Except they do have commercials. Do you not watch college football? During a game their will be a couple commercials for the the colleges playing, and a couple commercials for the conference each school is in.
That's a different commercial. You will only see that during the game being played between those 2 schools. You don't see that kind of commercial next to a snuggie commercial, or any time of day or night.
+dan t Is that school on the North or South Ridge? Would be amazing to study and look out at the Canyon every day. Visiting there at the Grand Canyon was the best ever!
TheEmanExperience Yeah dude it messed him up pretty bad to know he had struggled and got into so much debt for something that he couldnt use to advance in life like had been promised by ITT. Real fucked up. Like you said imagine all the OTHER people too. Sheesh.
alot of the community colleges are getting far better in programs. sometimes even better than the universities. still should finish in a higher degree in university tho
Also, Harvard for letting students cheat. Stanford for giving rapey students a slap on the wrist. Princeton for employing that ass Paul Krugman for years.
***** So what are you saying? The school came down on Turner as hard as they could have for an assault that happened off-campus- are you suggesting Stanford take him to their on-campus jail?
marudoethiopia According to the Daily Mail [shit source, I know] it happened on campus. They should have at least flogged him, like some sort of catholic atonemnet ritual. :-)
Those commercials were completely bullshitting you. There's no way an ITT grad is going to work at Lockheed or NASA unless he/she has some personal connections.
+Rogers Grafter well to be fair any fool can go work for lockheed..... They still need janitors, caterers and the likes, but Skunkworks, well yep your going to need connections or top qualifications from one of the better colleges/universities... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works
The government is really doing them a favor. They will be eligible for debt forgiveness and will be able to start at a significantly cheaper community college or 4-year university with a clean slate and be able to earn a degree that actually has value.
while I think ITT was shady in the way they recruited students (preying on low income demographics) I have to give it some credit that was not entirely a scam, I graduated and in just a few months I found a job in my field and am now making quite a comfortable living. don't just assume you know the whole situation if you haven't actively been involved yourself or have gotten both sides of the story.
+Trump Willnotwin I don't understand what my race has anything to do with my comment. the other individual who got a job in his field was African American if that's what you were insinuating.
+Trump Willnotwin to clarify I was one of two in my graduating class that got jobs in our field of study. That's why I think ITT was a bad school and needed to be shut down because of its practice of promising things to low inco.e individuals that they could not keep. They actively lied when they said 90% of their students find jobs in their field.
When I got out of high school in '91, the ITT representatives were brutal in their methods when they came to my house, making it sound like you had to take their offer or not even be ABLE to go to ITT. Underhanded, deplorable, horrible techniques and I'm quite frankly surprised they weren't punished for this earlier.
"People should just go to real schools" is not an option for most no matter how many times you say it. These for profit schools weren't the first choice for these students, they can't afford to go to a real school, and a lot of student who tried to get loans from a lot of places were turned down constantly, hence why they chose for profit schools. These students don't have access to any of opportunities that few have. A lot of people, like myself, can't even afford to go to a for profit school, and there are a thousand times more people in my position than there are those who manage to get into these for profit schools.
That is complete horseshit. These for profit colleges are basically trade schools. Some people don't want a degree, they want to learn a trade. You can't go to university to learn how to rebuild cars n shit.
I hear you, there are several private, for profit schools that follow the law and help people learn trades like WyoTech, Ohio technical college, etc. We're not talking about those schools. We're talking about For-profit colleges that fraudulently advertise as something that they aren't and lie about student outcomes. Those schools are giving legit private schools like WyoTech a bad name. If you are in support of trade schools you should be against the ITT Tech's and Trump Universitys of the world.
I, as a CNST (Certified Network Systems Technician) certified in the 90's. I can tell you that this company has been Lying to students for over twenty years, There are little to No jobs in this field. It is a glutted field. The only jobs are Temp, or contract positions. Most of these jobs have been outsourced to other countries. ITT is lying to every student that the jobs are there, they are NOT.
Who knows. Ask a Lawyer, that's what I would do. Get on the band wagon for the Big class action suit against ITT that is bound to follow. Sue them directly and maybe get your money back?
Every college thought that IT was the next big thing in the 90's and early 2000's. That's not limited to ITT and it certainly wasn't a lie as far as anyone knew.
Itt tech, University of Phoenix and what not are all scams. Also whenever a University shows you job statistics for post grads it is showing jobs in general and not jobs found in that field so being a bagger at a grocery store will count as job placement by your school.
They purposefully manipulate placement stats to get people in, when I started I was told 94% of people in the fashion program were employed in their field. only later to find out that could mean anything from working as a cashier at Walmart to being a fashion designer. and their numbers are even fishier in graphic design because quite a few people work for contract. so if you get one contract they consider that employed in your field.
+Kassi Beeghly Yup that's how my AI school did it. One lil gig of Photo editing and that school will write it off as Employment and never call to help you ever again.
I was about to mildly go off on a rant about how the arts are important bla bla bla. But then I read down to your later comment. When choosing a school did you really only look at graduate employment stats? Don't you look at course content and see what best suits what you want to do? With anything, particularly the arts, I feel like it's more about, the skills you learn along the way, the work you produce that will get you future employment, not necessarily the school you go to. I could be wrong. I live in Australia and our education system is set up a bit differently. But I will agree that even here there are 'prestigious' universities and others that are at a perceived lower level.
Diploma mill? Do you even understand what that term means? Not everyone can drive a $150,000 car, wear a $12,000 suit, or own a house with 20 rooms. The world needs marketing managers at the large retail chains. That's not necessarily a bad job to most people.
Dont get prego, dont have a child, dont waste money on drugs, get a minimum wage job, save, and then in 4 years youll have enough money to attend college, even if working at taco bell.
watwud Scooby Doo The advisers were total shit, I went to my state's flagship because I did research and didn't rely on just our adviser's recommendations. She also was in the IB program...
Actually they were screwed before ITT Tech closed since the degree would have been worthless. Now they might have learned something and their loans will be forgiven.
Unless you're a vet that wasted a substantial portion of their gi bill (stipend for going to college after serving active duty in the US military) in ITT tech. In which case, you're shit out of luck in the mean time.
+Greyghostvol1 funny was when I got out of the navy. I was heavily contacted by itt and they tried to convince me to go there. I'm just lucky that I used my head and went back to the workforce.
lawlietb UTI and Lincoln tech were the ones that bothered the hell out of me. I'd get text messages and phone calls from both at a weekly basis for months after I got out. Difference being that these tech schools actually are somewhat decent. The VA was kind of cracking down on more questionable tech schools like ITT tech by the time I got out, so many of these vets that went to ITT before it closed were likely warned about going there and simply didn't follow the advice given. I'm still not willing to fully blame them though, those for-profit colleges can be rather pushy. I did the "working" thing for a while when I got out in '14, but I live in NYC, so I couldn't pass up going back to school and racking in that sweet, sweet BAH rate for going to college here. Just need to get an apartment mate/SO/move back in with parents. I'm able to pay my half of the rent with more than enough left over, all for what amounts to very little undergraduate work. The problem is going to be whenever I get into graduate school, I'm going to be in for a rude awakening money wise.
Greyghostvol1 I understand that completely dude, I actually got out with little to no prep. I asked my command career counselor and he didn't know jack about my eligibility on staying in. So when I got out I had to either start school really soon or go back to work. I was lucky that I thought this stuff through and that a few companies could get me tech related job interviews. I now live in a city close to San Francisco and I work swing shift. I just hope that the VA helps the vets that got fucked over by this.
This, so much this, I get calls and mail from this schools even tho I am going to the second best school in my state, I think they get a list of vets somehow and just spam them until they go in.
I've always been really skeptical about these for profit schools. I know a lot of people defend these schools, but the fact is, these schools are not regionally accredited like your typical university or community college. As a result, in the eyes of employers at least, your degree is weighed less than that of traditional schools. And so my question is, because these schools are treated as 2nd class compared to traditional colleges, why do people still choose to go to these schools when they cost the same or sometimes more than traditional universities and colleges?
I always felt this school was a little sketchy. I was thinking about attending the school but had my reserves about it. The nail in the coffin was their outrageous tuition price.
People go there because most for profit schools start you in the classes you want to learn about on day one. I know a lot of ITT IT graduates in the computer industry who got jobs right out of school. You don't spend 2 years taking a bunch of prerequisite courses before you even step foot in a class about your major. The problem with these schools now is they cost way too much money and a lot of them started teaching in fields they didn't have expertise in to produce quality graduates.
As a graduate from ITT I have to say I got really lucky and was able to get a well paying job just a couple of months after I graduated. Now I also see that my situation and the scenarios you'd see in their commercials are a one in a hundred chance as only two of my graduating class have been employed in our field of study. ITT is a sham and while I'll be able to pay my loans off fairly quickly, for the 20 other students that still haven't found jobs are pretty much indebted for the rest of their lives with nothing to show for it. I'm glad the government intervened and shut down this school once and for all. Thanks for covering this Turks, you guys are doing the real news!
We had students from ITT come in as part of an initiative to hire upcoming graduates into our engineering department. Only 1 of the 10 students had the basic knowledge needed to competently operate the design software that ITT uses in its own classroom! We gave them a basic step-by-step exercise to see how well they could follow drafting standards. Even then, this one exceptional student did not know the software's basic commands, only how to click on certain icons and create basic geometry. I shouldn't be surprised since 14 years earlier I had thought about going to ITT and was allowed to sit in on a drafting class where the instructor couldn't navigate AutoCAD's simpler menus. This is something we learned junior year in high school! The recruiter tried to persuade me to sign up and get student loans, even after I told him how outdated their teaching material and instructors were. It was just all about money, like every other for-profit institution.
Jake Andrews I'm 24000 in debt. I'm sitting in class one day and I get an email from them saying we are working on getting your degree program accredited. I didn't do anything after that. I was so pissed off.. And now to get my transcript I still owe them 1500 somehow. I'm definitely not paying that.
Jake Andrews I guess we wait out this class action law suit. Hope it goes our way... I haven't gotten to the point where debt collectors are all over me
Funny thing is ITT wasn't even accredited! It said on the fine print on the tv commercials "credits are unlikely to transfer" that right there is a huge red flag!
I have been an adjunct professor at ITT Maumee for eight years. Thanks to Affirmative Action and H1B visa abuse in the U.S., despite having a Master Degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering, I have not found a job in Engineering in more than 14 years. I have been for a decade doing the work of a Electrical Tech for the pay of an Electrical Tech. And I would like to note that the company I work for has hired students of mine, and been happy with that they learned from me. And I have heard statements like that from other employers of ITT students from my program. Without this supplemental income I do not know how I am going to pay my bills this month. Since everyone is so worried about the students, what about the Instructors, regardless of weather or not you believe the DOE analysis of the problems at ITT Tech, the Instructors are not to blame, but we are the one that are going to lose. OR is UT going to be offering us jobs that start on the coming Monday, which ITT next quarter would have started? I also want to add that much of what ITT is accused of I experienced in my five years at University of Toledo, and worst, there were promises made and thing I paid for that were never acted on. I had to transfer to another school, were I graduated very near the top of my class. Why is the DOL not trying to shutdown UT?
calm down just, because they spent a few pennies of what they made employing some people it doesn't mean we shouldn't close them down. It's the same stupid reasoning like the military buying airplane and tanks to employ some people but the majority of money go to owners. Where not going to spend a shit load of money for you to still be employed stfu and start looking for new employment
"Booohoooo! I decided to work for a private for-profit university and now I fell straight on my face because shitty educational institutions that are subordinate to market forces tend to rip people off, which the government then might take action against."
I attended the University of Toledo for five years. During that time I never actually was able to get help from a professor. Once then I when to office hours I was told "I am tenured, I don't have to help students any more", that cost me FOUR YEARS OF MY LIFE!!! There placement service DID LESS THEN NOTHING, they did not send my resume on jobs, but did send foreign student's. And then there is UT's culpability in the Xun Lite debacle. As well as there H1B visa abuse issues. Hence why Is say, UT were American tax dollar come first, but Americans always come last.
Most technical collages across the country do the same thing and have been doing it since the '80s. I'm wondering what took the education department so long to figure this out. The technical college I attended happen to base their tuition on the exact amount that you can get by getting the maximum amount on a student load and maximum Pell grant. Convenient!
I always wonder why Americans always complained about crippling student loan debt. I did some research and Americans are getting screwed with health care and education costs. I'm not saying I have answers but the U.S seems very business based with private prisons and very low tax for income above 250,000$. I live in Canada and I believe income over 250,000$ is taxed at 45% here.
I was so close to going to this school signed up for the financial aid and everything but decided not to go at last minute. I will go to a community college instead when I'm fully prepared.
My friend's dad was an instructor for ITT tech. He told me and my friends that the school was a scam and even told his own kids to not attend ITT tech. Well that spoke volumes about that school. I think ECPI, Devry, and Phoenix are probably next on the list to be shut down.
People who get a real degree and don't drop out typically do. But you're right...states tend to lie about "what jobs you can get" with a liberal arts degree. (if it's not "nothing" then it's wrong!)
Forget liberal arts, I can't even get a job with a networking degree. I've been tweaking computers and programming since before I knew multiplication, but even with a degree I had to get a barely above minimum wage job as a mechanic to survive. My hobby turned into my job and my "career" turned into my hobby. Forget about ANY college, teach yourself and you'll probably learn more and spend less.
smart people go to community college first and get the associates degree for cheap, get a job with that and then transfer their credits to a big university.
Understand that if your student loan debt is forgiven by the Federal gov't, you have to pay taxes on the amount that's forgiven. They treat debt forgiveness like income.
One of my siblings got screwed over by going to a trade school. The school got shut down by the board of education and she was given a refund just like in this story, the thing is she had to wait 3 years for it to fully process. Her credit suffered because of it. People please do some research before attending one of these schools.
I remember their commercials. I'd be very interested to see interviews of the people featured in the ads, how and if they actually got their jobs, whether they're still in debt to the school, etc.
I went to Westwood College, which shut down in March. They were also a for-profit school. Thousands of students across several status and dozens of campuses were left high and dry. Over 500 students at my campus alone... I was supposed to graduate next month. Now I have to restart my BS. I should mention that they didn't shut down because of policies passed down by DOE - they shut down because they "weren't making ENOUGH" money.
As if "not for profit" colleges don't profit, they do in many ways. These guys just redefine "for profit", the definition is squeeze and burn the students, while not for profits, profit, with no "squeeze and burn the students".
Yeah, the education is much better at Yale. The main difference between Ivy League colleges and the rest is the high standard and the resources. For example, I went to a public university and studied electrical engineering. Sometimes we'd have professors who gave hard tests, and some gave easy tests. That's to be expected. Then one day, we got a new professor who taught briefly at Stanford, and was a graduate of MIT himself. He was a bit of a minor celebrity in the field of DSP. Anyways, this was the hardest professor I have ever taken in my entire life. Out of our class of 80 people, the highest grade on our first test was 9%. Yes, you read that right, the HIGHEST grade was only 9%. We had people in our class that were used to getting 100% on everything, and yet they could only manage to scrape together a 9%. Our professor told us that the class average would be curved but let us know that if we were his students at Stanford, we'd all be failing. The bar is set higher at these institutions. And as a result, they produce much better students. There's a reason why Nobel laureates tend to come from Ivy Leagues instead of public universities. And there's also the resources. Our lab equipment was 30+ years old. At Yale, I'm quite positive they have state-of-the-art equipment.
***** Yeah the lectures and textbooks are basically the same, that's because they must meet the ABET standard (at least for engineering). The difference is how hard you make the tests. For example, one professor might give us a test with a complicated transistor circuit and have us find all the gain, current and voltage values. But what this professor would do was give us a set of parameters and have us design a circuit to meet those parameters. When you only have an hour and 15 mins on an exam, it's basically impossible to design a transistor circuit as complicated as a 741 op amp.
Sadly I too went to ITT when I was 18 but I didn't want any refunds so I only took out enough to pay for class. I am an over educated Bank Teller ( I love my job).
I hate ITT. I went there back in the 90s and took out loans to go there. I was worried when a teacher was having problems figuring out how to do a math problem and asked me to show him how I solved it. I tried to just shrug it off that he just needed a refresher on it, even if it was simple. Then we were taught to solve problems a certain way in his class but then when we did the same work in another class, we got it all wrong. But if we did it the way the teacher in the second class taught us, we would get it wrong in the 1st class. The 2 teachers couldn't decide which was right. Their solution... just do it one way in one class and the other way in the other class. Clearly one way was wrong, if not both. I wasn't going to stand for such faulty teaching and I quit. Also refused to pay the loans but then they eventually started to garnish my income tax checks. I haven't seen a refund in years and them taking all that money has hurt me. I still owe thousands of dollars, have bad credit because of it and I am struggling. Every day I am wondering if this will be the day I have to live on the street.
Danny F I had called the cops on them because the kept coming to my house, when they arrived I called the cops and waited for them to arrive and block them in , they lifted both handcuffed because I warned them many time
I was young and dumb.... went to ITT Tech and after 2 years I'd have my associate's degree and a hefty debt of $90,000. I dropped out after the first year after a former student told me their degree was useless. No company would hire them even though they told us they had a great "job placement" program.
Education is not the key of success in life. Look at Bill Gates, the Kardashians, el Chapo Guzman or Donald Trump all examples the higher education wasn't needed to succeed. .
You think trump got rich by being an idiot his forefathers started the success and I doubt he even knows how to do his own taxes he pays people who specialize in that
After undergrad Trump went to one of the best business schools in the country Wharton. The rest are exceptions to the rule. For the VAST majority of successful people, education WAS the key to their success.
I went to ITT last year and found out they weren't planning to teach. " if you need help, google it or UA-cam it" I was told. Now I'm stuck with a 6k debt. where is my help?
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Up here in Canada there is a way to figure out which colleges are accredited, approved by the ministry of education. There is a Ministry of Education website that shows all the "real" colleges in the province. These are the colleges that give genuine degree or certificate based learning. You will have a real education if you go there. Several colleges are linked up to industry, with actual professional people coming in to teach with the regular instructors. Using the website you can explore what your local colleges offer, their requirements, and what degree programs are available. You can link in to the financial departments to discuss costs, loans, grants....You can link up to admin departments to see if you can go in for a chat and a tour. They still want your money. But they also want to give you a decent education.
I almost got sucker into signing up (not ITT) once, I liked the school and all. I asked about the GIBill (Im a veteran) and course she says yes, they accept the GIBill, then she bring up student loans, and I was like, why would I take out a student loan when I have my GIBill, which covers everything, then she told me how much it will cost, that means it will wipe out my entire GIBill, and I will have to take out an student loan anyway. So I told the lady No Thanks.
I once requested some information from these people or another similar "college" thinking I'd get a pack in the mail loaded with info. Instead, I was called by one of their high-pressure salesmen 30 minutes after filling out my contact info on their site. The guy started asking all my personal information; social security # and such and I asked him why he needed that. He was already filling out my student loan application! I told him I just wanted some information about the school and didn't intend to enroll anytime soon. He got a little snarky after that and I told him to just shove it. Then I went to my local community college and enrolled in some classes.
Happened to a friend of mine but he had no alternatives. He wanted to go to school on the first day, but noone was there. They just took the money from all the students and bailed. Happened in Portugal though.
The students were screwed as soon as they enrolled. I have three friends that went to ITT Tech, and they have jobs, but it's no thanks to ITT Tech. I checked out ITT myself, but my dad pointed out that I could do four years at a public university for much less money, so I did that, and I'm very glad I did.
I used to work for a For - Profit school and I know that they frequently over-charge... even raising tuition while lowering quality. That being stated, don't kid yourselves into thinking that more "legitimate" colleges are flawless simply because they are not-for-profit. They often waste plenty of money and also put graduates into excessive debt.
I think they need to look into CRAS in Tempe, AZ for this same reason. Their job placement statistics are totally rigged. After my internship I was asked if I was hired by the studio. Being a small town studio that I went to, employess were not needed, but instead we made a deal where I could bring in bands and run the studio myself and the owner and I would split the profits. 50% for the owner and 50% or me as the engineer. So I replied that no, I was not hired and explained the system we had arranged. My advisor said "Ok I'll put you down as hired, thank you" and hung up on me. But I never brought a band in to that studio. I never made a cent off that studio. Quite the opposite. I drove their almost 2 hours round trip every day to complete my internship. I soon after went to school again for a different career where I spend most of my time now, while trying to fund my own studio, I was almost there once, then life happened, and I'm almost there again. Of the 12 people in my class that I became close to over the course of our education I am the only one that maintains any kind of work in the audio engineering/production fields, and for me currently, it's not full time either. While the education is decent there, I still feel it's shady because of their placement statistics. Now we all have huge student debt we can't pay because of essentially a promise to get us great jobs in a dying field that is overly saturated already. Thanks, CRAS.
A lot of those credits from ITT Tech won't transfer to other schools, unless they are making exceptions. I wonder what will happen to those that want to continue their education, but have useless credits.
I had a horrible experience with University of Phoenix. They had me sign papers to request student loans. After a year plus and only a few weeks from graduating. I got pulled from class. Seems I didn't have the full funding and now owed the school thousands of dollars. I was forced into bankruptcy which has haunted my career ever since. In hindsight, I should not have assumed that University of Phoenix had my best interest. I lost a Silicon Valley house, a car, a marriage and more. It took over 12 years to struggle and pay off the loans with nothing to show for it. UoP continues to lock my school record.
They struck me as a scam when I looked at them over 15 years ago. the " counselor" showed me a video which was basically an infomercial and was kind of vague about the specifics of their courses. The kicker was even back then it seemed incredibly expensive for what you got in return.I knew a couple of people who got entry level tech jobs jobs after they graduated, working at Epson fixing printers. They made less than I did as a night kitchen manager in a bar.
I actually checked out ITT when checking out colleges and when they made me sit and watch their commercials I told them how ridiculous it was and left. it was a joke of a school.
Yea the DOE sent me an email telling me to apply for closed school forgiveness. I called my loan people and they're sending me the paperwork but i do feel like i wasted my time doing all that homework and going to class.
I know A LOT of people who went to ITT, graduated and have amazing jobs. Like everything else, you can say the same things about traditional universities. I know people with Bachelors and Masters in Mechanical Engineering from traditional universities who are working security because they cannot get employed. On the flip side my brother in law is a Mechanical Engineer for a huge company and is very successful.
I wonder how many school will actually accept transfer credits from ITT. I know in the past many of the community colleges and 4 year universities in my area wouldn't accept any credits from them at all.
I went to a for profit college named University of Phoenix. graduated last year with my bachelor's is software engineering and I've been unemployed for 10 MONTHS since my degree is useless. So I'm making a living programming competitively online cause no one is hiring me reason experience. Thanks alot UOP I'm just another statistic grad with no job or career like millions of others.
If anyone is greater LA area that went to ITT, I know Mt. SAC may be able to transfer some of your credits if you would like to continue your education.
Screwed? NO those students are FREED! I once talked to a guy who went to ITT, he said he was supposed to learn web development and they didn't teach him jack!
Why would anyone go to a school whose primary purpose is to make money for their stockholders? How could you possibly think that they have your career best interests in mind?
Isnt this basically happening with all colleges and universities? The only reason someone can afford to go to these place is if they can get a scholarship! School is big business and relies on high tech jobs in our country. Arent jobs moving overseas all the time for cheaper labor? Not just general labor either. That factory still employs lots of technical jobs to keep it opperating. That affects all universities not just this one.
If you live in California, then you SHOULD NOT enroll in these for-profit colleges. Why? Because community colleges in California allow for students to transfer to the UC's with the caveat of having a higher admissions chance. Given that community colleges are easier for the average student, one can take advantage of this system and avoid paying 2 years of tuition while receiving a degree from the top public universities in the country.
Anyone else happy about not seeing anymore ITT Tech commercials? I know i am.
im more glad I won't have to say "itt tech" anymore because I always confused the amount of t's 😂
+Adrian Beaumont The really confusing part is that it stands for Telephone and Telegram.
Save that edgy material for The Comedy Store
Yes. They make me sad
did they have ads on youtube?
word of advice don't go to schools that come out on commercials
Don't go to "college" in a strip mall.
That air commercials in noon when unemployed people are watching
The more they spend on advertising the less they spend on educating.
Don't go to an "online college"
How about no more for profit colleges?
real colleges don't need commercials.
Except they do have commercials. Do you not watch college football? During a game their will be a couple commercials for the the colleges playing, and a couple commercials for the conference each school is in.
nice college humor reference
That's a different commercial. You will only see that during the game being played between those 2 schools. You don't see that kind of commercial next to a snuggie commercial, or any time of day or night.
Never go to a for profit college.
i went to grand canyon university which is a great for profit university. and in the wac btw.
+dan t Is that school on the North or South Ridge? Would be amazing to study and look out at the Canyon every day. Visiting there at the Grand Canyon was the best ever!
Well... not all private colleges are included in that logic. But that's different I guess (and expensive...).
arn't they all supposed to make money?
No.
ITT was a joke long before this.
agree i can't believe it took this long to close it down
geostillo78 and that is just one person imagine all the other people they scam
TheEmanExperience Yeah dude it messed him up pretty bad to know he had struggled and got into so much debt for something that he couldnt use to advance in life like had been promised by ITT. Real fucked up. Like you said imagine all the OTHER people too. Sheesh.
geostillo78 would love to see a documentary about this
How does this happen in America?
i went to itt tech to study medical billing and now i do have to support myself by doing cam shows
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It's honest work, at least.
Community then state college ftw.
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best way to go
gonna be saving mad money while retards are up their ass with debt all cause they wanted to party for 2 years lol
Shaving off 2 years from high school at a participating community college program then state college ftw
alot of the community colleges are getting far better in programs. sometimes even better than the universities. still should finish in a higher degree in university tho
Need to shut down Devry too
Also, Harvard for letting students cheat. Stanford for giving rapey students a slap on the wrist. Princeton for employing that ass Paul Krugman for years.
Trump University has to be first to go
marudoethiopia Looks like the school expelled the rapist, but the judge in the case is facing a recall.
***** So what are you saying? The school came down on Turner as hard as they could have for an assault that happened off-campus- are you suggesting Stanford take him to their on-campus jail?
marudoethiopia According to the Daily Mail [shit source, I know] it happened on campus. They should have at least flogged him, like some sort of catholic atonemnet ritual. :-)
Those commercials were completely bullshitting you. There's no way an ITT grad is going to work at Lockheed or NASA unless he/she has some personal connections.
Lol Lockheed has been defunct for years you idiot.
Jane Lin en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Corporation
+Rogers Grafter well to be fair any fool can go work for lockheed..... They still need janitors, caterers and the likes, but Skunkworks, well yep your going to need connections or top qualifications from one of the better colleges/universities... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works
if anybody is really interested in the field, they should have already known into that.
This may come as a surprise to you but the world outside of NASA needs educated people too. There are plenty of great jobs for ITT grads.
The government is really doing them a favor. They will be eligible for debt forgiveness and will be able to start at a significantly cheaper community college or 4-year university with a clean slate and be able to earn a degree that actually has value.
YEAH RIGHT!if they can get debt forgiveness
while I think ITT was shady in the way they recruited students (preying on low income demographics) I have to give it some credit that was not entirely a scam, I graduated and in just a few months I found a job in my field and am now making quite a comfortable living. don't just assume you know the whole situation if you haven't actively been involved yourself or have gotten both sides of the story.
+Atom Gaming are you a a White male?
+Trump Willnotwin I don't understand what my race has anything to do with my comment. the other individual who got a job in his field was African American if that's what you were insinuating.
+Trump Willnotwin to clarify I was one of two in my graduating class that got jobs in our field of study. That's why I think ITT was a bad school and needed to be shut down because of its practice of promising things to low inco.e individuals that they could not keep. They actively lied when they said 90% of their students find jobs in their field.
When I got out of high school in '91, the ITT representatives were brutal in their methods when they came to my house, making it sound like you had to take their offer or not even be ABLE to go to ITT. Underhanded, deplorable, horrible techniques and I'm quite frankly surprised they weren't punished for this earlier.
These for profit schools are a joke. People should just go to real schools.
"People should just go to real schools" is not an option for most no matter how many times you say it. These for profit schools weren't the first choice for these students, they can't afford to go to a real school, and a lot of student who tried to get loans from a lot of places were turned down constantly, hence why they chose for profit schools. These students don't have access to any of opportunities that few have. A lot of people, like myself, can't even afford to go to a for profit school, and there are a thousand times more people in my position than there are those who manage to get into these for profit schools.
Unfortunately, many people just don't know the difference.
That is complete horseshit. These for profit colleges are basically trade schools. Some people don't want a degree, they want to learn a trade. You can't go to university to learn how to rebuild cars n shit.
I hear you, there are several private, for profit schools that follow the law and help people learn trades like WyoTech, Ohio technical college, etc. We're not talking about those schools. We're talking about For-profit colleges that fraudulently advertise as something that they aren't and lie about student outcomes. Those schools are giving legit private schools like WyoTech a bad name. If you are in support of trade schools you should be against the ITT Tech's and Trump Universitys of the world.
yeah better to end up with a buttload of debt and no job from a real school than ITT tech
I, as a CNST (Certified Network Systems Technician) certified in the 90's. I can tell you that this company has been Lying to students for over twenty years, There are little to No jobs in this field. It is a glutted field. The only jobs are Temp, or contract positions. Most of these jobs have been outsourced to other countries. ITT is lying to every student that the jobs are there, they are NOT.
WAS lying. They're gone now.
+3liony true
So does this mean they don't have to pay back the money they owed the school then?
Who knows. Ask a Lawyer, that's what I would do. Get on the band wagon for the Big class action suit against ITT that is bound to follow. Sue them directly and maybe get your money back?
Every college thought that IT was the next big thing in the 90's and early 2000's. That's not limited to ITT and it certainly wasn't a lie as far as anyone knew.
Itt tech, University of Phoenix and what not are all scams. Also whenever a University shows you job statistics for post grads it is showing jobs in general and not jobs found in that field so being a bagger at a grocery store will count as job placement by your school.
don't get butthurt over this lol
+TheEmanExperience why not? these schools are a huge investment & it's unfair if people are being mislead
Damn you are stupid as dirt, i piss on dirt
Fawkzzz it was a joke, idiot
people are retarded. go to community or state college. of course you gotta meet their basic requirements. also college isn't for everyone.
They were screwed before the school closed, but sure...
True story, B
they need to do this for the art institutes
what, why?
They purposefully manipulate placement stats to get people in, when I started I was told 94% of people in the fashion program were employed in their field. only later to find out that could mean anything from working as a cashier at Walmart to being a fashion designer. and their numbers are even fishier in graphic design because quite a few people work for contract. so if you get one contract they consider that employed in your field.
+Kassi Beeghly Yup that's how my AI school did it. One lil gig of Photo editing and that school will write it off as Employment and never call to help you ever again.
I was about to mildly go off on a rant about how the arts are important bla bla bla. But then I read down to your later comment. When choosing a school did you really only look at graduate employment stats? Don't you look at course content and see what best suits what you want to do? With anything, particularly the arts, I feel like it's more about, the skills you learn along the way, the work you produce that will get you future employment, not necessarily the school you go to. I could be wrong. I live in Australia and our education system is set up a bit differently. But I will agree that even here there are 'prestigious' universities and others that are at a perceived lower level.
Diploma mill? Do you even understand what that term means? Not everyone can drive a $150,000 car, wear a $12,000 suit, or own a house with 20 rooms. The world needs marketing managers at the large retail chains. That's not necessarily a bad job to most people.
If college education was socialized you wouldn't have to deal with this..
point
It'd also cost a ton to send inbred dumb shits to vacation for a few years. If you can't afford college you aren't working hard enough.
+Okkl So Uhhh the point is to make everyone smarter, not to give rich fucks a golden star and a place they can yank each others dicks.
Ej Jones If she is taking out loans, then she is a moron.
Dont get prego, dont have a child, dont waste money on drugs, get a minimum wage job, save, and then in 4 years youll have enough money to attend college, even if working at taco bell.
Had a friend who I practically begged not to go to a local for-profit college but he didn't listen, and even our *valedictorian* went there, shame.
what that's crazy?!
Your valedictorian went to a for profit school? dam dude how shitty was your high school. Sorry.
dj blÖsl Productions It was a private, for-profit.
watwud Scooby Doo The advisers were total shit, I went to my state's flagship because I did research and didn't rely on just our adviser's recommendations. She also was in the IB program...
woooowww even with IB!? RIP employment opportunities
Actually they were screwed before ITT Tech closed since the degree would have been worthless. Now they might have learned something and their loans will be forgiven.
Unless you're a vet that wasted a substantial portion of their gi bill (stipend for going to college after serving active duty in the US military) in ITT tech. In which case, you're shit out of luck in the mean time.
+Greyghostvol1 funny was when I got out of the navy. I was heavily contacted by itt and they tried to convince me to go there. I'm just lucky that I used my head and went back to the workforce.
lawlietb UTI and Lincoln tech were the ones that bothered the hell out of me. I'd get text messages and phone calls from both at a weekly basis for months after I got out. Difference being that these tech schools actually are somewhat decent. The VA was kind of cracking down on more questionable tech schools like ITT tech by the time I got out, so many of these vets that went to ITT before it closed were likely warned about going there and simply didn't follow the advice given. I'm still not willing to fully blame them though, those for-profit colleges can be rather pushy.
I did the "working" thing for a while when I got out in '14, but I live in NYC, so I couldn't pass up going back to school and racking in that sweet, sweet BAH rate for going to college here. Just need to get an apartment mate/SO/move back in with parents. I'm able to pay my half of the rent with more than enough left over, all for what amounts to very little undergraduate work. The problem is going to be whenever I get into graduate school, I'm going to be in for a rude awakening money wise.
Greyghostvol1 I understand that completely dude, I actually got out with little to no prep. I asked my command career counselor and he didn't know jack about my eligibility on staying in. So when I got out I had to either start school really soon or go back to work. I was lucky that I thought this stuff through and that a few companies could get me tech related job interviews. I now live in a city close to San Francisco and I work swing shift. I just hope that the VA helps the vets that got fucked over by this.
This, so much this, I get calls and mail from this schools even tho I am going to the second best school in my state, I think they get a list of vets somehow and just spam them until they go in.
I've always been really skeptical about these for profit schools. I know a lot of people defend these schools, but the fact is, these schools are not regionally accredited like your typical university or community college. As a result, in the eyes of employers at least, your degree is weighed less than that of traditional schools. And so my question is, because these schools are treated as 2nd class compared to traditional colleges, why do people still choose to go to these schools when they cost the same or sometimes more than traditional universities and colleges?
I always felt this school was a little sketchy. I was thinking about attending the school but had my reserves about it. The nail in the coffin was their outrageous tuition price.
Sounds alot like Trump University, lmfao!
Sperminator10000 With a name like Sperminator, nobody including myself is going to take you seriously.
Sperminator10000 With a name like Sperminator, nobody including myself is going to take you seriously.
At least ITT actually taught them useful skills...
I'm so glad I decided to go to community college instead of one of those phony schools that advertises everywhere.
I don't understand why people go to ITT instead of community college.
Because, they don't have the requirements to go there
Creative Logics There generally are no requirements hey wait a minute
It's more expensive, so it must be better *cough*. Stupid people be stupid.
People go there because most for profit schools start you in the classes you want to learn about on day one. I know a lot of ITT IT graduates in the computer industry who got jobs right out of school. You don't spend 2 years taking a bunch of prerequisite courses before you even step foot in a class about your major. The problem with these schools now is they cost way too much money and a lot of them started teaching in fields they didn't have expertise in to produce quality graduates.
Because college makes you take idiotic unrelated courses
As a graduate from ITT I have to say I got really lucky and was able to get a well paying job just a couple of months after I graduated. Now I also see that my situation and the scenarios you'd see in their commercials are a one in a hundred chance as only two of my graduating class have been employed in our field of study. ITT is a sham and while I'll be able to pay my loans off fairly quickly, for the 20 other students that still haven't found jobs are pretty much indebted for the rest of their lives with nothing to show for it. I'm glad the government intervened and shut down this school once and for all. Thanks for covering this Turks, you guys are doing the real news!
We had students from ITT come in as part of an initiative to hire upcoming graduates into our engineering department. Only 1 of the 10 students had the basic knowledge needed to competently operate the design software that ITT uses in its own classroom! We gave them a basic step-by-step exercise to see how well they could follow drafting standards. Even then, this one exceptional student did not know the software's basic commands, only how to click on certain icons and create basic geometry.
I shouldn't be surprised since 14 years earlier I had thought about going to ITT and was allowed to sit in on a drafting class where the instructor couldn't navigate AutoCAD's simpler menus. This is something we learned junior year in high school! The recruiter tried to persuade me to sign up and get student loans, even after I told him how outdated their teaching material and instructors were. It was just all about money, like every other for-profit institution.
the whole for-profit education thing is awful.
should've went to real school
And what would that be?
And who's gonna pay for that?
+Shartaur what he meant was, he would have gotten the same education the legitimate way in a community college. Cheaper and better education then ITT
I was responding to Shining Star. I pressed reply youtube.
+Shartaur Who's UA-cam?
DeVry U screwed me. I hope they get shut down
They're next
Trump Willnotwin I hope so. If only you knew what the bind they have me in
Jake Andrews I'm 24000 in debt. I'm sitting in class one day and I get an email from them saying we are working on getting your degree program accredited. I didn't do anything after that. I was so pissed off.. And now to get my transcript I still owe them 1500 somehow. I'm definitely not paying that.
Jake Andrews I guess we wait out this class action law suit. Hope it goes our way... I haven't gotten to the point where debt collectors are all over me
+Xavier Robinson there's a class action against DeVry? For what?
"A for profit college" that's basically every college in North America
Any school where the credit can't transfer is a shit school. I feel bad for those that got screwed by these for profit schools.
Funny thing is ITT wasn't even accredited! It said on the fine print on the tv commercials "credits are unlikely to transfer" that right there is a huge red flag!
I have been an adjunct professor at ITT Maumee for eight years. Thanks to Affirmative Action and H1B visa abuse in the U.S., despite having a Master Degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering, I have not found a job in Engineering in more than 14 years. I have been for a decade doing the work of a Electrical Tech for the pay of an Electrical Tech. And I would like to note that the company I work for has hired students of mine, and been happy with that they learned from me. And I have heard statements like that from other employers of ITT students from my program.
Without this supplemental income I do not know how I am going to pay my bills this month. Since everyone is so worried about the students, what about the Instructors, regardless of weather or not you believe the DOE analysis of the problems at ITT Tech, the Instructors are not to blame, but we are the one that are going to lose. OR is UT going to be offering us jobs that start on the coming Monday, which ITT next quarter would have started?
I also want to add that much of what ITT is accused of I experienced in my five years at University of Toledo, and worst, there were promises made and thing I paid for that were never acted on. I had to transfer to another school, were I graduated very near the top of my class. Why is the DOL not trying to shutdown UT?
calm down just, because they spent a few pennies of what they made employing some people it doesn't mean we shouldn't close them down. It's the same stupid reasoning like the military buying airplane and tanks to employ some people but the majority of money go to owners. Where not going to spend a shit load of money for you to still be employed stfu and start looking for new employment
privet companies screwing eveyone over for profit. what's new? your a victim of the corperat system not of the govenrments actions.
Wow you're a real loser.
"Booohoooo! I decided to work for a private for-profit university and now I fell straight on my face because shitty educational institutions that are subordinate to market forces tend to rip people off, which the government then might take action against."
I attended the University of Toledo for five years. During that time I never actually was able to get help from a professor. Once then I when to office hours I was told "I am tenured, I don't have to help students any more", that cost me FOUR YEARS OF MY LIFE!!! There placement service DID LESS THEN NOTHING, they did not send my resume on jobs, but did send foreign student's. And then there is UT's culpability in the Xun Lite debacle. As well as there H1B visa abuse issues. Hence why Is say, UT were American tax dollar come first, but Americans always come last.
Most technical collages across the country do the same thing and have been doing it since the '80s. I'm wondering what took the education department so long to figure this out. The technical college I attended happen to base their tuition on the exact amount that you can get by getting the maximum amount on a student load and maximum Pell grant. Convenient!
I always wonder why Americans always complained about crippling student loan debt. I did some research and Americans are getting screwed with health care and education costs. I'm not saying I have answers but the U.S seems very business based with private prisons and very low tax for income above 250,000$. I live in Canada and I believe income over 250,000$ is taxed at 45% here.
They were attending ITT Tech. They were already screwed by bad life choices.
I was so close to going to this school signed up for the financial aid and everything but decided not to go at last minute. I will go to a community college instead when I'm fully prepared.
My friend's dad was an instructor for ITT tech. He told me and my friends that the school was a scam and even told his own kids to not attend ITT tech. Well that spoke volumes about that school. I think ECPI, Devry, and Phoenix are probably next on the list to be shut down.
Because people at state schools always get a job after college and never take out loans...
Sarcasm is a wonderful thing. LOL
People who get a real degree and don't drop out typically do.
But you're right...states tend to lie about "what jobs you can get" with a liberal arts degree. (if it's not "nothing" then it's wrong!)
Forget liberal arts, I can't even get a job with a networking degree. I've been tweaking computers and programming since before I knew multiplication, but even with a degree I had to get a barely above minimum wage job as a mechanic to survive. My hobby turned into my job and my "career" turned into my hobby. Forget about ANY college, teach yourself and you'll probably learn more and spend less.
+Propane TreeFiddy unless you go to graduate school most science degrees are also worthless. Nobody wants a scientist with just a bachelors
+That1Guy People who are going after those science degrees usually know that grad school is necessary, so its not that big of a problem.
Basically, if a college advertises on daytime TV, stay away from that place. ;)
smart people go to community college first and get the associates degree for cheap, get a job with that and then transfer their credits to a big university.
I hated their commercials they interrupted me while watching Jerry or maury. 😮
Does anyone think the Art institute schools be next???
I'm waiting
Understand that if your student loan debt is forgiven by the Federal gov't, you have to pay taxes on the amount that's forgiven. They treat debt forgiveness like income.
I went to two for profit colleges. Both ended up shutting down. At one I went to "paralegal" school. I ended up becoming a legal file clerk.
I wanna give you guys credit for the smart puns you include in the background
One of my siblings got screwed over by going to a trade school. The school got shut down by the board of education and she was given a refund just like in this story, the thing is she had to wait 3 years for it to fully process. Her credit suffered because of it.
People please do some research before attending one of these schools.
Close the doors because grad have too much debt and can't get a job with diploma?? With that standard what college would remain open...?
I remember their commercials. I'd be very interested to see interviews of the people featured in the ads, how and if they actually got their jobs, whether they're still in debt to the school, etc.
All my time invested in VCR repair has gone to nothing. Thanks Obama.
I went to Westwood College, which shut down in March. They were also a for-profit school. Thousands of students across several status and dozens of campuses were left high and dry. Over 500 students at my campus alone... I was supposed to graduate next month. Now I have to restart my BS.
I should mention that they didn't shut down because of policies passed down by DOE - they shut down because they "weren't making ENOUGH" money.
As if "not for profit" colleges don't profit, they do in many ways.
These guys just redefine "for profit", the definition is squeeze and burn the students, while not for profits, profit, with no "squeeze and burn the students".
They make a killing on kickbacks from publishers. The public school are the worst at it. Multi Million$!!
Yeah, the education is much better at Yale. The main difference between Ivy League colleges and the rest is the high standard and the resources. For example, I went to a public university and studied electrical engineering. Sometimes we'd have professors who gave hard tests, and some gave easy tests. That's to be expected. Then one day, we got a new professor who taught briefly at Stanford, and was a graduate of MIT himself. He was a bit of a minor celebrity in the field of DSP. Anyways, this was the hardest professor I have ever taken in my entire life. Out of our class of 80 people, the highest grade on our first test was 9%. Yes, you read that right, the HIGHEST grade was only 9%. We had people in our class that were used to getting 100% on everything, and yet they could only manage to scrape together a 9%. Our professor told us that the class average would be curved but let us know that if we were his students at Stanford, we'd all be failing. The bar is set higher at these institutions. And as a result, they produce much better students. There's a reason why Nobel laureates tend to come from Ivy Leagues instead of public universities. And there's also the resources. Our lab equipment was 30+ years old. At Yale, I'm quite positive they have state-of-the-art equipment.
***** Yeah the lectures and textbooks are basically the same, that's because they must meet the ABET standard (at least for engineering). The difference is how hard you make the tests. For example, one professor might give us a test with a complicated transistor circuit and have us find all the gain, current and voltage values. But what this professor would do was give us a set of parameters and have us design a circuit to meet those parameters. When you only have an hour and 15 mins on an exam, it's basically impossible to design a transistor circuit as complicated as a 741 op amp.
Sadly I too went to ITT when I was 18 but I didn't want any refunds so I only took out enough to pay for class. I am an over educated Bank Teller ( I love my job).
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I hate ITT. I went there back in the 90s and took out loans to go there. I was worried when a teacher was having problems figuring out how to do a math problem and asked me to show him how I solved it. I tried to just shrug it off that he just needed a refresher on it, even if it was simple. Then we were taught to solve problems a certain way in his class but then when we did the same work in another class, we got it all wrong. But if we did it the way the teacher in the second class taught us, we would get it wrong in the 1st class. The 2 teachers couldn't decide which was right. Their solution... just do it one way in one class and the other way in the other class. Clearly one way was wrong, if not both. I wasn't going to stand for such faulty teaching and I quit. Also refused to pay the loans but then they eventually started to garnish my income tax checks. I haven't seen a refund in years and them taking all that money has hurt me. I still owe thousands of dollars, have bad credit because of it and I am struggling. Every day I am wondering if this will be the day I have to live on the street.
Lmao I'm glad I never took this shit serious. I went there once just to here to bs in person and they've been calling my phone for the past year.
same
dude they went to my hs a few years ago and they were tryna recruit me so hard
Danny F I had called the cops on them because the kept coming to my house, when they arrived I called the cops and waited for them to arrive and block them in , they lifted both handcuffed because I warned them many time
They even enrolled me in classes. Lol I didn't even pay them a dime. I blocked every number they called me from but they wouldn't give up.
I did the same with Le Cordon Bleu. Fuckin bullshit.
I was young and dumb.... went to ITT Tech and after 2 years I'd have my associate's degree and a hefty debt of $90,000. I dropped out after the first year after a former student told me their degree was useless. No company would hire them even though they told us they had a great "job placement" program.
Charter Schools should be next.
Now I can watch Jerry Springer in peace.
Education is not the key of success in life. Look at Bill Gates, the Kardashians, el Chapo Guzman or Donald Trump all examples the higher education wasn't needed to succeed. .
You think trump got rich by being an idiot his forefathers started the success and I doubt he even knows how to do his own taxes he pays people who specialize in that
lol, el Chapo
Opportunity is the key to success.
After undergrad Trump went to one of the best business schools in the country Wharton. The rest are exceptions to the rule. For the VAST majority of successful people, education WAS the key to their success.
And what about those of us not born into millions of dollars or lucky enough to invent a world changing OS?
I went to ITT last year and found out they weren't planning to teach. " if you need help, google it or UA-cam it" I was told. Now I'm stuck with a 6k debt. where is my help?
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Up here in Canada there is a way to figure out which colleges are accredited, approved by the ministry of education. There is a Ministry of Education website that shows all the "real" colleges in the province. These are the colleges that give genuine degree or certificate based learning. You will have a real education if you go there. Several colleges are linked up to industry, with actual professional people coming in to teach with the regular instructors.
Using the website you can explore what your local colleges offer, their requirements, and what degree programs are available. You can link in to the financial departments to discuss costs, loans, grants....You can link up to admin departments to see if you can go in for a chat and a tour.
They still want your money. But they also want to give you a decent education.
I went to ITT years ago and my degree was worth less than the paper it was printed on.
I almost got sucker into signing up (not ITT) once, I liked the school and all. I asked about the GIBill (Im a veteran) and course she says yes, they accept the GIBill, then she bring up student loans, and I was like, why would I take out a student loan when I have my GIBill, which covers everything, then she told me how much it will cost, that means it will wipe out my entire GIBill, and I will have to take out an student loan anyway. So I told the lady No Thanks.
I once requested some information from these people or another similar "college" thinking I'd get a pack in the mail loaded with info. Instead, I was called by one of their high-pressure salesmen 30 minutes after filling out my contact info on their site. The guy started asking all my personal information; social security # and such and I asked him why he needed that. He was already filling out my student loan application! I told him I just wanted some information about the school and didn't intend to enroll anytime soon. He got a little snarky after that and I told him to just shove it. Then I went to my local community college and enrolled in some classes.
Happened to a friend of mine but he had no alternatives. He wanted to go to school on the first day, but noone was there. They just took the money from all the students and bailed. Happened in Portugal though.
The students were screwed as soon as they enrolled. I have three friends that went to ITT Tech, and they have jobs, but it's no thanks to ITT Tech. I checked out ITT myself, but my dad pointed out that I could do four years at a public university for much less money, so I did that, and I'm very glad I did.
I used to work for a For - Profit school and I know that they frequently over-charge... even raising tuition while lowering quality.
That being stated, don't kid yourselves into thinking that more "legitimate" colleges are flawless simply because they are not-for-profit. They often waste plenty of money and also put graduates into excessive debt.
I've heard lots of employers say that they will not accept an ITTT degree. Especially in the compsci/infosec fields.
"Don't let school get in the way of your education" -Mark Twain
We are all born ignorant but you have to work really hard to remain stupid.
I worked for ITT Tech. Most reputable colleges won’t even take ITT Tech’s credits!
I'm glad I'm keeping it real going to a community college. I really like it! But don't go to a for-profit anything guys!
This is a huge problem with most private institutions, especially art schools.
The Same thing happened to Heald College which I attended. I had just a few more months left before I would have graduated. and then they shut down.
I think they need to look into CRAS in Tempe, AZ for this same reason. Their job placement statistics are totally rigged. After my internship I was asked if I was hired by the studio. Being a small town studio that I went to, employess were not needed, but instead we made a deal where I could bring in bands and run the studio myself and the owner and I would split the profits. 50% for the owner and 50% or me as the engineer. So I replied that no, I was not hired and explained the system we had arranged. My advisor said "Ok I'll put you down as hired, thank you" and hung up on me. But I never brought a band in to that studio. I never made a cent off that studio. Quite the opposite. I drove their almost 2 hours round trip every day to complete my internship. I soon after went to school again for a different career where I spend most of my time now, while trying to fund my own studio, I was almost there once, then life happened, and I'm almost there again.
Of the 12 people in my class that I became close to over the course of our education I am the only one that maintains any kind of work in the audio engineering/production fields, and for me currently, it's not full time either. While the education is decent there, I still feel it's shady because of their placement statistics. Now we all have huge student debt we can't pay because of essentially a promise to get us great jobs in a dying field that is overly saturated already.
Thanks, CRAS.
A lot of those credits from ITT Tech won't transfer to other schools, unless they are making exceptions. I wonder what will happen to those that want to continue their education, but have useless credits.
I had a horrible experience with University of Phoenix. They had me sign papers to request student loans. After a year plus and only a few weeks from graduating. I got pulled from class. Seems I didn't have the full funding and now owed the school thousands of dollars. I was forced into bankruptcy which has haunted my career ever since.
In hindsight, I should not have assumed that University of Phoenix had my best interest. I lost a Silicon Valley house, a car, a marriage and more. It took over 12 years to struggle and pay off the loans with nothing to show for it. UoP continues to lock my school record.
Why did you choose that place over community college?
They struck me as a scam when I looked at them over 15 years ago. the " counselor" showed me a video which was basically an infomercial and was kind of vague about the specifics of their courses. The kicker was even back then it seemed incredibly expensive for what you got in return.I knew a couple of people who got entry level tech jobs jobs after they graduated, working at Epson fixing printers. They made less than I did as a night kitchen manager in a bar.
I actually checked out ITT when checking out colleges and when they made me sit and watch their commercials I told them how ridiculous it was and left. it was a joke of a school.
Yea the DOE sent me an email telling me to apply for closed school forgiveness. I called my loan people and they're sending me the paperwork but i do feel like i wasted my time doing all that homework and going to class.
I know A LOT of people who went to ITT, graduated and have amazing jobs. Like everything else, you can say the same things about traditional universities. I know people with Bachelors and Masters in Mechanical Engineering from traditional universities who are working security because they cannot get employed. On the flip side my brother in law is a Mechanical Engineer for a huge company and is very successful.
I wonder how many school will actually accept transfer credits from ITT. I know in the past many of the community colleges and 4 year universities in my area wouldn't accept any credits from them at all.
Why were they allowed to operate for 47 years without nobody saying anything?
So what about people who paid out of pocket?? Are they getting a refund??
I went to a for profit college named University of Phoenix.
graduated last year with my bachelor's is software engineering and I've been unemployed for 10 MONTHS since my degree is useless.
So I'm making a living programming competitively online cause no one is hiring me reason experience.
Thanks alot UOP I'm just another statistic grad with no job or career like millions of others.
If anyone is greater LA area that went to ITT, I know Mt. SAC may be able to transfer some of your credits if you would like to continue your education.
Screwed? NO those students are FREED! I once talked to a guy who went to ITT, he said he was supposed to learn web development and they didn't teach him jack!
This sounds like accredited institutions like state colleges. We should do that at all colleges. See how fast college tuition drops.
Why would anyone go to a school whose primary purpose is to make money for their stockholders?
How could you possibly think that they have your career best interests in mind?
How about the government taking ITT to court and sue for the loan money back?
"ITT Tech. Education For The Future." I'll miss that ad on TV
Isnt this basically happening with all colleges and universities? The only reason someone can afford to go to these place is if they can get a scholarship! School is big business and relies on high tech jobs in our country. Arent jobs moving overseas all the time for cheaper labor? Not just general labor either. That factory still employs lots of technical jobs to keep it opperating. That affects all universities not just this one.
My friend was a teacher there here in LA. This was fkd up. End the DOE. Gary Johnson 2016!
And support a guy who supports TPP? Yeah, no.
Not to mention he doesn't support internet freedom. Gary Johnson is only libertarian in so far as his interests are concerned.
Sucks for the teachers too. My friend was teaching at the local location at where we live.
The Art Institute should be NEXT! Aggressive recruiting, misleading employment info, and way overpriced.
That's exactly what happened at my university. Butters you up, so you open your wallet.
If you live in California, then you SHOULD NOT enroll in these for-profit colleges. Why? Because community colleges in California allow for students to transfer to the UC's with the caveat of having a higher admissions chance. Given that community colleges are easier for the average student, one can take advantage of this system and avoid paying 2 years of tuition while receiving a degree from the top public universities in the country.
they need to do this to the university of Phoenix and forgive all debt from the school also.