They do make a 12" now. I use to get strokers 12s for 250 15s for 300 and 18s 350 at wholesale even back in the late 90s early 2000s the mark up was insane 700-800 for a 12 800-900 on 15 and 900-1000 for 18. I loved them but no way in hell am I dropping $1500+ on a sub
If you showed up to a comp back in the day with the Strokers you were feared! Awesome drivers. I have a original special edition 15D2 still in the Box on the Shelf in my garage.
Great point. Car audio has a ton of the following: brand-biased enthusiasts; misinformation; overinflated specs; marketing hype; overpriced mediocre products; inaccurate info being passed from one person (who doesn't know what they're talking about), to another person.
Cerwin Vega 12 inch sub I got my car in a customized ported box a friend of mine built, I put a CT Sounds 1000 watt amp on it, it pounds the shit out of that sub, it sounds like I got two or three subs in my car when in reality I only have one.
I loved the old school strokers but I feel like the new ones are just a novelty item because of the sky high price. You can get Much better performing subs for way less. I would buy some if they were much cheaper or if there specs were better.
You make a very composed and well thought out argument. Keep making videos like this. I was hoping to find a video explaining the design of the woofer but I was happy to hear you out.
SowtimeSPL has an excellent video on the original Stroker. He has one torn apart and explains why it was designed that way. His videos are really good and I think it's one of his best.
My cousin who stayed with me in high school had three of the Sherwin Vega clear top strokers in the back of his Ford ranger extended cab on 3900 w pioneer amps his shit Banger
I didn't know the strokers were that sensitive... wow. It was the first sub i saw with dual spider which was cool. Back in the days at a comp a dude had 1 18" on a wall behind the seats, sounded like distorted even at low volume. Could've been just his ride
You did miss an important note about these speakers. They have the ability to adjust voice coil bias. Allowing for greater spl or for sound clarity. This obviously should only be adjusted by a qualified person. No other speaker on the market has the ability to do that without recone and suspension.
Hey... what do these subs compare to with what's out on the market today... I have a couple that need reconing or I sell. Thanks. Answer I got sell them. Based upon a PA design.
Dual spiders right? What about tinsel leads? Just 1 strand or several sewn into cone? Anything in the design to make it handle more power than it's rated. Sundown and other high end competition subs boast certain features that let their speakers handle extremely high wattage. Not sure(besides their high efficiency) that they could compete with todays companies.
These subs were great man I owned a couple of 18's and I played around with all 3 sizes and they were really musical ...sadly cerwin vega mobile is no longer what it used to be once they were bought out by Stanton then owned by the same company that owned diamond audio which also went down the pan after their D9 series subs shame man and now the latest victim is jbl mobile now owned by samsung how crap is that oh well dd audio,EMF AUDIO,sundown, morel you get the drift...
One thing that I took notice of immediately with the newer design stroker is how you’re really similar it is to the Savard high Q 12 inch. If you look at them in a profile manner they’re essentially the exact same speaker. I own the Savard Pro 12 which uses the same basket as one of the models of Orion. But that being said speaker designs are basically cut and paste from a different manufacturer is nowadays. But I have not seen any other speaker that looks so similar to the new Strokers as the Savard hi-q 12”. The Savard hIQ is actually a bit pricier but at least you know with Savard it was built in the US.
I've heard of several people using them for a home theater application. I am seriously considering using this twelve for that purpose. They are so accurate I can imagine they would perform very well in a home theater set up.
I have 2 18's that were made for the movie earthquake back in the 70s and they are still kickin :) and I just picked up 2 12's today that were made for the car from the 90's never used still in the original boxes sealed up in plastic. They will all being set up in my new theater once its built, but for now I will be building the enclosures soon.
Thanks buddy. I found a good video with a walk around of a new Stroker. It's made in China but is vented through the pole and drilled to the coil gap for cooling. It does have the ability to adjust the front spider to tune to different frequencies like the original. The fact that the added cooling of the coil adds no additional thermal power handling makes me question the quality of that coil. The finish on the machined parts is top notch on the original and so-so on the new. I will say that machined finish isn't what it used to be so it's par for the course in today's manufacturing. I think performance wise you could expect similar numbers. Durability may or may not be in question. Either way I would go with the known quality and longevity of the original and be patient and find a pair of originals saving a couple grand in the process. Thanks for the feedback.
Dude! My old 15 Stroker was the shit. I had a 1600 class D Kicker amp runnin' it, but I knew it could handle more power. I ended up trading the amp and sub for a hot rodded 67 Beetle.
@@brentb5303 I don't see this sub on Amazon. CV is my favorite speaker and I may buy a ST104D Stroker. It's selling for $305 and it can handle 800 watts continuous. Do you know what dimensions the cabinet should be?
@@mabalot5150 21x12x13.86 ported. The port should run the 13.86 depth and make a right angle turn and run an additional 4.75 inches. That's the specs for 1 sub per Cerwin Vega
@@Mr_Sh1tcoin ua-cam.com/video/VN_qgJkum20/v-deo.html it doesnt matter if it has a 90db rating it depends on a whole shit ton more factors then just rating
This was a very informative video i really like the fact you bring top points to it. Me personally i would agree with you that the new versions are not that much better definitely believe the quality of the 1st gen made in USA would have a much higher reliability rate. Honestly the going rate for the new versions i feel it just isn't worth it too truly find out what i believe to know already great video!!
doesn't the construction of the cone diameter and construction of the voice coil and construction of the basket also play a part I'm asking not informing because I don't know but notice these things mentioned when researching speakers to purchase?
I would guess that your asking if the materials used and how they were assembled play a role? Yes, would be my answer if I'm interpreting construction the correct way. I wasn't sure if you were referring to it in that way or in reference to the mechanical engineering as construction or maybe both. Either way I'm glad you brought this up. I spent 16 years working in machine shops and have done it all from shipping and receiving, setting up and editing programs on CNC machinery, and working with mechanical and manufacturing engineers. Over the span of my career (which I walked away from because living in a dirty shop for 60 hours a week will wear on you unless that's your jam), I have witnessed many changes to the manufacturing process with some being in a positive direction and some going in a negative direction. In my opinion globalization has impacted consumer products in two major ways: There is a race to the bottom in materials used and finished part quality. There has been mind blowing advancements in efficiency and automation. Those two are not mutually exclusive. From the mid 90's(When the original was produced) to today (the current model) manufacturing is completely different in almost all aspects when it comes to consumer goods manufacturing in most cases. The glut of cheep Chinese goods, which the American public has voted for with their wallets, have changed the expectations of consumers of what they should expect from a product. A fancy 4 color printed box with dubious claims of specks and a ton of marketing wank is to be expected. A manual that barely explains the product you just purchased and repeats the same crap on the outside of the box. The products themselves place an emphasis on form over function i.e. led lights, plastic and cheap metals used to make the product look beefier or more advanced than it actually is. Fit and finish of products is tricky because technology has improved fit due to tighter tolerances being achievable but in my experience finish suffers when you mass produce machined parts in rapid succession. All this being said materials used and what adhesives you used to assemble them, the way in which the the voice coil dissipates heat and how it maintains linearity within the coil gap. The tightness of the coil gap. The amount of magnetic force exerted on the voice coil. The thickness of the top plate. The pole piece. The shape and rigidity of the cone. The compliance of the surround and spider will all play a role. I have NOT in person seen a new Stroker. Judging by the pictures they did their best to make the new one look and function like the original but the top spider doesn't appear to be adjustable like the original but I could be wrong. The cast basket looks beefy on both as does the magnets. The original just looks better in my opinion but to each his own. If I had the choice between a pair of new in box originals or the new ones I would take the originals but that is just me.
I just found a video of a walk around of the new Stroker. It is adjustable on the front. It was engineered and designed by at least one of the engineer's of the original. The pole is vented as the original was not and the coil gap was also vented as the old was not. It's kind of inconsequential because they both have the same power handling so thermal dissipation is a moot point. Basically they are trying to recreate the original which is an admirable goal.
@@brentb5303 I'm really not trying to compare the two just trying to learn what makes a speaker better than another so I get the most out of my investment which is really just throwing money away LOL.
I would say one of the nicest midbass drivers ever produced but sub-bass not so much. They can sound and perform bad-ass above 30hz but four below 30hz, others subwoofer brands are more capable due to design. But who am I to say because usually it’s all in the enclosure.
while i see you point and do agree to some degree, a team sundown is not a cerwin vega stroker. its the old school look and feel to the stroker that gives it it's appeal and like people say it's a legendary sub possibly the most iconic subwoofer ever! it's the JBL L100's of subwoofers and that is the reason you want these, the team sundown will outperform it? probably, a lot of things most likely would but those subs wont bring a smile to someone's face without being played like the stroker would
There’s a couple different designs of Stroker that came after this one. I still LOVE the original though!! Mine have the typical brownish ...did you color that one black??
It was re-coned and they used a black spider. Don't sell the ones you have. They are hard to come by and I think they will only go up in price. I think they look ok in black but I like the original look. This one was really cheep. I couldn't pass it up.
That would be amazing. From what I've read the only complaint on the K horns is the bottom end. I would have to imagine a stroker would solve that issue. Plus the strokers are some of the only subs efficient enough to match the loaded horns
2001 Monolithic I have a infinite baffle set up in my basement for my subwoofer, so I have plenty of low end. I have always wanted to build a set of K-Horns since I was a teenager, even if they don't sound good and I don't listen to them I would just like to have the cabinets in the corners of the living room. On Amazon have you seen the price of 1 new K-Horn? To say it's expensive for what it is is a understatement.
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They’ve been making the Stroker subwoofer since the late 70’s... They’ve been slightly tweaking and improving on it ever since. I honestly don’t know where the “new” stroker would live in the line.
They have always been too rich for my blood. I have read that the stroker pro with the clear dust cap is the business. They started to slap the stroker name on all their high end subs and at one time had three different strokers they were selling at the same time but they were all completely different from one another. I can't say for shure because I haven't hear the new ones but after seeing one and looking at its specs I feel they were just trying to duplicate the original.
HifiVega they've been making the stroker since 1979 and it was made for a movie called earthquake but they didn't make it for car audio until the early 90s
@@15secofFame I missed this comment but it would be really interesting and informative if you did a video series on using those subs. I would definitely do what I could to plug such a series.
@@brentb5303 Hey mono yeah man, but I haven't made a video in a while and it was with the free windows version lol. but let me see what I can do with a video editor. I also scored a pair of New Old Stock 12" strokers from the 90's still in the plastic ....well one is now lol. I just had to hook one up, but only gave it about 50 watts :)
Those things were crazy. I've actually read a lot about them but have no personal experience with them. I haven't ever heard anything bad about them. Not even once.
@@etriganseven6042 I really want to hear them all. Unfortunately we are talking about some of the most expensive and cost prohibitive drivers ever made. If I can get my hands on one of each that will be a happy day. I figure with some patients I might get the opportunity.
so strokers are. or they use to be incredibly efficient. the point was more bass on less power. thats what made them scary at competitions. modern woofers are horrible. everything has too much mass speakers to heavy to get out of there own way. efficiency just isn't understood anymore. everyone wants power handling super heavy coils. no one has ever heard of a speaker horn. no clue how much energy getting wasted on those big heavy woofers. but we didn't have amplifiers that could literally dump 15kw into a sub back in the day. as amplifiers improved things like compression drivers and supper efficient speakers have gone away. I wonder if the popularity of vacuum tube amplifiers might be the reasoning behind a new stroker
I'm pretty sure the new strokers are 24mm xmax one way. Making it 48mm peak to peak. The old ones have only 11.5mm xmax one way, except the 18". It has 19mm xmax one way. So in that regard, only rhe 18" older stroker would come somewhat close to the new ones when comparing excursion.
I'll look more into that but xmax is almost always listed in spec sheets as one way especially back in the day. Even more so from the original cerwin vega. Also there are videos here on youtube of both the old and new strokers. They share one almost exact feature. The dope coated fabric surround. I will take a closer look and get back to you but that was a major limiting factor of overall throw mechanically. I have the name of the manufacturer of those surrounds. I'll have to get ahold of them and see if they made both. You could be right though. Id be more than happy to make a correction video if that turns out to be the case. The fact they are so similar in every other statistic It would be one embarrassing video because I would have to re-examine everything I understand about transducers.
Ok so far what I can confirm is that you are correct about it being peak to peak in the old manual and says as much because it's very transparent. The new Cerwin Vega which is, produced cheaply overseas, unlike the original company, which is indisputable. That is home and car audio, across their entire product line. The new Stroker classic pro is probably made just fine but on the cheap. Make no mistake about it. Their manual list x-max as peak to peak as well as for every Stroker made overseas thus far but I can find no manual online for the newest one. So the previous three and if you count the original four manuals list the stat as peak to peak but only the original list it as peak to peak and also list next to that x-max one way. Is this new statistic?I have only found listed on sonic electronics sales pageI'll keep digging I'm going to get to the bottom of this for you guys. Is there even a manual for it? The Cerwin Vega web site doesn't even have statics for the new sub. I had to get the one's for this video from sonic electronics sales web page. I'll keep digging for you though.
@@johnvancamp1576 that's it's max value. The amount of charging system one would need in the 90's to feed 3600 watts rms would rival the engine in size and weight. As for the new gen / reduce / gen 1.2 , 3600 watts sounds about right and you can stack five boss amps to get that now a days. 😂🤣
Having seen performance specs of these stroker CVs, they do not keep up with modern, much-less-expensive subs. They aren't worthwhile unless you are a retro geek that wants to relive the past and are willing to pay more for inferior gear.
I appreciate your long response and dedication to Cerwin Vega and old-school car audio. I too have long been a fan of car (and home) audio...having worked for MTX/xTant making amplifiers and speakers...and also selling all manners of home and car audio equipment. It is your money. Spend it how you see fit. If you like it, great!
MTX and Xtant were made under the same roof, in Phoenix Arizona...by the same people....one of which was me. Rockford Fosgate made their gear about 1.5 miles away from the MTX plant. Orion made their gear about 1.5 miles away from the MTX Plant. JL Audio is about 1.5 miles from where MTX is. Everything has changed though, and most stuff is now made in China or S Korea. I don't like the idea of buying foreign made audio gear...but they do make some outstanding gear at prices that are hard to ignore. These CV strokers do not compete with some of these Asian-made subs that cost a fraction of the CVs. CV would have been much smarter to design and make something to compete with the other modern gear rather than dredge up the archaic stroker stuff. The strokers had their time, but the competition caught up to and then exceeded them. I compare this to the 'hipsters' that dump thousands into turntables to play LPs just to get the sound of LPs which are far from high quality and are quite noisy. They pay lots of cash to have lower quality sound but have the retro value. ...and that is all OK. If you enjoy the end result, it is money well-spent. I just think one can do better with the same amount of money or less. Right now, I have 2 SoundQubed amps powering 8 mids/tweets + 2 12" Rockville subs. (Yes, Rockville subs...75$ a piece... but they farkin whoop serious ass for how little money I spent on them....though I am considering replacing them with SoundQubed subs should they fail.)
I am not at all pleased that almost all of these companies offshored their shit. Almost every maker of almost everything offshored their shit and it resulted in an inferior USA. Probably 98% of car audio gear is made in Asia now...and if you want to bump, you have to buy Asian made stuff. If you want your ride to be bumping, you have to buy Asian stuff...and it turns out that we can find terrific value. I don't find fault in being excited about car audio gear, even if it is made in another nation...especially because almost all of it is made there. Should I let politics and capitalism deprive me of an appreciation of a car that bumps? I really do hope that we can bring more of that audio gear back to the US...but it is what it is and I will be bumping in my car anyway. All these companies we once loved sold us and the US out... If they sold us out, how much should we value them now? I chose not to buy new RF for that reason.... I chose not to buy new MTX for that reason... I chose not to buy Orion for that reason... Here is another interesting thing to think about.... Trump and the haters that hate him. I am assuming you might bump rap in your whip...because bump it does and it sounds fucking badass to be bumping! Trump has been the only force at work trying to bring US manufacturing back to the US and is succeeding at it...and most of the rappers hate him for it. It amuses me....these fucking rappers rap all day long about how much they like making money and pimping bitches and selling drugs to beats that bump like mad in our subwoofer-equipped whips...and they hate the fucking guy who most represents capitalism and pimping... These rappers want this gear made in China and Korea, because the demand to make the stuff here is 'racist'.... So, what do we do? We just do the best we can with what we have and bump our whips the best way we know how...even if it must be Asian made gear for now. I am hoping Trump, or some other force, can bring US manufacturing back to the US....but the car audio gear isnt there yet.
@@brentb5303 The school I went to was MTX manufacturing making Thunder, Blue Thunder and xtant amplifiers..... I made the things....you talk about them. My car, at that time, was fully loaded with xtant and MTX gear. ...but whatever....I just won't watch your videos any more... Peace out, homie!
always stroker old school cerwin-vega just trying to make more money not today cerwin vega we will not buy the new versions back in the 90s the cerwin vega strokers were bloody $3500 new Zealand dollars. for goodness sakes that's enough cerwin vega for ripping of the people I have 4 cerwin vega strokers 18s still today and I am the 3rd loudest in new Zealand record
I was so close to having my hands on 4 of the single coil original 18's. If you offered me a used pair of the original strokers or a pair of the new ones brand new in box for the same price I'm taking the originals. Most legendary subs ever produced for the car audio market.
Make your point and move on. 1.2db is not really that small. They made the speakers back then high efficiency to compensate for lower power amplifiers.
Ok, I felt like that's what this video was. I made my case and it's the last Stroker video I've done even though they get the most views. I'm just trying to put content on UA-cam about some of the old gear I got laying around.
@@brentb5303 Isn't it funny (not really) how some people will knock your opinions or your videos, but when you look to see their videos, they don't have any? There seems to be a few here. Keep up the good work.
I get how it would appear that way. The original Stroker had some small batch machined parts and although it is a paper pulp cone there is a photo of a guy who is at least 250lbs standing on one of the 18's on the Cerwin Vega fan site. They ran between $600-1000 for the 12"-18" variants. They are very well made and sound amazing but I only have this 12 because I got it for $90 a few years ago. If money is no object I would say the Strokers are a very good choice. For the rest of us. Insanely priced. They are very nice drivers though.
look at actual pro audio speakers of proper brands, they all appear that way but go way louder than car subs with a huge surround and a polypropylene/different sorts of plastic cones, even on much lower power
You could ask yourself the question "why with 40 years of technological advancement. Have they decided to use a 40 year old design?" My point and I stand by it is that the original stroker was an amazing achievement in transducer design. Where you make it doesn't matter but if want to justify the cost it's hard to explain why you're charging so much for something thrown together in a build house.
Strokers are really cool vintage drivers they have a big place in the subwoofer history and what we have today probably is because of cerwin Vega's ingenuity, but the design is sooo out dated.. the original was just a repurposed pro audio sub for car audio spl competition pretty wild back then but we are way past that technology. Basically as far as a car audio subwoofer in a modern age the stroker pro is a colossal terd..imo any SPL specific sub is a terd in every way (other than making crazy loud buzzing noise) it's a gimmick that never caught traction but because of it's uniqueness people are still willing to spend a butt load of money for a new version fancy pro audio sub, Nostalgia can be expensive.
I think there cool enough after I finish up some sub builds I have a stroker tribute build, I have a 18" 188c cerwin Vega pro audio bass driver that came from a bass guitar set up and resto mod build, it came with a 8.30" single slug motor with a 3l8" top and bottom plate and has a 3/4"x3" coil. I have the motor apart my plan is to replace that slug with two 8.25x.75 slugs, replace the pole with a 3/4" or 1" taller pole and add a 3/8" pole extension rod and for $88 I can get a 18" stroker recone kit that has a 1" tall winding width 3" coil and mill an adjustable spider clamp for the top to utilize that top spider, all in all for $50 in ferrite an $88 recone I'll have what looks and performs like an old school stroker for $138...that's a far cry from a real stroker, and I'm not doing it because I think they work so well just for fun. I will do something with it maybe a selectable auxiliary rock music sub for my home theater one that I can switch back n forth with my HT sub amp, That would probably work killer for that seems that's where it would shine, especially where 18" pros have such a high sensitivity it would have great output on just 250wrms... I love building drivers now there's such a self gratification to say I built that sub it's full custom.
@@analogaudiorules1724 I haven't gotten around to building a box for it. I have heard the 15's and 18's and they are amazing subs. I just went to slamology and the only thing I heard there that I would compare is the Hutchinson audio subs. The sundown and the like need thousands of watts to do their thing. Hutchinson's demo was brutal and they were running a fraction of the watts the other guys were. I talked to the really friendly people who make the Hutchinson subs in South Dakota USA. They are all about high efficiency which is exactly what made the Stroker great. Due to advancements in technology and materials the dual spider design of the Stroker isn't necessary for maintaining linear movement of the coil in the gap. Their big boy subs cost less than the new Strokers. Personally I would go with them over the new Stroker. The original Stroker can be found for good prices and I might run some if I find the right deal. I love my JL 18w6's so I'm not in a hurry to replace them but two Stroker 18's would walk all over them with the same power used.
@@brentb5303 I never personally heard of hutchinson, ill take a look into those, and yea, i had the same thoughts about the dual spider design, however ill say that, at that power level with todays design materials they probably wouldn't have to use two spiders, so i aggree with your assesmet, it's still nice to have the extra stability, even if you don't need it for that power level, id take more durability over less anyway, plus it still looks badass, and really stands out among any other subwoofers on the market that alone and it's overbuilt design plus it's efficiency, I'd say it's worth the price. But who really knows, everybody from back in the day says they were the best and even now some of them argue to say that they prefer the sound of them over anything else. I've never personally heard strokers, but I've owned Cerwin Vega speakers before, and I'm talking about the classic ones before they went to China, maybe one day I'll put a 15 inch stroker in a 4 cubic foot box, and just see how it sounds.
Relatively, when you've been in the hobby for a long time it becomes irritating. In this case it was kind of laughable. If you get on the forums it won't take you long to see who knows what they are talking about and who's blowing smoke. Everyday there is someone new to the hobby getting horrible advice from some jackwagon who is an "expert". My attempt here was to try and set the record straight and get a chuckle out of the old school guys.
Sorry buddy I don't edit or plan out my videos. I generally say um when I'm thinking of what to say next. I apologize if it made it difficult to watch. At least there aren't any commercials or patreon involved in my channel. If there was I would put some time in and have a more professional format.
I have used this 12" and installed two 15" strokers in another build. I haven't heard the new ones. Point in fact there still isn't a new stroker video of them in use on UA-cam. They were discontinued by Cerwin Vega before the first batch was shipped. So if you have heard any of the new strokers that would be helpful information. I'm guessing you don't want to spend $3,000 on a pair of the new strokers just to hear what they sound like.
Die hard fan of cerwin Vega subs, Orion amps, eclipse head unit
They do make a 12" now. I use to get strokers 12s for 250 15s for 300 and 18s 350 at wholesale even back in the late 90s early 2000s the mark up was insane 700-800 for a 12 800-900 on 15 and 900-1000 for 18. I loved them but no way in hell am I dropping $1500+ on a sub
If you showed up to a comp back in the day with the Strokers you were feared! Awesome drivers. I have a original special edition 15D2 still in the Box on the Shelf in my garage.
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Dude use it and don’t sell it I ran two 15’s back in the day man I wish I still had them
Great point. Car audio has a ton of the following: brand-biased enthusiasts; misinformation; overinflated specs; marketing hype; overpriced mediocre products; inaccurate info being passed from one person (who doesn't know what they're talking about), to another person.
Unfortunately it's always been that way and lots of money has been spent on current trends and not product that matches the consumers needs.
The old strokers are beast
they definitely have a unique sound .
Cerwin Vega 12 inch sub I got my car in a customized ported box a friend of mine built, I put a CT Sounds 1000 watt amp on it, it pounds the shit out of that sub, it sounds like I got two or three subs in my car when in reality I only have one.
I loved the old school strokers but I feel like the new ones are just a novelty item because of the sky high price. You can get Much better performing subs for way less. I would buy some if they were much cheaper or if there specs were better.
You make a very composed and well thought out argument. Keep making videos like this. I was hoping to find a video explaining the design of the woofer but I was happy to hear you out.
SowtimeSPL has an excellent video on the original Stroker. He has one torn apart and explains why it was designed that way. His videos are really good and I think it's one of his best.
My cousin who stayed with me in high school had three of the Sherwin Vega clear top strokers in the back of his Ford ranger extended cab on 3900 w pioneer amps his shit Banger
rockford t3 19 for 2k seems like a better deal and thats funny could get 2 18 inch dc audio subs with 4inch coils for what one stroker 15 costs
I didn't know the strokers were that sensitive... wow. It was the first sub i saw with dual spider which was cool. Back in the days at a comp a dude had 1 18" on a wall behind the seats, sounded like distorted even at low volume. Could've been just his ride
aint nothing fucking with the old stroker and i mean you can beat the old strokers like ike turner
You did miss an important note about these speakers. They have the ability to adjust voice coil bias. Allowing for greater spl or for sound clarity. This obviously should only be adjusted by a qualified person. No other speaker on the market has the ability to do that without recone and suspension.
Hey... what do these subs compare to with what's out on the market today... I have a couple that need reconing or I sell. Thanks. Answer I got sell them. Based upon a PA design.
Still have them?
Dual spiders right? What about tinsel leads? Just 1 strand or several sewn into cone? Anything in the design to make it handle more power than it's rated. Sundown and other high end competition subs boast certain features that let their speakers handle extremely high wattage. Not sure(besides their high efficiency) that they could compete with todays companies.
These subs were great man I owned a couple of 18's and I played around with all 3 sizes and they were really musical ...sadly cerwin vega mobile is no longer what it used to be once they were bought out by Stanton then owned by the same company that owned diamond audio which also went down the pan after their D9 series subs shame man and now the latest victim is jbl mobile now owned by samsung how crap is that oh well dd audio,EMF AUDIO,sundown, morel you get the drift...
One thing that I took notice of immediately with the newer design stroker is how you’re really similar it is to the Savard high Q 12 inch. If you look at them in a profile manner they’re essentially the exact same speaker. I own the Savard Pro 12 which uses the same basket as one of the models of Orion. But that being said speaker designs are basically cut and paste from a different manufacturer is nowadays. But I have not seen any other speaker that looks so similar to the new Strokers as the Savard hi-q 12”. The Savard hIQ is actually a bit pricier but at least you know with Savard it was built in the US.
I got the old 2strokers in my home theatre setup, I just bought the 2 of the new stroker, I still like the old one better
I've heard of several people using them for a home theater application. I am seriously considering using this twelve for that purpose. They are so accurate I can imagine they would perform very well in a home theater set up.
@@brentb5303 Vega made home subs one they first started the company. Matter of fact the original Strokers were for home audio applications.
I have 2 18's that were made for the movie earthquake back in the 70s and they are still kickin :) and I just picked up 2 12's today that were made for the car from the 90's never used still in the original boxes sealed up in plastic. They will all being set up in my new theater once its built, but for now I will be building the enclosures soon.
What's the difference between the CVMP65 and the CVMPCL65?
Always wondered if the new Strokers are better than the originals since finding CV re-released them. Great vid!
Thanks buddy. I found a good video with a walk around of a new Stroker. It's made in China but is vented through the pole and drilled to the coil gap for cooling. It does have the ability to adjust the front spider to tune to different frequencies like the original. The fact that the added cooling of the coil adds no additional thermal power handling makes me question the quality of that coil. The finish on the machined parts is top notch on the original and so-so on the new. I will say that machined finish isn't what it used to be so it's par for the course in today's manufacturing. I think performance wise you could expect similar numbers. Durability may or may not be in question. Either way I would go with the known quality and longevity of the original and be patient and find a pair of originals saving a couple grand in the process. Thanks for the feedback.
Dude! My old 15 Stroker was the shit. I had a 1600 class D Kicker amp runnin' it, but I knew it could handle more power. I ended up trading the amp and sub for a hot rodded 67 Beetle.
I'd make that trade also. 1,600 Watts to a 15 must have been loud. Being a kicker amp it was at least 1,600 true Watts.
@@brentb5303 I don't see this sub on Amazon. CV is my favorite speaker and I may buy a ST104D Stroker. It's selling for $305 and it can handle 800 watts continuous. Do you know what dimensions the cabinet should be?
@@mabalot5150 21x12x13.86 ported. The port should run the 13.86 depth and make a right angle turn and run an additional 4.75 inches. That's the specs for 1 sub per Cerwin Vega
@@brentb5303 Thanks man!
db sensitivity and rms rating is what is important …. to me anyway...… :)
WinZard yes, RMS x sensitivity = total output DB.
@@Mr_Sh1tcoin ua-cam.com/video/VN_qgJkum20/v-deo.html it doesnt matter if it has a 90db rating it depends on a whole shit ton more factors then just rating
@@Noah-or5gr tell that to anyone in pro audio and youll get told where to go
@@Mr_Sh1tcoin yes in speakers it matters not subs they are a whole lot of factors that play into subs raither then just sensitivity
@@Noah-or5gr You have great bro science Noah.
These sort of companies are still holding it up 😉😉😉😉
This was a very informative video i really like the fact you bring top points to it. Me personally i would agree with you that the new versions are not that much better definitely believe the quality of the 1st gen made in USA would have a much higher reliability rate. Honestly the going rate for the new versions i feel it just isn't worth it too truly find out what i believe to know already great video!!
doesn't the construction of the cone diameter and construction of the voice coil and construction of the basket also play a part I'm asking not informing because I don't know but notice these things mentioned when researching speakers to purchase?
I would guess that your asking if the materials used and how they were assembled play a role? Yes, would be my answer if I'm interpreting construction the correct way. I wasn't sure if you were referring to it in that way or in reference to the mechanical engineering as construction or maybe both. Either way I'm glad you brought this up. I spent 16 years working in machine shops and have done it all from shipping and receiving, setting up and editing programs on CNC machinery, and working with mechanical and manufacturing engineers. Over the span of my career (which I walked away from because living in a dirty shop for 60 hours a week will wear on you unless that's your jam), I have witnessed many changes to the manufacturing process with some being in a positive direction and some going in a negative direction. In my opinion globalization has impacted consumer products in two major ways: There is a race to the bottom in materials used and finished part quality. There has been mind blowing advancements in efficiency and automation. Those two are not mutually exclusive. From the mid 90's(When the original was produced) to today (the current model) manufacturing is completely different in almost all aspects when it comes to consumer goods manufacturing in most cases. The glut of cheep Chinese goods, which the American public has voted for with their wallets, have changed the expectations of consumers of what they should expect from a product. A fancy 4 color printed box with dubious claims of specks and a ton of marketing wank is to be expected. A manual that barely explains the product you just purchased and repeats the same crap on the outside of the box. The products themselves place an emphasis on form over function i.e. led lights, plastic and cheap metals used to make the product look beefier or more advanced than it actually is. Fit and finish of products is tricky because technology has improved fit due to tighter tolerances being achievable but in my experience finish suffers when you mass produce machined parts in rapid succession. All this being said materials used and what adhesives you used to assemble them, the way in which the the voice coil dissipates heat and how it maintains linearity within the coil gap. The tightness of the coil gap. The amount of magnetic force exerted on the voice coil. The thickness of the top plate. The pole piece. The shape and rigidity of the cone. The compliance of the surround and spider will all play a role. I have NOT in person seen a new Stroker. Judging by the pictures they did their best to make the new one look and function like the original but the top spider doesn't appear to be adjustable like the original but I could be wrong. The cast basket looks beefy on both as does the magnets. The original just looks better in my opinion but to each his own. If I had the choice between a pair of new in box originals or the new ones I would take the originals but that is just me.
I hope my answer helps buddy. I'm really an enthusiast and not an expert.
I just found a video of a walk around of the new Stroker. It is adjustable on the front. It was engineered and designed by at least one of the engineer's of the original. The pole is vented as the original was not and the coil gap was also vented as the old was not. It's kind of inconsequential because they both have the same power handling so thermal dissipation is a moot point. Basically they are trying to recreate the original which is an admirable goal.
@@brentb5303 I'm really not trying to compare the two just trying to learn what makes a speaker better than another so I get the most out of my investment which is really just throwing money away LOL.
I would say one of the nicest midbass drivers ever produced but sub-bass not so much. They can sound and perform bad-ass above 30hz but four below 30hz, others subwoofer brands are more capable due to design. But who am I to say because usually it’s all in the enclosure.
That's a fair point.
I don’t think it has to be better to sell a ton of woofers; just AVAILABLE. 😂🔊
Absolute legends.
In my opinion for the same price you could buy a team sundown subwoofer instead and there is absolutely no comparison between the two lol
while i see you point and do agree to some degree, a team sundown is not a cerwin vega stroker. its the old school look and feel to the stroker that gives it it's appeal and like people say it's a legendary sub possibly the most iconic subwoofer ever! it's the JBL L100's of subwoofers and that is the reason you want these, the team sundown will outperform it? probably, a lot of things most likely would but those subs wont bring a smile to someone's face without being played like the stroker would
Another Sundown fan boy SHUT THE FU$@ UP So tired of hearing your guys crap so unoriginal lmfao
There’s a couple different designs of Stroker that came after this one.
I still LOVE the original though!!
Mine have the typical brownish ...did you color that one black??
It was re-coned and they used a black spider. Don't sell the ones you have. They are hard to come by and I think they will only go up in price. I think they look ok in black but I like the original look. This one was really cheep. I couldn't pass it up.
I knew a guy that had 2 stroker 18s and you could barely breath when his music was playing
I would still like to build a pair of K horns and use these drivers in them.
That would be amazing. From what I've read the only complaint on the K horns is the bottom end. I would have to imagine a stroker would solve that issue. Plus the strokers are some of the only subs efficient enough to match the loaded horns
2001 Monolithic I have a infinite baffle set up in my basement for my subwoofer, so I have plenty of low end. I have always wanted to build a set of K-Horns since I was a teenager, even if they don't sound good and I don't listen to them I would just like to have the cabinets in the corners of the living room. On Amazon have you seen the price of 1 new K-Horn? To say it's expensive for what it is is a understatement.
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They’ve been making the Stroker subwoofer since the late 70’s... They’ve been slightly tweaking and improving on it ever since. I honestly don’t know where the “new” stroker would live in the line.
They have always been too rich for my blood. I have read that the stroker pro with the clear dust cap is the business. They started to slap the stroker name on all their high end subs and at one time had three different strokers they were selling at the same time but they were all completely different from one another. I can't say for shure because I haven't hear the new ones but after seeing one and looking at its specs I feel they were just trying to duplicate the original.
HifiVega they've been making the stroker since 1979 and it was made for a movie called earthquake but they didn't make it for car audio until the early 90s
I have 2 18's from the theater that were made for the movie Earthquake back in the 70's. No enclosures but will be building some soon.
@@15secofFame I missed this comment but it would be really interesting and informative if you did a video series on using those subs. I would definitely do what I could to plug such a series.
@@brentb5303 Hey mono yeah man, but I haven't made a video in a while and it was with the free windows version lol. but let me see what I can do with a video editor. I also scored a pair of New Old Stock 12" strokers from the 90's still in the plastic ....well one is now lol. I just had to hook one up, but only gave it about 50 watts :)
flip the sub over show us the magnet
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I like the clear dustcap pro model.vicious with music. Not a meter sub.
Those things were crazy. I've actually read a lot about them but have no personal experience with them. I haven't ever heard anything bad about them. Not even once.
@@brentb5303 they image well are crazy dynanic and just do music very verrrry well ... i want the new ones too to be able to compare them all.
@@etriganseven6042 I really want to hear them all. Unfortunately we are talking about some of the most expensive and cost prohibitive drivers ever made. If I can get my hands on one of each that will be a happy day. I figure with some patients I might get the opportunity.
@@brentb5303 ayeeee monolithic amps hlcd horns and CV on the bass with big zapco ab power. Maybe linear power. Lol
so strokers are. or they use to be incredibly efficient. the point was more bass on less power. thats what made them scary at competitions.
modern woofers are horrible. everything has too much mass speakers to heavy to get out of there own way. efficiency just isn't understood anymore. everyone wants power handling super heavy coils. no one has ever heard of a speaker horn. no clue how much energy getting wasted on those big heavy woofers.
but we didn't have amplifiers that could literally dump 15kw into a sub back in the day. as amplifiers improved things like compression drivers and supper efficient speakers have gone away.
I wonder if the popularity of vacuum tube amplifiers might be the reasoning behind a new stroker
Bringing up free air resonance to see what "plays lower" is pointless. The box mainly determines how low they actually play.
Any driver will be most efficient in an enclosure tuned to its free air resonance. Vehicle cabin and enclosure obviously play major rolls in output.
I'm pretty sure the new strokers are 24mm xmax one way. Making it 48mm peak to peak. The old ones have only 11.5mm xmax one way, except the 18". It has 19mm xmax one way. So in that regard, only rhe 18" older stroker would come somewhat close to the new ones when comparing excursion.
I'll look more into that but xmax is almost always listed in spec sheets as one way especially back in the day. Even more so from the original cerwin vega. Also there are videos here on youtube of both the old and new strokers. They share one almost exact feature. The dope coated fabric surround. I will take a closer look and get back to you but that was a major limiting factor of overall throw mechanically. I have the name of the manufacturer of those surrounds. I'll have to get ahold of them and see if they made both. You could be right though. Id be more than happy to make a correction video if that turns out to be the case. The fact they are so similar in every other statistic It would be one embarrassing video because I would have to re-examine everything I understand about transducers.
Ok so far what I can confirm is that you are correct about it being peak to peak in the old manual and says as much because it's very transparent. The new Cerwin Vega which is, produced cheaply overseas, unlike the original company, which is indisputable. That is home and car audio, across their entire product line. The new Stroker classic pro is probably made just fine but on the cheap. Make no mistake about it. Their manual list x-max as peak to peak as well as for every Stroker made overseas thus far but I can find no manual online for the newest one. So the previous three and if you count the original four manuals list the stat as peak to peak but only the original list it as peak to peak and also list next to that x-max one way. Is this new statistic?I have only found listed on sonic electronics sales pageI'll keep digging I'm going to get to the bottom of this for you guys. Is there even a manual for it? The Cerwin Vega web site doesn't even have statics for the new sub. I had to get the one's for this video from sonic electronics sales web page. I'll keep digging for you though.
But the old gens were more efficient. They could make a grand amount of pressure with very little power.
@@robsorgdrager8477 idk if i would consider 3600w a very little power rating
@@johnvancamp1576 that's it's max value. The amount of charging system one would need in the 90's to feed 3600 watts rms would rival the engine in size and weight.
As for the new gen / reduce / gen 1.2 , 3600 watts sounds about right and you can stack five boss amps to get that now a days. 😂🤣
Having seen performance specs of these stroker CVs, they do not keep up with modern, much-less-expensive subs. They aren't worthwhile unless you are a retro geek that wants to relive the past and are willing to pay more for inferior gear.
I appreciate your long response and dedication to Cerwin Vega and old-school car audio. I too have long been a fan of car (and home) audio...having worked for MTX/xTant making amplifiers and speakers...and also selling all manners of home and car audio equipment.
It is your money. Spend it how you see fit. If you like it, great!
MTX and Xtant were made under the same roof, in Phoenix Arizona...by the same people....one of which was me. Rockford Fosgate made their gear about 1.5 miles away from the MTX plant. Orion made their gear about 1.5 miles away from the MTX Plant. JL Audio is about 1.5 miles from where MTX is. Everything has changed though, and most stuff is now made in China or S Korea. I don't like the idea of buying foreign made audio gear...but they do make some outstanding gear at prices that are hard to ignore. These CV strokers do not compete with some of these Asian-made subs that cost a fraction of the CVs.
CV would have been much smarter to design and make something to compete with the other modern gear rather than dredge up the archaic stroker stuff. The strokers had their time, but the competition caught up to and then exceeded them.
I compare this to the 'hipsters' that dump thousands into turntables to play LPs just to get the sound of LPs which are far from high quality and are quite noisy. They pay lots of cash to have lower quality sound but have the retro value.
...and that is all OK. If you enjoy the end result, it is money well-spent. I just think one can do better with the same amount of money or less.
Right now, I have 2 SoundQubed amps powering 8 mids/tweets + 2 12" Rockville subs. (Yes, Rockville subs...75$ a piece... but they farkin whoop serious ass for how little money I spent on them....though I am considering replacing them with SoundQubed subs should they fail.)
I am not at all pleased that almost all of these companies offshored their shit. Almost every maker of almost everything offshored their shit and it resulted in an inferior USA. Probably 98% of car audio gear is made in Asia now...and if you want to bump, you have to buy Asian made stuff. If you want your ride to be bumping, you have to buy Asian stuff...and it turns out that we can find terrific value. I don't find fault in being excited about car audio gear, even if it is made in another nation...especially because almost all of it is made there. Should I let politics and capitalism deprive me of an appreciation of a car that bumps?
I really do hope that we can bring more of that audio gear back to the US...but it is what it is and I will be bumping in my car anyway. All these companies we once loved sold us and the US out... If they sold us out, how much should we value them now? I chose not to buy new RF for that reason.... I chose not to buy new MTX for that reason... I chose not to buy Orion for that reason...
Here is another interesting thing to think about.... Trump and the haters that hate him. I am assuming you might bump rap in your whip...because bump it does and it sounds fucking badass to be bumping! Trump has been the only force at work trying to bring US manufacturing back to the US and is succeeding at it...and most of the rappers hate him for it. It amuses me....these fucking rappers rap all day long about how much they like making money and pimping bitches and selling drugs to beats that bump like mad in our subwoofer-equipped whips...and they hate the fucking guy who most represents capitalism and pimping... These rappers want this gear made in China and Korea, because the demand to make the stuff here is 'racist'....
So, what do we do? We just do the best we can with what we have and bump our whips the best way we know how...even if it must be Asian made gear for now. I am hoping Trump, or some other force, can bring US manufacturing back to the US....but the car audio gear isnt there yet.
@@brentb5303 The school I went to was MTX manufacturing making Thunder, Blue Thunder and xtant amplifiers..... I made the things....you talk about them. My car, at that time, was fully loaded with xtant and MTX gear.
...but whatever....I just won't watch your videos any more... Peace out, homie!
always stroker old school cerwin-vega just trying to make more money not today cerwin vega we will not buy the new versions back in the 90s the cerwin vega strokers were bloody $3500 new Zealand dollars. for goodness sakes that's enough cerwin vega for ripping of the people I have 4 cerwin vega strokers 18s still today and I am the 3rd loudest in new Zealand record
I was so close to having my hands on 4 of the single coil original 18's. If you offered me a used pair of the original strokers or a pair of the new ones brand new in box for the same price I'm taking the originals. Most legendary subs ever produced for the car audio market.
2001 Monolithic if you still need some message me
@@daviddavis2836 If you want to part with some I'm definitely in the market. I would love to do an old school build with them. I got the $
Mt Welly Countdown? 😂
Jeeez man. You could have at least showed a different angle of the speaker.
Make your point and move on. 1.2db is not really that small. They made the speakers back then high efficiency to compensate for lower power amplifiers.
Ok, I felt like that's what this video was. I made my case and it's the last Stroker video I've done even though they get the most views. I'm just trying to put content on UA-cam about some of the old gear I got laying around.
@@brentb5303 Isn't it funny (not really) how some people will knock your opinions or your videos, but when you look to see their videos, they don't have any? There seems to be a few here. Keep up the good work.
$1500? Looks like a flimsy paper speaker..
I get how it would appear that way. The original Stroker had some small batch machined parts and although it is a paper pulp cone there is a photo of a guy who is at least 250lbs standing on one of the 18's on the Cerwin Vega fan site. They ran between $600-1000 for the 12"-18" variants. They are very well made and sound amazing but I only have this 12 because I got it for $90 a few years ago. If money is no object I would say the Strokers are a very good choice. For the rest of us. Insanely priced. They are very nice drivers though.
look at actual pro audio speakers of proper brands, they all appear that way but go way louder than car subs with a huge surround and a polypropylene/different sorts of plastic cones, even on much lower power
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Paper is a broad category my friend
Just because it's not made in the us dosen't meant the tech isnt superior. Your feelings got hurt
You could ask yourself the question "why with 40 years of technological advancement. Have they decided to use a 40 year old design?" My point and I stand by it is that the original stroker was an amazing achievement in transducer design. Where you make it doesn't matter but if want to justify the cost it's hard to explain why you're charging so much for something thrown together in a build house.
Probably why they discontinued these before the first ones came up for sale? Don't you think?
Strokers are really cool vintage drivers they have a big place in the subwoofer history and what we have today probably is because of cerwin Vega's ingenuity, but the design is sooo out dated.. the original was just a repurposed pro audio sub for car audio spl competition pretty wild back then but we are way past that technology. Basically as far as a car audio subwoofer in a modern age the stroker pro is a colossal terd..imo any SPL specific sub is a terd in every way (other than making crazy loud buzzing noise) it's a gimmick that never caught traction but because of it's uniqueness people are still willing to spend a butt load of money for a new version fancy pro audio sub, Nostalgia can be expensive.
I think there cool enough after I finish up some sub builds I have a stroker tribute build, I have a 18" 188c cerwin Vega pro audio bass driver that came from a bass guitar set up and resto mod build, it came with a 8.30" single slug motor with a 3l8" top and bottom plate and has a 3/4"x3" coil. I have the motor apart my plan is to replace that slug with two 8.25x.75 slugs, replace the pole with a 3/4" or 1" taller pole and add a 3/8" pole extension rod and for $88 I can get a 18" stroker recone kit that has a 1" tall winding width 3" coil and mill an adjustable spider clamp for the top to utilize that top spider, all in all for $50 in ferrite an $88 recone I'll have what looks and performs like an old school stroker for $138...that's a far cry from a real stroker, and I'm not doing it because I think they work so well just for fun. I will do something with it maybe a selectable auxiliary rock music sub for my home theater one that I can switch back n forth with my HT sub amp, That would probably work killer for that seems that's where it would shine, especially where 18" pros have such a high sensitivity it would have great output on just 250wrms... I love building drivers now there's such a self gratification to say I built that sub it's full custom.
these speakers still beat many new speakers till this day....just saying.
@@PRIZM_LOCKhave you heard them play yourself ? Reason asking I just caught one bran d new on sale and I’m thinking of purchasing it
@@PRIZM_LOCKhave you heard them ?
First thing is stop saying uhh and um. 😂 Great video otherwise.
Yea it's kind of painful to watch me stumble through some of these videos. I'm trying to shorten and get to the point on one's I've done lately.
@@brentb5303 Still a great video dude, nice sub btw, do you feel this sub is worth it? Or haven't you built a box for it yet to try it?
@@analogaudiorules1724 I haven't gotten around to building a box for it. I have heard the 15's and 18's and they are amazing subs. I just went to slamology and the only thing I heard there that I would compare is the Hutchinson audio subs. The sundown and the like need thousands of watts to do their thing. Hutchinson's demo was brutal and they were running a fraction of the watts the other guys were. I talked to the really friendly people who make the Hutchinson subs in South Dakota USA. They are all about high efficiency which is exactly what made the Stroker great. Due to advancements in technology and materials the dual spider design of the Stroker isn't necessary for maintaining linear movement of the coil in the gap. Their big boy subs cost less than the new Strokers. Personally I would go with them over the new Stroker. The original Stroker can be found for good prices and I might run some if I find the right deal. I love my JL 18w6's so I'm not in a hurry to replace them but two Stroker 18's would walk all over them with the same power used.
@@brentb5303 I never personally heard of hutchinson, ill take a look into those, and yea, i had the same thoughts about the dual spider design, however ill say that, at that power level with todays design materials they probably wouldn't have to use two spiders, so i aggree with your assesmet, it's still nice to have the extra stability, even if you don't need it for that power level, id take more durability over less anyway, plus it still looks badass, and really stands out among any other subwoofers on the market that alone and it's overbuilt design plus it's efficiency, I'd say it's worth the price. But who really knows, everybody from back in the day says they were the best and even now some of them argue to say that they prefer the sound of them over anything else. I've never personally heard strokers, but I've owned Cerwin Vega speakers before, and I'm talking about the classic ones before they went to China, maybe one day I'll put a 15 inch stroker in a 4 cubic foot box, and just see how it sounds.
@@analogaudiorules1724 yes they are worth it i got an old one boxed and its evil 😏😂
You seem salty
Relatively, when you've been in the hobby for a long time it becomes irritating. In this case it was kind of laughable. If you get on the forums it won't take you long to see who knows what they are talking about and who's blowing smoke. Everyday there is someone new to the hobby getting horrible advice from some jackwagon who is an "expert". My attempt here was to try and set the record straight and get a chuckle out of the old school guys.
He's sad more than salty....
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Sorry buddy I don't edit or plan out my videos. I generally say um when I'm thinking of what to say next. I apologize if it made it difficult to watch. At least there aren't any commercials or patreon involved in my channel. If there was I would put some time in and have a more professional format.
So hook up the damn thing and stop yapping about something that you haven't heard!
I have used this 12" and installed two 15" strokers in another build. I haven't heard the new ones. Point in fact there still isn't a new stroker video of them in use on UA-cam. They were discontinued by Cerwin Vega before the first batch was shipped. So if you have heard any of the new strokers that would be helpful information. I'm guessing you don't want to spend $3,000 on a pair of the new strokers just to hear what they sound like.