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FX-6300 vs Phenom II X6 1090T - Which Six Core Design is Better?
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I'd like to apologize for forgetting to include GTA V results with both CPUs overclocked, but since the FX-6300 performs almost exactly the same as FX-8350 in this title, it definitely beats the Phenom processor in GTA V as well. You can see that in this video at 12:13 - ua-cam.com/video/WMV_GL1fhpo/v-deo.html
The only difference is in that video the Phenom has the NB & HT clocked at 2550 MHz, and if it was clocked at 3060 MHz, it would probably perform a couple of frames better than it did in that comparison, but nothing significant. Either way, thanks for watching!
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COD WARZONE DOES NOT WORK ON THE PHENOM II X6 1090T? Please do a test
How bout an 1090T / FX6300 vs Athlon 3000G? Just built a new file server based off an Althon 3000G/ 16GB DDR4 3000 / Asrock A320M R4.0. Its a massive difference from my old Athlon X2-6000 / 8GB DDR2. The network lag is totally gone and even small files are instantly available as though they are physically on the system I'm accessing them from. Network bandwidth is through the roof (Over 1Gb /p sec transfers)
@@fredsas12 May compare the FX-6300 to the 3000G if I get my hands on one.
@@RATechYT is it worth upgrade my Althlon II X2 245 to FX 6300?
I've really been enjoyed your FX and Phenom II videos. Continue to test out the 8350 please.
The differnce between the processors in some of the games is probably due to the lack of some instruction sets on the Phenom.
Not really. In multi-threaded applications the FX architecture can provide some performance advantage due to the faster (and larger) L3 cache. In cases, where several threads must work on shared data set, the FX CPU will sync those threads faster. Phenom had notoriously slow L3 round trip latency.
On the other hand, the Phenom still provides a dedicated FPU for each core, despite the fact that the FX's FPU is able to execute two FADD or FMUL instructions per clock cycle, if the code is aligned properly.
No probably due to the increased clock speed and smaller transistor size (45nm vs 32nm) which makes it more efficient.
@@Ivan-pr7ku John Longbow was right.
The differences between the FX and Phenom are really shown when you take account for the age of the software used.
If you run software from 2010, even multithreaded, the Phenom II will win.
If you run modern software the FX will beat the Phenom II quite badly.
If it were purely architectural as you say then the FX would just outperform the Phenom II in everything and we already know this not to be the case.
At the time of it's release the FX was just barely keeping up with Phenom II. Even video transcoding was showing a slight advantage to the Phenom II. Today I can run the same transcoding job on both machines and the FX is something like 50% faster.
No, probably due to harder wood used to make the CPU legs
FX Bulldozer has 256-bit AVX support
K10.5 Phenom II has only 128-bit SSE4 support
256-bit AVX is MAJOR jump forward - it's another class of performance, similar to jump from 64-bit MMX to 128-bit SSE.
AVX brought a lot useful instructions, so it's not only about FPU register/vector width (FX has internally 2x128-bit SIMD FPUs).
Basically AVX is new standard for all Windows SW especially games.
That's why Intel Haswell is the oldest usable CPU (Haswell was 1st CPU with AVX support). Any Sandy / Ivy bridge or Core2Quad (Phenom II was competitor to Core2Quad) is less usable due to lack of AVX.
To be honest, Phenom II (which is K10 uarch from 2007 at 45nm) is awesome, sometimes beating FX6300 from 2012 at new 32nm with modern AVX. Time difference of 5 year is HUGE in CPU world and yet Phenom doing surprisingly great job (well, K10 Phenom had 3xALU units while FX had only 2xALU units like low IPC speed demon Pentium 4). This is like comparing Zen 1 with Zen 3 and seeing Zen 1 beating Zen 3 in some tests = this is completely sci-fi.
Phenoms were phenomenal.
Just installed my fx 6300 today got it for 40 bucks shipped, super happy.
Imagine spending 40 dollars on a cpu that loses to an i3 two core 3rd gen that only costs 5 dollars on ebay PepeLaugh you didn't know.
@@cawfeecatt1553 lol imagine me giving a shit, and I dont even think that's accurate at all
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FX are garbage, all of em.
@@CommanderTato you're an idiot
I just wanna say thank you, not only for doing these videos, but also for your conclusion at the end. A lot of people dismiss the FX series out of turn, and not without good reason, but the price to performance ratio is actually pretty good here for only two years of progress. Sure, it was bad if you already had a 1090T, but why would you upgrade from a high-end part to a mid-range part if you could help it?
I'd love to see you compare say, an FX-4300 or 4350, to a Phenom II X2 955 or 965, and see if the difference is about the same with the four core parts too.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Curious to see this comparison too. I have an old 945 rig with 8gb ram and a 1gb 6950 that I stashed away in storage, when I upgraded to a an FX 8320 @ 4.3, 16gb g.skill ares and a nitro 480 8gb. (Used an evga gtx 760 sc in between). It never seemed worth it to upgrade to a 4 or 6 core fx so I think i'm glad I waited on that, although she's aged now and could benefit from ryzen😍
@@RATechYT Yeah it would be great to see the fx 4300 vs phenom x4 because I remember back in the day the fx 4 core were looked down upon instead the fx 6 core was suggested most of the time as the price difference between the two was minimal would be great to see that comparison. I personally have a phenom x4 BTW.
@@elstondias9172 WIth the software of the time a Phenom II x4 trounced an FX 4-core into the ground. If you do it with more modern software it might change enough to be the FX better, but the architecture of the FX wasnt well suited for what was the software at the time and the years inmediately after launch.
I always wanted see this test, FX 6300 nice cpu, low price and good performance, i have now Ryzen 2700, but my wife still use the good FX 6300 7 years have passed and continues to battle applications and games, has aged well it was a good purchase then
Underclock by 200MHz (helps reduce pipeline lag; an issue for long pipelined processors)
Overclock the SB, HT link and RAM; Gotta keep the pipeline fed to not lose IPC
Your FX will run cooler and quicker
I own an FX 9370 and my temps never crossed the 45 degrees Celsius with 1.37v at 4.2GHz
A true beast if people know how to clock
LOve my
FX 4100
FX 8150
Love them building systems just for them with new towers and everything to bring them back to life.
My baby's are back on line!
Thank you for the quality content. I don't have or had either CPU, but back in the day there were a lot of arguing of what was better.
I'm a very satisfied propietary of a phenom 1090T since 10 yeasr ago, and now i just buy a Fx6300 in aliexpress. The diference is that the Phenom CPU uses like "Key Features" AES only, and the FX6300 implements AES, AVX and FMA4. AOE4 needs AVX mandatory. Maybe some games can use both, and FX6300 using these gets better performance.
In other tasks, the Phemon is better, because, every core has his own ALU. By other hand Fx6300 has only three ALU each one shared with every two CPUs. In fact, FX6300 is a Frankenstein CPU...
Awesome review, I think you are doing a better job at reviewing the FX processors than the other reviewers did, but I think it would also make your reviews interesting if you did a older Radeon (such as RX 480 / R9 280X) vs your Nvidia review with FX processors. But, it is good that you are showing results with an Nvidia, since in general it has better CPU scaling.
I think the reason for the FX 6300 performing better in cases is because each two cores share cache/variables and it has newer instruction sets.
This makes more sense, i wish Phenom II X8 was a thing to the public Which by the way i have technically!!
The Phenom problem is SSE. If it'd have this
instruction, I still would stay with it!
FX 6300 was such an insane bang for the buck CPU for the money. Especially once overclocked to 4.5 GHZ or so (which you could've done in any AM3+ 970 or 980 board with any kind of 3rd party CPU cooler)
stil the FX 6300 was a step backwards to the Phenoms. If AMD only would have improved L3 cache, but stick to 6C/6T instead of this creepy 3C/6T or 4C/8T CPUs, they would have made a big step forward.
Kokainarienv0gel Price vs performance (vs CPU instructions), an FX 6300 was an all around upgrade IMO vs a Phenom II X6, given it could clock higher on any given day. SSE4.2 and AVX instructions being present also helped.
@@raresmacovei8382 but still they were no real 6 or 8 cores. And games these days were running better on a Phenom than a FX CPU.
Imagine AMD would have made the FX processors as real 6 or 8 cores, this would have been a much bigger step
Kokainarienv0gel Phenom II X6 vs FX 6300, both OC'D to max, the FX wil outperform the Phenom.
@@raresmacovei8382 i would hope so, otherwise the FX would be COMPLETELY worse than the predecessor ;)
Sadly both are more heating machines than a useful CPU for 2020. The difference isnt that big at all, just said. Nobody would see a difference in gaming performance, you would think at both CPUs: whats that for a poor CPU performance.
Ohh and if we think about working, even a stock Phenom II beats a overclocked FX processor, thanks to REAL Cores and dedicated FPUs per core, where the FX processors share FPUs.
FX-6300 > Phenom II X6 ... WHY?
Instruction sets BABY, .... Instruction Sets
AMD Win!
The Phenom II X6 cannot even Run APEX, cose it needs SSSE3 Instruction Set and That CPU does NOT HAVE IT
Yea i hate this now i gotta get an fx
@@x-coin6740 if ur motherboard is 95w, there are some Fx8000 series that are 95w compatible , dont use the 125w on a 95w Mb, you will kill ur Mb
Still using AMD FX-6100 six core and going strong!!
why would you ever use an fx when you can get a 3rd gen intel cpu for 5 dollars thats better
@@cawfeecatt1553 Better? Depends on the task really...
@@cawfeecatt1553 Because he already has a Motherboard? Because some of us don't use Intel?!
@@cawfeecatt1553 Because he bought it then, there's no point in getting equally old part for small improvements. Also old i5s and i7s aren't 5 dollars, more like 15. Motherboards are generally overpriced, same goes for DDR3. For upgrade, it would make sense to just get a new platform and don't waste money on old hardware.
@@MJ-uk6lu you are all autistic lol i can get a 3rd gen intel mobo and shitty 5 dollars processor that would roll and smoke the fx-6300 for less money
Still using AMD FX-6300 six core paired with gtx 1060
FX has this internal power of speed look at the architecture of it's speed internally that games take advantage of..
Example : Like 2 GPU's will not give you more frame rates but 4K it's still at over 100Frames and during intense action no slow downs it's the POWER !!!!! It gives ..
Well, let me put it this way...
back in 2012/13... if you had a Phenom II X4 like popular 945 c3, 955 and 965 paired with a lower tier Motherboard that wouldn't "upgrade" to Phenom II X6 nor Fx CPUs, then your AMD upgrade path should had been an Fx8350, or if on a budget, an Fx6300... but i'd say the Fx8xxx in order to really gain performance...
But if you had a Phenom II X6 like the popular 1055T (which was the only Phenom II x6 able to work in many boards) or high end 1090, paired with a high end motherboard and aftermarket cooling solution... then, back in 2013 it wouldn't had made much sense to move to an Fx 6 core just to gain nothing, or to move to an Fx 8 core just to get a 20/25% boost.
But... it is also fair to say that in 2018 (or even nowadays) if you were looking for a used platform, an Fx 6 core offers a lot of advantages, like newer instruction sets, better Ram controller, higher max ram, SATA3 and other stuffs that are closer to modern baseline...
Ram 1333 vs 1866 // SATA2 vs SATA3 for 2.5' SATA SSD are much priced features even in old hardware like AM3+ Platform
Too bad AMD "skypped" Steamroller and Excavator architecture for the Fx lineup... it would had been nice to get 28nm improved DDR3, PCIE-3 features.
PS: i know some Mother developers like Asus bring a PCI-E 3 to the AM3+ platform, along with late motherboards like asus Aura and Gigabyte 990 and 970 gaming bring nvme connectors (at gen2 X4, 1500mbps speed), but these are very very rare to find, since the mainstream mobos were regular 780, 970 and 990 without this fancy unique features. Nevertheless it is true that AM3+ socket mobos out there bring these more modern stuffs
problem its instructions SSE 4.1 dosent work in phenom, a lot of games or app may be work only at 32bits and not at 64 . etc
Thanks. I just confuse which processor i want to upgrade. Currently still use Athlon II X2 270.. I rarely use pc last few years. Before my Mobo is AM3. Think that want to upgrade to Phenom II X6 1055T (cause it is cheap), But few days ago I bought AM3+ mobo include FX 4130 with very cheap price.. But I decided to sell FX 4130 and buy FX 6300 rather than Phenom II X6 1055T.. Thanks for this video. I am from Indonesia.
fx-6300 running w 1050ti without overclocking my temps are around 50celsius when in games like apex cod wz or gta 5
get an intel 3rd gen CPU they are cheaper on ebay and twice as good
Hopefully someone can answer me please, I have a GA880GM-USB3 motherboard (rev 3.1) I have a proposal about a phenom x6 1055T and I wanted to mount it, they think that the motherboard is not going to give me problems since it is already something old, too I had planned to buy a Gt 1030 or 1050ti without a bottleneck I need recommendations
there was more cach on the fx 6300 an its lay out a bit differently
Good video. However, a common way to improve the performance of all Phenom II CPU's was to increase the HT link speed, to maybe 2400Mhz+ provided it was stable. They really benefitted from this, and another video comparing HT link speeds would be great.
I compare them both with an overclock starting from 6:37. Both NB as well as HT speeds are overclocked from 2000 MHz to 3060 MHz.
@@RATechYT how does HT improve performance on the phenom? Usually I have heard that there are no gains by increasing the HT which at stock is 2000Mhz
@@elstondias9172 From what I remember, you're not getting as much of an increase when overclocking the HT, if not at all. Most of the performance uplift is from overclocking the core clock as well as the NB.
@@RATechYT Yeah correct there's a guide online which has a chart which displays the clockspeed nos in one column and the relevant NB clockspeed in another column.
Also increasing the ram while tightening the ram timings nowadays also helps in games.
Btw it would be great to see a fx 4300 vs phenom x4 comparison in the future on your channel now that you have already touched the fx 6 & 8 series chips .
Probably the FX has better AVX support, or other feature and surely it hes more cache (8 MB L3) and it's Co-processor is a lot stronger because of it supports 2 CPUs.
Its the cache of the FX i think that makes the difference. The computing cores of the Phenom II are faster but they are losing their advantadge thanks to their smaller cache, which i think it is also slower on the Phenom II.
I guess the FX-6300 goes better in gaming because of his memory controller, wich is much faster than phenom ii controller.
Hmm I'm considering to replace my Linux PC's X4 955 Black Edition to FX 6300 even though I rarely use it lol.
I think that Ryzen 3 or 5 are better options. First generation is not expensive.
A very very well done video...Very interesting seeing these oldies/budget chips compared today
FX series nowadays is better due to the instruction sets that newer games require which the Phenoms does not have.
Had a Phenom II X4 955 and got an FX 6300 for 20 bucks.😁
Depends on your software...doesn't it?
My Current System is a Phenom II X6 1090T Running an All Core of 3.5Ghz and a Turbo Boost of 3.8Ghz And I wouldn't trade her for anything. ;)
Yes her and yes she has a name ;) Black Widow :D
Zero0Core 1600 wants a word with you.
@@SleepyRulu It's funny you mention the 1600 wanting a talk with me :P Cuz I plan to turn my Current system into a stream rig and build a 3600X System with 32GB Ram & 5600XT as my new gaming rig. ;) What can I say I like my 6 Core CPU's
@@zero0core I really wouldn't recommend getting a 3600X unless it's basically the same price as the 3600. (Normal prices are $199 for a 3600, $249 for a 3600X)I have a 3600X personally, but have also worked with a 3600 and they performed within maybe 2-3% of each other, so just keep that price difference in mind. You don't want to pay $50 extra for a 2-3% performance gain. Either way, g'luck on the new PC
With the latest patches, many online games can't run on Phenom II anymore.
thank you so much for this video sir. Godbless
Nice video. This is similar to when I upgraded From my Phenom II X6 1100T to the FX-9590. Overall I did notice most things were better on my FX-9590 then the Phenom II X6 1100T - but there were few times the Phenom II X6 1100T would of done better. I was overall satisfied with my UpGrade. Then When I upgraded from the FX-9590 to my current cpu the Radeon RX-2700X that was a very nice upgrade. I have been very satisfied with all of my computer configurations. For my personal computer's I have had AMD builds only - but learned on Intel machines in school and in some professional situations.
"current cpu the Radeon RX-2700X that was a very nice upgrade"
Radeon RX-2700X? you mean ryzen 2700x?
just said, even a 6 year old Intel i7 (@stock!) is faster xD
I got a 4790k used for 130$ on ebay in 2017, this rig will last aslong the industry finally release DDR5 systems to the 0815 user, so i can boycott the DDR4 marketing gag and hope for a proper increase in performance with DDR5
@@harrison00xXx 4790k loses pretty hard in productivity workloads though. Plus with 3rd gen the gaming crown has finally shifted in amd's favor compared to older intel parts. That and a continued upgrade path on the same socket while lga 1150 is a dead socket. I do agree ddr4 didnt make much of a difference over ddr3 but pcie gen 4 and generally having a lot more pcie lanes on a desktop has been great for me. 4790k is still fine if all you do is game but soon those quad cores are really going to start hurting. You can already see us in games like ac odyssey where quad cores are struggling more.
Damn bruh I'm stuck I dont expect you to awnser me but ima buy my cousins old pc phenom II not sure which one tho and rx 460 or 470 ehtuer way I'm mostly buying it for the case and to give him money and help him out maby steam share and give him my acc as well i trudt him eenough but i could buy him games and me but I was looking 60 or so bucks for the x4 990 black Ed or whatever or x6 1100t or however spend around 200 to 300 or trade stuff to get an x550 or x570 or even a good Asus of any one of the really gotta be stacked tho for the price comparison watt power and iv found a few good ome for overclocking and newish pcie 4.0 it says if it not a scam but I really do doubt lmfao
@@harrison00xXx Got an i7 3820 for 26euros heheeeeeeee
@@serebbi nice deal!
Well i just switch from a 1090T to a fx 6300.. i must say that i do feel a slight difference in gaming.. i cant play shadow of the tomb raider on the 1090T..
What is the problem you have using the 1090T on SOTR?
@@RATechYT well, it wont even run.. idk maybe denuvo or if im running the 1090t on stock clock, but it works fine on my fx-6300.. running around 45fps average on low settings with rx 460, i think the 1090t will perform worse..
With my FX 6300 i've played and finish almost all the big games of 2019 such as Control, Outer world, Star Wars Fallen Order, Gears 5, RAGE 2, FC New Dawn etc. most of them at High setting and here you're testing it to play Farcry 3, Crysis 2...
If you listened to the video carefully, you'd know why I did that. Just think about this comparison as if it's 2012 and the FX-6300 just released.
@@RATechYT But it isn't 2012 anymore is it. there is no point doing that. I was hoping to see how far these processors can be pushed in present time or in the future. No point testing on things we won't use anymore. But great work on your part I guess I was looking for something else. But nice work and thank you.
@@ariestheory It's just a look back, just like we are taught history in school. If you want to see how these processors perform in slightly newer titles, you can watch their separate reviews on my channel.
Using fx 6300 still. Its getting slow and use a lot of power for basic tasks.
Problem is if i upgrade this year, next year ddr5 is coming, so i dont know what to do..
Personally, I'd wait unless you really need a new PC right now.
Just go ryzen my guy
Yea, i think ill wait. Its not that my pc is unusable just my wish to upgrade to better 😃
@@lowzyyy Just today I built a system (all 100% new parts from Micro center) that blows the FX 6300 AWAY, for less than 400 dollars. Start with an Athlon 3000G with Radeon graphics, a mid range mATX board, 500 bronze power supply, and 16 gigs of DDR4 32000. Swap your hard drive over from your old computer to save yourself from buying a windows key, you will need to put your original software key in again, so don't throw away the old case yet... and if you want, put your old graphics card in the new system for a boost. Far better performance than the FX 6300 I am typing to you on right now, and only cost $398 bucks, just this morning, 3/18/2020...
We dont have microcenter here in Serbia, so all prices are much higher than in US.
I am planing to use next pc for around 5 years so i am aiming at 6-8core cpu.
Consoles got 8core ryzen so maybe its time for me to go 8 core too.
My plan is to go mobo around 200$, 16gb ram, and 8 core cpu.
That will cost me about 600$.
The rest of components i already have. 😃
thanks for the video mate just what the doctor ordered
Hey guys!, i currently own an fx4130 on my pc that i got for 200€ and im thinking of upgrading the cpu and found a phenom 1055t for cheap. Im just thinking about if this is a good upgrade, im planning to play esport games like csgo, lol, valorant etc.
Im also pairing the cpu with an 1050ti 4gb, so will the bottleneck be minimal
I'd definitely look for at least an FX-6300.
11:58 pipeline lag is reduced
Excellent video as usual. What are your future video plans? Are you going to make more videos on these am3 platforms?
Yup, I'm thinking of getting of an FX-4300 as well, probably will also compare the FX-6300 to the FX-8350 in one of my upcoming videos. Got a lot of stuff to do.
@@RATechYT Just an idea, Good value for budget upgrade for am3+ motherboards. An example buy four core phenom unlock to six, or buy two/three core phenom unlock to four.
Nice...bro....bro can u make a free fire benchmark in emulator like blue stacks while using this cpu,and r3 2200 g or thai type of apu...please!
Not really sure I understood your request.
@@RATechYT COD WARZONE DOES NOT WORK ON THE PHENOM II X6 1090T?
@@skinsskins2047 Yes it doesn't as it lacks the required instruction sets of the game
El Ryzen 3 1200 les pasa por encima a los dos, sin despeinarse. Los años entre el Phenom y FX, y los Ryzen, se notan.
Yo no compro esa mierda de ryzen dentro de 4 años actualizo mi pc nerd
Nice and objective review, thanks!
Thanks for this video
Thanks for watching!
I still use my Phenom II x6 1095T, it has been 9
years and it keeps going strong for my use. I recently upgraded the GPU for a RX570 4gb(preparing the ground for a CPU and MOB upgrade) and the only let down was when i tried to play Warzone...they asked for a AMD FX-6300 as a minimum. This is how I got here! hahahah Not happy knowing that there is not a big diference between them.
Hey so i have a FX-6300 with a 1050 Ti and it seems to be bottlenecking my cpu with high cpu usage and low gpu usage, if there is any tips or even make a video about ways to improve it will really help me out thanks!
Any help for bottleneck?
the fx cpu is likely the bottleneck in that combination
Yay, new video. Good day to you 👍.
You too!
I can't play warzone
my computer has
AMD Phenom (tm) II X6 1090T
2gb GTX 750
16gb ram
250gb ssd
Can i run it
I install it but it only stays in playing but does not start the game
Oh dear? Get a better GPU ...OH WAIT :-/
My 6300 on 3.8ghz still good. Lol will use 6300 until Corona is totally gone🙈
3.8 GHz? Funny. When they easily clock to 4.5 to 4.8 GHz on a good board with a good cooler.
Will never be gone.
COD WARZONE DOES NOT WORK ON THE PHENOM II X6 1090T? please take a test!
Ive tried a bypass though now i need to test it on windows 10... because it doesn't work on windows 8.1??
It's not working, says my CPU doesn't have the minimum requirements! my video card and an RX 570 8 GB, 8 GB RAM
@@skinsskins2047 I've tried again and again with the bypasses through youtube though no hope :(
@@skinsskins2047 we almost have the same system, I have Phenom 1090t 8gb ram and GTX 780
just wanna ask why are there not used more Now, seeing there 6-core at 4.6 GHz people rather use a newer version with less? just asking TY, Also Ur video look really Nice and crisp
There's a lot more to CPUs than just clock speeds and core count. Simply put a quad-core from today at 4.0 GHz will perform better than a six core processor at 4.5 GHz from eight years ago.
@@RATechYT : Right ok if i dont ask i wont know
Hi there
I wanted to ask a question not related to the video
How far can you upgrade the cpu on a a320 motherboard
BTW I really love your old fx cpu and phenom videos
It just really shows how far have we come in terms of technology
What do you think about the fx 6300 and fx 8350 is it because of the way they were built or they actually gave only half the cores and have hyperthreading or smt
Since third gen Ryzen is very power efficient, I believe some A320 motherboards will be able to handle a 3900X or even a 3950X. I'd still rather get a cheap B350 board tbh.
Not sure if I understand the last question.
FX is a modular physics core technology using CMT
Considering the the phenom was running at a much slower overclocked frequency than the FX proves how good the architecture was
Lmao no
buen video amigo. una consulta, tengo un 1090t en una placa GA-880GM-USBL3L, es recomendable actualizar a fx 6300....?
No
Friends, i have the X6 1090T. I found an FX 8320 (not 8350) for a good price. In my case, is it worth replacing? Thank you.
If you have a am3+ CPU, then yes. Plus the 1090t sells for probably about the same as the 8320 on eBay.
Nice comparison, too bad phenom lacks modern instruction sets otherwise it could still be viable for 60hz-ish gaming.
Thank you respect bro🙃
thanks well explained
Some of these games surely take advantage of the AVX, SSSE3, and other performance enhancing instructions on the FX6300 compared to the 1090T, hence the boost in gaming speed.
What I also find interesting is the idle watt usage, because my FX8350 (16GB DDR3-1866 ECC, Nvidia GT1030 GPU)when just sitting doing nothing uses around 40 watts (running linux).
Erh..if they use AVX, SSSE3 etc. they won't RUN on the Phenom!
@@dallesamllhals9161 Um you are wrong! It would use a different code path like sse3 instead. Handbrake does this for encoding.
@@thudtheace erh. Okay. ..
@@dallesamllhals9161 This is not really that hard, you just do a cpu feature lookup at execution and pick the appropriate path. As a rather simple example download the ioquake3 source and look up the switch to use sse vs non-sse enabled CPUS. Here is a part of that code:
#if !idx64
cpuFeatures_t feat;
feat = Sys_GetProcessorFeatures();
if(feat & CF_SSE)
{
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You could also have just turned off two cores or one module on the 8350.
you mean 2 threads OR 1 module (or better cores!)
sadly the Phenom II lineup were real cores, so for the X6 a 6C/6T, but FX ones were only 3C/6T or 4C/8T.
I enjoyed it, because i got a Phenom II X6, and i really had to laugh as i saw that a newer, more expensive FX was as fast or slower as my older Phenom for only 110$ xD
Which gpu did you use? I've got the an fx 6100 but switching to the fx 8300 so I wanna get a gpu that can work well
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@@RATechYT how the hell did i miss that? Thanks man!
Think its an bad comparison since the 6100cwme out ater the phenom the 6300 was a faster better chip released later as a refresh
compare it to ryzen 3 and 5
why not test the 1100T instead of the 1090T?
That's what I have. What's wrong with the 1090T?
FX STANDS FOR FUCKING POWER !!!!!!!! LOL
THIS PROCESSOR ROCKS I have 2
Great Video....
Modern game engines loves high speed memory, even if the FX 6300 has lower raw performance compared to phenom, it has a better memory controller.
That's why modern games loves the FX
Modern games engines?
Has no one looked at the graphics card frequency? Often it is running 200 MHz SLOWER on the Phenom. And, surprise, the fps is way lower.
If this is a function of the processor not feeding the card, discuss it. If not, redo the tests with same graphics frequencies!
3:34, 4:03, 8:37, 9:23, 11:48
Have a look at these time stamps and pay attention to the GPU frequency. The same thing happens to the FX-6300, and that is a normal behavior.
The graphics card is overclocked to 1441 MHz on the core, but you can see that it does not always stay up there. What it means that in those situations the CPUs are not able to "feed" the graphics card for it to boost to the max, which means if I use a slower CPU, the graphics card will downlock itself even lower, and using a faster CPU will help the GPU stay at its maximum clock speed most of the time.
Still using the FX 6300. Btw you forgot to show GTA V while they were overclocked
Yeah, realized that afterwards.
@@RATechYT you can still share some stats with us here :)
@@eduardedy322 The thing is I forgot to test both of these out specifically for this video, but according to older tests I've done, the FX is also slightly better in GTA V. I'll include that information in a pinned comment.
@@RATechYT thank you! 😎
How do these compare to Ryzen 3600?
These are horrible compared to the 3600.
У меня до сих пор 1090t с разгоном в 4,1ггрц. Хватает с головой!)))
tenes que probar en ark, yo creo que el phenom es mejor ya que el fx se calienta y estropea todo.
I guess this just shows that modern games are better optimized for modern CPUs. The usage of both CPUs are the same percentage in all the games but run smoother on the FX which kinda shows that something else is slowing the Phenom II. I wonder if the Phenom II would kill the FX in older titles?
The first four games are already quite old (released in 2011 or before), and I doubt things would change much in games older than that.
Games late 00's using more than 6 threads?
Делаю вид что что то понимаю👍
In my experience, phenom better in virtualization
It won multi-core probably because it has 6 FPUs vs 3 FPUs on the FX...
the 1090t is a real six-core Thurban but the FX 6300 Bulldozer CPU is no good
phenom , if you know what you are doing , has way better thermals too.
FX-6300 is actually a 3 core hyperthreaded chip, not a true 6 core. Hyperthreading wasn't a word when this was designed.
No offence man, but it would be great if you did some research before writing a comment like this.
@@RATechYT I built dozens of systems on this chip, you where like, 5 years old when it came out...
forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=368889
3 core, 6 thread. please do your research before telling people to do research...
@@ReelSpider Have a good day man.
@Dalle Smalhals he did some research and doesn't want to be involved in this comment any more...
LOL at 11:13 you simply shows a couple tests at the same clock and goes ahead pointing that the FX consumes less energy... of course it should, since it has 3 clusters of 2 cores (not full 6 cores) and it's built on 32nm not 45nm (it should consume a lot less, not that little). The main point is, when you are into core development and IPC, process node, power comsumption, everything matters, and as such, the decision to go for the FX topology was and still is considered terrible, simply because if AMD went for Phenom III x8 taking advantage of 32nm, to increase clocks (and keeping the 27% better IPC - 478 vs 376) they would have a much better product, even perhaps incorporating the new instructions. Let's say they could only increase the clocks to 4GHz (+400MHz for the turbo), that would mean going from 478pts to 705pts (10% faster than stock, and almost the maximum you got from OCing the 8350) this already instead of the 8150 (not 8350), on the first itteration.
Are you sure you watched the whole video and heard the conclusion? If not, at least take a listen to 12:44-14:02.
I said nothing about the power consumption when comparing them clock for clock. The FX processor consumes less power regardless of whether both processors are stock or overclocked, and it does that while performing similarly or outperforming the Phenom II in most of these tests. On top of that, the FX-6300 has a much lower MSRP compared to Phenom II, and I talk about all of that in the video.
I just don't understand your defensive attitude. You're acting as if I'm hating on Phenom II and praising FX, even though I never said that AMD did a great job by going with FX instead of improving Phenom II.
Very nice and interesting video!!
Thank you!!
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At the time the issue was that FX having no real advantatge in IPC core vs core, a Phenom II could smack it's face simply because games in that era didnt multithread much usually. WIth Intel was the same, but even worse for the FX. The architecture benefited quite a bit as software became more and more multithreaded, but it was too late.
Agree, back then most of the games using 2 cores while triple A games just started to use 4 cores. Nowaday, all games can optimized every cores which is why 6300 shine when newest title supporting AVX That phenom ii lacking of. AVX did improve performance in gaming
farcry 3 in 2k20? rly?
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@@RATechYT k.
I will never call the fx6000 a 6 core
Even though the Phenom II X6 1090T is also six core and the FX-6300 is able to beat it in some areas?
@@RATechYT Well, Core-Temp calls them 3 cores now...😐 My 1100t still a 6 core!😜
CPUZ phenom 1095t no 1090t jajaaj
12:59. The 6300 was cheap not because of progress but because that was all AMD could sell the Piledriver cpu's for. Bulldozer had already long been known as a being a disappointment and the FX cpu brand was beyond repair. It was basically a holding pattern for AMD to 2017.
In crysis 2 the fx 6300 has more performance because the x6 1080t has less cores, so if you're recording the screen the x6 has less performance, without recording they will be equal
They both have the same amount of cores. Performance is the same with or without recording.
@@RATechYT Oh im sorry, i miss understood, i though it was something of that
Thanks for be that quick on correcting me
Huh?
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А по русски плыз?🤔
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Wow Both cpus are bottenecking horrible. Though, its really good if you got it under 100 bucks
En realidad el fx6xxx solo es de 3 nucleos reales y no 6 como dicen ser
The Phenom uses more power but runs cooler.
Just shows that the FX wasn't really a leap forward, even in it's revised state....... FX to Ryzen, now that's a totally different story.
With an overclock the CPU itself does run cooler, but like I mentioned at 10:40 you can see that the NB and VRM are running hotter on the Phenom.
Phenoms had much better thermals . I had an overclocked 1100T on a thermaltake AIO running at around 20c . They were a really well designed chipset at the time, and I think still are.