Is This Best Clog Dancing English Irish Or Scottish?

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  • @ladyjayne77
    @ladyjayne77 2 роки тому +9

    It doesn't matter what year it is- or what fashion or hair cut- this is how ppl should party. THIS is life, fun, loving and living.

  • @mustelidpeter
    @mustelidpeter 4 роки тому +11

    If anyone is interested in the truth about the people and culture of Appalachia rather than what they would like it to be then I recommend reading ' the ethnic origins of kentucky highlanders' which is on the race/history/evolution blog.
    The rural people of England had a much richer musical culture than they are given credit for. Many so called Irish songs are actually of English origin and many songs were common to all of the British Isles.

    • @susandrydenhenderson6234
      @susandrydenhenderson6234 7 місяців тому

      I came here to say the same. Why does everybody think everything’s Scottish and Irish? Appalachia was settled by a lot of northern English people and others.

  • @mustelidpeter
    @mustelidpeter 4 роки тому +8

    The population of Virginia in 1790 was 83% english., 7% scots and 2% irish. These were the main source of migrants into appalachia. The scots irish, a large percentage of which were of english descent came down from Pennsylvania. I appreciate that droves of people are desperate to be irish or scots irish rather than english but that is not good enough excuse to create a false history. All you have to do is look in a phone book and look at the surnames.

    • @joekhatib3798
      @joekhatib3798 2 роки тому +2

      Interesting, you have a Welsh surname!!!

    • @mustelidpeter
      @mustelidpeter 2 роки тому +2

      @@joekhatib3798 Whoever told you that. Franklin is an old English surname meaning freeman, not of noble birth.

    • @joekhatib3798
      @joekhatib3798 2 роки тому +1

      @@mustelidpeter My point is NOBODY CARES!!! 🙄

    • @mustelidpeter
      @mustelidpeter 2 роки тому +2

      @@joekhatib3798 Many thanks for your invaluable contribution.

  • @peterose2054
    @peterose2054 3 роки тому +9

    In answer to the question “is this best clog dancing English, Irish or Scottish?”, surely the answer would have to be English as neither Scottish nor Irish call any aspect of their traditional dancing ‘clog dancing’ whereas the English do.

  • @frederickrasenberger1000
    @frederickrasenberger1000 6 років тому +9

    Alan Lomax one described Appalachian culture as more "British" than anything existing in those forever disparate isles. Every
    culture is a composite- bits and pieces of other cultures put together in unique ways and influenced by local factors. Fortunately Appalachia's poverty and isolation preserved these long enough to be recorded. From a fellow Long Islander who also loves the people and culture of Carolina -THANK YOU

  • @Unit38
    @Unit38 6 років тому +9

    East of the Blue Ridge, that was known as flat footing. My Mother in Law, whose ancestor's were here in the colonial days, knew those steps.

  • @jwwmitchell
    @jwwmitchell 6 років тому +14

    You call it dancing. I call it magic; beautiful magic. I can see some Native American 'movement' here as well . The truth is, evolution or 'development' does not explain the wonder we watch here. These Appalachians had produced something entirely unique, nothing elsewhere or before could compare with it. There is a scientific term for this phenomena - 'synthesis' - when disparate elements are combined together to produce something entirely new. Mind blowing - Like sliding down a black hole and zooming out the other end !

    • @hopbush
      @hopbush 6 років тому

      James Mitchell just

    • @Tiz604
      @Tiz604 6 років тому +8

      Bollocks ... native american moves ... clogg dancing originated from England ...

  • @mustelidpeter
    @mustelidpeter 2 роки тому +2

    It might be iteresting to watch Laborers in England 1901on UA-cam and similar posts. I realise that it is not the same time period but most of the people are wearing clogs. They were still popular in the 60s for people working on dairy farms in Northern England.

  • @michaellomax2
    @michaellomax2 Рік тому +1

    It doesn't matter what the origins or roots are, it's about enjoying the music and dancing. I can watch this over and over.

  • @cathyrobi3891
    @cathyrobi3891 7 років тому +8

    Second half has the finest looking and dancing youngsters I've ever seen . I'd love to know if they still dance today

  • @banjocantrell838
    @banjocantrell838 6 років тому +6

    At times this is near to a square dance, round dancing, and a bit of flat foor or Buck dancing. It all boils down to one thing, friends of the hill country loving life .God Bless to all who made this fine part of history.

  • @shamrock4500
    @shamrock4500 5 років тому +6

    Very similar to Sean Nos dance from Ireland, my Mom was a champion dancer, this was her style, we are Irish Canadians.

  • @jackyyumyum6626
    @jackyyumyum6626 8 років тому +9

    I wonder if Michael Flatly from that LORD OF THE DANCE show can help. Maybe someone at a college music department. BTW I love the video you made. I am touched by it. I love watching people having fun. They are all different ages and clean and well groomed. It is so sweet to see young people untouched by the hippie dirtiness and ripped blue jeans.

  • @brucecollins4729
    @brucecollins4729 2 роки тому +2

    the origins of clogging will have it,s roots in england or wales. scottish stepdance mostly went to canada. american fiddle music tho would have it,s roots in scotland.

  • @r.johnston919
    @r.johnston919 4 роки тому +5

    Fiddle music is of course very popular in Ireland... However, few know that the fiddle (or more technically, the violin) along with traditional reels were introduced into Ireland mainly by Ulster-Scots. And within a few generations the Ulstermen took their fiddle music with them to the frontiers of America where in their areas of settlement around the Appalachia it evolved over time into Old-Time and Bluegrass styles.The Scots would have taken their dance styles with them as well as their music and as a result of the afore-mentioned ,the dancing that you see in Appalachia is more likely to have Scottish and English roots.

    • @Warpipes1000
      @Warpipes1000 2 роки тому +3

      Introduced by Scots whom became Ulster Scots.

    • @jamesleonard7439
      @jamesleonard7439 Рік тому +1

      Yes you are right, however tartan is an Irish trait introduced into Scotland along with the bagpipes I have been told.

    • @brucecollins4729
      @brucecollins4729 Рік тому

      @@jamesleonard7439 you have been told wrong then. irish nationalists adopted much of scottish culture inthe 1800s to distance themselves from the colonial english. including kilts/tartan and bagpipes.

    • @jamesleonard7439
      @jamesleonard7439 Рік тому

      @@brucecollins4729 No I'm not, when me know truths i can speak facts.

    • @jamesleonard7439
      @jamesleonard7439 Рік тому

      @@brucecollins4729 No I'm not, when me know truths i can speak facts.

  • @wilber9735
    @wilber9735 6 років тому +5

    This was fun. Thank you.

  • @derbydrifter
    @derbydrifter 5 років тому +5

    Still one of my favourite UA-cam videos of all. It just makes me smile so much - I think it's the togetherness and fun of it all. Do people really enjoy themselves like this anymore?

    • @Jigdolly
      @Jigdolly 5 років тому +1

      Kurt Rivers yes, I instruct Appalachian Clogging in England and few more of us meet up in people’s sitting rooms to do Kentucky Running Set, we have live music too!

    • @derbydrifter
      @derbydrifter 5 років тому +2

      That sounds like a whole lot of fun; and very important to keep such togetherness pastimes going. Well done you. Enjoy!

  • @realhwddet9197
    @realhwddet9197 4 роки тому +1

    What a great film. These people are having a blast. It's fun to watch. I was in high school when this was filmed. thank you for sharing.

  • @frankpallister
    @frankpallister 6 років тому +12

    english without a doubt the clue is in the name clogs which were the standard footwear of people working in the cotton and wool mills of northern england .the workers did little stepping routines to keep warm and from getting cramp whilst the weavers were minding the mechanical looms but they only moved below the waist so that the oversears could not see as they were hidden behind the looms which were waist high at the operators end this would have been stopped otherwise ! there were no mills in scotland or ireland though clog dancing developed into the number one entertainment for a while and clog dancers toured ireland , scotland and the usa which spread the style workers from the north of england came to work in cotton mills in the us and clog dancing came with them eventually dancers who had no connection to the mills took it up and developed many more complex routines a good clog dancer could make a career and some came to the us some went on to succed in the entertainment industry notably charlie chaplin stan laurel bob hope even though clog dancing had morphed into tap dancing by then

    • @cyntar556
      @cyntar556 6 років тому +2

      Frank Pallister that's true !! I'm also listening to the caller, the music and the style of dress, it's all American English.

    • @tubemagpie
      @tubemagpie 6 років тому +3

      Only problem with the "dancing to keep warm " idea is that step dancing was extant all over England in a variety of forms..... and probably went back to before the industrial revolution. After all people have long enjoyed showing off their particular skills, which is what step dancing (like solo Morris jigs) is all about.
      The earliest suggested date that I can find for the introduction of clog dancing (specifically Lancashire Clog Dancing ) to the USA is about 1830 but instinct tells me that some sort of wooden soled shoe dance would have traveled over with settlers (working class) in the 18th century at latest as with contra(country) dances among the "higher" echelons of society from Britain , particularly England....we can speculate as to other influences from other European countries and elsewhere.
      BTW I'm pretty darn sure that there were mills in Scotland.. woollen .. and in Ireland.... Linen (Knockando Mill dates back to 1794 at least..and (IIRC) a manufacturing facility was established as far back as 1770 in Edinburgh ... that is by the way...

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +2

      @@tubemagpie It comes from Irish sean nos dancing, the scots don't do free style or quadrilles rather (square) sets. You can look it up it's remarkably similar. The majority of the people despite the myth of the ''scots-Irish'' came from all over Ireland and settled in the region, they where of native Irish background persecuted in Ireland by the British.

    • @mustelidpeter
      @mustelidpeter 4 роки тому +3

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 You are very persistent with your misinformation.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 4 роки тому

      @@mustelidpeter I don't give misinformation, but I'm betting you do.

  • @DD-wx3ho
    @DD-wx3ho Місяць тому

    I have watched this video more than any other on UA-cam, my heart and soul just connected ( never knew why as an adopted child). Then last year, I did my dna test through Ancestry, and found out my people came through the Appalachia’s. I hope they had this much fun.

  • @happyguyx1
    @happyguyx1 4 роки тому +2

    Buds right. Scots braught it all to you. Im here in Scotland but i adore the American states that we colonised. All east coast dancers. clog on

    • @peterose2054
      @peterose2054 3 роки тому +5

      No they didn’t. Clog dancing is traditionally northern English.

  • @susandrydenhenderson6234
    @susandrydenhenderson6234 7 місяців тому +1

    Only the English had a tradition of similar clog dancing.

  • @onemanwalking
    @onemanwalking 2 роки тому +1

    Irish, mom would have loved this . Looks like grandmas house on sunday afternoon

  • @mirandabaker8192
    @mirandabaker8192 6 років тому +3

    I would say it's mostly highland Scott's with some Irish steps thrown in. Most of us( yea I'm one) were decents of Scotland and Northern Ireland we flock to the hill country ( weather to the Scottish highlands or the Appalachian mountains) like bee's to honey. We don't feel at home on flat land the mountains almost aways calls to us.

    • @frankpallister
      @frankpallister 6 років тому +2

      you have a good solid english name ! bet you' re not roman catholic

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +1

      It comes from Irish sean nos dancing, no actual scottish connection.

    • @Wotsitorlabart
      @Wotsitorlabart 2 роки тому +7

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      No it doesn't. As has been pointed out to you this area of America was mostly populated by English settlers not Irish. It was the English who brought the clog dance styles with them.

    • @mustelidpeter
      @mustelidpeter 2 роки тому +1

      I doubt very much if your Baker ancestors came from Highland Scotland. Most likely from England. Baxter is usually the Scottish equivalent, but even that is not exclusively Scottish.

    • @mirandabaker8192
      @mirandabaker8192 2 роки тому +1

      Except Baker is my married name. my husband's ancestors were clan McLane and yes. Some were English but my own history is 6 generations in the Appalachian mountains and befor that we came from Scotland.

  • @slantsix6344
    @slantsix6344 7 років тому +6

    The Scottish have dances similar and so do the English and the Irish, you can see the roots very easily in the dancing.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +2

      All clogging comes from Irish dance known as sean nos dancing, it was brought to England and scotland with Irish immigrants, Virginia was settled mostly from Ireland.

    • @austinsouthward7208
      @austinsouthward7208 4 роки тому +5

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 England exported all it's tredistions to the colonies clogging in the northern England goes back centuries island was a back water. Scratching a living in the fields everything in island came over from England clogging to name but one

    • @mustelidpeter
      @mustelidpeter 4 роки тому +4

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 If thats the case where are all the typically irish surnames in Appalachia. Almost non existant.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 4 роки тому

      @@mustelidpeter Irish surnames were commonly anglicized.

    • @mustelidpeter
      @mustelidpeter 4 роки тому +3

      Not that old chestnut. Please give examples .

  • @ehta01
    @ehta01 8 років тому +13

    In answer: Scots. Brought here in 1740's after Culloden by our Scots ancestors. My people still do this dance to tis day.

    • @Tiz604
      @Tiz604 6 років тому

      bud turner Bollocks ...

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +4

      No it's Irish all clogging originated in Ireland it was brought over to England and highlands by Irish immigrants, Clogging comes from sean nos dancing. The people that settled in Virginia where from Ireland.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому

      @@Sarandib22 Yup.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +1

      @@Sarandib22 Yeah I had a peak at the records of the time muster rolls, and some of the famous people that came out of there, they have the most ridiculous Irish surnames Iv'e ever seen lol.

    • @hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo
      @hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo 4 роки тому +1

      @@Sarandib22 Clogging's English, it's as simple as that, started in the 17th -18th century mill towns of Lancashire, Yorkshire and the Lakes, it started with girls tapping their clog's, everyday wear, to the beat of the looms, this turned into competition, there's no tradition of wearing English leather upper Clog's in Ireland or Scotland, the Irish never settled the Appalachians , it was English, Lowland Scots (Anglo Saxons) and a mixture of English/Scottish planters who went via Northern Ireland, it's also thought a large group from the English west country settled the Appalachians as theirs is the closest to the accent, step dancing took place all over the British isles, every inn in England at one time had a board or steel plate where step or clog dancers would take a turn, my local pub still does it.

  • @larryhagemann5548
    @larryhagemann5548 5 років тому

    Love it all, David! Priceless!

  • @reaganenglish
    @reaganenglish 6 років тому +2

    Love it !!!

  • @maggieleroy3184
    @maggieleroy3184 8 років тому +4

    I've seen other parts of this video and I loved it. Thank you! Just being curious, but the guy seen in the mirror holding the camera is that you? It must have been a great experience to be there and be a part off all this even if it was "only" for 6 weeks! Take care Maggie

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  8 років тому +1

      Yes Maggie, that is me -- at 23 years old with the 49 lb camera. Loving every minute of where I was and of my new found talent of "dancing" with the camera.
      David Hoffman - filmmaker

    • @maggieleroy3184
      @maggieleroy3184 8 років тому

      +David Hoffman Thank you. And your new found talent turned out to be a great success! I'm glad you made all these videos, they are informative, sometimes fun and overall great quality.

    • @AntTheInsect
      @AntTheInsect 8 років тому +1

      For some strange reason I really liked this video. For my age at least it's kinda weird because most people within the age 6-15 only like video games, toys, and other stuff. The part I liked the most was the description " People always debating whether the roots of this magnificent dancing come from England, or Scotland, or Ireland with a bit of African thrown in." It reminded me of my mom when she'd say "That's Scottish clogging", then I would say (triggered) "Umm, no I taught myself this and it isn't confirmed if it's from England Scotland or Ireland. I taught myself to clog (not very well at least) because I was mad that my brother wouldn't let me play with him, so I kicked the floor. It made a weird noise that I thought was intriguing and I started to practice to do it, and eventually I was decent at it (no where on these people's level though :/). Basically this video was inspiring and I am glad you made it.
      Thank you ~ Ant

    • @AntTheInsect
      @AntTheInsect 8 років тому +1

      I forgot to add I don't normally clog with clog shoes. I'd normally clog with well normal tennis shoes I guess, since clogging shoes make an eerie sound against the concrete.

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  8 років тому +4

      Thank you. Your comment is fascinating. And I find with documentaries of this type, age doesn't matter. Either my age or yours in one of the age of the film. It steps beyond its era to reach the hearts and minds of people of any age.
      David Hoffman-filmmaker

  • @jackyyumyum6626
    @jackyyumyum6626 8 років тому +2

    I wish I do that. It reminds me of how Rock 'N' Roll was made up of church modes and folk music brought over from Ireland and Scotland, and African rhythms added in the mix.

  • @gerrymac651
    @gerrymac651 7 років тому +4

    Whatever about its origins (id say a mixture)it certainly is closer to what happens across Ireland regularly to this very day.

  • @sharingthebounty2488
    @sharingthebounty2488 5 років тому +2

    It came over to the State (new world) via Irish and Scottish, as well as their music....these people to stay away from persecution migrated to the mountains (Appalachia) and stayed there for the most part...a lot of extremely old folk songs derived from and were passed down from the Elizabethan Era (and probably earlier) and were heard in America when sung by the Irish and Scottish and Britains....we hear variations of the oldest versions with words changed in many cases because they couldn't understand the Irish or Scottish words being sung.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +1

      It comes from Irish sean nos dancing.

    • @Wotsitorlabart
      @Wotsitorlabart 2 роки тому +6

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      As pointed out elsewhere on here the vast majority of immigrants into this area were English and many would have brought the English clog dance styles with them.

  • @vickystanley8853
    @vickystanley8853 5 років тому +3

    Dear Mr. Pallister, Your are mistaken on each of your points.Clogging existed in England Ireland Scotlland AND Wales avery long time before the Industrial Revolution. Clogs also existed long before in England And Wales. I dont know if clogs were used in Scotland and Ireland or not. "Clogging is just the word used by the English and Welsh. The Irish form is called step dancing. Also any one is likeley to dance around if they ate cold.

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +1

      This style of dance was never in Britain before the industrial revolution, American clogging comes from Irish sean nos dancing. Go look it up they're almost identical.

    • @peterose2054
      @peterose2054 3 роки тому +1

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 clog dancing is as English as cricket, football and rugby. It’s more likely that clog dancing was introduced to Ireland during the prolonged Tudor conquest of Ireland lasting from 1534 to 1603. This dance was absorbed into Irish culture and then became known as Sean Nos.

  • @wazm9768
    @wazm9768 5 років тому

    Few beers and a good song and I bust this out down the clubs

  • @No_Mask
    @No_Mask 8 років тому +2

    excellent, thanks *)#

  • @claretblood2790
    @claretblood2790 Рік тому

    Yep my family has history

  • @dannyboy5517
    @dannyboy5517 6 років тому +6

    More than a hit of Connemara sean nos dancing here

  • @chrisbrady3979
    @chrisbrady3979 7 років тому +6

    The solos are more related to Irish 'sean nos' - because the Irish also populated the Appalachians as well as the Scottish and English. But then it is not PC to recognise that the irish immigrants probably had more influence in Apalachia traditions than any other culture. See 'Talking Feet' by Mike Seeger.

    • @slantsix6344
      @slantsix6344 7 років тому +3

      Scotch-Irish and Highland Scots

    • @SuperKaren1953
      @SuperKaren1953 6 років тому +4

      Yes,there were Irish settlers here in the mounains of East Tennssee. My grandmother was of Irish decent.The mountains were settled by scots Irish and english.

    • @Tiz604
      @Tiz604 6 років тому +1

      Chris Brady Bollocks

    • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому

      @@slantsix6344 The ''scots irish'' are a 19th century invention by the know nothing party, Most of the people who went to the apalachias from Ireland had no connection to scotland and where native Irish. There was however people from England and scotland who influenced the culture, such as the name hillbilly which comes from scotland and some of the music from England and scotland, but the majority of the Appalachia culture comes from the native Irish who had been persecuted in their own lands by the British during the ulster plantations and conquests of all Ireland by Britain.

    • @Wotsitorlabart
      @Wotsitorlabart 2 роки тому +4

      @@thenextshenanigantownandth4393
      What rubbish.
      The 'Scots-Irish' were mostly Protestant immigrants from Northern Ireland a large proportion of them originally from the Scots-English border region who had settled there - many of those being English from Cumberland, Westmoreland, Durham, Lancashire and Yorkshire.

  • @johnmarcinko2484
    @johnmarcinko2484 2 роки тому

    Plus, after all this, they're too tired to get into any trouble...

  • @geraldsayese8436
    @geraldsayese8436 8 років тому +1

    Almost like Metis jigging

  • @brendawhite834
    @brendawhite834 4 роки тому

    I sure wish I would see that cutie pie young girl with cutest smile you must know I mean anyway of seeing or getting while if her to see how she is today that that sweet smile

    • @duncancallum
      @duncancallum 2 роки тому

      We all know who you mean Brenda, she is a very lovely lass and her smile is a scene of beauty, i am an 83 year old Scot the lass was probably 14 when the video was done , and i was 25 then in Edinburgh Scotland.

  • @susandrydenhenderson6234
    @susandrydenhenderson6234 3 роки тому

    English: ua-cam.com/video/RvyJyVhXcaI/v-deo.html

  • @vitoamos2815
    @vitoamos2815 7 років тому +1

    Say the franks !

  • @roygutfinski9991
    @roygutfinski9991 8 років тому +6

    Scots Irish

  • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
    @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +2

    Irish, as most of west and Virginia was settled by the Irish, clogging actually comes from Irish sean nos dancing.

  • @onemanwalking
    @onemanwalking 2 роки тому

    English Irish

  • @catdog596
    @catdog596 5 років тому +1

    For the 2 men, I would guess Irish, because their hands don't wiggle and their arms were held straight. The family dance is delightful.

  • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393
    @thenextshenanigantownandth4393 5 років тому +1

    The answer: Irish. Brought over by Irish immigrants who settled in the colonies before the American revolution, It comes from sean nos dancing meaning old style.

  • @irishaware
    @irishaware 3 роки тому +2

    Irish as can be.

  • @davidsandell7833
    @davidsandell7833 5 років тому +1

    Could be Irish.

  • @chrisbrady3979
    @chrisbrady3979 6 років тому

    Useless filming - can't see the feet. But the stepping is much like Irish 'sean nos' - a freestyle form of loose step dancing that comes from the Gaeltec. And the Irish do quadrilles or rather (square) sets. Never known the Scots do freestyle step dancing, nor square dances stepped or otherwise.

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  6 років тому +6

      I was going to remove your insensitive comment, Chris, but decided to answer you. I did not make this documentary or shoot this scene 50 some years ago to show feet. I was presenting people. My whole one-hour television documentary, made when I was 22 years old, looks at the people of Appalachia and how extraordinary they are.
      David Hoffman-filmmaker

  • @sufenta67
    @sufenta67 5 років тому +1

    Who is the pretty girl with the killer dimples?

    • @jimtownsend7899
      @jimtownsend7899 4 роки тому

      She looks very similar to Mary Badham, the girl who played Miss Jean Louise "Scout Finch in the movie "To Kill a Mockingbird".