The Video that 3FUL Gear Doesn't Want You To See - Taiji 2 Tent Waterproof Test Failure
Вставка
- Опубліковано 26 чер 2023
- Recently we took a look at the 3FUL Gear Taiji 2 tent and it was impressive!
Now comes the rain / waterproof testing and things go from looking very promising to VERY BAD very quickly.
Amazon Link : amzn.to/3C01aE3
3FUL Link : 3fulgear.com/product/freestan...
...
Merch Store :
Want to support TOGR, buy a shirt, hoodie, hat, etc.
Merch Store : the-outdoor-gear-review.myspr...
...
Links :
Camera Gear :
- Sony A7IV : amzn.to/3vWtLHR
- Sony 20mm 1.8 Lens : amzn.to/3AcFq80
- Sony 35mm 1.8 Lens : amzn.to/3BFs8iZ
- SIRUI Carbon Fiber Travel 5C Tripod : amzn.to/3BEahZX
- Batteries : amzn.to/3geFtG5
- Rode VideoMic Pro Plus Mic : amzn.to/3iZMqMO
Clothing :
- Fjällräven Vidda Pro Ventilated Pants : amzn.to/3ytuwYw
- Old Navy Shirt : oldnavy.com
- Vasque Juxt Multi-Sport Shoes : amzn.to/3DbNTK9
- Darn Tough Socks : amzn.to/3mx20A5
- Arcteryx Conveyor Belt : amzn.to/3QSnzsi
- Helikon-Tex Windrunner Windshirt : amzn.to/3CaTJdE
- Smartwool Merino Wool Hat : amzn.to/3feJv0Y
- IO Merino Wool Mask : No Longer Available
- Knit Gloves Base :
- Permethrin for Clothing and Gear : amzn.to/37V3FvQ
- Kershaw Cryo II Folding Knife : amzn.to/2Sej6aD
- Garmin Instinct Solar GPS Watch : amzn.to/3GvkPMC
- Oakley Sunglasses : amzn.to/2WcOGYm
- Outdoor Research Men's Foray II Jacket - amzn.to/3Wq7YnQ
- Outdoor Research Helium II Rain Pants : amzn.to/3bKRiS9
If you purchase anything from the links above, you will be supporting the channel through a small commission on Amazon. Thank you for the support and remember, TOGR is 100% Agenda Free.
....
100% Agenda Free :
This channel is Agenda Free and is fully supported by the viewers.
Support TOGR through Patreon : / togr
or
Support TOGR through UA-cam : / @theoutdoorgearreview
...
Web Site : www.theoutdoorgearreview.com
Come Join Us on Facebook, Twitter Instagram :
Facebook : / 281509538652229
Twitter : / outdoorgearrev
Instagram : / theoutdoorgearreview
Vero : vero.co/theoutdoorgearreview - Наука та технологія
I own one too and every time I use it I have to put up the window stick and there have been no rain leaks.
I really dig that you're doing multiple tent tests at the same time, in the same storms. It really gives us an unbiased view on these tents. Keep it up, brother!
He cant do that becauce it will cost thousands of dollars. He want do realistic reviewnot what some company say.
My tent is khaki which looks better than gray. Luke's leak to me didn't happen. I agree with other comments that this experiment was not rigorous.
Over the years, I’ve used a few different big name tents… But my benchmark will always be the classic Eureka! Timberline, a tent I sat out a big thunderstorm with high winds once. It kept us dry, but we were treated to the sounds of close lightning strikes and big branches coming down. Funny story…my camping buddy said “it’s not gonna rain…” right about then, a single drop landed on his head, lol…then all hell broke loose. But, the Timberline performed brilliantly in a situation that went from zero to white knuckle pretty fast.
Great story!😂
I think we've all got a story or two like that 👍👍
I've had mine almost 3 years, been out camping in all the seasons and I live in Canada, never had a problem with leaking.
I've had the tent out in extremely heavy rain and no issues
Looks like their quality control is lacking.
@@cr0sss luke doesn't use window supports, please don't overlook that
@@collinsoutdoors168window supports
What are window supports? @@collinsoutdoors168
Really enjoy your videos, thank you for all of the information you share and all of the trips you and Susie takes us on!
This is one of the tents I have, never any problems with waterproofing whether in heavy rain, light rain or constant drizzle etc.
To be accurate you'd need to look at a large sample, not just one tent.
Nice temp fix on the door hole... shame it leaked through the vents! Love what you bring to our attention, Thanks Luke
The honest reviews are what makes this channel great.
You nailed it. Agreed 100%
Didn't you see it? Luke did not use the white window support strips when testing, which would increase the possibility of leakage
I too tested this tent at home in a rain storm. I thought it was just the wind that had blown raindrops through the vent mesh. I only got water on the mesh body, not the floor. Will have to consider seem seal around the vents then.... Thanks for awesome channel. Keep it up 👍
Well, based on your initial review or introductory video I almost bought this tent, but I decided to wait for the rain test and I’m so glad I did. Thank you for what you do!
Unrigorous testing. There is a plastic support rod on the window, Luke didn't use it, its role is to breathe and prevent rainwater from falling on the surface of the window and flowing into the inner tent.
agree
I thought about that, but he says the other seem is wet inside, and that should be above and behind the window. Also, I find gross that the tent is, at least today, sold as taped whereas it is not.
It never happened to me
Thank you again Luke. I wasn’t planning on getting this tent but I suppose a viewer or two was, and you very well may have saved their lives. Keep it real Luke. Peace.
I love this channel. Awesome, honest reviews....enjoyable to watch, and often bonus ASMR lol.
Hi Luck, greetings from México. Thanks a lot for this video and for your hard work. I was considering buy this tent, but now I am going to think about it a little more time. Thanks again.
This is the greatest most honest channel on UA-cam. I have purchased and not purchased several items from watching lukes channel and everything I have purchased has been exactly what he tested it to do and preform. The things he tested and gave a thumbs down, I wouldn't know because I never purchased anything without Luke's thumbs up. Thanks Luke for saving us all money! We appreciate you!
Update! Thank goodness I can say my 3FUL TAIIJI 2 does not leak. I'm actually typing this right now from the Lake District UK where the rain is coming down just like in your video!!! I've been here in the rain a whole day and night in practically non stop rain and my tent is fine. I'm here another two nights. I'm so sorry you seem to have been sold a faulty tent x
Always luv an unbiased honest review!
Wow. I really like this tent. Hopefully, they fix that major issue. I use a down bag and leaking is unacceptable. Thanks Luke, you have saved me a lot of money over the past several years.
I have the 3f ul Lanshan 2. It was reccomended to me to seam seal the areas where the guy lines attach to the rainfly and the areas where the trekking poles seat. Not sure why lanshan does this but I went ahead and seam sealed it and have had zero issues. Best tent I own for 3 Season. The company also has the lanshan 2 Pro that either comes without seam sealing and you have to do the entire tent yourself or the company will do it for you at a cost which I find odd. Otherwise great tent. Hope this helps whomever it may concern
Thanks Luke you have just saved me from a potential trip ended as I was going to take this tent on a 3 day trip on Thursday and rain is forecast
This feels like it needs a response from 3fulgear or another go with another tent. I think I would have to check that all their tents are not seam sealed around the vents unless they have already confirmed this as it had a hole as well. It clearly states all seams have been taped on their website. Could this have slipped the quality control?
So, you’d have to do the normal 3FUL procedure and seal it yourself. Glad you taught us your technique on your Lanshan tent
Right…3FUL tents all need seam sealed. It’s how they sell them cheap
After watching Lukes's review, I did reseal the entire outside of my tent with Seam Grip including around the vents, my tent like Lukes's tent did NOT have seam tape along the seams about the vents, so I resealed the seams inside and out. I found issues around the vents with h2o leakage however mine was not as bad for some reason. I did send the company a note about the issue as well, and they have not responded to me on the issue either, but like I say I love the tent and the functionality. I did find some transparent tent patch any holes I get in the tent...Since I also purchased the 4-season inner I am going to make sure all the seams on the inner are coated. Luke does an excellent job and I for one really appreciate his time and efforts for all of us.
Hi - Out of curiosity what colour was your tent? I'm wondering if it is just down to one colour production line rather than all of them.
Peace
@@MrEvilWasp Mine was the Khaki version.
Good stuff…. Love the reviews!
Thanks for the heads up on that!
I own this tent, had it out a few times successfully, but not in any heavy rain. I also picked up the winter inner, but haven't used it. It has more fabric, with mesh at the top for ventilation. There are some mods available, to add more guylines and make it more secure in high gusty wind conditions. But it came factory seam sealed, so I could seam seal it in those problem areas preemptively😅
Thank you for doing the best tent reviews on UA-cam. Could you please start testing even more real world situations? There are 2 critical things for me: how much I can open the door, before water starts do drip into the bedroom? Also, while raining, could you please show packing and setting up again process, then after if the bedroom is still dry?
I have a NH Vik1 with the same failure point. The vents ends are not seam sealed. However after sealing it myself it no longer leaks. Very odd oversight.
Dag. i was really looking forward to grabbing one of them. It would be perfect for just me. Now this tent is priced massive overboard. Guess i will keep looking. Thank you so much for doing this testing vid i needed it.
And if failed with NO wind (judging by the trees) and LIGHT rain. If this had been a blowing storm......
Honesty is a true virtue these days. Thank you!!!
Thank you Luke!!!
Hi Luke, I wondered if you could do a top ten or 5 of gear cuz after so long we and you see so many, I sometimes forget witch is witch, thanks Mike
Hey Luke! Great video! I currently own the Sierra Designs high side 1p tent and was wanting to upgrade to something with a little more room. Needless to say it will not be this tent! I have watched so many of your videos and reviews and can't seem to decide what I want to upgrade to. Any ideas??? Thank you.
Another spot-on, no-holds bared, down-n-dirty, no bs review. Thanks, Luke! 👍
Not all duct tape is created equal. There's Gorilla tape and all the rest! Thanks for this video Luke.
Trex tape is more brutal than gorilla. Give it a try if you dare.
It sure as hell will NOT hold the grass shute on your push mower though.
@@markwagoner3599 what did you expect, lol.i drill a hole in the chute and attach a small bungee cord,or just remove it
Double sided gorilla tape isn’t worth 2 cents…not sure about their other tapes
@@ArsenalFC-hp7xr I sealed an air mattress with duct tape and it kept me off the ground all night.
First thing I do is like Luke's video before I watch. I always know it's going to be good!
Seam seal is cheap insurance and is not hard to do. I bought a Coleman in the eighties, seam sealed the rain fly and used it well into the nineties with no issues.
Often a Problem with tents , with an outside frame. I love this system.. setup in one hit. Outer and inner tent.
Este tipo es genial, me hizo ver un video entero de como cae la lluvia arriba de una carpa, un maestro...
Good review. Was this the Arizona tent? I also hoped it would have done well. I guess an arid pace like AZ it might be good but even they get torrential rainstorms. Thanks for saving people from buyers remorse.
Stay safe and God bless.
Looks like similar issue to the regular (double wall) lanshan tents. On those, the tie out points on the sides need to be seam sealed. Not sure why they haven't addressed that after so long, as they seem to have done a good job sealing everything else.
Very enlightening. I think I'll just make my own custom tent.
yeah I had to seam seal some parts of the tent! good review...
Very timely video thanks. I was about to buy one of these. Like you said, a great tent with great features, but if it leaks? Nah!
Yeah I have the same problem Luke, had it out recently in rain but not as long as you had yours out and the rain wasn't as heavy but it still leaked to the point where I had to bail out which is a big disappointment because it is a pretty good tent otherwise.
I have this tent and have had it in wet weather but I have never had any leaks? I'm not trying to be a fan boy because I do have other tents as well. Could it just be the tent you have?
Good video as always 👍
Luke, I love your reviews on tents. I do have a tent or two that I trust. However I have a sleeping bag that had a zipper failure after just four nights. I went back to my old sleeping bag I purchased over ten years ago. Have considered some tests on sleeping bags?
That is a shame, I dont think I have ever had a 3FUL tent leak and by the way I test my tent outside for 1 whole month.
would love to see a video on how to fix issues like this (although I agree we shouldnt have to repair a relatively new tent) but would be good to know just in case we need to fix an issue until we can afford a new and better tent
Luke, another great video!!! Reading some of the comments, some aren't agreeing with you. Maybe going forward to accommodate their reservations, try testing multiples of the same tent and cameras inside as someone here suggested at the same time. I know you go above and beyond and will have more answers on this tent. Just a couple of ideas to reassure some viewers.
It will cost a lot of money to buy multiple tents of the same one. One tent leaking is enough. Multiple cameras on multiple tents? No way! One camera showing the source of the leak is enough.
@pcihector I agree. His findings are good enough for me. I was just suggesting it because going through the comments, some people really disagreed with his findings this time. I know he will be diligent and reach out to the company to resolve the issue. But maybe do a multiple tent once to satisfy some viewers.
I have to say - that outro music slams. :)
You should be in the tent reviewing it. This is like watching bear grills.
That rain yesterday and day before was insane. almost ripped us apart. the gusts would have shredded that thing lmao i'm on the ocean
Was going to purchase this very tent. Thanks! I saved my hard earned money
I thought of getting this tent but I was concerned that the external clip points could allow water ingress
Would you please do video on what you personally would take for weekend out in the woods. Also, because most people don't have the variety of gear that you have. Would you consider consider doing a similar video as the previously mentioned, but instead using economic beginner type stuff. I would love to see what your preference would be. Thanks!
Do you think this is the same as the KUIU Mountain Star 2?
Hey Luke! Excellent video as always. However, I have a request. Could you see if you can get your hands on, and review the Eberlestock Destroyer V69 backpack? I've been eyeing it down for some time and want to get a reliable opinion and review on it, as most reviews are very amatuerish or not even in English at all. Hopefully you make a video on it before I make an educated choice in buying it. Thanks a ton for the content and knowledge you provide.
A benchmark? Eureka Timberline with an 800 mm rating - and you found out didn't you? It didn't leak. Mine is now 10 years old and still doesn't leak. It even withstood 75 mph gusts when I managed a rural campground and lived in it everyday for 3 years - - - mm in the end may mean very little.
the way that tent beaded and water ran off I'm surprised it leaked at all
Well I did not expect that tent to fail
To be fair many very expensive super light tents don't have any seams sealed and you have to seal the whole tent yourself. Fabric to mesh is a very difficult area to heat tape seal so in 5 minutes you could easily seal the seam along the vent area, tents a few years back used to come with a small tube of seam sealant for just this reason.
Boy, that’s unfortunate. I was going to recommend it to my daughter, but I don’t think she has the wherewithal pro-actively seam seal it. Dropping upwards of $230 would certainly motivate me to do so. I can’t afford the name brand 4 season tents…
Thank you for keeping it real 👍❤️Hi Susie
Not a big deal to seam seal and considering the rest of the tents so good it's worth it. We know where to fix it thanks to your testing.
I proofed mine as soon as I got it, as I do with every tent and it hasn't leaked yet in 2 years. Mind you, it's only Scottish rain, the sideyways windy type, none of your straight down wet Mercan stuff. I didn't trust the vents however, and cut some scotchbrite pads to fit the shape which ensures the rain doesn't get in that way but still has ventilation.
3rightFulGear (Frightful Gear) Great review and awesome work as always.
Do you have the weight of the poles?
Quick Question: Have you noticed the leaking spots aren't seam sealed in the first place?
Its a good test, but in reality most campers will be in the tent and will be able to do damage control. The water in the tent was not so much and with a dry rag it can be soaked up quickly. Most one layer tents would have had a lot more water from condensation. But nevertheless, no excuses, 2f should make sure that seams are sealed or tell their customers to add more sealent themselves.
Thx Luke, s&h
Damn... I really liked the design of that tent.
I’d be willing to pay a little more if a manufacturer offered a version of shelters that weren’t seam taped at all. Id rather do it myself
The new Sierra Designs Meteor 2p should be turning up soon, I hope that's ok. You've criticised them before for not having a high enough HH and they responded with the 3000 models, the new ones have been made a little lighter and more compact and hopefully this has not impacted their quality.
Such a shame i liked this tent. Thanks for the review. Being exo skeliton frame i thought about making a tarp to fit over making it double skinned and a inner tent would truly make a winter tent.
Some people are stating they haven't had any problem with theirs so I wonder if the colour makes a difference. Maybe that grey production line is not doing the sealing properly. Where the others colours get fully seam sealed.
Peace
Oh wow, didn’t see that one coming. The taiji2 was very high on my list.
I have one and would still recommend it. Just seam-seal the hell out of it. I assumed everyone did that, and was not surprised at the result. Every tent needs to be seam sealed.
Have you sealed it on your own and if you did could you do an update?
I'm wondering if this is a Quality control issue? quite a lot of people here in the UK love this tent and havn't had any issues with it.
I have this tent and now I'm concerned because I've never used it in the rain so far, but like you say, I bought it because of great reviews
@@TimelordUK ill be getting a new tent soon, I currently use an OEX Phoxx II which they obviously dont have where OGR is., so maybe a Naturehike mongar will be similar to the Taiji II .
@@Zlin0035I have a phoxx 2 , great tent , no need for Luke to do a waterproof test though !
@@Zlin0035 can you sit up properly in the Phoxx 2? Is it lightweight? I do not drive and these two specs are why I bought the taiji 2
@@TimelordUK i'm 5ft 4 and I can just about sit up in it. anyone taller than that will struggle. for a "2" man tent I wouldn't say it was the SUPER light but its not the worst i've seen at 2.1KG. I usually just camp out of my car so weight isnt a big issue for me.
I would have expected at least one of the clip points would have started leaking, since it has a lot of it, due to the exoskeleton design.
My Vango Tempest pro 200 also has a 5000 groundsheet and fly, it’s never leaked or been affected by a 60mph gale. It’s odd so many of your test tents fail! It may be the Chinese think all Americans only camp in the desert
Luke try using this tent to test a product like one of the nikwax waterproofing products to see if it is possible to make it waterproof😊
From this, I will test my tent.
Flashbacks form the cosmetio 1😂 You'd think these manufacturers would have their vent game down by now. I'll stick with my monger 15D❤
I don't know what a hydrostatic head rating is but not counting the seams but could they get that "number" from just the fabric? It seems to me that the fabric is "water-proof" but the seams don't seem to be.
Yes, the rating is for the fabric, but of course seams should also be sealed, either with seam sealer, or taped. If they aren't, the rating of the fabric doesn't really matter, you're getting water inside.
Maybe the company will fix the problem after seeing your review.
Does it come with a 5 gallon bucket of seam seal to pour over the top of the tent lol.
It really seems that tents with large vents on the top don't get seamed as the rest of the fly does. With it not being seamed for all the vent stitching is a huge flaw and oversight for 3FUL.
It has very positive reviews from English users
For the price, it's an easy fix. Five bucks.
Most days you wouldn't even notice it.
There's a lot of tents that you have to seem seel and I just refuse to buy a tent, especially a 5000 hh tent, absolutely pointless if not seem seeled. Get the new all white forclaz trekking pole tent. Awesome bit of kit and two person for 1300 grams
The first thing I do with any tent is set it up in my yard and spray it down with silicone waterproofing. Even if it is a highly rated one.
If this is just a matter of the seams, might be a bit harsh to full-stop on this tent since seam sealing is a rather painless process. I agree it is a dumb mistake on the companies part but you did mention their were many plusses to this tent .........
If this video goes viral, maybe 3UF will lower the price extremely and customers can fix the problems themselves.
Would like to see go-pro in tent while raining looking at most likely leak spot
The problem can be spotted even before the rain. The web site says: "All seams has been taped". I see no tape there. It seems to me that this tent was seam sealed with silicon, and not taped. The seam-sealing with silicon is a boring process that requires care and that users should rather do themselves. This is not the first time that I see people buying the sealing service and complaining that it was not up to par. In this particular case the problem is worse, because by specification the tent should have been taped, which is a much better way to seal the seams for what I know. The inner is PU coated, so that would naturally allow taping the seams. Some manufacturers rely on the nylon to "close itself around the hole" to make the tent quasi-waterproof (also high quality producers such as VauDe if memory serves), but only taping, or sealing, will guarantee waterproofness.
Jens Williamson, III (Deaf)
If you are not happy about the rain fly. Once: put the Camo Tarp 8 by 10 with 14 Binder Clips (strong) on the rain fly if rain or heavy rain. Worry Free!
I was not happy about the lousy rain fly (7 by 7 Dome Tent) under Coleman. The colors are Blue and White.
You will know for sure. Okay!
Thanks for your time. Have a good year in 2023!
Respectfully,
Respectfully,
Jens C. Williamson, III
😎😷👍🇺🇲
Bexar County 🇨🇱
Retired ID
Hearing Impaired
The Disability
*Luke did a good job about the tent. Buy it or Do not Buy it.
The rain fly is lousy. Forget it!
😢
Silikoniertes Nylon ... Bei 3FUL Lanshan 1/2 Pro wird extra darauf hingewiesen, dass die Nahtversiegelung selbst aufgetragen werden muss. (Und ja, dann sind die dicht.)
Ich sehe das nicht als wirklich problematisch an. Vor gut 20 Jahren habe ich extrem teure Markenzelte auch erst selbst abdichten müssen, damit sie über Jahre gut funktionierten. 😀