SEVEN Is Unsettling But Good! | First Time Watch | Movie Reaction | Morgan Freeman | Brad Pitt
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- Steph Sabraw & Carolina Sofia are incredibly disturbed during their first time watching this very popular crime thriller, Seven (1995). Though they found the movie unsettling to watch, it doesn't mean they didn't find the movie to be incredible the way it is.
Seven also stars: Gwyneth Paltrow (Iron Man, Shakespeare in Love, & The Royal Tenenbaums), Kevin Spacey (American Beauty, The Usual Suspects, & Horrible Bosses), R. Lee Ermey (Full Metal Jacket & Mississippi Burning), & John C. McGinley (The Animal & The Belko Experiment).
"What's in the box?"
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That fraction-of-a-second flash of his wife's face before Mills kills John Doe was brilliant. You could see that Mills was sick with shock and grief but trying not to give Doe what he wanted. Then his mind couldn't help it...and thought of her and what he lost, and he instantly killed Doe. I think that split- second shot of Tracy's face meant everything to the scene.
David Fincher did this in Fight Club as well but with mischievous intentions 🤣
@@nishanthgeorge6534 lol. So true.
David Fincher did this with Gone Girl too. It takes great production, great sounds, great actors, great picture, great sensitivity and a genius touch. Fincher knows all about it.
I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS IVE REWATCHED THIS MOVIE TOO. THANKYOU FOR THIS WTF
@user-dc7mf8pc1m 👍🏼 It's fast enough to count as a subliminal image, I think. You may think that you didn't notice it, but I'd bet that your subconscious did.
"What's in the box!?" It hardly gets more iconic then that.
Only then vs than is more iconic.
Yeah, it does. Watch the afi 100 and the bfi 100
Than*
A brand new clockwork radio
I prefer “DETECTIIIIIIVE!!”
This is one of the few movies where the evil character wins at the end. This film it's SO well made. Great reaction, girls!
"Wins" feels like an understatement. Lol. Doe annihilated everyone. It's hard to tell who got it worse...the people he killed, or the people who witnessed the aftermath.
@@PoeInTheDitch So true, man!
@@PoeInTheDitchDefinitely people who got killed, ESPECIALLY the prostitute & the guy who was bounded to bed for one year.
See UPGRADE 2018,personally i think the ending is better than 7
yeah. so does The dark knight and revenge of the sith..
This is one case you’re wrong about the ending. The ending was not decided by the producers to make money. They actually wanted a different good ending but brad Pitt fought for the ending we see now in the final product that has made it a classic.
I mean, I am sure Fincher fought for the ending as well.
@@Harkness78 Yes, everyone involved insisted that they keep that ending. Fincher said that any time he mentioned the script around Hollywood people were like: "Oh, yeah... the 'head in the box' movie!"
He also said they had to fight mightily to get Spacey in the film. He was a bit too expensive for their budget and I think Pitt may have dropped his price so they could hire Kevin.
@@RolandDeschain1 Turns out Spacey is just as creepy in real life.
@@johnbrowne2170wrong
@@AtownOriginal Lovd the ending. It was a grizzly movie so the ending was perfect.
Carolina should watch Nightcrawler if she hasn't seen it. Jake Gyllenhaal plays a sociopath who becomes a paparazzi. It's disturbing as hell but very well-written, and he's pretty great in it. Absolutely terrifying. Btw, Fincher also did Fight Club.
I wonder why he hasn't bagged an Oscar yet
@@jaiminsharma I know! I actually haven't seen a lot of his films, but I've seen enough to know he can act. Never understood all the hate.
Gyllenhaal’s best performance along with prisoners imo, an absolute masterclass. Him not getting an Oscar Nom was insanity when that was easily one of if not the best performance of the year, should’ve won the best actor Oscar over redmayne who was great but not as good and Gyllenhaal
Fun fact: Denzel Washington turned down the role of Mills, which went to Brad Pitt. He has since deeply regretted it.
Also, the studio wanted a different ending. Pitt & Freeman said “hell no,” and both threatened to walk if the studio changed it.
1995 was a huge year for crime thrillers. This stood out.
Thank god! Danzel could play somerset but not Mills
@@cinemaspace2890 I have to agree. From the characters I remember, even with the wild ones (like in Training Day), he always has some degree of discipline or self-control. Mills needed to be without that.
In 1995, _The Usual Suspects_ was released shortly before _Se7en..._ for an obvious reason.
Denzel is so good in the equalizer
When John Doe comes to the station and yells Detective!!!. If you are watching it for first time, the moment Kevin Spacey comes your anxiety levels go through roof.
Fun fact: For the Sloth scene, special effects head Rob Bottin made a bunch of photos showcasing the decay of the victim over a year and there were dozens of pictures he gave to director, David Fincher. He apparently was like "I really only needed two pictures, the before and after". Also during the chase scene, Brad Pitt broke his hand when he fell on the roof and finished the scene before yelling in pain
I didn't know that! Very cool. I also heard that the actors during the sloth scene were told that it was either a dummy or an actor on the bed (can't remember which), but the director didn't tell them that the actor on the bed was going to spring to life! So those were their real reactions!
Brad Pitt had to have surgery.He cut his arm/wrist area severely.Strange thing, there was footage of this that was showed by gossip shows like Inside Edition.
Also, a cool little behind-the-scenes anecdote of this film is the fact that Spacey was so method in his role that for the part where Morgan Freeman's character opens the box, it was supposed to be empty but Spacey had secretly cut Gwyneth Paltrow's head off in real life to put in the box instead, so the reaction you see in the film from Freeman is genuine shock.
Its 4 weeks later... I don't care...
I just love that so much.@@JackRabbitSlim
Fun Fact: The prop head of Gwyneth Paltrow that was originally in the box is the same prop head that was used during her character's death scene in Contagion
No. They actually cut off Gwyneth's head for real then sewed it back after filming had wrapped up.
@@eatsmylifeYTdamn that's method
@@eatsmylifeYTHahahahaha
I remember seeing this in the cinema when it came out. I knew absolutely nothing about it and I walked out of there feeling like I had just been hit in the head with a bat.
When the 'Sloth' guy came back to life it is the closest I have ever been to pissing myself in fright.
This is an all-time classic and one of the best movies of the 90s.
All props to David Fincher... he's been in my Top 5 favorite directors since I saw this film, but also have to give credit to Andrew Kevin Walker for this horrifyingly creepy script. Whenever I see them collaborate, I'm there for it.
The scene at the end, when David Mills (Brad Pitt's character) becomes "wrath," has for me -- and I assume many others -- always raised a very interesting two-part question: (a) Is there even one prosecutor in the country who would even charge Mills with manslaughter? (b) If so, is there even one jury that would actually convict him? If I were one of the jurors, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't vote to acquit him. I suspect I'm *far* from alone in that regard.
There was a case in the 80s where a Kung-Fu instructor who had kidnapped and rap'ed a young boy, he was being led thru the airport by police after being captured, and the Father ran up and shot him dead. And the Father was acquitted by the Jury on all charges. So it can/should happen sometimes.
@@Harkness78that video is wild. Him pretending to be on the pay phone waiting to do it. Can't blame the guy.
Perfect letter vs spirit of the law scenario.
There's no way I would see a jury convicting him. A decent defense lawyer would simply put the jurors in the position of having them imagine them finding out there partner was not only murdered, which not only do you have to deal with the shock of finding out someone you loved was killed. You don't even have a second to process that, then you find out oh yeah you see that box over there? Your partners head is in that box. Now not only do you have to process the fact that your partner was murdered but now have to imagine there damn head cut off and placed in a damn ups box. Oh wait there's more did your brain process the first two bit of news that was told to you in less than a minute ago? It gets even better, you know the man that murdered your wife? He got to go into detail in how she begged him not to do it and here's the kicker, congrats you would of been a dad too but meh I ignored all that when she told me and still killed them both anyways. Damn you didn't know you were going to be a dad? Oops my bad for telling you before she ever had a chance to tell you but congrats anyways. Now just imagine being told all that info all in about a minute while holding a gun and the killer is right in front of you? 9 out of 10 would of pulled the trigger and no person would be in there right mind getting all that damaging information all at once. Mills would of needed mandatory counseling and that's it but no juror member unless they had zero heart would convict a man after all the s**t that Mills found out all at once.
Classic temporary insanity case. They might plead him down to something lesser, but either way i doubt he'd see a single day inside prison.
Fincher is just one of those directors who sees things differently! Spacey had a great year. This and The Usual Suspects, same year! So ur gonna have to do, The Usual Suspects, next!
I didn't know they were made in the same year! That's awesome. How lucky to find two fantastic scripts within a short time frame, AND get a role in both of them!
@@veggiesaremurderA popular fan theory exists that John Doe is Keyzer Soze.
You wanna go on a 1990s Spacey rampage (back when the guy was still revered), make sure to watch L.A. Confidential also. Freakin brilliant movie as well, with a truly brilliant performance.
A bunch of truly awesome actors are/were famously crap people in real life. Very sad, not sure if that's part of what made them so good, or just some unrelated duality in their persona... *shrug*
@@lennyvalentin6485 that was a great flick, all around acting!
The real MVPs of this film are the art team and production design. They don't get enough credit for making this movie so engrossing and dark next to the great performances.
After this movie, villains in movies start turning themselves in (e.g, The Joker, Khan, etc.). This flick was highly influential.
If yall like David Fincher, really should watch "The Game" an underrated gem that not everybody knows of, but when they watch it they love it.
Aw congrats on being a new cat mom. I'm an old cat mom, my baby actually passed away yesterday after 22 years together. Miss him like crazy already.
One of the rare movies that is always still disturbing every time you see it. Another movie I always thought was underrated but is a well made crime thriller like this is "The Bone Collector" with Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie and a good supporting cast as well. Would be a great reaction movie if you haven't seen it.
Good call. _The Bone Collector_ is a fantastic film that doesn't get nearly enough attention.
Yes and no, nobody really remembers Bone Collector, EVERYONE remembers this movie.
"Why did every single office in the 90s have that green lamp?"
Bankers lamps are synonymous with office work (originally meant for bank halls, hence the name) because green is said to be a soothing colour that helps with concentration, making it a popular desk lamp. Office culture of the 80s and 90s was its own unique aesthetic and these lamps were ordered in mass number and found practically everywhere because of their color and design, hence why they also show up in so many movies of the time.
"what's in the box" is one of the most iconic and famous lines in cinema history. One of my favorite films.
It’s not a brad Pitt movie. It’s a David Fincher Film 😂🎉
This movie is something. Despite having lesser screen time, kevin spacey steals all the light from the leads. The movie takes a different turn once his character is introduced. This movie is one of my all time best movies
I honestly don’t remember the reaction but I feel I need to say “Thank you” lol fantastic reaction ladies please more of this Duo 😁🙏🏻
That Green Banker's Desk Lamp was a retro-fashion statement hearkening back to the 1920s (pre-Great Depression), and a trend started in TV and film since the '70s during Hollywood's big nostalgia period when it became ultra-used as a prop, thereby perpetuating it as fashionable to this day.
The desk lamp being in 1990s movies - that type of desk lamp is actually way old, dating back to like, the 1930s or '20s at least. It adds to the both timeless and anachronistic tone of this movie, where it could almost have been shot today in a lot of ways, but also feels like a relic out of the past, particularly with its noir look and feel.
Somerset and Mills wearing trenchcoats and hats, for example - men wearing hats in particular is something that went out of style in the 1960s - with JFK actually, I've heard said. Also, typewriters, and fluorescent green computer screens, and boxy-looking cars. Even for the time it was made it had this divergent style that made it difficult to pin down exactly when in time it belongs.
Very very unique, and interesting. Absolutely adds to the appeal of the movie.
Such a classic. Such good storytelling. -great observation how his wife was the only sunshine in the whole film 👏🏾. So powerful to take that away at the end! And the showed us how brazen Brad Pitt’s character is the entire film, so you would believe he would shoot him recklessly at the end. Wow
Freeman's character doesnt want to retire with a case thats going to have him puzzling over it long after he's retired. Thats why he doesn't want to work the case, detectives can fixate pretty hard
I can see Mills getting acquitted due to the extreme circumstances. He would never be a cop again tough.
Lol that lamp has been in every office I’ve ever worked in, in real life as well.
You know the writers, director, and actors have done their job when they can cultivate an emotional reaction from the audience about one of the victims.
36:09 Didn't count Fincher's Fight Club, which would also be another good example and should be a good reaction for the channel :)
Seven and 12 Monkeys came out about a month apart. I developed a respect for Brad Pitt as an actor across that month that I haven't ever had cause to reverse.
The tag line for this movie should have been "Make sure the sun is shining when you leave the theater."
I love this movie. Sometimes in life the evil wins. Its just how it is.
This was a masterpiece of story telling and film making, very well made, and well acted, with a gut-punch of an ending. One of Pitt's finest performances. The look on your faces was priceless, and worth every second of waiting to see your responses to that ending. I love this movie, for it's genre it's one of the best I've ever seen, keeps you riveted thru-out, and in no ways does it disappoint or let up, or let you down, a 10 if their ever was one.
A lot of people watch movies for the actors. We watch FILM for the Director.
When you think about it, killing John Doe at the end could be a reduced sentence for Mills since that can be considered voluntary manslaughter under temporary insanity. At the worst it can be second degree murder; but in both cases, temporary insanity can be asserted as an affirmative defense. But that's just my lawyer hat talking.
Due to the circumstances of the murder, would the prosecutor even be willing to try David? Would a jury even convict him? Wouldn't the whole system try to protect him, or give him the least amount of punishment possible? Just asking your opinion as an attorney.
@21stcenturyhiphop in my POV, the prosecutor would've done his duty by pursuing an indictment, but you're right-the jury would find it hard to convict him once they put themselves in David's shoes. They'd probably give him time served and release him. But as an attorney, you would have a much better take than I do, honestly.
@@pedronavaja4837 Thanks again for your take.
Another David Fincher movie that has Brad Pitt in it is "Fight Club". You'll like it. It is totally messed up too. :D Not as much as this one though, but.... close. LOL
The sad thing is that if Mills Had chosen NOT to shot John, John's "masterpiece" would not be complete. He would go to Jail KNOWING that his work will NEVER be completed. And I GUARANTEE you that this would have hurt him more than anything in the world.
Absolutely. That’s why Somerset was trying to make him understand that very point. Doe would have been raging that he didn’t complete his “work.”
I can't agree more, but this end it's also dangerous, 'cause John finally sent his message with a strange authority, I mean setting the example by giving up his own life : "I'm a sinner, I must die too" .
How insane is that?
"detecTIIIIVEE!!!" This movie never gets old! 🤩
My mom always had the hots for Brad Pitt since Thelma & Louise and I was like: "Okay, he's handsome, calm down." Then he takes off his shirt in "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood".
And I had to yield "Yeah, okay, that is really sexy.". Too bad she died before seeing it, though.
Too bad y'all don't know Hrithik Roshan, an Indian Actor, you should definitely check out his movies
The people who really think they love watching movies, still didn't know about David Fincher's movies are literally new to the idea of 'love watching movie'
The fingerprint tech is Morgan Freeman’s son.
The director didn’t tell the cop who leaned over the sloth victim that he was still going to be a alive so when he gasped that was the actors genuine reaction.
Anyone can preach kindness and forgiveness when they see tragedy. It's when tragedy strikes them that suddely they thirst for justice and vengance.
You might enjoy some other Morgan Freeman movies / playing a detective. “Kiss the Girls”, “Along Came a Spider”.
You guys need to do a “killing them softly” movie reaction, super slept on brad Pitt movie
Insanely underrated film.
The anxiety I always feel when Somerset is left alone with that box... the silence... it's too much almost lol
37:52 How do you train for your wife to potentially have her head chopped off? 😂
The yelling fire thing makes sense. Yelling for help requires people to risk potentially endangering themselves for an unidentified purpose. But fire is a communal threat people immediately understand.
(Otoh, I’d imagine if people run to look for a fire a victim might lose more time trying to communicate because people who come would be expecting a different threat? 🤷🏻♂️)
You can't "train" for something like that!..Can't fault him for doing what he did, and I think most anyone else would have done the same.
The sloth victim dropped so much weight for the scene the director actually asked him to stop out of fear of health issues.
Great reacrion!! If you haven’t already… you need to see/react to “Fight Club” (David Fincher & Brad Pitt again)… plus “The Usual Suspects” and “American Beauty” (more great Kevin Spacey roles).
That was an amazing after reaction discussion. I really liked the talk about the news and how the news does tend to glorify violence. It's very sad that we are so obsessed with violence.
Pitt had a run of great 1990s flicks: therma and Louise, interview with the vampire,
Seven, legends of the fall, 12 monkeys, fight club, etc
The ending with the head in the box was rejected by the studio, the original script with it in it accidentally got through as they about to shoot...
Excellent job on the reaction video! I watch this film every October and what’s funny I won this movie basket at a catholic charity event. In the movie basket pop,popcorn, candy, message in a bottle and Se7en.
It's so unsettling, because you (in a way) can't argue with Doe's logic (things he's saying in the car). You say to yourself, "I'm not like him AT ALL!!"
The sloth one was so f'ed up. To be tied to a bed for a year, then killed for "sloth", because you never got out of bed for a year? 🤣
Nobody ever stays for the end-credits to roll for S7even 😢
David Bowie's 'Heart's Filthy Lesson' hits like a cold shower right after a hot one. Leaves you with an existential crisis like none other.
First time I saw this movie, the end credits just pushed me further into depression......fuxxk I was a mess 😂
Thinking of the story in the traditional "villain is the mirror reflection of the hero(s)" you can understand how the three characters are opposites but also the same (think of apathy vs. action in the horrible city in this movie), control vs. impulsiveness, etc. The moral argument is summed up in the car ride, especially between Somerset and Doe.
Nothing is better than watching other people experience this movie and this twist for the first time. A brilliant reaction from the ladies.
No jury on earth would convict him. The definition of "temporary loss of sanity".
Fun fact; I work regularly with fingerprints using literally the most advanced fingerprint recognition system ever made. Three days to get a match is an absolute result, especially in a city
Saw this the night it opened in Ames, Iowa while attending Iowa State. The traumatized sorority girls slowly walking out who were there to see Brad Pitt and got realistic horror were quite a sight.
Imagine watching this movie on a date and trying to figure out a way to make "so, do you want to come back to my place?," work after that ending.
There’s an alternate ending from the dvd that’s here on UA-cam. It’s only in sketches like story board. Sommerset shoots John Doe first so he doesn’t win
I don't think many people mention it, but the acting by Leland Orser, the Lust guy, was one of the best performances in the film. Shows regret and fear simultaneously.
Since Se7en, I think he was stamped as a talented "freak out" supporting actor which could explain why he was chosen to play in Alien: Resurrection two years later.
In his famous "What's inside me?" scene, he made a similar performance, showing fear and confusion at the same time.
Some quick foreshadowing with the "Delivery Van"- the company's logo is a "box with wings." "Wings" in delivery services usually represent Mercury's wings however they are drawn as "Angel wings." The box is the same perfectly square box as the box with Tracy's head. The symbolism being Tracy has already gone to Heaven.
That seems to be a stretch . . .
Pitt was asked in an interview what people typically say or yell out to him, "What's in the box!?" Gwyneth wore a box on her head with "FRAGILE" on it for Halloween.
Lol if you thought was intense, imagine watching on a big screen in a theatre…I remember when the lights came up, most folks were still in their seats…just trying to absorb what they had seen.
Yes.....
People didn't get right up but just sat in their seats for a minute or two, mouths open, in shock...
I dunno which reaction i like the most , the moment sloth is alive or when folk realize what's in the box.
I do not know how many times I have watched this movie plus watched reactors watch it and only just now with you did I notice that when Morgan was listing off the 7 sins at 6:43 he says "envy" when turning to Brad and handing him the photos. Woah.
Bravo! This was a very genuine and introspective review. Both of your reactions appeared so visceral and organic. Nice to see the female overview of an Iconic movie. Kudos.
I watched it in the cinema when it came out, in a movie theatre it’s even more intense and shocking. Amazing movie!
We must remember, that, Morgan Freeman is one of the most praised actors in the world. I grew up watching him in the mid to late 70s, on PBS, as EASY READER, on ELECTRIC COMPANY!!!
Lol I always hate it when the ppl watching guess what's in the box before it happens
One of my favorite films. Very emotional and thrilling script with superb performances and outstanding directing
I think that Kevin Spacey, Anthony Hopkins, and Jack Nicholson are my three favorite actors to portray the psychopathic character in movies.
I agree but don`t forget Christopher Walken in "A View to a Kill" and "At Close Range". Pretty damn good.
Fun Fact: It doesn't occur to most people that John Doe only killed one person throughout the film.
Gluttony - Man eats himself to death.
Greed - Rich attorney forced to cut off a pound of flesh.
Sloth - Emaciated man tied to a bed.
Lust - Prostitute killed by a man using a bladed S&M device.
Pride - Model kills herself rather than live with disfigured face.
Envy - John Doe is Envy, having stalked and killed Mills' wife because he couldn't have their "normal" life.
Wrath - Mills becomes Wrath by killing John Doe
Clever. I never thought of that.
Didn't he kick the gluttony victim after force feeding him?
Nah, to me that's just flat-out incorrect. I see where you're coming from, but holding a gun to somebody's head and threatening them with murder as a means to force them to eat themselves to death, or cut off a pound of their flesh, or wear a bladed strapon, as well as strapping a man to a bed for a year, none of those are any better than shooting them in the head then and there and the fact that he didn't directly murder them on the spot would not hold up in court in the slightest. It's very much like a Jigsaw/John Kramer situation. Where the killer "didn't kill anybody themselves," rather the trap (or in this case, the action) is what killed them. But the deaths could not and would not have happened without John Doe, or without John Kramer. The blood is still on their hands, and every victim in this movie, I sincerely believe, would be credited as murder/manslaughter aside from Wrath. Even Pride would still be treated as an act of manslaughter IMO because the model would not have committed suicide if John Doe had never disfigured her face. Cause and effect, it's still his doing no matter how you look at it.
Technically yes, but by law that's abetment to suicide and still a crime
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Bingo!
I remember I watched this movie at 3 in the morning. I don't know why I was so god damn scared even though it is not a horror movie but the story really scared me!!!
We did have that lamp. I don't know why it was popular. I had one because it reminded me of my college days. The library I regularly studied at had these and combined with the smell of oak and old books has always relaxed me. My brother broke my lamp and I haven't bothered to replace it. I may if I ever get my library.
The dark green lamp shade keeps the light coming off it focus on the desk rather than lighting up the room. It's much easier on the eyes when you spend hours on end doing paper work having a regular lamp or on ceiling lights would give you a headache after a few hours. Plus they also look pretty cool.
Good observation about John Doe thinking "what he's doing is right:" When it comes to good screenwritng/storytelling, the villain and the hero are aligned in their goal. Mills and Sommerset want to clean the streets up and take out the "bad guys" and John Doe wants the same thing. They just go about it in different ways (to put it mildly.)
The green bankers desk lamps story goes back to 1909. At this time American engineer Harrison D. McFaddin filed a patent application for “a new, original and ornamental design for lamp shades”. Later the same year, the first lamp rolled out of production. (from Google)
It's funny that the helicopters code name is California, because a few years prior to this Brad Pitt made a film called Kalifornia where he plays a serial killer. I wonder if that's why they called it that.
Literally one of the best climaxes in film.
Fun facts time...Denzel Washington was offered this film and turned it down because he thought it was too dark.He later did a serial killer film called Fallen.There was an alternative ending that wasnt filmed which showed Somerset shooting John Doe and thus,he dosent complete his mission.There was a sequel in development and sequel envolved Somerset and the producers were going to adapt the fim script Suspect Zero into the sequel.
One of the only films I can think of the bad guy wins in the end and there is ZERO happy ending. This is a crime/thriller masterpiece that will never be usurped of its crown. Andrew Kevin Walker has never even come close to writing anything as provocative as this. I am hoping that 'The Killer', reuniting Fincher and Walker will do it!!
1995 👉 Casino / Seven / Heat / 12 monkeys… not bad for a single year
Fincher also did Panic Room with Jodie Foster, one of my favorites
Se7en is one of the greatest films ever made!! I love it so damn much!!
I saw this film in the theater when it was released and found it so disturbing and haunting, I didn’t sleep well for several weeks. Just couldn’t get it out of my head. It was fascinating and creepy that someone thought this storyline up.
The green "library/banker " lamps have been a thing for 100 years.
5:05 and the movie placement worked because of seen them so many times in settings like this that i bought one for my home desk back then. (I already had a working lamp too.)
David fincher also directed the amazing fight club!!
At 0:30 Cinepal says, "we're watching a Brad Pitt today". SEVEN is not a Brad Pitt movie. He didn't write the 127-page screenplay, and he didn't convert those 127 pages into images (director David Fincher did). The words Pitt says in the movie are not his words. Those are lines of the screenplay written by Andrew Kevin Walker. Are the Cinepals stupid? 🤔
Don't forget "The Game". Also Fincher.
Re: The ‘homophobic’ dialogue (36:39)
First of all, they’re just words. The use of one word or another isn’t necessarily indicative of a belief. Though they’re use didn’t ruin the reactors’ overall enjoyment, it obviously bothered her enough to comment on it. If we can, let’s stop, even mildly, getting triggered by words.
Secondly, those words are still used today. They’ve just been more-or-less banned across mainstream media, & in turn sanitizing the content, making it less attractive-generally speaking-to many consumers. Perhaps it’s not a coincidence that the amount of quality movies annually has declined since 1996.
Thirdly, Mills is supposed to be brash, abrasive, crude, (i.e. uses bad words). If you listen to the Fincher/Pitt commentary for ‘Seven’, they discuss that about Pitt’s character at length. That said, he’s also one of the best husbands a character can be. He loved his wife *unconditionally*…but he’s homophobic. I guess one’s more important than the other.
Lastly, no-not every straight male character in the ‘90s used ‘homophobic language’. Absolutely absurd. Even accounting for hyperbole, that’s a ridiculous thing to say. It just goes to show how crippling a single word can be, but fret not-straight men are able to be falsely generalized. Tap dancing around them isn’t necessary.
All-in-all, I didn’t mind the reaction. Aside from above (& quite frankly, some very mild reactions to some pretty heinous acts, IMO), I enjoyed the video. Just consider what I wrote above as genuine criticism about what I saw/heard. Ty.
(& quite frankly, some very mild reactions to some pretty heinous acts, IMO) --- just goes to show, John Doe's rationalization speech in the car near the end wasn't wrong ;)
Bruh, don't bother telling anything to them, they're radical af, especially the left one. You can show her literally anything & she'll figure out a way to insert her ideological bs in that somehow, no matter how unrelated or random it would be.
@@stephenzepp6536Word. I honestly can’t believe how little of a reaction the young lady on the right had to the Lust murder. She barely flinched.
Also, her first thought after Mills killed Jon Doe was, “Now you’re going to jail.” Like, do you think he really gives a shít? His wife’s head is in a f’ing box!
These people are either so desensitized to the worst crimes imaginable, or are too stupid to even comprehend the heinous nature of all these acts. Either way, it’s sad.
14:20 I haven’t heard the word “dank” in years thanks for the reminder imma start using it again lmao
Great reaction and a very interesting discussion between you two about the subject of bringing certain news for the clicks, if it bleeds it leads is disturbing to hear in news consumption. Looking forward to your next reaction together!