoda in 2023/24. 3. He hardly challenged Verstappen in 2018 - and theres only been Gasly and Albon and Perez since then - all chumos.
People want to say leaving Red Bull and Renault were bad decisions, but I don't really think so. The McLaren trajectory was a good call, he just couldn't figure out how to drive the car. If he stayed at Red Bull, he would've been No.2 to Max, and consigned to Bottas/Webber status, when he was definitely too good for that. Leaving Renault, while they were doing well at the time, is a team that has always underachieved and been tumultuous, as we are currently seeing. I think he's just been pretty unlucky tbh.
McLaren was never going to work. Considering Sainz who's the one of the most adaptable drivers on the grid said that McLaren was a handful, Ricciardo struggled. Also it seems like the 2022 regs just didn't fit Ricciardo driving style so maybe he would've "fell off" regardless if he stayed at Renault or even Red Bull
@@stevenjoseph6048 Ricciardo joined McLaren in 2021 so it wasnt just the 2022 regs. And yeah i remember Sainz saying that McLaren is difficult car to drive, but he did still beat Lando when they where teammates.
he didn't have the right fit with McLaren and pretty much any other driver who drove for McLaren would've told him that. His bias in driving style would've never meshed with McLaren, so no, he made a bad mistake at that time and it was mostly because he had already regretted making a bad mistake in joining Renault, although that was more so due to Ferrari not taking him seriously as an option.
In 2018 Daniel had two options - being beaten by Max in RB or taking more money and be #1 in a different team. Wouldn't become a WC either way so I think he made the right decision.
It was 100% the right move. IMO, the wrong move was leaving Renault. As Ocon improved, Ricciardo/Ocon would have been a formidable combo. Seeing how Renault/Alpine dropped Ocon, it's not unfathomable to think we could have had an Alonso/Ricciardo pairing, which would have been amazing.
Seeing how many races McLaren fucked up already its very likely that Max wins this title. 52 points in 6 races is a lot. Lando would need 1 dnf for Max. And i think Red Bull will still get their act together and Max will win the title by small margin.
@@greggazz4935 Red bull was better than Renault even when he left. He just couldn't stomach the fact that Max was better (not significantly better, but still better) than him and would be the #1 driver.
He had two options - being beaten by Max in RB or taking more money and be #1 in a different team. Wouldn't become a WC either way so I think he made the right decision.
Streets will never forget his late braking, race wins, podiums, shoes, poles but leave that aside for now… it’s his smile, jokes and positive energy… those are the reasons he will always have a special place in our hearts. Scenes after Singapore GP tell you everything you need to know about Daniel… everybody coming to greet him and being genuinely sad to see him leave. The main star of DTS in the first season and it’s him who made DTS so intereseting and that sucked lot of people in the series and in the f1. Sad to see him go but it’s time… its just unfortunate for us that we didn’t get to see him in a car he deserved a bit more often…
Yeah. Older drivers have been struggling at the start of those new regulations - Lewis, Checo, Sebastian, Valtteri and finally Daniel. Only Fernando and Nico managed to get a hang of them, with Lewis showing good pace this year.
@@TheFinalMeowntdown It was 3rd best at worst, probably 2nd best. No way that car was worse than the Aston or McLaren lmao those cars were midfielders and backmarkers for half a season.
@@Miaukot81 why Vettel? He consistently dragged a back marker to the top 10 and even amongst the top 5 at the 2nd half of the season. In what possible way was he struggling to adapt
I think Daniel doesn't get the credit he deserved. You gotta remember he's beaten some of the best, he beat Seb, Max, Ocon, Hulk, etc. The only driver he was never really able to beat was Norris and that was clearly because his confidence was shot and that Mclaren car didn't help him at all. With him going to RB, you gotta remember he was never brought in to beat Yuki and he was never brought in to win. He was brought in to help develop Yuki and the car and bring stability to the team. Which he succeeded at. There was also hopes that he would get his confidence back, which he also did a bit. But at the end of the day Daniel always performed the best when he was in a title fight, when he had something to fight for and in the RB that was never going to happen. He was promised that if he did that, if Perez didn't workout, then he would get the Redbull seat. Which is what should have happened, especially now because he would have the confidence to fight to get the constructors back for the rest of the year. In my opinion, He was kind of screwed over his entire career, Twice by Redbull and Once by Mclaren and the disrespectful way this all played out.... well it sucks, for me it's changed my opinion of Redbull, they used to be my favorite team, now not so much, Same with Mclaren. Same with Piastri and now Lawson (not that it's Lawson's fault). The way this was handled Danny Ric deserves better and fans deserve better.
He was promised a seat if he beats yuki overwhelmingly, it’s been confirmed that was the reason for him being brought in. He didn’t do that therefore they didn’t give him the seat. His confidence and performance wasn’t as good as they themselves planned him to be
@@reelevi Also, he says "he beat someof the best..." Max was a baby and already was close when "he beat him". And Ocon and Hulk? That's not great at all lol.
How would you know what they agreed with Ricciardo? He certainly wasn't brought in to get convincingly beaten by Yuki and why would they want to develop Yuki if they don't give a toss about him in the first place. You're blinded by your fandom I think.
Valterri was such a good second driver for Merc, he’s being wasted at Sauber. Don’t think it would ever happen but seeing him in a redbull would be incredible
And yet people are asking for Colapinto to take his place, with part of the media saying it should happen, part saying it shouldn't. No overreactions. Nobody making videos about how unfair it is for a Bottas type driver to be treated like this (when he's same Ricciardo's caliber driver)
Probably the most accurate, objective and detailed assessment of Daniel v’s Max I’ve seen. I really like the way you analyse and present your information Tommo. Well done mate.
Still, Ricciardo’s reliability issues were so bad that saying Verstappen outperformed him in 2018 is basically like saying Alonso threw away the championship in 2012 due to losing 40+ point lead. Granted his qualifying pace is naturally inferior to Verstappen’s, and any WC caliber drivers in general; any observant fans knew that since he can’t even match Vettel that had no preseason runs in 2014. But he had reliability issues in FP, qualifying and the race. Whilst Verstappen had virtually no issues other than in the race. Which means his pace is naturally compromised for not having enough runs in cars that are different almost every race. As you said, Ricciardo barely displayed his qualifying due to engine penalties, which means he also didn’t get to show his true race pace for the majority of the season as he was stuck in traffic. The closest thing to judge their true pace is at the beginning of the season, where Ricciardo is often faster than Verstappen on race trim despite having some reliability issues already that compromised his fp sessions. Also, top 6 finish is virtually guaranteed for any top teams that season no matter how far they’re at the back so I don’t get why you claimed in some races he didn’t lose any points when he retired.
Verstappen did outperform him though. He was easily the faster driver over one lap and even if you take away the points lost due to reliability he would still have finished behind Max in the championship.
Hot take: Danny gets a cameo at the end of the season after Mexico, when they dump Perez. Danny gets the shortest of leashes at RBR - if he doesnt perform, Liam takes his seat and both he and Checo are out (not sure who ends up at VCARB to replace Liam - Hadjar seems like an explosive partner to put with Yuki?) Lets Danny get his actual send off, Checo gets a farewell in front of his own fans, and leaves the door open if Ricciardo flops for a new talent/Russell to take the second RBR seat if needed. Liam needs the seat now for contract reasons, and RBR probably dont want to deal with Mexico City if they punt Checo just before it. I think the performance clause is still able to be used on Checo?
I'd like to see that. I wanna see Perez win his last race in Mexico, then just retire early. Then Ricciardo gets to race in Brazil and Abu Dhabi with the big team and if he gets top 5s or podiums.....oh bliss
Baku was the final straw for Ricciardo. Horner and Marko blamed him for the crash despite it clearly being Max’s fault for moving under braking. He knew he’d never be given equal treatment within the team after that.
The literally gave him equal treatment later in the year by offering the exact same contract max signed a year earlier... While it was clear already that max was much faster and more promising.. Also, he wasn't blamed solely breh...they just said that both were at fault or both weren't as in 'racing incident' and keep it moving..
@@muj2114 the thing is .. Ric is trialing his tm and the only way he's even close is leaching the DRS making up like 6tenth or something every lap (maybe more? was a big edge at that time).... His teammate right? And he decides (as the veteran driver) to go for the ultimate move, with nothing in reserve as far as the limit of the car.. it's really unclear if he's making that if max plays just a little bit nicer.. That part was on Daniel for sure...what were they driving 5 and 6...?
11:44 Not equal though. Yuki’s been marginally quicker overall, except a couple weekends. And just been more consistent than DR. You hit the nail on the head there, DR didn’t beat Yuki. But couldn’t match him either, and got outperformed over their time as teammates
@@Chris-sf2cp Hmm, I wonder what happened for that to be the case? 🤔 Getting strolled for two races with atrocious strategies to boot, and still on 22 compared to 12 for Daniel
@Aman-ti4qu Yuki maximised the car at the start of the season while Daniel found pace after the chassis swap before China, suggesting there was a fundamental fault in his car But over the season they've been outdeveloped by their competitors which limited the points potential and shot themselves in the foot with poor strategy for both drivers so much it's not even funny
From a sport and competition perspective RedBull made the right call. Daniel had targets to meet and didnt meet them, he failed to even beat Yuki and so Liam became the next best option to see what he can do. However, RB massively did him dirty by telling him his time is up before Singapore, but not making it public untill after. A driver like him, who's done so much for RB and is such a recognisable face for F1 as a whole, deserves a proper farewell. I genuinely do not understand why RB did it in this manner, what benefit do they have from denying Daniel a decent goodbye race?
@@edgardoMurnia Ricciardo is widely loved by the fans. He's likable, jolly and always up for a joke, thats what makes him such a popular man on the grid. He might not be a serial winner like the guys you mentioned, but he is recognisable anyway. Particularly in the USA, where F1 has been desperate to grow its market the past several years, he's one of the most popular men in the sport there. So yea, like it or not with Ricciardo F1 does lose one of the best characters on the grid.
@@DenDave_ Yeah, hes a clown. I GOT IT. Netflix made F1 popular on USA. Not Ricciardo. Acutally Ricciardo has been awful for YEARS and just this year, WITH HIM ON A CAR, the "bubble" started to go down. So this Idea the F1 lost an ace of popularity is not based on anything but vibes.
Yuki is doing well because the VCARB is an understeery, planted-rear brick. Daniel thrives in a pointy car kinda like SuperMax. He should've gotten a chance to show his speed in the RB20 over summer break in a shootout against Perez. Who knows if Ricciardo could've helped Red Bull keep 1st in the WCC by being a slight bit better than Perez.
If you think Checos style of driving is way too different from Max to justify having him as a 2nd driver in the RB, then Yuki absolutely has no chance. Max and Yuki might have the most opposite driving style on the entire grid. They can't just build two completely separate cars. I think Daniel just on driving style alone would do far better than Checo as Max's #2
yea in the Silverstone tire test in 2023, Daniel's time was close to Max's pole time according to analysis and that's why Marko immediately wanted De Vries out and Ricciardo in. So he was coping well with that RB19 the way Verstappen was. The fact that they're keeping Tsunoda and Perez who are actually floundering worse lately is terrible. Tsunoda is doing better because the car suits him and Daniel is having the same issue that he had at McLaren. They should've tried Ricciardo fo 2 races at Red Bull and then decided whether he moves up or is completely finished.
A more relevant comparison would be his 24 season taking into account each race and the events that lead to the results, including strategy. Anyone remember Ricciardo's 41 second pitstop in Saudi where he lost 5 places? Me neither, because they never televised it. Were it not for a youtube video I'd never have known it happened. How about when they let Yuki and Dani race in Canada and Ricciardo was attacking every other corner, then Yuki suddenly spinning out to second last place? Only Yuki's spin was mentioned on the broadcast, but not what lead up to that.
yea and in the Miami sprint qualifying and race he cooked. He took that VCARB to 4th in both sessions. He held off Sainz in the Ferrari for that 4th place.
If you look at their stats before Riccardo announced that he was leaving Red Bull, he was beating Verstappen in the races and in the points. After the announcement, their stats considerably changed. Now, was this because Riccardo was no longer motivated or that the team no longer prioritized him and wasn't giving him the best equipment? Who knows.
Max was already faster than Ricciardo in terms of one lap pace & race pace since 2017. Today's Max would've been at least 4-5 tenths faster than today's Ricciardo in terms of one lap pace & 7-8 tenths faster in terms of race pace in the same compounds & fuel loads. Max became a beast in every aspect of his level & his consistency is unmatched right now.
I feel that says more positive of Daniel if despite being in that tractor, he is keeping up... I feel this isnt a fair comparison considering the evident difference in machinery quality.
I’ve always had this gut feeling Ricciardo could never really get a consistent grasp on these ground effect cars from ‘22 onwards. Results might prove me wrong but that’s how I’ve always seen it.
@@stevenjoseph6048 definitely, it was shocking to see Hamilton look like he was regressing in quali but then in race pace he’s still fine. Fernando is just different I guess !
There was rummors that they conducted internal testing with some old car, and Checo was the closest to Max, and Liam was last. Thats why Checo is still driving for the number 1 team.
The whole quali spiel makes zero sense. the only metric that matters, is where you qualify on the day when it matters. every lap prior to that means nothing
10:13 only team a driver leaving has been given upgrade priority has been Sebastian Vettel at Aston Martin (because he was leaving to retire from the sport).
I think with DR leaving it get more evident what plans RBR have made for their future driver pairings. Yuki will drive the VCARB for 2025 and most likely move over to AM in 2026. There's no point in promoting him to RBR. Checho has a 2 year contract, which runs out in 2025. Liam will have 1 1/2 season of experience with VCARB and will 99% be the replacement for Checo in 2026, if not even earlier. He's from the RB driver program and it just makes sense to bank on him long term. So for 25/26 the driver pairing for RBR is going to be Max/Checo/Lawson, with Lawson promoting in 25 if Checo shits the bed again. And for the VCARB it'll be Lawson/Yuki with drivers like Colapinto, Drugovich, Mini, Bortoleto, Hauger, Hadjar waiting on the sidelines waiting to be filled in. Honestly it's a low risk, high reward situation for RBR.
True but he made a lot of money with those moves. Who knows he could have been kicked out from Red Bull in few years after Max started to beat him badly. Maybe he did the right move to go to Renault. Going McLaren was the big mistake. He made more money in Renault anyway.
@@thegorb2653Shouldn't have made the move to Mclaren. That killed his career. And ultimately he just lacks adaptability. Max, Alonso and Lewis will make it work in whatever car you give them. Ricciardo simply doesn't have that ability.
The fact that people are considering Lawson for a red bull seat next year is ridiculous. Red bull already know what happens when you promote a young driver too really, look at what happened to Albon and gasly. If they're never going to promote yuki they should at least put Daniel in the red bull for the rest of the year, I doubt he'd do worse than Pérez
I think most of the people don't understand is always like this. First a fast car then the driver have to extract every second of it you see this dynamic with FERNANDO ALONSO he's the goat, gave him any car he will be fast, COLAPINTO seems to have that talent too. Albon will become a 2d driver against Carlos.
Now, I am only paying more attention to F1 over the last say, 5 Years... But I also get the impression that Riccardo is less crash prone than Perez? I would take a consistent p4 p5 finisher than somebody that gets more p2s but crashes every 3 races.
Perez brings so much money on sponsors it doesn't really matter even if I have no idea if that's even true (the crashes thing). Also, are you blaming Perez for Sainz being an idiot?
@@edgardoMurnia They were both at fault. Perez was slightly behind and Sainz didn't move quickly across, so really Perez had time to react and Sainz had time to see that he was there.
@@talk2thoran Perez was in his way to recover his 2nd place. Sainz was so stupid he went at Leclerc and gave himself no chance to defend correctly from Perez attack. Sainz is a king Moron and cost Perez so much with it.
Ricciardo was at least given a second chance by Red Bull...Without this chance, he would probably never have come back at all. If he is no an option anymore for Red Bull, it makes no sense to keep him at VCARB. But Ricciardo's departure should have been announced before Singapore.
Baku was the decision point for him leaving. Let's be real, Max wasn't getting beat on talent alone. When RB handled that situation they way they did, then it was clear he was never going to win the WDC over Max there. Would it have been better results than it ended up in his career? Yes. It was still a reasonable punt to take.
@@tailonchallenger6471 This guys replies at more youtube videos, complaining about Verstappen, that he isn't that good. Some people still cannot cope with the fact that Verstappen proved them all wrong.
If the ending was always to drop Daniel without ever giving him a stint at the main team... they should have never gave him a seat, time cannot be recovered. The biggest take-away from this is Red Bull is currently the most indecisive it's ever been & are bleeding performance and expertise. They're falling off harder than Mercedes.
@@askeladden4502016 they were pretty level during the part of the season they were teammates. In 2017 it was verstappen getting his share of renault troubles (although not as bad as ricciardo in 2018), often DNFing when ahead of ricciardo. Overall in 2016-2017 I would say they were very level, but in 2018 verstappen really pulled ahead.
@@Meloen83 max was definitely faster from the very start, but too many messy moments from his side apart from the bad luck (which daniel also did have his fair share of in 2016-17). Ofcourse the messy moments were to be expected from a 17yo.
It’s just weird. He peaked so quickly but his peak wasn’t high enough to warrant a championship and he almost basically fell off after 2020 but during his Renault days he wasn’t as good as his red bull it’s confusing
13:28 “certain cars fit certain driver’s style” by that logic then who’s to say the Red Bull wouldn’t suit Daniel’s driving style better than the VCARB? also need to take into consideration all the times Daniel was screwed over with 💩 strategy this season. bums me out cause I feel like Daniel should have gotten a chance at Red Bull mid season when Perez was consistently going out in Q1 and Lawson could have had a go at VCARB. if they’d have given Daniel a chance then and say he didn’t do well then they could have put Perez back in or if Liam was wiping the floor with Yuki they could have put Liam in the Red Bull. or if Daniel did great at Red Bull well then there ya go, he moves up, Perez out and Liam at VCARB. seems like they were too scared to take the risk back then so well never know what could have been in an alternate timeline ☹️
I'm still baffled why they didn't go for Carlos. especially if they feel Max might leave (hence horner is now chatting up George). It almost makes me think it was Carlos who turned down Red Bull for the rising and unified Williams team. the reason i say this is because I have a family friend who works in a key position at Red Bull, has done for over a decade. he says the team atmosphere is at an all time low, the political shenanigans we see run deep in the team and make the whole environment toxic and hostile, and the abandoning ship vibes are real. the team is collapsing, i would not be surprised if Max leaves soon, and from there Red Bull with their driver pool would truly be cooked.
Someone once did a stats comparison from all the races Daniel and Max raced together counting only the races they both finished and Max scored more podiums, wins, was on average ahead of Daniel. Only pole positions were in Daniels favour but Max qualified on average of the whole three seasons ahead of Daniel.
I wish Liam Lawson the best and truly hope that Lawson beats Yuki and V-carb does not sabotage his car to keep Yuki competitive. For NZ folks no one is angry at Liam, they are angry at DrMarko who is behind at the poor treatment of Daniel. Had LAWSON moved to Vcarb and DR to Red Bull none of this would have happened. Just remember next year this could be Lawson
Personally I don't buy Marko being behind the poor treatment of Daniel, at least not solely. Ever since the whole saga between the Austrian and Thai owners, Marko lost a lot of control of Red Bull. Likely if it were up to Marko, Yuki would have been promoted by now, as he rates Yuki much higher than Horner does. I don't think Red Bull were especially bad to Daniel compared to how they usually treats drivers, they didn't treat him much worse than a Kvyat or Gasly. Daniel just deserves better than that because of what he's accomplished and how popular he is.
Danny Ric was in F1 about 90% longer than most other drivers, historically. He’s had his time. A great driver and a better personality, but no one can do this forever.
I'm sorry, but we don't talk about Baku?! Dan was faster all race, Max kept trying to put him into the wall, Dan finally got past, then Red Bull undercut Dan with Max and told him to pass him again!!! Then they said it was both drivers' fault... No wonder he left.
The Renault choice really is the wildest part to me when you think of how many PU dnf’s he had. I remember thinking anything but a Renault PU would be better.
The thing is that had he stayed at Renault or Redbull one more year and did the same team jumping he could had a good car in the end of 23 with mclaren. If he can put it in 5-6 in an RB at the Mexican GP then a 21 Monza style win isn't out of the question. If they tweaked the car to fit DR3 more then he could maybe still be in the winning Mclaren RN. The career path wasn't bad, just mistimed, by 1 or 2 years.
That 2/3 tenth is too optimistic, yes Daniël might not have lost it, but Max didnt sit still his pace is faster where as Daniëls has been in the best case has stagnated and probably got a bit worse. So I think you are looking at that 3,4,5 tenths per lap in qualy pace. Racepace Max has really cleaned up in terms of tyre management, and race overview/season overview since 2018.
I remember at the time thinking that Daniel made the right decision to leave RB because the Honda engine seemed even worse than the Renault engine and a works team seemed a better premise. How wrong I was but then we couldn't know.
I would have loved to have seen (and I’m sure the racing world would have too), Danny sub in for Checo for one race in Austin to see if he could make it work. But that would be in a perfect world.
Kinda hard to make that argument with a driver that struggled for years, I don't think a driver that got fired from 2 teams in less than 3 years deserves another chance
I'm sure that in hindsight, he somewhat regrets leaving Red Bull. But I do think he would have turned into a bottas equivalent for Red Bull, which would not have been the best for his career. But who knows, maybe he would have been closer to a rosberg and get a title during this 4 year period
What's commonly overlooked with Daniel is his driving style. Yes, I know to be as very good driver, you have to adapt to different cars but getting into the Vcarb, it had similar limitations to the Mclaren he drove just without the braking issues. Although, prior to obtaining the Vcarb seat, he tested in the RedBull that was said to put him on the front row of Silverstone.. in a car that suits his driving style. So why make the decision on him in a car that doesnt work as well and has the worst strategists? They should've put him in the RB seat for a practice session and gained real data correlating to the car he should be driving. Either way, this will backfire on RB like it did when Daniel left the first time.
As the cars changed through the years from '18 to now, Danny's late braking style of driving may not be fully compatible with how heavy the cars are now compared to the ones before '22 changes. At least that's how I think why his performance in Racing Bulls was about equal to Yuki's.
I think he will most likely a get a reserve seat somewhere hes experienced and for a lot of teams they will want that if a driver has got to miss a race for whatever reason. I know he has been trying to throw himself into Audi as their 3rd driver. As they will most likely want him (again experienced) Hulkenberg Bottas and Ricciardo in reserve is a really good team.
Tommo, you're not using enough data, you need to use every lap of every session to see the pace gap. Otherwise it's only skewed to whatever data you decide to pick and choose
The VCARB is an understeery, stable-rear brick that suits Tsunoda's style apparently. Ricciardo, like Verstappen, prefers a pointy car (like the RB19 and perhaps the early-season RB20). Who knows if Ricciardo would be closer to Verstappen than Perez is and therefore help Red Bull keep 1st in the WCC. Of course he'd be slower than SuperMax but......
He should have never left Renault. He could have done a Alonso and leave Alpine when it was at its best and gone to Aston. Imagine Dani in the early 23 Aston. And now Newey and Honda are going to Aston who knows how his career would have gone.😢 And wot about the races? In all the races they finished since Max came to RB after Spain 16 who was ahead?
True fact Out of all the 5 drivers that’s been max’s team mate he’s the only one that pushed him His driving style is very similar He left because he knew he will be another Webber when max came in 2016 and Baku 2018 was the catalyst
people say his decisions were bad, but I don't think he had much choice. The choice was either between being Max' #2 at Red Bull or being the #1 at Renault on more money (IIRC he earned double at Renault compared to what he earned at Red Bull), then going to McLaren, his reasons for leaving Renault have been proven correct, but he just didn't adapt at McLaren. So given the circumstances, I don't think he could've done much more.
Should have accepted his fate to become Max's Bottas, and he would have become a legend in helping him. He was done once he left Red Bull for a sorry excuse of a Renault team thinking he was going to win a WDC with them - yes, that is exactly why he left.
I think Daniel would be at least as far from Max as he was from Lando in the Mclaren, probably slightly further. In 2022 that was about 3.5 tenths between Daniel and Lando. So I reckon he'd be about 4 or 4.5 tenths off of Max. I think that puts him about a tenth ahead of Checo. Definitely not enough to warrant a switch.
In 2018 Daniel won two races but had eight DNFs that were not his fault. I think he suspected sabotage and decided there was no future for him at Red Bull. We had still not seen the best of Max at that point. If Daniel had stayed post 2018 there would not be that much difference between him and Max but Max would come out on top most of the time. The fact is no teammate of Max has come close to beating him except Daniel.
Definitely the McLaren move that ruined him ultimately imo. Renault’s car wasn’t great, but he had the position he wanted, he was No.1 driver, and I do think Renault would have improved. It hurts, especially as an Aussie, but the 13 years of memories will never be taken from me. Ultimately, I don't think he's at the same level of confidence he had in 2018. 2018 he knew he was good, and being slightly off Max was his best, which is extremely good, but with how McLaren and VCARB have gone, I would think there's some level of doubt of his abilities, and that's where his poor form comes from. So while I'd love to see him in the RB, I think his years of struggling would be his undoing even in RB, the team would know what to do to unlock his potential, but I'm not 100% certain he'd be just as good as 2018, 4 years of hard mental battles (which we should also point out, the sport is a huge mental game, and none of this would help, at all) will do something to you. It's gone way under the radar compared to the spotlight Daniel has had, but Lewis himself, said earlier this year that he's struggled with adapting to how the newer tyres react to be warmed up, and I think that's what Daniel has struggled with too. Like looking at race pace, his pace isn't bad, he is generally close or faster than Yuki in race pace, but it's been quali, since 2021 tbh, that's been his Achilles heel, and honestly, that's been his only weakness imo. When he gets quali on point, he is electric (Monza 2021, Mexico 2023, Miami SQ 2024), but finding the 'secret sauce' has been his issue.
@@Chris-sf2cp When I said “Renault wasn’t great” I meant the car wasn’t great, and the team clearly wasn’t in the right place to move up and be the 3rd fastest, at no point do I say he was shit at Renault.
I always found it funny how he went to the team that gave him the unreliable engine at RB
that’s because Honda were coming in to be Red Bull’s engine supplier and previously Honda had not been a reliable/quick engine either
Bro was sick of engine problems but he went to the team with the decidedly worst power unit
@@maxmagnus3793that's not why he left
@@hey_its_heatherI read that they were a GP2 engine supplier that used the same engine for F1.
@@maxmagnus3793 Renault was not considered the worst engine supplier at the time, Honda was unreliable *and* slow.
I think if he stayed at renault that team would be in a lot better place. If he stayed at redbull on the other hand, i think Verstappen would have eclipsed him as the supreme number one by 2019 and definitely by 2020
Yeah everyone say he should have stayed at RB. Who knows how long he could have stayed when Max started to beat him badly. And at best he would be now where Perez is. Leaving Renault so fast was the mistake. He made lots of money there at least and his stock was high so he could have moved to better team later.
@@Kornn66Exactly. Imagine an entire team built around you and your driving style. What more could you want as a driver. Instead he goes to McLaren which doesn't suit his driving style whatsoever
@stevenjoseph6048 tbf he didn't know it didn't suit his style at the time, Lando and Carlos could drive it (although they said it was a tricky car) and Daniel might have thought he could handle it. And mclaren had a better trajectory at the time than Renault, so it was a reasonable decision.
💯 he shafted Cyril who had built the team around him
No way would Renault have been better, they're so massively down on their facilities, and their staff are stuck in 2006.
The amount of comments and posts from all the other drivers on ig really shows how loved he is and has been in the paddock!
Meanwhile Rb and Vcarb commenting only one emoji. Even Mercedes had a better reply lol
@@Desoray113 could u specify which posts cuz I’ve been off ig for a while now
being loved got him 1 win since 2016
Indeed, says a lot
or how the PR teams are doing their job!
Max isn’t a 4x WDC yet Tommo. It’s too early. 😂
The way Lando is driving it is already decided. Hes a 4 time champ. Hope lando will be less of an asshole next year and take his championship in Mclaren.
@@jimmy5516 Imo, not a chance. If Lando doesn’t win this year, he probably won’t win it ever for two reasons.
Firstly Oscar is constantly improving which makes any future title campaign even harder.
Secondly, if he bottles it after having such a huge car advantage for so long, I honestly think it puts Lando’s seat into question. Not because of Oscar, but because of Max. If Red Bull are truly on a never-ending downward spiral, Max is going to look elsewhere and there’d be no better place than the (most-likely) new constructors championship winning team.
@@gameofender4463If Oscar is that good why hes not winning the title? He might be future champion but its not sure yet. Last weekend he was bad. With the dominating car that mclaren had he should have been 2nd easily. It was Perez level drive.
@@gameofender4463 Max has better ties with Mercedes than Mclaren. Especially after what Zak has been saying in the media.
On the part of him not winning this year he wont ever, the car will keep improving. If the car is even more dominant next year, he and piastri will battle it out for the win. And so far they have been trading wins.
I dont like Lando anymore because of his behaviour this year but he has more talent than many give him credit for.
He's been 4x WDC for a long time now I dont get the title fight waffle the gap was always too big
Daniels ending to his career shouldn't take away what he did in his prime years and what he achieved then. 8 wins, won Monaco, and one of the best overtakers F1 has ever seen. Danny Ric is a F1 legend and a great measure of that is seeing the respect from the fans, but most importantly from your peers. The fact pretty much every single driver on the grid has made a post to congratulate him speaks massive volumes of the guy.
Balderdash! He achieved a paltry 3 poles and 8 wins (half of them flukey) in almost 300 GP over 14 years is mediocre af! Was beaten by teammates 50% of his career and fired for non performance. Should have been out of F1 many many years ago - in fact shouldnt have ever been there - was much better talents around - only got in on image and marketing basis. Apart from Hamilton the most overrated driver of the 21st century - a midfield runner who somehow is treated as a Top Tier driver by clueless fans and media and given more 2nd chances after YEARS of repeated failure than any other TEN drivers combined - it just doesn't add up - all that slack cut just for bunging on a doofus Guy Smiley act? Are F1 people that shallow? You wouldnt even be talking about him if not for his mouth - guess you all just want to kiss him or something.
@@emelle1283 Don't be a clown now, those wins were in non-championship winning cars, you don't call that mediocre. He went toe to toe with Vettel and he was the last guy to challenge Verstappen.
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1. They weren't Championship cars but they were best-car-on-the-day from time to time - and thats all he won - a few races - he didnt win any Championship as you imply.
2. Vettel was a chump - only won with the best car and C grade teammate (Webber). Leclerc also thumped Vettel (twice). And youre deflecting from what i said - Ricardope has been beaten by 50% of his teamtes - Vergne in 2012, Kvyat in 2015, Verstappen in 2018, Norris in 2021, 2022, Tsunoda in 2023/24.
3. He hardly challenged Verstappen in 2018 - and theres only been Gasly and Albon and Perez since then - all chumos.
The thing about Lawson is that he has demonstrated over numerous different racing series that he is very adaptable. It's one of his big strengths.
Yep, reminds me of Norris in that season. Great skill to have as a driver
People want to say leaving Red Bull and Renault were bad decisions, but I don't really think so. The McLaren trajectory was a good call, he just couldn't figure out how to drive the car. If he stayed at Red Bull, he would've been No.2 to Max, and consigned to Bottas/Webber status, when he was definitely too good for that. Leaving Renault, while they were doing well at the time, is a team that has always underachieved and been tumultuous, as we are currently seeing. I think he's just been pretty unlucky tbh.
Yeah he kind of made the right moves. If McLaren had worked for him he would be fighting for title right now.
McLaren was never going to work. Considering Sainz who's the one of the most adaptable drivers on the grid said that McLaren was a handful, Ricciardo struggled. Also it seems like the 2022 regs just didn't fit Ricciardo driving style so maybe he would've "fell off" regardless if he stayed at Renault or even Red Bull
he would have never been Bottas status.
Maybe Webber but not Bottas, learn the naunce
@@stevenjoseph6048 Ricciardo joined McLaren in 2021 so it wasnt just the 2022 regs. And yeah i remember Sainz saying that McLaren is difficult car to drive, but he did still beat Lando when they where teammates.
he didn't have the right fit with McLaren and pretty much any other driver who drove for McLaren would've told him that. His bias in driving style would've never meshed with McLaren, so no, he made a bad mistake at that time and it was mostly because he had already regretted making a bad mistake in joining Renault, although that was more so due to Ferrari not taking him seriously as an option.
In 2018 Daniel had two options - being beaten by Max in RB or taking more money and be #1 in a different team. Wouldn't become a WC either way so I think he made the right decision.
Also dont forget Max in 2018 was younger than Piastri/Hamilton during their first seasons in F1.
Max inproved significantly since then.
It was 100% the right move. IMO, the wrong move was leaving Renault. As Ocon improved, Ricciardo/Ocon would have been a formidable combo. Seeing how Renault/Alpine dropped Ocon, it's not unfathomable to think we could have had an Alonso/Ricciardo pairing, which would have been amazing.
Perfect move.... Get that money you never deserved!
@@flyingphoenix113 100% we wouldn't have a Alonso Ricciardo duo as Alonso was only put in after Ricciardo dumped Renault to replace him.
Thumbnail saying 4x champ is wonderful
Lol I noticed that
@@MrMustache-yn4zm Guess Tommo is predicting Max retains the championship. Which I think is still likely.
what are you doing here
Seeing how many races McLaren fucked up already its very likely that Max wins this title. 52 points in 6 races is a lot. Lando would need 1 dnf for Max. And i think Red Bull will still get their act together and Max will win the title by small margin.
I called it in Hungary, sorry but lando is not in the running
Didn’t make the right decisions. He will be missed.
hindsight is a wonderful thing
@@greggazz4935 Red bull was better than Renault even when he left. He just couldn't stomach the fact that Max was better (not significantly better, but still better) than him and would be the #1 driver.
@@indcredible7839Yeah and after the Baku crash and team blaming him he knew Max was the favorite boy.
He had two options - being beaten by Max in RB or taking more money and be #1 in a different team. Wouldn't become a WC either way so I think he made the right decision.
You're half right.
Streets will never forget his late braking, race wins, podiums, shoes, poles but leave that aside for now… it’s his smile, jokes and positive energy… those are the reasons he will always have a special place in our hearts. Scenes after Singapore GP tell you everything you need to know about Daniel… everybody coming to greet him and being genuinely sad to see him leave.
The main star of DTS in the first season and it’s him who made DTS so intereseting and that sucked lot of people in the series and in the f1.
Sad to see him go but it’s time… its just unfortunate for us that we didn’t get to see him in a car he deserved a bit more often…
Of course is being a clown that made him popular (thanks to Netflix)
I think DR3 just couldn't adapt to these ground effect cars.
Yeah. Older drivers have been struggling at the start of those new regulations - Lewis, Checo, Sebastian, Valtteri and finally Daniel. Only Fernando and Nico managed to get a hang of them, with Lewis showing good pace this year.
@@Miaukot81 Lewis took P3 in the third or fourth best car last year. On for P2.
@@Miaukot81 Hamilton adapted quite well, though.
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It was 3rd best at worst, probably 2nd best.
No way that car was worse than the Aston or McLaren lmao those cars were midfielders and backmarkers for half a season.
@@Miaukot81 why Vettel? He consistently dragged a back marker to the top 10 and even amongst the top 5 at the 2nd half of the season. In what possible way was he struggling to adapt
I think Daniel doesn't get the credit he deserved. You gotta remember he's beaten some of the best, he beat Seb, Max, Ocon, Hulk, etc. The only driver he was never really able to beat was Norris and that was clearly because his confidence was shot and that Mclaren car didn't help him at all.
With him going to RB, you gotta remember he was never brought in to beat Yuki and he was never brought in to win. He was brought in to help develop Yuki and the car and bring stability to the team. Which he succeeded at. There was also hopes that he would get his confidence back, which he also did a bit. But at the end of the day Daniel always performed the best when he was in a title fight, when he had something to fight for and in the RB that was never going to happen.
He was promised that if he did that, if Perez didn't workout, then he would get the Redbull seat. Which is what should have happened, especially now because he would have the confidence to fight to get the constructors back for the rest of the year.
In my opinion, He was kind of screwed over his entire career, Twice by Redbull and Once by Mclaren and the disrespectful way this all played out.... well it sucks, for me it's changed my opinion of Redbull, they used to be my favorite team, now not so much, Same with Mclaren. Same with Piastri and now Lawson (not that it's Lawson's fault).
The way this was handled Danny Ric deserves better and fans deserve better.
You forgot about the 2015 season, Daniil Kvyat beat Danny Ric on debut…
Ocon and Hulk?
He was promised a seat if he beats yuki overwhelmingly, it’s been confirmed that was the reason for him being brought in. He didn’t do that therefore they didn’t give him the seat. His confidence and performance wasn’t as good as they themselves planned him to be
@@reelevi Also, he says "he beat someof the best..."
Max was a baby and already was close when "he beat him". And Ocon and Hulk? That's not great at all lol.
How would you know what they agreed with Ricciardo?
He certainly wasn't brought in to get convincingly beaten by Yuki and why would they want to develop Yuki if they don't give a toss about him in the first place.
You're blinded by your fandom I think.
Tommo really wanted to make this video future-proof
It will be out of date towards the end of 2025 😂
May we all have a moment of silence in our hearts for Daniel’s beautiful tenure as an F1 high performance athlete💔
*oo-oo-aah*
Valterri was such a good second driver for Merc, he’s being wasted at Sauber. Don’t think it would ever happen but seeing him in a redbull would be incredible
And yet people are asking for Colapinto to take his place, with part of the media saying it should happen, part saying it shouldn't.
No overreactions. Nobody making videos about how unfair it is for a Bottas type driver to be treated like this (when he's same Ricciardo's caliber driver)
Probably the most accurate, objective and detailed assessment of Daniel v’s Max I’ve seen. I really like the way you analyse and present your information Tommo. Well done mate.
The fact that 2018 is now “back then” makes me cry
Still, Ricciardo’s reliability issues were so bad that saying Verstappen outperformed him in 2018 is basically like saying Alonso threw away the championship in 2012 due to losing 40+ point lead. Granted his qualifying pace is naturally inferior to Verstappen’s, and any WC caliber drivers in general; any observant fans knew that since he can’t even match Vettel that had no preseason runs in 2014. But he had reliability issues in FP, qualifying and the race. Whilst Verstappen had virtually no issues other than in the race. Which means his pace is naturally compromised for not having enough runs in cars that are different almost every race. As you said, Ricciardo barely displayed his qualifying due to engine penalties, which means he also didn’t get to show his true race pace for the majority of the season as he was stuck in traffic. The closest thing to judge their true pace is at the beginning of the season, where Ricciardo is often faster than Verstappen on race trim despite having some reliability issues already that compromised his fp sessions. Also, top 6 finish is virtually guaranteed for any top teams that season no matter how far they’re at the back so I don’t get why you claimed in some races he didn’t lose any points when he retired.
Verstappen did outperform him though. He was easily the faster driver over one lap and even if you take away the points lost due to reliability he would still have finished behind Max in the championship.
Hot take: Danny gets a cameo at the end of the season after Mexico, when they dump Perez. Danny gets the shortest of leashes at RBR - if he doesnt perform, Liam takes his seat and both he and Checo are out (not sure who ends up at VCARB to replace Liam - Hadjar seems like an explosive partner to put with Yuki?)
Lets Danny get his actual send off, Checo gets a farewell in front of his own fans, and leaves the door open if Ricciardo flops for a new talent/Russell to take the second RBR seat if needed.
Liam needs the seat now for contract reasons, and RBR probably dont want to deal with Mexico City if they punt Checo just before it. I think the performance clause is still able to be used on Checo?
Highly unlikely RBR dumps Checo. But, interesting hypothesis.
0% chance
I'd like to see that. I wanna see Perez win his last race in Mexico, then just retire early. Then Ricciardo gets to race in Brazil and Abu Dhabi with the big team and if he gets top 5s or podiums.....oh bliss
All this second driver conundrum only increases my respect for Valterri. Dude was a dream-wingman for any constructor
Baku was the final straw for Ricciardo. Horner and Marko blamed him for the crash despite it clearly being Max’s fault for moving under braking. He knew he’d never be given equal treatment within the team after that.
That one was on DR buddy
@@Meloen83 how? Max literally moved twice under braking
The literally gave him equal treatment later in the year by offering the exact same contract max signed a year earlier...
While it was clear already that max was much faster and more promising..
Also, he wasn't blamed solely breh...they just said that both were at fault or both weren't as in 'racing incident' and keep it moving..
No way that crash was even max's fault. It was annoying defense but Ricciardo was the one who crashed into him.
@@muj2114 the thing is .. Ric is trialing his tm and the only way he's even close is leaching the DRS making up like 6tenth or something every lap (maybe more? was a big edge at that time).... His teammate right? And he decides (as the veteran driver) to go for the ultimate move, with nothing in reserve as far as the limit of the car.. it's really unclear if he's making that if max plays just a little bit nicer..
That part was on Daniel for sure...what were they driving 5 and 6...?
11:44 Not equal though. Yuki’s been marginally quicker overall, except a couple weekends. And just been more consistent than DR. You hit the nail on the head there, DR didn’t beat Yuki. But couldn’t match him either, and got outperformed over their time as teammates
Daniel has scored more points than yuki over the last 9 races 🤷♂️
The team determined who won both quali and race most weekends, Daniel didn't get a chance to prove himself there.
@Chris-sf2cp, didn't yuki get so many dnf's? This last stint was really unlucky for him.
@@Chris-sf2cp Hmm, I wonder what happened for that to be the case? 🤔
Getting strolled for two races with atrocious strategies to boot, and still on 22 compared to 12 for Daniel
@Aman-ti4qu Yuki maximised the car at the start of the season while Daniel found pace after the chassis swap before China, suggesting there was a fundamental fault in his car
But over the season they've been outdeveloped by their competitors which limited the points potential and shot themselves in the foot with poor strategy for both drivers so much it's not even funny
Didnt RB for example undercut Max to give him the podium in Abu Dhabi when DR was running p3?
From a sport and competition perspective RedBull made the right call. Daniel had targets to meet and didnt meet them, he failed to even beat Yuki and so Liam became the next best option to see what he can do. However, RB massively did him dirty by telling him his time is up before Singapore, but not making it public untill after. A driver like him, who's done so much for RB and is such a recognisable face for F1 as a whole, deserves a proper farewell. I genuinely do not understand why RB did it in this manner, what benefit do they have from denying Daniel a decent goodbye race?
If he's "a face of F1" thats a PROBLEM.
Imagine: Prost; Senna; Mick Schumacher; Lewis Hamilton; FREAKING RICCIARDO;
@@edgardoMurnia Ricciardo is widely loved by the fans. He's likable, jolly and always up for a joke, thats what makes him such a popular man on the grid. He might not be a serial winner like the guys you mentioned, but he is recognisable anyway. Particularly in the USA, where F1 has been desperate to grow its market the past several years, he's one of the most popular men in the sport there. So yea, like it or not with Ricciardo F1 does lose one of the best characters on the grid.
@@DenDave_ Yeah, hes a clown. I GOT IT.
Netflix made F1 popular on USA. Not Ricciardo.
Acutally Ricciardo has been awful for YEARS and just this year, WITH HIM ON A CAR, the "bubble" started to go down.
So this Idea the F1 lost an ace of popularity is not based on anything but vibes.
@@edgardoMurnia Ricciardo was such a great character who made that Netflix show so much more enjoyable. That's why he's F1's ambassador in the US.
Yuki is doing well because the VCARB is an understeery, planted-rear brick. Daniel thrives in a pointy car kinda like SuperMax. He should've gotten a chance to show his speed in the RB20 over summer break in a shootout against Perez. Who knows if Ricciardo could've helped Red Bull keep 1st in the WCC by being a slight bit better than Perez.
Thanks for everything Danny....legend 🤝😔
Maybe this isn’t about how slow Riccardo was, but how fast yuki is, in the vcarb. Will be interesting to see how Lawson stacks up
They’ve been pretty even since DR got his new chassis in Miami
It’s literally 7-7 in qualifying in that time
If you think Checos style of driving is way too different from Max to justify having him as a 2nd driver in the RB, then Yuki absolutely has no chance. Max and Yuki might have the most opposite driving style on the entire grid. They can't just build two completely separate cars. I think Daniel just on driving style alone would do far better than Checo as Max's #2
How do you learn about drivers' driving style?
Why is Yuki‘s driving style so different? Does he prefer understeering cars with planted rears?
@@ey1615 Yuki likes cars that are more stable, while Max likes a Loose rear end. Yuki wouldn't feel confident with the car as a consequence
That's just ridiculous. All of it
yea in the Silverstone tire test in 2023, Daniel's time was close to Max's pole time according to analysis and that's why Marko immediately wanted De Vries out and Ricciardo in. So he was coping well with that RB19 the way Verstappen was. The fact that they're keeping Tsunoda and Perez who are actually floundering worse lately is terrible. Tsunoda is doing better because the car suits him and Daniel is having the same issue that he had at McLaren. They should've tried Ricciardo fo 2 races at Red Bull and then decided whether he moves up or is completely finished.
A more relevant comparison would be his 24 season taking into account each race and the events that lead to the results, including strategy. Anyone remember Ricciardo's 41 second pitstop in Saudi where he lost 5 places? Me neither, because they never televised it. Were it not for a youtube video I'd never have known it happened. How about when they let Yuki and Dani race in Canada and Ricciardo was attacking every other corner, then Yuki suddenly spinning out to second last place? Only Yuki's spin was mentioned on the broadcast, but not what lead up to that.
yea and in the Miami sprint qualifying and race he cooked. He took that VCARB to 4th in both sessions. He held off Sainz in the Ferrari for that 4th place.
Whatever the case, we can all agree that it's been an absolute pleasure to watch him in F1, and the grid will feel very different without him
NJIOIIOIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The 'enjoy the butterflies' image they posted almost made me cry 😢 you'll be missed, daniel.😭
If you look at their stats before Riccardo announced that he was leaving Red Bull, he was beating Verstappen in the races and in the points. After the announcement, their stats considerably changed. Now, was this because Riccardo was no longer motivated or that the team no longer prioritized him and wasn't giving him the best equipment? Who knows.
Max was already faster than Ricciardo in terms of one lap pace & race pace since 2017.
Today's Max would've been at least 4-5 tenths faster than today's Ricciardo in terms of one lap pace & 7-8 tenths faster in terms of race pace in the same compounds & fuel loads.
Max became a beast in every aspect of his level & his consistency is unmatched right now.
still closer than Perez 🙃and maybe keeping Red Bull in the lead of constructors for longer.......crucial now isn't it?
Even the 15-6 qualifying head-to-head might be affected by the fact that Daniel didn't try in some qualifying sessions due to his grid penalties.
I feel that says more positive of Daniel if despite being in that tractor, he is keeping up...
I feel this isnt a fair comparison considering the evident difference in machinery quality.
I’ve always had this gut feeling Ricciardo could never really get a consistent grasp on these ground effect cars from ‘22 onwards.
Results might prove me wrong but that’s how I’ve always seen it.
You're probably right. It seems like a lot of drivers has kinda been "nerfed" with those new regs. Hamilton is another one in regards to qualifying.
@@stevenjoseph6048Time will tell
@@stevenjoseph6048 definitely, it was shocking to see Hamilton look like he was regressing in quali but then in race pace he’s still fine. Fernando is just different I guess !
There was rummors that they conducted internal testing with some old car, and Checo was the closest to Max, and Liam was last. Thats why Checo is still driving for the number 1 team.
Can I just say I enjoyed your choice in background music here? It's catchy 😀
I like the Gran Turismo OST you used in the background. Good taste
even as a kiwi and liam lawson fan god i wish we got to see danny vs max in a prime performance red bull
It wouldn't be close. Granted, Ricciardo would be better than Perez and steal some wins here and there, but no, it wouldn't be close either.
@@edgardoMurnia yeah i agree
The whole quali spiel makes zero sense. the only metric that matters, is where you qualify on the day when it matters. every lap prior to that means nothing
Even the 15-6 qualifying head-to-head might be affected by the fact that Daniel didn't try in some qualifying sessions due to his grid penalties.
Can’t wait for the announcement the day after Abu Dhabi that Daniel is in the Red Bull next year
not happening
the cope is crazy but i respect it haha
10:13 only team a driver leaving has been given upgrade priority has been Sebastian Vettel at Aston Martin (because he was leaving to retire from the sport).
I think with DR leaving it get more evident what plans RBR have made for their future driver pairings. Yuki will drive the VCARB for 2025 and most likely move over to AM in 2026. There's no point in promoting him to RBR. Checho has a 2 year contract, which runs out in 2025. Liam will have 1 1/2 season of experience with VCARB and will 99% be the replacement for Checo in 2026, if not even earlier. He's from the RB driver program and it just makes sense to bank on him long term.
So for 25/26 the driver pairing for RBR is going to be Max/Checo/Lawson, with Lawson promoting in 25 if Checo shits the bed again. And for the VCARB it'll be Lawson/Yuki with drivers like Colapinto, Drugovich, Mini, Bortoleto, Hauger, Hadjar waiting on the sidelines waiting to be filled in. Honestly it's a low risk, high reward situation for RBR.
In 2018, DR is in his 8th year in F1 Tommo. 2011 at HRT, remember.
Riccardo ruined himself, sucks to see the good guy go down. Its on him
Ruined himself? How.
he was beating yuki over the last 10 races
True but he made a lot of money with those moves. Who knows he could have been kicked out from Red Bull in few years after Max started to beat him badly. Maybe he did the right move to go to Renault. Going McLaren was the big mistake. He made more money in Renault anyway.
@@thegorb2653Shouldn't have made the move to Mclaren. That killed his career. And ultimately he just lacks adaptability. Max, Alonso and Lewis will make it work in whatever car you give them. Ricciardo simply doesn't have that ability.
Yeah it’s never Dan’s fault ever
It would be interesting to compare the gaps beteen Danny and Max in relation with the gaps to, Gassly, Albon and Checo
The fact that people are considering Lawson for a red bull seat next year is ridiculous. Red bull already know what happens when you promote a young driver too really, look at what happened to Albon and gasly. If they're never going to promote yuki they should at least put Daniel in the red bull for the rest of the year, I doubt he'd do worse than Pérez
Daniel should be where has been best for years... on a Reality show
I think most of the people don't understand is always like this. First a fast car then the driver have to extract every second of it you see this dynamic with FERNANDO ALONSO he's the goat, gave him any car he will be fast, COLAPINTO seems to have that talent too.
Albon will become a 2d driver against Carlos.
F1 content at its peak. Uploads video about Ricciardo - comments? LANDO BEST! NO PIASTRI BEST!
Now, I am only paying more attention to F1 over the last say, 5 Years... But I also get the impression that Riccardo is less crash prone than Perez? I would take a consistent p4 p5 finisher than somebody that gets more p2s but crashes every 3 races.
Yes. Perez's damage bill this year is around $4.5M and Ricciardo's is around $1M.
@@talk2thoran I wonder what the difference would be if we add and compare the last 5 years
Perez brings so much money on sponsors it doesn't really matter even if I have no idea if that's even true (the crashes thing). Also, are you blaming Perez for Sainz being an idiot?
@@edgardoMurnia They were both at fault. Perez was slightly behind and Sainz didn't move quickly across, so really Perez had time to react and Sainz had time to see that he was there.
@@talk2thoran Perez was in his way to recover his 2nd place. Sainz was so stupid he went at Leclerc and gave himself no chance to defend correctly from Perez attack.
Sainz is a king Moron and cost Perez so much with it.
One thing about Ricciardo is almost every single one of those race wins was an absolute banger
Ricciardo was at least given a second chance by Red Bull...Without this chance, he would probably never have come back at all. If he is no an option anymore for Red Bull, it makes no sense to keep him at VCARB. But Ricciardo's departure should have been announced before Singapore.
Baku was the decision point for him leaving. Let's be real, Max wasn't getting beat on talent alone. When RB handled that situation they way they did, then it was clear he was never going to win the WDC over Max there.
Would it have been better results than it ended up in his career? Yes. It was still a reasonable punt to take.
I would liked him to have stayed and duked it out with Max. It almost felt like he was shrinking from a fight.
Daniel was nowhere near as talented as max lol. I hope you don’t actually think that
@@tailonchallenger6471 This guys replies at more youtube videos, complaining about Verstappen, that he isn't that good. Some people still cannot cope with the fact that Verstappen proved them all wrong.
@@erikvermolen8371 that’s how yk you’re great 😭
If the ending was always to drop Daniel without ever giving him a stint at the main team... they should have never gave him a seat, time cannot be recovered. The biggest take-away from this is Red Bull is currently the most indecisive it's ever been & are bleeding performance and expertise. They're falling off harder than Mercedes.
Damn yuki has been overlooked by another creator. If he out performs Liam again for 6 races I want him in the Red Bull seat next season.
Overlooked how? This video has nothing to do with him lol
@@Duval-In-The-Wall when talking about who will replace Perez.
@@gretsky3463
That’s because Red Bull do not consider him an option, so it’s pointless to bring it up
@@Duval-In-The-Wall that’s not the point
Regardless of stats and performance, I'm going to miss him dearly :c
Daniel lost to a unrefined, undisciplined, immature Max. Imagine it now
He beat the unrefined max. 2018 was the year Max matured, especially after his Monaco crash.
Says more about Max than Daniel tbh
Daniel of redbull would've always beaten max
@@askeladden4502016 they were pretty level during the part of the season they were teammates. In 2017 it was verstappen getting his share of renault troubles (although not as bad as ricciardo in 2018), often DNFing when ahead of ricciardo. Overall in 2016-2017 I would say they were very level, but in 2018 verstappen really pulled ahead.
@@Meloen83 max was definitely faster from the very start, but too many messy moments from his side apart from the bad luck (which daniel also did have his fair share of in 2016-17). Ofcourse the messy moments were to be expected from a 17yo.
It’s just weird. He peaked so quickly but his peak wasn’t high enough to warrant a championship and he almost basically fell off after 2020 but during his Renault days he wasn’t as good as his red bull it’s confusing
13:28 “certain cars fit certain driver’s style” by that logic then who’s to say the Red Bull wouldn’t suit Daniel’s driving style better than the VCARB? also need to take into consideration all the times Daniel was screwed over with 💩 strategy this season. bums me out cause I feel like Daniel should have gotten a chance at Red Bull mid season when Perez was consistently going out in Q1 and Lawson could have had a go at VCARB. if they’d have given Daniel a chance then and say he didn’t do well then they could have put Perez back in or if Liam was wiping the floor with Yuki they could have put Liam in the Red Bull. or if Daniel did great at Red Bull well then there ya go, he moves up, Perez out and Liam at VCARB. seems like they were too scared to take the risk back then so well never know what could have been in an alternate timeline ☹️
I recall the vcarb being a strong rear ended car similar to the mclaren so I'm not too surprised a similar problem emerged.
I'm still baffled why they didn't go for Carlos. especially if they feel Max might leave (hence horner is now chatting up George).
It almost makes me think it was Carlos who turned down Red Bull for the rising and unified Williams team.
the reason i say this is because I have a family friend who works in a key position at Red Bull, has done for over a decade. he says the team atmosphere is at an all time low, the political shenanigans we see run deep in the team and make the whole environment toxic and hostile, and the abandoning ship vibes are real. the team is collapsing, i would not be surprised if Max leaves soon, and from there Red Bull with their driver pool would truly be cooked.
When team mates at torro rosso the relationship was toxic
@@escos0410 given the state of red bull atm that is hardly a valid justification.
Someone once did a stats comparison from all the races Daniel and Max raced together counting only the races they both finished and Max scored more podiums, wins, was on average ahead of Daniel. Only pole positions were in Daniels favour but Max qualified on average of the whole three seasons ahead of Daniel.
I like DR but people are also overreacting...
Tommo jinxing it with the 4x
siverstone 2023
he is still quick
I wish Liam Lawson the best and truly hope that Lawson beats Yuki and V-carb does not sabotage his car to keep Yuki competitive.
For NZ folks no one is angry at Liam, they are angry at DrMarko who is behind at the poor treatment of Daniel.
Had LAWSON moved to Vcarb and DR to Red Bull none of this would have happened.
Just remember next year this could be Lawson
I bet a lot of Mexicans would be angry.
Personally I don't buy Marko being behind the poor treatment of Daniel, at least not solely. Ever since the whole saga between the Austrian and Thai owners, Marko lost a lot of control of Red Bull.
Likely if it were up to Marko, Yuki would have been promoted by now, as he rates Yuki much higher than Horner does. I don't think Red Bull were especially bad to Daniel compared to how they usually treats drivers, they didn't treat him much worse than a Kvyat or Gasly. Daniel just deserves better than that because of what he's accomplished and how popular he is.
Danny Ric was in F1 about 90% longer than most other drivers, historically. He’s had his time. A great driver and a better personality, but no one can do this forever.
I'm sorry, but we don't talk about Baku?!
Dan was faster all race, Max kept trying to put him into the wall, Dan finally got past, then Red Bull undercut Dan with Max and told him to pass him again!!! Then they said it was both drivers' fault... No wonder he left.
Pictures you show in this video have the wrong black level. It's 16-235 (limited range) instead of SRGB full range (0-255).
The Renault choice really is the wildest part to me when you think of how many PU dnf’s he had. I remember thinking anything but a Renault PU would be better.
The thing is that had he stayed at Renault or Redbull one more year and did the same team jumping he could had a good car in the end of 23 with mclaren. If he can put it in 5-6 in an RB at the Mexican GP then a 21 Monza style win isn't out of the question.
If they tweaked the car to fit DR3 more then he could maybe still be in the winning Mclaren RN.
The career path wasn't bad, just mistimed, by 1 or 2 years.
That 2/3 tenth is too optimistic, yes Daniël might not have lost it, but Max didnt sit still his pace is faster where as Daniëls has been in the best case has stagnated and probably got a bit worse. So I think you are looking at that 3,4,5 tenths per lap in qualy pace. Racepace Max has really cleaned up in terms of tyre management, and race overview/season overview since 2018.
Song at 03:55?
I remember at the time thinking that Daniel made the right decision to leave RB because the Honda engine seemed even worse than the Renault engine and a works team seemed a better premise. How wrong I was but then we couldn't know.
I would have loved to have seen (and I’m sure the racing world would have too), Danny sub in for Checo for one race in Austin to see if he could make it work. But that would be in a perfect world.
Kinda hard to make that argument with a driver that struggled for years, I don't think a driver that got fired from 2 teams in less than 3 years deserves another chance
True!
F1 is littered with “what if’s” over the years. Kinda what keeps it interesting.
the new regulations finished him I think. Late braking is really not rewarding with the current cars and tyres
I'm sure that in hindsight, he somewhat regrets leaving Red Bull. But I do think he would have turned into a bottas equivalent for Red Bull, which would not have been the best for his career. But who knows, maybe he would have been closer to a rosberg and get a title during this 4 year period
I agree. I think he stepped away from the fight and he should taken that bull by the horns!
What's commonly overlooked with Daniel is his driving style. Yes, I know to be as very good driver, you have to adapt to different cars but getting into the Vcarb, it had similar limitations to the Mclaren he drove just without the braking issues. Although, prior to obtaining the Vcarb seat, he tested in the RedBull that was said to put him on the front row of Silverstone.. in a car that suits his driving style. So why make the decision on him in a car that doesnt work as well and has the worst strategists? They should've put him in the RB seat for a practice session and gained real data correlating to the car he should be driving. Either way, this will backfire on RB like it did when Daniel left the first time.
Even the 15-6 qualifying head-to-head might be affected by the fact that Daniel didn't try in some qualifying sessions due to his grid penalties.
What's up with that beeping noise everytime you add a photo? Editing issues?
As the cars changed through the years from '18 to now, Danny's late braking style of driving may not be fully compatible with how heavy the cars are now compared to the ones before '22 changes. At least that's how I think why his performance in Racing Bulls was about equal to Yuki's.
I think he will most likely a get a reserve seat somewhere hes experienced and for a lot of teams they will want that if a driver has got to miss a race for whatever reason.
I know he has been trying to throw himself into Audi as their 3rd driver. As they will most likely want him (again experienced)
Hulkenberg Bottas and Ricciardo in reserve is a really good team.
Ricciardo over Bottas.
@@talk2thoran Agreed. But what we want to happen and what will happen arent the same :P
I think Daniel could of been a world champion at Red Bull. Daniel's driving style was good with that red bull car. Definitely 1 WDC.
Tommo, you're not using enough data, you need to use every lap of every session to see the pace gap. Otherwise it's only skewed to whatever data you decide to pick and choose
Thumbnail be wildin
The VCARB is an understeery, stable-rear brick that suits Tsunoda's style apparently. Ricciardo, like Verstappen, prefers a pointy car (like the RB19 and perhaps the early-season RB20). Who knows if Ricciardo would be closer to Verstappen than Perez is and therefore help Red Bull keep 1st in the WCC. Of course he'd be slower than SuperMax but......
kinda like Colapinto who's cooking in F1 but was not setting F2 alight
3:56 gran turismo 5?
He should have never left Renault. He could have done a Alonso and leave Alpine when it was at its best and gone to Aston. Imagine Dani in the early 23 Aston. And now Newey and Honda are going to Aston who knows how his career would have gone.😢 And wot about the races? In all the races they finished since Max came to RB after Spain 16 who was ahead?
It would have gone directly related to his level.... barely above average
True fact
Out of all the 5 drivers that’s been max’s team mate he’s the only one that pushed him
His driving style is very similar
He left because he knew he will be another Webber when max came in 2016 and Baku 2018 was the catalyst
I’d still love to see him in the red bull
Tommo if you actually jinx max his wdc now…
people say his decisions were bad, but I don't think he had much choice. The choice was either between being Max' #2 at Red Bull or being the #1 at Renault on more money (IIRC he earned double at Renault compared to what he earned at Red Bull), then going to McLaren, his reasons for leaving Renault have been proven correct, but he just didn't adapt at McLaren. So given the circumstances, I don't think he could've done much more.
The real WDC was the friends we made along the way. We will miss you Danny Ric 😢
1 win since 2016.....Danny Ric had the best PR team in sports...
The video literally explains his two wins in 2018, then of course monza 2021
The quali gap would be at least 3 tenths now.
Hes jinxed sebs 9 in a row now hes gonna jinx maxs 4th world title
Should have accepted his fate to become Max's Bottas, and he would have become a legend in helping him.
He was done once he left Red Bull for a sorry excuse of a Renault team thinking he was going to win a WDC with them - yes, that is exactly why he left.
You think being Max's #2 would make him a legend? He showed some courage walking away to try something different. It didn't work out, it's ok.
He would have been Max’s Rosberg
I think Daniel would be at least as far from Max as he was from Lando in the Mclaren, probably slightly further. In 2022 that was about 3.5 tenths between Daniel and Lando. So I reckon he'd be about 4 or 4.5 tenths off of Max. I think that puts him about a tenth ahead of Checo. Definitely not enough to warrant a switch.
In 2018 Daniel won two races but had eight DNFs that were not his fault. I think he suspected sabotage and decided there was no future for him at Red Bull. We had still not seen the best of Max at that point. If Daniel had stayed post 2018 there would not be that much difference between him and Max but Max would come out on top most of the time. The fact is no teammate of Max has come close to beating him except Daniel.
I think the bigger mistake was leaving Renault/Alpine. I know Renault was in a confused spot, but at least he had the full backing of his team.
Definitely the McLaren move that ruined him ultimately imo. Renault’s car wasn’t great, but he had the position he wanted, he was No.1 driver, and I do think Renault would have improved. It hurts, especially as an Aussie, but the 13 years of memories will never be taken from me.
Ultimately, I don't think he's at the same level of confidence he had in 2018. 2018 he knew he was good, and being slightly off Max was his best, which is extremely good, but with how McLaren and VCARB have gone, I would think there's some level of doubt of his abilities, and that's where his poor form comes from. So while I'd love to see him in the RB, I think his years of struggling would be his undoing even in RB, the team would know what to do to unlock his potential, but I'm not 100% certain he'd be just as good as 2018, 4 years of hard mental battles (which we should also point out, the sport is a huge mental game, and none of this would help, at all) will do something to you.
It's gone way under the radar compared to the spotlight Daniel has had, but Lewis himself, said earlier this year that he's struggled with adapting to how the newer tyres react to be warmed up, and I think that's what Daniel has struggled with too. Like looking at race pace, his pace isn't bad, he is generally close or faster than Yuki in race pace, but it's been quali, since 2021 tbh, that's been his Achilles heel, and honestly, that's been his only weakness imo. When he gets quali on point, he is electric (Monza 2021, Mexico 2023, Miami SQ 2024), but finding the 'secret sauce' has been his issue.
Riccardo was a weapon at Renault mate what are you on about ?
@@Chris-sf2cp When I said “Renault wasn’t great” I meant the car wasn’t great, and the team clearly wasn’t in the right place to move up and be the 3rd fastest, at no point do I say he was shit at Renault.
We’ll never know about 2018 because he had so many DNF’s
And it makes no sense with his car been exactly the same, engine, software etc