no , lucifer is only second to the presence.When the presence isn't around ,lucifer is the one who rules DC. Beyonder can only alter reality, lucifer is beyond reality.
@@huyuc8606 No beyonder was easily manipulable and very instable. He is just a spoiled kid with God's powers. Lucifer on the other hand has a perfect masteries of all his emotions and powers. Experience goes to lucifer
also the one above all isnt equel to the presence since presence himself admitted to not be the supreme maker of dc They're both stated to be omnipotent, but the Presence (probably purely by merit of appearing more often) has more anti-feats to suggest he's not fully and truly omnipotent. So I'd give TOAA a slight edge
How is the source of dc is stronger than the creator and the supreme god of Marvel? Also Lucifer older than beyonder? You must be joking literally TOAA knew that Beyonder existed in a realm that wasn't part of TOAA creation PRB is the Old TOAA
@starboishorts675 don't know who lucifer true form is and I searched him up and found nothing so if he isn't stronger than Morningstar he is losing cause I managed to prove lucifer Morningstar is weaker than pre recton beyonder Or you are making things up Which you defiantly are Also don't bring up beyonder losing to captian america cause lucifer lost to a sentient mop bucket
@@reverseboboiboy because you don't know anything about Beyonder. Beyonder holds fiction and beyonder manipulate any writer and narratives even Jim shooter,Al mirgin,and stan lee bows down to beyonder.
Em questão do segundo ralde,não tem como declarar o vencedor porque óbvio os dois são os mesmos seres,só que em universos diferentes, por que eles dois são a representação do mesmo Deus que no caso é o nosso Deus na realidade,só porque o Deus da Marvel fez mais feitos isso não significa que ele é mais forte,vale lembrar que o Deus da DC ele não fez o universo DC por que ele deixou tudo nas mãos do Lúcifer e do Miguel
Prb:sorry lucifer get out of here Lucifer:💀 Toaa:That’s my boy Pressence:☠️ Prb:wait! Where the living tribunal?! The living tribunal☠️ Michael:I won! Wait guys!? Michael:realises they are dead* uh oh
Bro you know what, dc fans are crying in comments because their strongest hell king stomped by marvels supreme being, now some kids will say presence >> prb, presence is a god of his verse , but beyonder has his own realm his existence is enough to create and destroy the multiverse 😎😎 PRE RETCON BEYONDER >> presence >> Lucifer Morningstar 😂😂
Wth is this marvel fanboy bs. Toaa and the presence are literally equals. Also pre retcon beyonder is an overrated fodder who got knocked on his ass by captain america of all people. Also he had to 2v1 eternity.
When u realise Pre recton beyonder is a character who solos every fictional character He is writer himself They changed his origin 3 times Just to make him weak 😂 But Still weak version solos lucifer
Big cap,Lucifer 1%>>>>PRB 100% in comics The Presence defeat Lucifer who can defeat TOAA so The Presence>>>>TOAA No Concept Of Diff TOAA is featless fodder
Before enyone says presence=toaa let me tell you this toaa was stated to be beyond scalling by marvel they litrally discribed his power as being above eny concept of power
Your ignore the fact that marvel is different from the universe of DC being the second most powerful character in DC second to the presence just that we can already tell that Lucy is powerful than those any character that is lower to god who creat every existence only one character can beat him that is who created him
@@Downstreamers568 Even The Mens read both and confirmed DC has stronger characters than Marvel, Even Hajun and Akuto Sai, Habaki Samagaki is powerful than toaa
True form Living Tribunal > Micheal demiurgos
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@@herobattles096 🤡
@@Max_Stan_01 A feat of true form of living tribunal??🤡
Feats?
There's no true form of living idk
Beyonder>>>>any verse
Nah. Gets negged by SCP and WoD verse
@@random-qj6ih scp and wod got debunked
@@user-mf4mb3gx9o to what
anime verse >>>> fiction
He is a beerus victim
Bro cap and man just gave iq to beyonder 💀💀💀
Pov:you don't read comics 🗿
@@goatmanedit Bruh Lucifer has more iq he has defeated many enemies by outsmarting them
Beyonder was outsmarted by cap america.🤡🤡 lucifer outsmarted the presence😭
@@batmanbatman5077era um avatar do beyonder
@@mr.j5314 u clearly don't read any comics
Presence = toaa
Both are writer and god of their own respected universe
The difference is that the Toaa is the top of his verse, the Presence gets negged by beings in his own verse.
No
@@bcf1237 Deadpool wiped the entire marvel Universe 🤡
Only DC fans say PReSENce=ToAA 🤓
@@rehancherote4241 im a marvel fan but dc is better
Finally someone who knows beyonder potential
he knows nothing
you're believing this stupid video
Hes a spectre victim 😂
alternative title: my favorite Marvel character🤡🤡🤓
Yes lol
@@neofortrix6094 cap lol
@@3GG_egg dream lol
Don't show your face bro.
Cry 😂
See everyone talking about who would win , but in reality if any of these characters fought each other we would be whipped from existence 😂
Beyonder got that light skin stare 😂😂
Hold on, hold on ! Let be honest, how Pre retc Beyonder has more experience and IQ than Luci?
no , lucifer is only second to the presence.When the presence isn't around ,lucifer is the one who rules DC. Beyonder can only alter reality, lucifer is beyond reality.
In Iq and experience it kinda equal since beyonder exist before the marvel multiverse exist
@@huyuc8606 No beyonder was easily manipulable and very instable. He is just a spoiled kid with God's powers. Lucifer on the other hand has a perfect masteries of all his emotions and powers. Experience goes to lucifer
Exacly, he was manipulated several times
@@tsimbinara6893 sometimes you can see beyonder dont actually want to hurt someone
Beyonder 🌌🌌
Bruh
The Presence=Toaa.
Michael>Living Tribunal.
Lucifer>PRB.
W
Depend if the beyonder is in the beyond realm it not even a competition
Did some resesrch and found a video that prove beyonder is stronger
ua-cam.com/video/NtkyXKjuVjs/v-deo.html
Beyonder>
also the one above all isnt equel to the presence since presence himself admitted to not be the supreme maker of dc
They're both stated to be omnipotent, but the Presence (probably purely by merit of appearing more often) has more anti-feats to suggest he's not fully and truly omnipotent. So I'd give TOAA a slight edge
Lucifer wins
W
😂
The Presence=toaa and lucifer takes iq big PrB>Lucifer low diff
Lmao no
TOAA >>> The Presence
PRB > Lucifer (Mid diff)
Beyonder in Beyond Realm >>∞>> Lucifer (neg diff)
🔥 edit
Don't call him beyonder,call him pre retcon beyonder 😎😎
my favourite beyonder 🤩
mine too
Is villain
@@vviprd8679how
Absolutely fking edit🤩🤩
Best Fax
gg bro❤️❤️
W video Goated
Fire edit, everyone gangsta untill the writer is there to fight with toaa
Bro just wake up and decided to spit some fax .....
Cope
@@shaanvinoth9277 Shut up
I love the edit but there are a few caps for Lucifer vs beyonder
Always one above all 💪🔥💯
Mi opinión
Lucifer>=beyonder
Michael>living tribunal
The presence=the one above all
Cap😂😂 Lucifer is older than beyonder fought against presence who is scaling near overvoid, PRESENCE IS STRONGER THAN TOAA LEARN THAt, btw W edit
How is the source of dc is stronger than the creator and the supreme god of Marvel?
Also Lucifer older than beyonder?
You must be joking literally TOAA knew that Beyonder existed in a realm that wasn't part of TOAA creation
PRB is the Old TOAA
I knew he was just meat muchin when he gave IQ, BIQ and Experience to beyonder💀
PRB get every thing and once he teleported himself and lucifer to the beyond releam it is game over.PRB > fiction.
PRB > DC.
Iq and battle iq to Lucifer and exp to Beyonder
@@Binod878 not even close
Bruh lucifer was there before the multiverse was build
PRB>lucifer and luciferEditz
L
@@ontologically810k
@@ontologically810 no its a W
Overvoid Lucifer>>>>marvel 💩
@@Ethan_07777 fanmade
Yes it's true but true form living tribunal beats Michael
Bro you seriously for Lucifer?
Lucifer negs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is only Outerversal while Lucifer conqueroed the Overvoid.
🧢
Prb negs dc
YESIR FAX BRO ❤
The presence and toaa =
People that say this is fax either don’t know anything about Lucifer or are hardcore biased Marvel fan
ua-cam.com/video/NtkyXKjuVjs/v-deo.html
Now tell me again who win
@@thatrandomguy362 hahaha checkmate
@@thatrandomguy362 that video was just some fanboy who doesn’t know much about Lucifer ua-cam.com/users/shorts8VEOGnBn2t8?feature=share
@starboishorts675 accidentally deleted my comment
Anyway even outside his realm he beat him
pre recton can beat him as I proved in the video
@starboishorts675 don't know who lucifer true form is and I searched him up and found nothing so if he isn't stronger than Morningstar he is losing cause I managed to prove lucifer Morningstar is weaker than pre recton beyonder
Or you are making things up
Which you defiantly are
Also don't bring up beyonder losing to captian america cause lucifer lost to a sentient mop bucket
Iq goes to lucifer! He can manipulate anyone easily
Pre retcon beyonder is beyond the concept of manipulation
beyonder manipulated the writer of comic before so he gets iq.
Toaa + prb = 💣
W edit
Bro take BSM, Pre retcon MM and PRB in team of Beyonder and do battle with Lucifer family.
Pre retcon MM vs Michael
BSM vs Lucifer
Prb vs Presence
@Alex-chadler.201 fax
FAX ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥🗿
Toaa was stated to be not on the omnipresence or Omni Poten
Bro living trabunal vs Michael was unfair it should have been LT vs Spector
love you bro you are also true fan of mcu and beyonder😈
Strength, durability, IQ, BIQ and battle experience to Lucifer.
Nice edit and also Fax.
The one above all and presence are literally the same entity but for different universes, it's a tie
Marvel fan boy
Even Thor killed beyonds in comics
🤣🤣🤣
Fantastic four family beats beyonder.
Doom tricked him and stole his powers even he is so dumb
@@MICHAEL-sz9tg read full comic don't just say one part of the comic
@@MICHAEL-sz9tg fax
And Lucifer outsmarted Presence, survived Overvoid, and has way better feats
Beyonder lost to a child with a fraction of Eternity powers
@@MICHAEL-sz9tg not prb
Overvoid lucifer>>>>>>>>>>>>>prb
In beyond realm beyonder>all fiction
Ok but if Lucifer come in beyond realm he can't even stand
Lucifer>>>>>>>>>>whole Marvel 🔥
Multi eternity>>>>dc
Bro literally beyonder sentry one above all ghost rider eternity infinity Ultron>dc
Michael>>> tri tribunal ??? Diff
The presence=Toaa
Lucifer>>> pre Beyonder mid diff
Go and read secret wars comic 🍷
Beyond realm >>>> whole dc carier
micheal > living tribunal No Diff
The Presence > toaa
lucifer > prb
@@vaibhavkumar7636 why?
@@reverseboboiboy because you don't know anything about Beyonder. Beyonder holds fiction and beyonder manipulate any writer and narratives even Jim shooter,Al mirgin,and stan lee bows down to beyonder.
The presence and toaa are the main gods of different universe we can’t say toaa wins presence =toaa
Toaa stronger than presence
Experience,iq and battle iq goes to lucifer
Marvel fankid 😂😂
Scale Lucifer above limbo😊
I can scale beyonder above marvel cosmology
You new born child 😂
Lucifer>>beyonder marvel fanboy
WELL HE IS PRB NOT NORMAL BEYONDER
Tell me why?
Dc fangay
@@Downstreamers568 Marvel fangay
🤓
Em questão do segundo ralde,não tem como declarar o vencedor porque óbvio os dois são os mesmos seres,só que em universos diferentes, por que eles dois são a representação do mesmo Deus que no caso é o nosso Deus na realidade,só porque o Deus da Marvel fez mais feitos isso não significa que ele é mais forte,vale lembrar que o Deus da DC ele não fez o universo DC por que ele deixou tudo nas mãos do Lúcifer e do Miguel
Bru toaa and the presence are the same concept 💀
Fax 🥵🔥
Lucifer
Lucifer said: hey baby look at my 🖕
It's your answer😂😂😂
Lucifer negs Beyonder bro💀
No beyonder is omnipottent lucifer is nigh
@@TYCONVERSE777 Beyonder is not omnipotent because there is no omnipotence in fiction damn
@@sz_finnyxzn marvel already reveal it read comics
@@TYCONVERSE777 Lucifer is nigh ommnipotent onmnicient and onmipresent
Scale him above limbo first
Prb:sorry lucifer get out of here
Lucifer:💀
Toaa:That’s my boy
Pressence:☠️
Prb:wait! Where the living tribunal?!
The living tribunal☠️
Michael:I won! Wait guys!?
Michael:realises they are dead* uh oh
faxxxxx brp❤❤❤
Lucifer wins in exe - difficult losses prb
Bro you know what, dc fans are crying in comments because their strongest hell king stomped by marvels supreme being, now some kids will say presence >> prb, presence is a god of his verse , but beyonder has his own realm his existence is enough to create and destroy the multiverse 😎😎
PRE RETCON BEYONDER >> presence >> Lucifer Morningstar 😂😂
Iq beyonder🤣🤣
Lol 🤣
but still beyonder slams lucifer
Beyonder is omniscient
its prb
Dr doom manipulated prb🤣🤣and you gave iq prb
Milk man Superman can solo this kids marvel
Bro lucifer win beyonder
u forget the little from lucy family
Dcu presence Vs mcu one above all
Lucifer Vs One above all
Lucifer Vs cosmic immortal hulk
Bro Lucifer Negs that fodder
Wth is this marvel fanboy bs. Toaa and the presence are literally equals. Also pre retcon beyonder is an overrated fodder who got knocked on his ass by captain america of all people. Also he had to 2v1 eternity.
Faaax+W edits, do superman vs Thor comics please please
Okay
@@RaghavTyagiRajput11 thank 🥰
How much cap do you want this to be?
Him: entirely. Bro gave everything to beyonder and don't even talk about iq
Hope you know to read.. It's Pre retcon beyonder not beyonder
Otroooooo porfaaaa
IQ goes to Lucifer
Fax dude 🔥
Lucifer win
Presens or one above all ko ak hi baraber powerful bataya jata hai
Lucifer wins..
When u realise
Pre recton beyonder is a character who solos every fictional character
He is writer himself
They changed his origin 3 times
Just to make him weak 😂
But Still weak version solos lucifer
Yea Pre Recton beyonder > fiction.
Hello angel 😇😇😇
Big W
Fax
Fax bro
Beyonder smail😊😊
Big cap,Lucifer 1%>>>>PRB 100% in comics The Presence defeat Lucifer who can defeat TOAA so The Presence>>>>TOAA No Concept Of Diff TOAA is featless fodder
Bro do anti principle vs beyonder family
Like what ? If your saying iq then gets it because prb said himself that he is a true omnicient.
Living Tribunal
If it is overvoid lucifer means then pre retcon beyonder and also toaa can't defeat overvoid lucifer
😂 WAKE UP TO REALITY
Toaa solos
Si el vigilante y Toaa representan al escritor no se supone que estarían empatados?
Lucifer claps beyonder, even prb
Lucifer >>>>>>>>Beyonder
Toaa>>>>>>>>>>>Presence
Michael >>>>>>>>>TLB
Keep dreaming
@@MaheshKumar-mu7gl if you have a minimum comic knowledge then you'll edit your comment ig
@@ZorE7 Pre recton beyonder >>>>>>>>>>>>> dc+fiction.
W
Before enyone says presence=toaa let me tell you this toaa was stated to be beyond scalling by marvel they litrally discribed his power as being above eny concept of power
yea Toaa negg pressence but PRB(beyond releam ) negg fiction.
Nah (iatia) solos prb in beyond realm neg diff
@@madukagamage5226 buddy i was talking about toaa
presence = TOAA
All facts 🥂
Max marvel fan
Lucy will smack the face of this beyonder
Your ignore the fact that marvel is different from the universe of DC being the second most powerful character in DC second to the presence just that we can already tell that Lucy is powerful than those any character that is lower to god who creat every existence only one character can beat him that is who created him
Now i have to say wake up to reality 😅 whole world knows DC has more powerful charectars than marvel Dont be a cold fan choose the truth.
"Whole world" ,idiot what do you know what whole world knows , it's only you who is living in delusion
Marvel > dc
@@Downstreamers568 DC > Anime > Marvel stay mad fanboy
@@Downstreamers568 Even The Mens read both and confirmed DC has stronger characters than Marvel, Even Hajun and Akuto Sai, Habaki Samagaki is powerful than toaa
@@Downstreamers568 Even Battler claps fodder beyonder let alone lucifer 😂