Gatecrasher vs Onyx | Mech Arena
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- 2 Chonky boys with great potential. Who will win?
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I'd say Onyx is an Attacker with Tank in mind, while Gatecrasher is Attacker with Scout in mind. So that goes down to each playing style. Personally, I prefer speed and flexibility to firepower. So, if I'm going to seriously develop one of them, I'll prioritize Gatecrasher.
Ah thats a fair way to classify it. Makes sense!
But isn't that gatecrasher has actually more tank and speed than onyx
If the predator was a Mech, he would be Onyx.
Having finished watching...time for my good sycophant awesome applauding.
Seriously tho Scape211, it was very refreshing to see an old Scape211 format brought back for this video, with these two mechs.
Much Love and Respect.
Stay Dangerous (that's what's most needed for us that value you)
well I dunno if I would call it old format; I just realized I havent done a comparison in a while. I guess I mostly leave that to ruffles or g-jabs lol
This is awesome! Im so excited seeing the old Scape211 doing comparisons!
Godspeed and Blessings
I think you're spot on with the comparison I would give the edge to gate crasher I have both maxed out and I use gate way more
I bought the gatecrasher yesterday and wasn't sure if it was a good deal, felt better after watching the video thanks
Good Job!
Man I just love gatecrasher, I’ve been using him for months he’s so fun if you shoot the ion pod at a corner of a wall were the enemy’s are coming the bots almost very try and pass it so you can hold them back and let your team destroy the mob
I think gatecrasher is better it has a lot more options for using its ability the better speed will let it not fear mortars as much and not only is the recoil on the quad rocket unnecessary and the bounce onyx has when walking basically forces you to stop moving if your running precision weapons on onyx
that speed is really carrin
Graviton Beam with Onyx is awesome.
Got so many multi-kills with gatecrasher, hes great! plus you get his ability so often
I have both and favor Onyx due to the shoulder rocket. It comes in handy when eclipse and others go blank. The splash damage is no joke. I do like Gatecrashers Ion beam especially when you get campers. Hard to hit moving mechs with it is the only draw back.
Good ol' times of comparisons
Having used them both at similar levels (got them both at 3*), I immediately took a better liking to Gatecrasher. Gatecrasher is faster, has more HP, can shoot better on the run, and I actually find its Ion Pod easier to use than Onyx’s Quad Launcher. I decided to main it and I have it leveled up to 5* now, with DLs 12 & 8. It’s honestly incredible. My buddy loves Onyx though: has his at 6* with EMs 16 & 12. Ultimately it just comes down to preference, they both have a ton of potential and usefulness
Im surprised by the result
Yea I felt it was a close one. I just prefer the survivability of GC to Onyx extra damage. But let me know your thoughts too. Especially if you felt like it was a landslide for onyx.
I like gate crasher. Love the ability to flush out enemies from their hiding spot. The speed is awesome. Scape can you do comparison on stalker and orion. Thanks
Ah thats an interesting comparison. Yea maybe I can do that one in the future. Not sure when, but its not a bad one.
@@scape211 .thanks bro. Since you're going back to your old comparison topics.
@@frankiexyborg5980 it wasnt something I was trying to ditch, just something I hadnt done for a while. But ill think about doing more.
@@scape211 i would love to see that video, eagerly waiting ..
No doubt at all Orion is far better
Heres a note, onyx rocket comes out of its upper right, gatecrashers require the middle of gatecrasher out
have both, like them equally, they are very similar. not maxed out yet but see the potential once good pilots are involved. Pilots are stupidly broken by the way =)
I got onyx 1 week in to starting the arena, a beautiful chain of events caused me to get this guy for free 3 started in a play off event few days ago
oh nice one to get early - grats!
I think onyx is better in pc controls as you can manually aim the rocket at the ground or at walls to deal back damage or hit something with a direct obstacle between you
i like how gatecrasher can hit multiple targets at once you can do a lo of multikills or monster kills with gatecrasher
You honestly can with both, but I understand your point :)
Gc and onyx are both 9375 a coins in gearhub. Tier 8 like most legendary mechs other then brickhouse
I bought Gatecrasher, and initially I was disappointed and downright livid. I felt I had wasted money. But overtime, I started understanding how best to play GC, and it has gotten better. THAT SAID, the ability fails at it's primary function: flushing out enemies in cover. It just is not powerful enough nor has the range to fully discourage enemies under cover. The beam is too narrow, the initial blast damage is too small; I've had enemies remain in cover, standing right next to the active beam and still rack up kills. It is a near useless ability relative to what it was intended to do. It either needs to be redesigned as an area of affect weapon or have it's travel speed and damage increased, and it's blast delay decreased.
I'm holding off on getting any new mechs or weapons until the new system is in place. I was leaning towards getting the gatecrasher because of it's large health pool and speed.
Thats probably a good decision. However, I would make sure you have what you want out of the current progress path. The obvious choices being DL12s, surge, and railgun. Beyond that - I would agree that spending or going for play-offs or event crate rushes is likely not a great idea if you need other things the new progress path will bring.
@@scape211 Yeah, I've got everything but the surge. I'm 4k a-coins away from it.
Great Choice for a comparison. I think gatecrasher is better than Onyx by raw stats. If you talk of abilities I wouldn't consider either ability to be great, especially against maxxed AI or players. Secondly their abilities aren't always reliable, more so for Gatecrasher, his ion pod is very unpredictable at times, and even if you've mastered all the possible ways to use it that unpredictable nature may not always let you use it the way you want to. Onyx on the other hand has a more straightforward ability but it is a bit buggy, sometimes you miss the target completely no matter the distance. Without the bug it can deal upto 139k damage with back damage add the radius implant and you can even damage entire squad by hitting a surface behind them. Overall both mechs are really good in 2v2 or maps with lots of structures as their abilities can be used best in close range or tightly packed spaces
Personally I feel Onyx's ability is just better. It can miss on direct fire, but its more ideal to try to hit near targets for side or back damage through splash. Not always easy based on positioning and I have trouble landing it on mobile as the screen real estate makes it hard to angle for me (shot this all on mobile). But on pc, Onyx's ability is easier to use. But yea - the stats for me work in relation to survival. The weapons in this game are already higher output than HP so Onyx's ability isnt entirely necessary if you have good weapons. Gatecrasher just helps to position enemies in a way to make your weapons do the work and his speed helps you survive.
In raw stats and normal game play
It would seem gatecrasher is the better mech and more viable mech
But in actual gameplay
Onyx has more hax(outperforms).
Gate crasher has a big hitbox making him vulnerable to weapons like missile racks,disc launcher,railgun and EMs
While onyx doesn’t.
Onyx doesn’t need to come out of cover (at least entirely to use it’s ability) gate crasher does.
Onyx ability is more accurate and lethal than gate crasher
Cos nowadays people don’t hide or camp so well…matchups or mech vs mechs are usually finished in a matter of seconds so it’s ability to flush out enemies isn’t effective.
Only burden of onyx is it’s health and speed but realistically…
The health difference is about 30-40k it’s not that big of a difference but it’s still a difference
But here is the thing onyx is like a mixture between guardian and stalker currently.
People now use stalker to deal as much damage as possible in the short time of its ability before it dies cos of its low health…
Same goes for guardian it’s not viable cos it’s low speed and close range ability
But having that gaurdianrange implant changes that and you survive with guardian with a mix of passive and aggressive playing.
onyx has a medium health and it’s has low speed
It’s basically a guardian with more health and a bit more speed with a better long range ability.
This might be a bad example to use but people at high end especially in 1v1s play smartly and cautiously and the smaller hitbox onyx has and the fact it doesn’t have to come out of cover for its ability makes it a bit more viable.
But at the end of the day I guess it all comes down to preference.
Interesting points! I figured Id try to respond. But I think you have a great stance as this is a close comparison for me.
*Gate crasher has a big hitbox making him vulnerable to weapons like missile racks, disc launcher, railgun and EMs. While onyx doesn’t.*
This is probably true, but I haven't really been able to calculate hitbox well in the past. If you have or know others who have, feel free to share the process. In reality I don't encounter both mechs often as I don't see a ton of players use it in top end meta. I mainly just see the AI using Onyx. Both honestly seem like they have a decent sized hitbox.
*nowadays people don’t hide or camp so well…matchups or mech vs mechs are usually finished in a matter of seconds so it’s ability to flush out enemies isn’t effective.*
that doesn't seem to be my experience of where I am in the meta. At top end it's all EMs, DLs and RMs. If thats the case, you need to hide/camp or you are toast. Even the AI can insta kill you so you need to be cautious. I can see where both abilities can help to flush people out with going through the wall with GC or splash with Onyx. So if both have similar tasks in that sense, I side with the higher stats.
Onyx is more damaging for sure, but since we are in an HP deficit, I haven't found it hard to kill stuff with my main weapons most times. And while the HP difference of these 2 isn't bad, the speed is a bigger deal for me when getting into position, reaching beacons, or avoiding mortars.
Your point of 1v1 is also good. Its why I said Onyx tends to fair better on smaller maps or encounters like 2v2. I could also see him being better for the recent switch up of using 2v2 maps in 5v5. But for general play, GC it slightly favored for me. I really thinks it's a preference thing and support you with Onyx too.
@@scape211 yeah I didn’t really explain it well
But I’m glad you get what I was trying to say
Both mechs are actually Great and their differences are mediocre or small except in the speed aspect
It probably left to the player to choose which is more effective for it.
Maybe I told all that cos i usually have more problems with onyx than gate crasher
I have dodged the beams multiple times at close range without having troubles…I kill it quickly with disc launchers and em rifles
I do same for onyx but I take damage from the rocket.
So I just spoke from my experience with it.
All the same great video,great analysis and W content creator.
@@litking-mecharena That makes sense. Onyx is more damage heavy for sure and I struggle with it in the hands of the AI at times. I am sure Gatecrasher would be easier to deal with if the AI had it as the ability is easier to deal with. But I think in the hands of a player the mechs vary and its a preference thing. I appreciate your viewpoint though and the mention of the hitbox is something I didnt think of. Its often something I dont think of or mention since I dont really know the hitbox of all mechs. But its a valid point for sure.
brickhouse vs zephyr
5$ is what I got onyx for great deal great mech
Who ever wins will remain in my hanger and the loser will be replaced with surge in incoming days 😅
I just noticed something. Brickhouse's ability doubles the Onyx's ability dmg.
It doesn't mech arena said taht
Please do some more, i love these vids. About the comment of which one is better i would chose onyx personaly because, i do think he looks cooler to and i allready have him from the spin and i dont think im gonna hussel and get over 8k acoins for gatecrasher😂. I have some comparrisons that i want to see :
1. Orion vs stalker(with the new stats)
2. Ares vs jug ( new stats)
3. Surge vs redeemer
Grats on getting Onyx from a spin! and Yea - if you have him I'm sure there are better ways to spend acoins than getting gate crasher unless you really want him.
As for the other requests, I have had a couple for orion and stalker so that does seem like a good candidate. I will think about that one!
@@scape211 Thank You
I have Onyx and that quad rockets are freakin awesome, love the sound and when you do things right is a beast to deal with
Hey scape,I am collecting a coins to buy something before the update,should I get disc 12 or surge or railgun 16?
I'd say railgun 16, it always slaps
All are good and depends on what you have. I almost always see surge and DL12s in hangars end game, but rails have been a viable one to counter EMs. Surge is my default choice as he is top tier for mechs.
Hi
hi
Great video and super helpful assessment! I am curious whether the waves of Bastions has tipped the balance making Orion EM build stronger than the Redeemer EM build due to the 88% damage through shields… or is the extra Redeemer speed still the winning point?
Orion is a strong mech and largely viewed in the context of a bastion counter at high end meta so what you say is true. However, the overall application of Redeemer puts him higher in value. He can also deal with bastion by being able to use his ability and speed to keep his distance and run circles around him while still being super useful in many other ways. Orion is also very very good, but I would probably put him in A tier-ish. Redeemer is still S tier for me.
@@scape211 Awesome thanks for that! Really appreciate it! I
@ministry Channel SA i think ill try drawing a mech like that i already draw a mech named rust its stalker's twin
Whats better Gachrasher with Em 16s or Disk luancher 16s. Love your videos. Would you do a Gravitron beam Vs. arc torrent for best weapon on surge. If you do it can you please credit me in the video,
I could see gatecrasher doing decent with both but I would lean more towards EMs. DL16s works better on panther in the current meta I think. As for the GB vs Arcs on surge, it’s one I have been asked about before and have thought about it. Seems like a good one. I do see more running EM16/8 on surge though. Those darn EMs run on everything!
@@scape211 That's true thanks scape
Gatecrasher is op
Super informative I was very confused which to upgrade first they both at 24 energy atm now gatecrasher it is. Thanks Scape 👍🏻🫶🏻💥💥💥
Quick question... What are some reasonable options(weapons and pilots) for setting up Onyx early game f2p?
How did you put onyx f2p and early game in the same sentence
I have got both the mechs 😅 . But I'm not playing anymore 😂😂😊
completely understandable. game has changed so much! personally I have been playing farlight84 a bunch. Been super fun!
If you don't know scape, you can actually stack onyx ability dmg implants. Epic/leg mech ability dmg one and legendary quad rocket dmg one, which give +52%/ 60% dmg. Idk if it's possible with gatecrasher or not tho.
huh....that must be a bug then. They normally dont let you stack damage. Interesting thing to note and test if I get the chance though!
@@scape211 do make a video of that if you do try it😉
Who won the giveaway ?
They are Both good in my opinion You should do another VS With the other Legendary Mech,s
And I mean all of them
@@Brickhouseky-Mech_Arena might be hard to compare them all as they have different roles/functions. Interesting idea though.
@@scape211 ok
Hopefully they make it so both are affordable for F2P players. Also what are your thoughts on arachnos and brick house being a support mech now.
Yea agreed on making them affordable. I could easily see them jacking up the price on everything and saying its a higher value....ugh!
As for BH and Arachnos being support - I don't really mind it, but it felt like a lazy way to pad the support class instead of giving us new or better support mechs. They do feel kinda like support mechs though so I get it.
If redox is 8k acoins with how bad it is no way are good legendary mechs gonna be affordable
I like gate crasher, his ability to get players out of cover is pretty useful, onyx though having that ability to damage instantly with his quad rockets is nice. Both very good mechs but I'd give the edge to gate crasher
Yes. Me too
syes
@Scape I think aegis has the 4th highest hp not sure though
Oh you’re right! I forgot about him. So that means gatecrasher is still third and onyx goes to fifth. Appreciate the catch!
@@scape211 sentinel be like what I did to you scape🙂 by the way I was waiting for this video I have onyx(playoff event) and I'm planning on using him in place of gatecrasher (bcz i don't have gatecrasher)there isn't much difference according to you so I'll trust your experience and won't invest in both
hi,how are you doing?
hi! im doing good. hope you are too :)
I definitely prefer Onyx with the ability, the blast radius is the killer, maybe it is the star level talking but I have been one shotting every scout (minus surge) and support mech I think due to hitting the rear of them and the instant takedown of all the tank mech shields allowing you to focus on their hp immediately is a huge boost to its viability, in my opinion
Yea I can understand that. For me, the issue in the current meta is more about survival and speed often benefits me more. I dont really run tanks, but if I can get a tanky guy at a good speed I appreciate it for general play. But I can absolutely see where onyx is preferred. Very close comparison tbh.
Onyx is the best🎉 because I got it ha ha
I like the Gatecrasher the most because most of the playerd are campers so killing them is just satisfying . I dont like Onyx as it is hard to Aim his rockets . While i am practicing with Gatecrasher to aim and i succeded most of the times . So bye Onyx😊😊
interesting! i think onyx is a bit easier to aim than gatecrasher depending on the target. I will say I don't like the camera shake effect you get when you use Onyx's ability. It's a little disorienting.
@@scape211 Yes !!! this is the main point you got i also hate that Camera shaking just hilarious
La habilidad remate de onyx para mí es mejor que la de gate, porque la habilidad de este último es muy lenta y fácil de esquivar xd
Eso tiene sentido. Personalmente, siento que mato cosas lo suficientemente bien con mis armas, por lo que la velocidad de Gatecrashers lo supera para sobrevivir. Honestamente, parece una cuestión de preferencia. Onyx sigue siendo genial.
That makes sense. I personally feel like I kill things well enough with my weapons so the speed of Gatecrashers edges it out for survival. Honestly, it just seems like a preference thing. Onyx is still great.
@@scape211 de todos modos onyx también tiene su pequeño problema el cual es su velocidad algo reducida junto con sus relativos pocos hp
if they made onyx 20 kmh speed I feel like he would be even with gatecrasher. those stats are just too much to not make a difference
It stated in the game that the shoulder rocket launcher is slowing it down so it's not as fast as it could be ;-;
Onyx is my favourite legendary mech😮😮
Mine is surge
Onyx better skill if youre endgame players
I still like Bastion better than both of them.
I think gatecrasher is more powerful than onyx
haha i have both of them
than i dont have to consider about it!!
Do you prefer one over the other? or do you use both? which do you like more?
@@scape211 actually gate crasher.
because i bought gate first.
than gate crasher is now 5star.
and onyx is 4star
gate crasher speed is much more faster
and when i got used to his ability, it is amazing ability.
i even did killing spree by his ability
thats why i prefer gate crasher
thanks
Onyx looks better, gatecrashsr is more useful
...so...that basicly means longarms are better than EMs now. Autoaim was compensated by EM's delay before fire. Now it Is worst option among sniper rifles. Delay could be longer, double damage could be lowered or damage itself as well, all will be more acceptable. But autoaim was basic eseence of this legendary weapon. That Is very very disappointing solution to OP fix.
I think its just that people need to get used to the change. Its a massive one but the damage potential on the EMs is still higher than LAs or RGs. It has a higher double damage chance, high single shot damage, and faster reload per shot than the rails. Most people already learned to start their shots early for corner peeking to mitigate the delay. Now people either need to get used to manual aiming or move onto another weapon.
As I've said though - the real issue is how Plarium decided to do this; make an OP weapon everyone is practically required to get AND max out for effectiveness, then after its easily available to everyone they nerf it down. Its lazy balance that really only helps them make money. I only hope that they dont continue this practice of releasing super OP items, milking them, then nerfing them to make way for new OP items. Its within their rights to do so, but its very dirty and people will just leave as a result.
Hi scrape211 I had sent you a friend request can I play with you😊
Unfortunately the only way to friend me is FB now. Use my description link to friend me there. My ingame list is full.
@@scape211 ok
@@scape211 no in mech arena
@@scape211 ok
does anyone feel that the game isnt fun anymore?i dont enjoy it anymore,anyone else?
Same
@@tubois2025 yeah,the rarity update ruined everything.and even if all items will be avaliable,it doesnt help,in fact,everyone will just have em rifles,surges,disclaunchers.the abilities dont matter anymore,its so shit.if they dont boost hp or make some changes(which they wont),then idk how lonf me or others will keep playing.
I agree. I have honestly been playing less than I used to. I mostly find myself wanting to play Farlight84. Been really really fun and feels like when I started playing MA. Very refreshing.
Same
@@scape211 at least that game ain’t pay to win
Orion still severely outclasses them both damage wise. Thankfully their health can make up for it.
Very accurate for the masses. I can see a world where top players prefer Onyx for his assassin like play style, but those players have access to a comparably deep roster to back that up. Style points swing it for me though, Onyx looks cool and Gatecrasher looks like any modern truck with smooth lines. Boring. Beast of a mech in the stats though, 100%.
Yea I can understand that. I know some top players who prefer onyx and it makes sense. I honestly see it as a very close one and entirely preference.
i have lost my acont 2 times
lost? like spent them all too quickly? or lost in spin events? If so, those are really hard to win unless you have enough acoins for the whole thing.
1st please pin
how about a heart? :)
Thanks @Scape211 Gaming
Pay to win
True - but hopefully the new progress path will allow them to be more obtainable.
Hyped voice. Comments full of false excitement pretending interest of the game. Scape, we every body know users keep quitting the game due to explicit intention that plarium want to extract money from its user, and the responsibility of this exodus lies entirely with plarium.
I understand why you doing 'official partner' with plarium. You are content creator of mech arena, so you don't say harsh critism about plarium because making money for creating content with mech arena is your busiess.
But I want to notice this : preventing exodus by blocking criticism isn't possible, surppressing people's dissatisfaction with manipulating public opinion has a limit. If the way plarium doesn't changed, then they will notice plarium's intention and few away to another game.
I agree with most of your points, but it’s not scape in particular even though the criticism is mostly moderate from his side. From other content creators I would wish more not end game content and opinions as well as open criticism if it’s deserved. It sometimes feels as if the „right to criticize“ the devs is suppressed by them and that’s why the voices don’t reach them.
I wish more content creators called them out on their bs
I completely understand and agree. Plarium is in this to make money. In fact, every company is. Thats not surprising. But the way they do it I try to express when I dont agree with it. I dont make countless videos on it, but I definitely have talked about when I didnt like pilots, the grade update, the price hikes in the store, taking away second copies, etc. etc. If there are other things you see that I dont, then maybe I am not aware.
In terms of making money as a creator, thats not my ultimate goal. This is not a job; its a hobby. I honestly have intentions of moving to other games, but so far, none of my videos pertaining to other games have produced enough growth to make that move. So it seems people still enjoy MA. I have personally had less enjoyment in the game and will move to something else when the time is right. Those who talk to me know this. And other content partners know where I stand on it since I talk about it in partner chat (where plarium hopefully hears it). But making videos on it endlessly doesnt really seem to do anything to effect plariums decisions. So its just a stalling game before I make a move. Really the game is in a sad state for me.
@@scape211 i Understand scape, sorry for being rude, we are in the same boat
@@tubois2025 No worries! I didn't see it as rude. I don't work for them so I don't take offense. I also know not every partner can speak english well so I do what I can to make content and speak up. But I'm also a positive guy in general so even when I express stuff, I'm probably not as harsh as some want me to be. The truth is I largely agree with a lot thats said about it and frustrations attached. But I know continuously making videos about it wont really change things. I do express more of my opinion in the partner chat and try to explain how I see people leaving as they aren't happy with a lot of aspects. But it all only does so much as they will still do what they want/need to do with their game.
All in all, I really don't know how long I want to keep doing this. After trying out other games that are really fun, it makes realize the level of fun and joy I have with MA is far less than what it used to be.
@@scape211 i used to have another great game but it shut down so I was left with MA but it’s getting depressing really. I’ll look forward to trying trailmakers again tho
Despite having very cool and viable ability, in actual battles, gatecrusher kind of falls behind in my opinion. his ability is very hard to use. on the other hand, onyx's ability is straight forward and easier to use. Bot onyx literally one shots my full rank surge with the quad rockets. it's so annoying.
Hi
hi
I still like Bastion better than both of them.
bastion is top dog IMO too, but that doesn't mean they don't have a place in my hangar. I'm trying to decide between Onys, Gatecrasher and Scorpius...